comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 7 minutes ago
They construct fantasies in their head like "You'd be happy if we got relegated as long as Ole was in charge".
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It is the Trump supporter persona. This type of person is ripe for being conned.
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And the other side construct their own fantasies like 'you're unhappy we won' when the point being made is about performance not results.
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There's no 'other side', just United supporters. Some are happy with things, many would like things to keep on improving, some are very unhappy. A lot of this adversarial stuff is going on in your head.
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It's funny really, most accept our performances are frequently not up to standard yet will criticise anyone who actually says this.
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This board is a safe haven for the Ole worshippers, if they looked outside and expanded their brains they'd see millions of United fans echoing the same views. The football is absolute toilet for the money this manager has spent on the side.
But most of these people on here probably can't even use a mobile phone or even switch the tele on to see that. They'd rather be in their own little echo chamber of thought.
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 7 minutes ago
They construct fantasies in their head like "You'd be happy if we got relegated as long as Ole was in charge".
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It is the Trump supporter persona. This type of person is ripe for being conned.
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And the other side construct their own fantasies like 'you're unhappy we won' when the point being made is about performance not results.
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There's no 'other side', just United supporters. Some are happy with things, many would like things to keep on improving, some are very unhappy. A lot of this adversarial stuff is going on in your head.
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It's funny really, most accept our performances are frequently not up to standard yet will criticise anyone who actually says this.
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That’s just fundamentally untrue.
What people get fed up with - very clearly - is the lack of balance in people’s arguments, the ridiculous hyperbole, and the constant stream of unending negativity and bloody whingeing that comes with a refusal to see any positives in our game.
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 10 seconds ago
here he is
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comment by rosso - championing freedom of speech and freedom to refuse to listen since 2013 (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 7 minutes ago
They construct fantasies in their head like "You'd be happy if we got relegated as long as Ole was in charge".
......
It is the Trump supporter persona. This type of person is ripe for being conned.
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And the other side construct their own fantasies like 'you're unhappy we won' when the point being made is about performance not results.
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There's no 'other side', just United supporters. Some are happy with things, many would like things to keep on improving, some are very unhappy. A lot of this adversarial stuff is going on in your head.
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It's funny really, most accept our performances are frequently not up to standard yet will criticise anyone who actually says this.
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That’s just fundamentally untrue.
What people get fed up with - very clearly - is the lack of balance in people’s arguments, the ridiculous hyperbole, and the constant stream of unending negativity and bloody whingeing that comes with a refusal to see any positives in our game.
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Imagine whinging after a winπππ
comment by rosso - championing freedom of speech and freedom to refuse to listen since 2013 (U17054)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 7 minutes ago
They construct fantasies in their head like "You'd be happy if we got relegated as long as Ole was in charge".
......
It is the Trump supporter persona. This type of person is ripe for being conned.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And the other side construct their own fantasies like 'you're unhappy we won' when the point being made is about performance not results.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There's no 'other side', just United supporters. Some are happy with things, many would like things to keep on improving, some are very unhappy. A lot of this adversarial stuff is going on in your head.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's funny really, most accept our performances are frequently not up to standard yet will criticise anyone who actually says this.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That’s just fundamentally untrue.
What people get fed up with - very clearly - is the lack of balance in people’s arguments, the ridiculous hyperbole, and the constant stream of unending negativity and bloody whingeing that comes with a refusal to see any positives in our game.
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exactly this.
there are improvements to be made... quite a few
the build up is too slow
we make too many individual errors
the keeper is shaky
our finishing at times is poor
sometimes subs are made too late
sometimes the wrong players are picked
i think most backers of Ole would agree to this.
then you have people like Arab who can see absolutely no positives whatsoever and hasnt enjoyed a season in nearly 10 years.
Rosso I don't think it's ever worth debating with you about how good and bad a manager is. It's like Daz said a few pages back, you're one of the people that just want to give any manager the end of time to prove you right. You did it with Jose, Moyes and Van Gaal.
The issue with you and the sheep that follow you as well is that fans, who don't follow that thinking, think over 2 years into a managerial tenure is really not too much to ask a manager getting the players to pass the ball like actual footballers and construct different patterns of play instead of the constant predictable crap we have been subjected to for most of this season.
It's also worth highlighting this guy has spent £130m on two defenders so far and we've conceded more goals than 80% of the league.
The problem is we fail to do a number of the basics, and I think this is where the frustration comes from
......
It is one of my major gripes. Especially from a defensive viewpoint.
I often wonder what we work on in training. Saying that Ole has said we are not doing that much training as we are playing two games a week. Which does make sense.
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 2 seconds ago
Rosso I don't think it's ever worth debating with you about how good and bad a manager is. It's like Daz said a few pages back, you're one of the people that just want to give any manager the end of time to prove you right. You did it with Jose, Moyes and Van Gaal.
The issue with you and the sheep that follow you as well is that fans, who don't follow that thinking, think over 2 years into a managerial tenure is really not too much to ask a manager getting the players to pass the ball like actual footballers and construct different patterns of play instead of the constant predictable crap we have been subjected to for most of this season.
It's also worth highlighting this guy has spent £130m on two defenders so far and we've conceded more goals than 80% of the league.
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he has also spent peanuts on the front line... and has us as the top scorers in the league... where is the credit here for him?
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must... (U11713)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by rosso - championing freedom of speech and freedom to refuse to listen since 2013 (U17054)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 7 minutes ago
They construct fantasies in their head like "You'd be happy if we got relegated as long as Ole was in charge".
......
It is the Trump supporter persona. This type of person is ripe for being conned.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And the other side construct their own fantasies like 'you're unhappy we won' when the point being made is about performance not results.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There's no 'other side', just United supporters. Some are happy with things, many would like things to keep on improving, some are very unhappy. A lot of this adversarial stuff is going on in your head.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's funny really, most accept our performances are frequently not up to standard yet will criticise anyone who actually says this.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That’s just fundamentally untrue.
What people get fed up with - very clearly - is the lack of balance in people’s arguments, the ridiculous hyperbole, and the constant stream of unending negativity and bloody whingeing that comes with a refusal to see any positives in our game.
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exactly this.
there are improvements to be made... quite a few
the build up is too slow
we make too many individual errors
the keeper is shaky
our finishing at times is poor
sometimes subs are made too late
sometimes the wrong players are picked
i think most backers of Ole would agree to this.
then you have people like Arab who can see absolutely no positives whatsoever and hasnt enjoyed a season in nearly 10 years.
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The same exact issues that were highlighted under the other managers in charge and the same viewpoints that I'm giving now was given back then too that was allowed because the bloke doing these things didn't have historical links to the club.
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must... (U11713)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 2 seconds ago
Rosso I don't think it's ever worth debating with you about how good and bad a manager is. It's like Daz said a few pages back, you're one of the people that just want to give any manager the end of time to prove you right. You did it with Jose, Moyes and Van Gaal.
The issue with you and the sheep that follow you as well is that fans, who don't follow that thinking, think over 2 years into a managerial tenure is really not too much to ask a manager getting the players to pass the ball like actual footballers and construct different patterns of play instead of the constant predictable crap we have been subjected to for most of this season.
It's also worth highlighting this guy has spent £130m on two defenders so far and we've conceded more goals than 80% of the league.
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he has also spent peanuts on the front line... and has us as the top scorers in the league... where is the credit here for him?
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So we are top scorers in the league which shuts down any debate had about the fact our attacking play is absolutely awful then?
Martial, Mason and even Rashy have gone backwards this season and the manager has said that half a dozen times. Explain the reasoning for that. Bruno and Rashy, despite being absolutely average in performance, are the reason we've been the highest scorers. Not some fantasy that we're playing a slick style of football.
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must... (U11713)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by rosso - championing freedom of speech and freedom to refuse to listen since 2013 (U17054)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 7 minutes ago
They construct fantasies in their head like "You'd be happy if we got relegated as long as Ole was in charge".
......
It is the Trump supporter persona. This type of person is ripe for being conned.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And the other side construct their own fantasies like 'you're unhappy we won' when the point being made is about performance not results.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There's no 'other side', just United supporters. Some are happy with things, many would like things to keep on improving, some are very unhappy. A lot of this adversarial stuff is going on in your head.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's funny really, most accept our performances are frequently not up to standard yet will criticise anyone who actually says this.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That’s just fundamentally untrue.
What people get fed up with - very clearly - is the lack of balance in people’s arguments, the ridiculous hyperbole, and the constant stream of unending negativity and bloody whingeing that comes with a refusal to see any positives in our game.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
exactly this.
there are improvements to be made... quite a few
the build up is too slow
we make too many individual errors
the keeper is shaky
our finishing at times is poor
sometimes subs are made too late
sometimes the wrong players are picked
i think most backers of Ole would agree to this.
then you have people like Arab who can see absolutely no positives whatsoever and hasnt enjoyed a season in nearly 10 years.
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The same exact issues that were highlighted under the other managers in charge and the same viewpoints that I'm giving now was given back then too that was allowed because the bloke doing these things didn't have historical links to the club.
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its not just that simple arab.
jose's issues were far greater than performances on the pitch.
it was the fact eh was publicly slating the players and taking absolutely zero responsibility which was his ultimate downfall
We scored the least amount of goals amongst the top 5 last season and I'd have said our football style of play was more easier on the eye than it has been this season. That was 1 goal more than the 19-20 season as well.
jose's issues were far greater than performances on the pitch.
it was the fact eh was publicly slating the players and taking absolutely zero responsibility which was his ultimate downfall
I'm specifically talking about the 17-18 season, not his actions afterwards that led to his downfall.
The only thing I'll give Ole since he came in is that he's given us more freedom up front compared to Jose, our defending is still pants under him though just like it was under Jose and we still sit back after going a few goals up. And the tempo is still shiiit, just like Ole has said it has been after 95% of our games this season and he's shown absolutely nothing to rectify it.
But then again, not even Pep can get a midfield of Matic and Fred or McTominay to dictate the tempo of a football match.
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
And the other side construct their own fantasies like 'you're unhappy we won' when the point being made is about performance not results.
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There are quite a few posters who do come across as unhappy that we won. The OP is a classic example.
The performance wasn’t a great one and it wasn’t a bad one either.
What we had is what we have had most of the season. A mixture of good football and poor football with a hell of a lot of in between.
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The problem is we fail to do a number of the basics, and I think this is where the frustration comes from.
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There's a group that are hell bent on replacing Ole and spare no opportunity to say so. We even had someone on here calling for Allegri.
The United Way (if there is such a thing) was probably defined by Matt Busby, who said, in his own words, that he wanted to attack, to play young exciting talent (he said 'local boys', but that's a bit looser now), and most importantly entertain the crowd.
The Doc, Ron Atkinson and Fergie got it with different levels of success, Sexton, Van Gaal and Mourinho most certainly didn't, and people like Allegri would be a terrible fit for the club.
Ole's doing all the right things, but, like most keep saying, there are a few players not up to it. Nobody's convinced by the defense, and a great centre forward and right winger would make a difference. Just constantly bleating that we're rubbish and need to change the manager is probably why you get the reaction you do.
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 3 minutes ago
Rosso I don't think it's ever worth debating with you about how good and bad a manager is. It's like Daz said a few pages back, you're one of the people that just want to give any manager the end of time to prove you right. You did it with Jose, Moyes and Van Gaal.
The issue with you and the sheep that follow you as well is that fans, who don't follow that thinking, think over 2 years into a managerial tenure is really not too much to ask a manager getting the players to pass the ball like actual footballers and construct different patterns of play instead of the constant predictable crap we have been subjected to for most of this season.
It's also worth highlighting this guy has spent £130m on two defenders so far and we've conceded more goals than 80% of the league.
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Well, you’re factually wrong there.
I thought Mourinho thoroughly deserved his sacking, as there were no signs of medium to long term improvement in our situation by the time he went.
I also understood why the other two were sacked, although I didn’t agree with those decisions.
“...the end of time...” Again, just hyperbole Arab.
Next, I’m sure absolutely nobody at all follows me and people are very capable of forming their own opinions based on the balance of all the evidence and making their own minds up.
Your last paragraph is a perfect example of why people call out the ridiculous exaggeration:
We haven’t conceded more goals than 80% of the league. That’s another untruth. It isn’t even *close* to being true.
Make your argument, by all means. Nobody has a problem with that. But get it factually right, at the very facking least. Then you might get more people listening to and appreciating what you’re saying.
We are 2nd because we have the 2nd best set of results in the League.
We have improved our results since last season, I think we are like 14 points better off on this stage last season. City aside, the league is very competitive this season.
Yes some of our performances have been poor, but its a good quality to come back from behind and get results whilst playing poorly. Now its up to Ole to continue to improve performances and results.
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
Ole's doing all the right things, but, like most keep saying, there are a few players not up to it. Nobody's convinced by the defense, and a great centre forward and right winger would make a difference. Just constantly bleating that we're rubbish and need to change the manager is probably why you get the reaction you do.
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All the right things, really?
A number of things can be rectified without buying new players, like passing and tempo.
Some of you can't seem to separate between what a player brings to the team and what the coaches bring.
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 9 minutes ago
We scored the least amount of goals amongst the top 5 last season and I'd have said our football style of play was more easier on the eye than it has been this season. That was 1 goal more than the 19-20 season as well.
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WTF does last season have to do with anything. We have scored the most amongst the top five this season.
And you are still a miserable little pr!ck.
We haven’t conceded more goals than 80% of the league. That’s another untruth. It isn’t even *close* to being true.
Fair enough, I over exaggerated there. 9 teams currently have conceded more, with 2 teams on the same amount which includes one battling for fecking relegation.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 9 minutes ago
We scored the least amount of goals amongst the top 5 last season and I'd have said our football style of play was more easier on the eye than it has been this season. That was 1 goal more than the 19-20 season as well.
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WTF does last season have to do with anything. We have scored the most amongst the top five this season.
And you are still a miserable little pr!ck.
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Do shutup you old decrepit fart please, I'm talking to the people who can debate without resorting to petty insults.
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
Ole's doing all the right things, but, like most keep saying, there are a few players not up to it. Nobody's convinced by the defense, and a great centre forward and right winger would make a difference. Just constantly bleating that we're rubbish and need to change the manager is probably why you get the reaction you do.
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All the right things, really?
A number of things can be rectified without buying new players, like passing and tempo.
Some of you can't seem to separate between what a player brings to the team and what the coaches bring.
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Why have our defenders gone backwards this season as well? And why is the manager constantly picking the same players and keeper who are contributing to these severe mistakes?
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
Ole's doing all the right things, but, like most keep saying, there are a few players not up to it. Nobody's convinced by the defense, and a great centre forward and right winger would make a difference. Just constantly bleating that we're rubbish and need to change the manager is probably why you get the reaction you do.
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All the right things, really?
A number of things can be rectified without buying new players, like passing and tempo.
Some of you can't seem to separate between what a player brings to the team and what the coaches bring.
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You're being dogmatic again. Of course we can, and there have been some great performances, some poor ones and some in between (which VC has already said on here). You going to answer the point about just saying we're rubbish and calling for the manager's head being the reason you get the reaction you do?
I don't think we're awful and I don't think we're great.
On our day we can be a match for anyone but we don't consistently play well in a run of games (or even within games).
As people have said it's the basics that let us down. Things like the slow tempo at the start of matches, passes played behind a player moving forward which is a pet hate, a less than commanding keeper and the wrong combination at CB.
I'm not Ole Out at all but I also wouldn'y be too heartbroken if he were fired over the summer either (even if we do make top 4). As ever though with Ole IMO we're in a situation where things could go either way. We could sign a quick, strong CB who's available most games, a DM and a RW and suddenly be transformed into a more consistent unit or we could regress. I'm hoping it's the former under Ole and that once he does get the players he wants then perhaps the handbrake will well and truly come off.
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posted on 22/2/21
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 7 minutes ago
They construct fantasies in their head like "You'd be happy if we got relegated as long as Ole was in charge".
......
It is the Trump supporter persona. This type of person is ripe for being conned.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And the other side construct their own fantasies like 'you're unhappy we won' when the point being made is about performance not results.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There's no 'other side', just United supporters. Some are happy with things, many would like things to keep on improving, some are very unhappy. A lot of this adversarial stuff is going on in your head.
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It's funny really, most accept our performances are frequently not up to standard yet will criticise anyone who actually says this.
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This board is a safe haven for the Ole worshippers, if they looked outside and expanded their brains they'd see millions of United fans echoing the same views. The football is absolute toilet for the money this manager has spent on the side.
But most of these people on here probably can't even use a mobile phone or even switch the tele on to see that. They'd rather be in their own little echo chamber of thought.
posted on 22/2/21
here he is
posted on 22/2/21
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 7 minutes ago
They construct fantasies in their head like "You'd be happy if we got relegated as long as Ole was in charge".
......
It is the Trump supporter persona. This type of person is ripe for being conned.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And the other side construct their own fantasies like 'you're unhappy we won' when the point being made is about performance not results.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There's no 'other side', just United supporters. Some are happy with things, many would like things to keep on improving, some are very unhappy. A lot of this adversarial stuff is going on in your head.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's funny really, most accept our performances are frequently not up to standard yet will criticise anyone who actually says this.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That’s just fundamentally untrue.
What people get fed up with - very clearly - is the lack of balance in people’s arguments, the ridiculous hyperbole, and the constant stream of unending negativity and bloody whingeing that comes with a refusal to see any positives in our game.
posted on 22/2/21
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 10 seconds ago
here he is
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posted on 22/2/21
comment by rosso - championing freedom of speech and freedom to refuse to listen since 2013 (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 7 minutes ago
They construct fantasies in their head like "You'd be happy if we got relegated as long as Ole was in charge".
......
It is the Trump supporter persona. This type of person is ripe for being conned.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And the other side construct their own fantasies like 'you're unhappy we won' when the point being made is about performance not results.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There's no 'other side', just United supporters. Some are happy with things, many would like things to keep on improving, some are very unhappy. A lot of this adversarial stuff is going on in your head.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's funny really, most accept our performances are frequently not up to standard yet will criticise anyone who actually says this.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That’s just fundamentally untrue.
What people get fed up with - very clearly - is the lack of balance in people’s arguments, the ridiculous hyperbole, and the constant stream of unending negativity and bloody whingeing that comes with a refusal to see any positives in our game.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Imagine whinging after a winπππ
posted on 22/2/21
comment by rosso - championing freedom of speech and freedom to refuse to listen since 2013 (U17054)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 7 minutes ago
They construct fantasies in their head like "You'd be happy if we got relegated as long as Ole was in charge".
......
It is the Trump supporter persona. This type of person is ripe for being conned.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And the other side construct their own fantasies like 'you're unhappy we won' when the point being made is about performance not results.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There's no 'other side', just United supporters. Some are happy with things, many would like things to keep on improving, some are very unhappy. A lot of this adversarial stuff is going on in your head.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's funny really, most accept our performances are frequently not up to standard yet will criticise anyone who actually says this.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That’s just fundamentally untrue.
What people get fed up with - very clearly - is the lack of balance in people’s arguments, the ridiculous hyperbole, and the constant stream of unending negativity and bloody whingeing that comes with a refusal to see any positives in our game.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
exactly this.
there are improvements to be made... quite a few
the build up is too slow
we make too many individual errors
the keeper is shaky
our finishing at times is poor
sometimes subs are made too late
sometimes the wrong players are picked
i think most backers of Ole would agree to this.
then you have people like Arab who can see absolutely no positives whatsoever and hasnt enjoyed a season in nearly 10 years.
posted on 22/2/21
Rosso I don't think it's ever worth debating with you about how good and bad a manager is. It's like Daz said a few pages back, you're one of the people that just want to give any manager the end of time to prove you right. You did it with Jose, Moyes and Van Gaal.
The issue with you and the sheep that follow you as well is that fans, who don't follow that thinking, think over 2 years into a managerial tenure is really not too much to ask a manager getting the players to pass the ball like actual footballers and construct different patterns of play instead of the constant predictable crap we have been subjected to for most of this season.
It's also worth highlighting this guy has spent £130m on two defenders so far and we've conceded more goals than 80% of the league.
posted on 22/2/21
The problem is we fail to do a number of the basics, and I think this is where the frustration comes from
......
It is one of my major gripes. Especially from a defensive viewpoint.
I often wonder what we work on in training. Saying that Ole has said we are not doing that much training as we are playing two games a week. Which does make sense.
posted on 22/2/21
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 2 seconds ago
Rosso I don't think it's ever worth debating with you about how good and bad a manager is. It's like Daz said a few pages back, you're one of the people that just want to give any manager the end of time to prove you right. You did it with Jose, Moyes and Van Gaal.
The issue with you and the sheep that follow you as well is that fans, who don't follow that thinking, think over 2 years into a managerial tenure is really not too much to ask a manager getting the players to pass the ball like actual footballers and construct different patterns of play instead of the constant predictable crap we have been subjected to for most of this season.
It's also worth highlighting this guy has spent £130m on two defenders so far and we've conceded more goals than 80% of the league.
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he has also spent peanuts on the front line... and has us as the top scorers in the league... where is the credit here for him?
posted on 22/2/21
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must... (U11713)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by rosso - championing freedom of speech and freedom to refuse to listen since 2013 (U17054)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 7 minutes ago
They construct fantasies in their head like "You'd be happy if we got relegated as long as Ole was in charge".
......
It is the Trump supporter persona. This type of person is ripe for being conned.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And the other side construct their own fantasies like 'you're unhappy we won' when the point being made is about performance not results.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There's no 'other side', just United supporters. Some are happy with things, many would like things to keep on improving, some are very unhappy. A lot of this adversarial stuff is going on in your head.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's funny really, most accept our performances are frequently not up to standard yet will criticise anyone who actually says this.
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That’s just fundamentally untrue.
What people get fed up with - very clearly - is the lack of balance in people’s arguments, the ridiculous hyperbole, and the constant stream of unending negativity and bloody whingeing that comes with a refusal to see any positives in our game.
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exactly this.
there are improvements to be made... quite a few
the build up is too slow
we make too many individual errors
the keeper is shaky
our finishing at times is poor
sometimes subs are made too late
sometimes the wrong players are picked
i think most backers of Ole would agree to this.
then you have people like Arab who can see absolutely no positives whatsoever and hasnt enjoyed a season in nearly 10 years.
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The same exact issues that were highlighted under the other managers in charge and the same viewpoints that I'm giving now was given back then too that was allowed because the bloke doing these things didn't have historical links to the club.
posted on 22/2/21
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must... (U11713)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 2 seconds ago
Rosso I don't think it's ever worth debating with you about how good and bad a manager is. It's like Daz said a few pages back, you're one of the people that just want to give any manager the end of time to prove you right. You did it with Jose, Moyes and Van Gaal.
The issue with you and the sheep that follow you as well is that fans, who don't follow that thinking, think over 2 years into a managerial tenure is really not too much to ask a manager getting the players to pass the ball like actual footballers and construct different patterns of play instead of the constant predictable crap we have been subjected to for most of this season.
It's also worth highlighting this guy has spent £130m on two defenders so far and we've conceded more goals than 80% of the league.
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he has also spent peanuts on the front line... and has us as the top scorers in the league... where is the credit here for him?
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So we are top scorers in the league which shuts down any debate had about the fact our attacking play is absolutely awful then?
Martial, Mason and even Rashy have gone backwards this season and the manager has said that half a dozen times. Explain the reasoning for that. Bruno and Rashy, despite being absolutely average in performance, are the reason we've been the highest scorers. Not some fantasy that we're playing a slick style of football.
posted on 22/2/21
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must... (U11713)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by rosso - championing freedom of speech and freedom to refuse to listen since 2013 (U17054)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 7 minutes ago
They construct fantasies in their head like "You'd be happy if we got relegated as long as Ole was in charge".
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It is the Trump supporter persona. This type of person is ripe for being conned.
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And the other side construct their own fantasies like 'you're unhappy we won' when the point being made is about performance not results.
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There's no 'other side', just United supporters. Some are happy with things, many would like things to keep on improving, some are very unhappy. A lot of this adversarial stuff is going on in your head.
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It's funny really, most accept our performances are frequently not up to standard yet will criticise anyone who actually says this.
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That’s just fundamentally untrue.
What people get fed up with - very clearly - is the lack of balance in people’s arguments, the ridiculous hyperbole, and the constant stream of unending negativity and bloody whingeing that comes with a refusal to see any positives in our game.
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exactly this.
there are improvements to be made... quite a few
the build up is too slow
we make too many individual errors
the keeper is shaky
our finishing at times is poor
sometimes subs are made too late
sometimes the wrong players are picked
i think most backers of Ole would agree to this.
then you have people like Arab who can see absolutely no positives whatsoever and hasnt enjoyed a season in nearly 10 years.
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The same exact issues that were highlighted under the other managers in charge and the same viewpoints that I'm giving now was given back then too that was allowed because the bloke doing these things didn't have historical links to the club.
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its not just that simple arab.
jose's issues were far greater than performances on the pitch.
it was the fact eh was publicly slating the players and taking absolutely zero responsibility which was his ultimate downfall
posted on 22/2/21
We scored the least amount of goals amongst the top 5 last season and I'd have said our football style of play was more easier on the eye than it has been this season. That was 1 goal more than the 19-20 season as well.
posted on 22/2/21
jose's issues were far greater than performances on the pitch.
it was the fact eh was publicly slating the players and taking absolutely zero responsibility which was his ultimate downfall
I'm specifically talking about the 17-18 season, not his actions afterwards that led to his downfall.
The only thing I'll give Ole since he came in is that he's given us more freedom up front compared to Jose, our defending is still pants under him though just like it was under Jose and we still sit back after going a few goals up. And the tempo is still shiiit, just like Ole has said it has been after 95% of our games this season and he's shown absolutely nothing to rectify it.
posted on 22/2/21
But then again, not even Pep can get a midfield of Matic and Fred or McTominay to dictate the tempo of a football match.
posted on 22/2/21
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
And the other side construct their own fantasies like 'you're unhappy we won' when the point being made is about performance not results.
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There are quite a few posters who do come across as unhappy that we won. The OP is a classic example.
The performance wasn’t a great one and it wasn’t a bad one either.
What we had is what we have had most of the season. A mixture of good football and poor football with a hell of a lot of in between.
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The problem is we fail to do a number of the basics, and I think this is where the frustration comes from.
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There's a group that are hell bent on replacing Ole and spare no opportunity to say so. We even had someone on here calling for Allegri.
The United Way (if there is such a thing) was probably defined by Matt Busby, who said, in his own words, that he wanted to attack, to play young exciting talent (he said 'local boys', but that's a bit looser now), and most importantly entertain the crowd.
The Doc, Ron Atkinson and Fergie got it with different levels of success, Sexton, Van Gaal and Mourinho most certainly didn't, and people like Allegri would be a terrible fit for the club.
Ole's doing all the right things, but, like most keep saying, there are a few players not up to it. Nobody's convinced by the defense, and a great centre forward and right winger would make a difference. Just constantly bleating that we're rubbish and need to change the manager is probably why you get the reaction you do.
posted on 22/2/21
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 3 minutes ago
Rosso I don't think it's ever worth debating with you about how good and bad a manager is. It's like Daz said a few pages back, you're one of the people that just want to give any manager the end of time to prove you right. You did it with Jose, Moyes and Van Gaal.
The issue with you and the sheep that follow you as well is that fans, who don't follow that thinking, think over 2 years into a managerial tenure is really not too much to ask a manager getting the players to pass the ball like actual footballers and construct different patterns of play instead of the constant predictable crap we have been subjected to for most of this season.
It's also worth highlighting this guy has spent £130m on two defenders so far and we've conceded more goals than 80% of the league.
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Well, you’re factually wrong there.
I thought Mourinho thoroughly deserved his sacking, as there were no signs of medium to long term improvement in our situation by the time he went.
I also understood why the other two were sacked, although I didn’t agree with those decisions.
“...the end of time...” Again, just hyperbole Arab.
Next, I’m sure absolutely nobody at all follows me and people are very capable of forming their own opinions based on the balance of all the evidence and making their own minds up.
Your last paragraph is a perfect example of why people call out the ridiculous exaggeration:
We haven’t conceded more goals than 80% of the league. That’s another untruth. It isn’t even *close* to being true.
Make your argument, by all means. Nobody has a problem with that. But get it factually right, at the very facking least. Then you might get more people listening to and appreciating what you’re saying.
posted on 22/2/21
We are 2nd because we have the 2nd best set of results in the League.
We have improved our results since last season, I think we are like 14 points better off on this stage last season. City aside, the league is very competitive this season.
Yes some of our performances have been poor, but its a good quality to come back from behind and get results whilst playing poorly. Now its up to Ole to continue to improve performances and results.
posted on 22/2/21
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
Ole's doing all the right things, but, like most keep saying, there are a few players not up to it. Nobody's convinced by the defense, and a great centre forward and right winger would make a difference. Just constantly bleating that we're rubbish and need to change the manager is probably why you get the reaction you do.
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All the right things, really?
A number of things can be rectified without buying new players, like passing and tempo.
Some of you can't seem to separate between what a player brings to the team and what the coaches bring.
posted on 22/2/21
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 9 minutes ago
We scored the least amount of goals amongst the top 5 last season and I'd have said our football style of play was more easier on the eye than it has been this season. That was 1 goal more than the 19-20 season as well.
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WTF does last season have to do with anything. We have scored the most amongst the top five this season.
And you are still a miserable little pr!ck.
posted on 22/2/21
We haven’t conceded more goals than 80% of the league. That’s another untruth. It isn’t even *close* to being true.
Fair enough, I over exaggerated there. 9 teams currently have conceded more, with 2 teams on the same amount which includes one battling for fecking relegation.
posted on 22/2/21
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 9 minutes ago
We scored the least amount of goals amongst the top 5 last season and I'd have said our football style of play was more easier on the eye than it has been this season. That was 1 goal more than the 19-20 season as well.
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WTF does last season have to do with anything. We have scored the most amongst the top five this season.
And you are still a miserable little pr!ck.
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Do shutup you old decrepit fart please, I'm talking to the people who can debate without resorting to petty insults.
posted on 22/2/21
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
Ole's doing all the right things, but, like most keep saying, there are a few players not up to it. Nobody's convinced by the defense, and a great centre forward and right winger would make a difference. Just constantly bleating that we're rubbish and need to change the manager is probably why you get the reaction you do.
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All the right things, really?
A number of things can be rectified without buying new players, like passing and tempo.
Some of you can't seem to separate between what a player brings to the team and what the coaches bring.
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Why have our defenders gone backwards this season as well? And why is the manager constantly picking the same players and keeper who are contributing to these severe mistakes?
posted on 22/2/21
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. 20times, 20legend (U1270)
Ole's doing all the right things, but, like most keep saying, there are a few players not up to it. Nobody's convinced by the defense, and a great centre forward and right winger would make a difference. Just constantly bleating that we're rubbish and need to change the manager is probably why you get the reaction you do.
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All the right things, really?
A number of things can be rectified without buying new players, like passing and tempo.
Some of you can't seem to separate between what a player brings to the team and what the coaches bring.
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You're being dogmatic again. Of course we can, and there have been some great performances, some poor ones and some in between (which VC has already said on here). You going to answer the point about just saying we're rubbish and calling for the manager's head being the reason you get the reaction you do?
posted on 22/2/21
I don't think we're awful and I don't think we're great.
On our day we can be a match for anyone but we don't consistently play well in a run of games (or even within games).
As people have said it's the basics that let us down. Things like the slow tempo at the start of matches, passes played behind a player moving forward which is a pet hate, a less than commanding keeper and the wrong combination at CB.
I'm not Ole Out at all but I also wouldn'y be too heartbroken if he were fired over the summer either (even if we do make top 4). As ever though with Ole IMO we're in a situation where things could go either way. We could sign a quick, strong CB who's available most games, a DM and a RW and suddenly be transformed into a more consistent unit or we could regress. I'm hoping it's the former under Ole and that once he does get the players he wants then perhaps the handbrake will well and truly come off.
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