comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 7 hours, 23 minutes ago
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
Given how much you pine for him I’m not sure you really believe that.
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You are more fond of Robb than I will ever be.
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I don't think he's gone away anyway. He will no doubt have changed his username.

Must be gutted about Poch too. Losing at home to Monaco and now 4 PTS off top spot. Already lost to a team near the bottom too.

Arab owned on his own thread, having a mental breakdown and resorting to mum, sister and brother jokes....

if carlsberg did articles

I've never used the word "melt" before... But feel like it is a perfect description for Arab.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
Pull the other one, VC. Rob’s that itch you can’t scratch.
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Not really. This site is much better off without him.
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The league table doesn’t lie, we’re 2nd because we have got the results to put us there.

We have problems, most notably with the keeper and centre backs. Conceding early, sloppy goals all the time is always going to have an impact on performances.

Could be worse though. Look at Arsenal, Spurs and Liverpool

One matchplum was said the best team lost yesterday

Some of our fans are clearly addicted to misery.

we need an ongoing match thread for normal people

comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 14 minutes ago
we need an ongoing match thread for normal people
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They think we are the idiots though. They construct fantasies in their head like "You'd be happy if we got relegated as long as Ole was in charge".


This ability to create your own reality is really, really focking odd. If we were even close to relegation, most everyone here would be up in arms and have the axe out.

comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - A Beekers Dozen (U2958)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 14 minutes ago
we need an ongoing match thread for normal people
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They think we are the idiots though. They construct fantasies in their head like "You'd be happy if we got relegated as long as Ole was in charge".


This ability to create your own reality is really, really focking odd. If we were even close to relegation, most everyone here would be up in arms and have the axe out.
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We did have a relegation 6 pointer last season 2 months in. So they may be correct

Careful or you’ll be accused of being “top reds”

Man Utd scored the most goals and had the most shots on target. Even have a chance of breaking the goal record and shots on target record this season and that is with misfiring forwards.

Martial and Greenwood 2 of our best players after lockdown have barely done anything of note this season. Rashford continues to miss big chances in games that matter.

Also our goalkeeper is having his worst season at the club. If anything we most likely would be 1st if we had better goalkeeper and luck in front of goal. We conceded some ridiculous goals. We should have 12 more points but some ridiculous bad luck. Liverpool Leicester Arsenal away we missed big chances and deserved to win all of them but got only 3 points. West Brom away cleared off the line and West Brom scored an illegal goal. That is 8 points more we deserved in away games. The home games against Sheffield United and Everton. Sheffield United scored an illegal goal and we scored a legal goal but the ones that stood were the opposite. 3 more points there and the Everton game Rashford had 2 big chances 1 which was a near open goal to finish the game.

I make that 13 ridiculous points we dropped that we should have easily won. Also the Everton game where did 4 minutes come from when in the game against Southampton they only added 3 which had a lot more stoppages. They even played a minute extra for Everton to score.

Just shows you how important small margins are. Man City have been getting a lot of luck while we have been having a lot of bad luck. City grinded a lot of tight wins while we played much better than Man City in the tighter games but dropped points.

Also Arteta must be the most clueless manager in the league. How many games do Arsenal have expected goals of 0. Something. Never seen an Arsenal side so uncreative before. I feel sorry for Auba, he is playing in the most negative Arsenal side in the premierleague era.

We could actually do with someone like Aubameyang as he won’t bottle the big moments like our players do.

comment by Geoff Tipps (U1449)
posted 25 minutes ago
Careful or you’ll be accused of being “top reds”
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It's a tag i can live with ... Imagine thinking that supporting the manager and team is something to be derided!

comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 39 minutes ago
Man Utd scored the most goals and had the most shots on target. Even have a chance of breaking the goal record and shots on target record this season and that is with misfiring forwards.

Martial and Greenwood 2 of our best players after lockdown have barely done anything of note this season. Rashford continues to miss big chances in games that matter.

Also our goalkeeper is having his worst season at the club. If anything we most likely would be 1st if we had better goalkeeper and luck in front of goal. We conceded some ridiculous goals. We should have 12 more points but some ridiculous bad luck. Liverpool Leicester Arsenal away we missed big chances and deserved to win all of them but got only 3 points. West Brom away cleared off the line and West Brom scored an illegal goal. That is 8 points more we deserved in away games. The home games against Sheffield United and Everton. Sheffield United scored an illegal goal and we scored a legal goal but the ones that stood were the opposite. 3 more points there and the Everton game Rashford had 2 big chances 1 which was a near open goal to finish the game.

I make that 13 ridiculous points we dropped that we should have easily won. Also the Everton game where did 4 minutes come from when in the game against Southampton they only added 3 which had a lot more stoppages. They even played a minute extra for Everton to score.

Just shows you how important small margins are. Man City have been getting a lot of luck while we have been having a lot of bad luck. City grinded a lot of tight wins while we played much better than Man City in the tighter games but dropped points.

Also Arteta must be the most clueless manager in the league. How many games do Arsenal have expected goals of 0. Something. Never seen an Arsenal side so uncreative before. I feel sorry for Auba, he is playing in the most negative Arsenal side in the premierleague era.

We could actually do with someone like Aubameyang as he won’t bottle the big moments like our players do.
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'kinell, Hafi;s having a lucid episode

They construct fantasies in their head like "You'd be happy if we got relegated as long as Ole was in charge".

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It is the Trump supporter persona. This type of person is ripe for being conned.

16 1 stars too.... clearly youre not the only one that thinks Arab is a melt Ji

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
They construct fantasies in their head like "You'd be happy if we got relegated as long as Ole was in charge".

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It is the Trump supporter persona. This type of person is ripe for being conned.
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They've been targeted by a classic disinformation campaign; "designed to sow doubt (rather than convince of a single explanation), pushes multiple (even conflicting) narratives, functions to undermine democracy."

Poor buggers don't know whether they're coming or going.

comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 11 hours, 15 minutes ago
don’t get all the players back behind the half way line and hope for the opposition to give it back to us.

Probably because most of our players cannot defend for toffee and there’s no structure to defend off the ball either. We have absolutely no idea how to offer any protection to a calamitous back four.
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Well, that’s simplistic, at best.

We use the situational high press when we have the opportunity to win the ball back in the opposition’s defensive third, which is led brilliantly by Bruno, uses a closest-man approach and has delivered for us in terms of zonal possession and global possession, as well as in keeping teams under pressure for longer sustained periods.

This is a large part of the reason why under Ole we’ve significantly increased our number of ball recoveries in the opposition half despite not using a high block, and why we’ve significantly decreased the amount of time the opposition keeps the ball when they win it back.

It’s also best use of our out of possession energy consumption in terms of cost-benefit.

We haven’t always done it well. In fact, we’ve sometimes done it very badly (as with other new tactical tools, like playing out from the back with the draw-in and quick transition approach), but the signs are that we are steadily improving. We’re recognising the better opportunities to do it and when we should drop in better, and we’re executing it better in terms of coordination.

As far as defending when we do drop in goes, yeah, there are a bunch of problems there, from the midfield shield giving away too many freekicks, to failure to track runners (usually I reckon from conflict with zonal responsibilities), to insufficient cover being provided by the wing forwards (which has been a massive issue), to the fullbacks starting too narrow, to individual weaknesses.

But there’s very obviously a structure there. It’s pretty consistent and pretty facking rigid. You could take stills game to game and not know which one you were looking at. There are, of course, problems with adherence to the shape, player movement and behaviour, but the idea that there’s no plan or instructions is wrong.

comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - A Beekers Dozen (U2958)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by Geoff Tipps (U1449)
posted 25 minutes ago
Careful or you’ll be accused of being “top reds”
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It's a tag i can live with... Imagine thinking that supporting the manager and team is something to be derided!
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It's not just that - We're doing alright, we're second, smashed our Europa tie and are still in the FA Cup. It's one thing to be #OleOut when we're 7th and losing, but that aint us this season.

That's not to say that there aren't things that should be improved - for example the fact that we're in Europa after some poor CL performances, and the recent poor run of form. I think even Ole's most ardent supporters can see that there is certainly room for improvement, in performances, subs, etc.

I think that's where the big difference is, the Ole Outers don't seem to be able to acknowledge things that are going/have gone well and just wait for bad games to be able to say that the PE teacher should be sacked. As well as this, inherent bias basically means both sides are watching through one set of tinted glasses or another - to the point I saw some people still criticising him during the 9-0. For some, he'll never be enough. The kind of people who, if they'd been alive back then, would have had Fergie out after the first season.

So far, Ole has been fairly decent tactically, especially in the big games. His signings have been decent - top quality. Jury still out on Donny admittedly, and James seems to be doing better now than most of last season.

Rambling a bit now though.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 7 minutes ago
They construct fantasies in their head like "You'd be happy if we got relegated as long as Ole was in charge".

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It is the Trump supporter persona. This type of person is ripe for being conned.
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And the other side construct their own fantasies like 'you're unhappy we won' when the point being made is about performance not results.

comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 10 minutes ago
16 1 stars too.... clearly youre not the only one that thinks Arab is a melt Ji
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comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 7 minutes ago
They construct fantasies in their head like "You'd be happy if we got relegated as long as Ole was in charge".

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It is the Trump supporter persona. This type of person is ripe for being conned.
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And the other side construct their own fantasies like 'you're unhappy we won' when the point being made is about performance not results.
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There's no 'other side' , just United supporters. Some are happy with things, many would like things to keep on improving, some are very unhappy. A lot of this adversarial stuff is going on in your head.

And the other side construct their own fantasies like 'you're unhappy we won' when the point being made is about performance not results.

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There are quite a few posters who do come across as unhappy that we won. The OP is a classic example.

The performance wasn’t a great one and it wasn’t a bad one either.

What we had is what we have had most of the season. A mixture of good football and poor football with a hell of a lot of in between.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 8 seconds ago
And the other side construct their own fantasies like 'you're unhappy we won' when the point being made is about performance not results.

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There are quite a few posters who do come across as unhappy that we won. The OP is a classic example.

The performance wasn’t a great one and it wasn’t a bad one either.

What we had is what we have had most of the season. A mixture of good football and poor football with a hell of a lot of in between.
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In a nutshell

comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 7 minutes ago
They construct fantasies in their head like "You'd be happy if we got relegated as long as Ole was in charge".

......

It is the Trump supporter persona. This type of person is ripe for being conned.
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And the other side construct their own fantasies like 'you're unhappy we won' when the point being made is about performance not results.
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There's no 'other side', just United supporters. Some are happy with things, many would like things to keep on improving, some are very unhappy. A lot of this adversarial stuff is going on in your head.


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It's funny really, most accept our performances are frequently not up to standard yet will criticise anyone who actually says this.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
And the other side construct their own fantasies like 'you're unhappy we won' when the point being made is about performance not results.

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There are quite a few posters who do come across as unhappy that we won. The OP is a classic example.

The performance wasn’t a great one and it wasn’t a bad one either.

What we had is what we have had most of the season. A mixture of good football and poor football with a hell of a lot of in between.
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The problem is we fail to do a number of the basics, and I think this is where the frustration comes from.