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comment by Phenom (U20037)

posted on 22/3/21

Personally I am backing the manager and think that he is the right person for the rebuild.

the majority back the manager and as long as spurs are doing well we are happy.

issue is for me Jose traditionally is not the man for a 'rebuild'.

comment by Cloggy (U1250)

posted on 22/3/21

If you had given the money to poch that you gave to mourinho right after sacking poch you'd have been in a better position now

posted on 22/3/21

we have the basis of a very good squad, as you say Mourinho had (for spurs) a very good window in the summer, spending that amount doesnt happen every window at Spurs, so he will never be able to sign all the players he wants
Ultimately totally the wrong manager for Spurs, Levy had a mare when he hired him

posted on 22/3/21

Joses is dealing with a squad of players who are a long way from what they were (Dele) or were never good enough in the first place (Sanchez). I know lots of folk on here make it their lifes work to have a go at the bloke but with our overpaid group of lazy cowards he is constantly trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear.

posted on 22/3/21

issue is for me Jose traditionally is not the man for a 'rebuild'.
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good point

For me, the issue is that Jose joined in a fanfare of he will fix the weak mentality the players have, and yet we caved in against Belgrade, and in the league against Leicester.

When is Jose going to work on player's mental strength?

posted on 22/3/21

Jose was the wrong choice IMO but since he's there already he should get money for transfers and at least another season IMO.

posted on 22/3/21

I want Jose out because the results and performances over the season have been terrible. We are regressing under him even after he was well backed in the transfer window.

The football has been some of the most cowardly and negative I've ever seen at spurs.

He's a short term manager and after the best part of 18 months he has not improved anything.

Sack him at the end of the season and let a progressive manager take over our talented squad.

posted on 22/3/21

OP

I shall back Jose of course, but football is a results based business, and at the end of the day if Jose doesn`t get the required results, he will be gone, same as any other manager. Difference with me though is I will accept the decision if he does get sacked, and not keeping grizzling about it 18 months after he has departed.

What I don`t get though is the hostile reaction from lots of supporters the moment he walked through the door. From Day 1, lots on this board have been hoping he fails. That is just not on. And it seems every time Spurs lose a couple of games in a row, the knives come out big time.

The whole squad needs rebuilding, that much is 100 per cent certain.

posted on 22/3/21

This is a terrible article. Fans don't want him out for the points you listed and you seem like nothing but a WUM with this article. He is simply not a good manager anymore, especially for our club. Terrible football, shocking tatics, awful mentality and ultimately a very poor record stats wise.

One win against villa (and other fodder - fulham, palace, burnley) and he it the messiah again. What a joker

posted on 22/3/21

comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. (U7905)
posted 8 minutes ago
I want Jose out because the results and performances over the season have been terrible. We are regressing under him even after he was well backed in the transfer window.

The football has been some of the most cowardly and negative I've ever seen at spurs.

He's a short term manager and after the best part of 18 months he has not improved anything.

Sack him at the end of the season and let a progressive manager take over our talented squad.
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No the squad is regressing, and has been for a while, even under the previous manager. The OP said as much. A change of manager with the current squad, will make zero difference. Spurs have a few decent players, but they have anything but a very talented SQUAD. Far to many times the SQUAD players have been given their chance, and failed at every chance they get. I myself thought the squad was top drawer, but over the past two seasons, I have seen it clearly is not, and am willing to hold my hand up and say I got that wrong.

In what why could players like Doherty, Dier, Winks, Sissoko, Davies etc be called talented?

posted on 22/3/21

comment by Anne is ruled out on medical grounds (U8366)
posted 3 minutes ago
This is a terrible article. Fans don't want him out for the points you listed and you seem like nothing but a WUM with this article. He is simply not a good manager anymore, especially for our club. Terrible football, shocking tatics, awful mentality and ultimately a very poor record stats wise.

One win against villa (and other fodder - fulham, palace, burnley) and he it the messiah again. What a joker
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No it is a very good article fella. Very fair assessment. Piling all the blame on the current manager is a total nonsense, when it is clear a lot of the players are simply just not good enough. The football is no worse than it was under the last 12 months of the previous manager, but somehow that all gets forgotten, because Poch was untouchable according to lots of our fans.

posted on 22/3/21

The dislike for him from his previous jobs is unfair as he has behaved very well here since he has been at our club. Depends on how much of a snowflake you are I guess and your ability to hold a grudge against someone.

I liked his interview yday talking about selfish players. He seems to have cottoned on to the players he can and can't trust.

As for him being the right manager for the rebuild. He is the right man. After 16 months he is best placed to assess which players need to stay and go.

If a new manager comes in the usual snakes like Dele and Dier will suck up to the new man, gain his trust and let him down again. We will be back to square one after the new manager bounce has worn off.

King Jose In.

posted on 22/3/21

He could win a trophy and end up in the top 4 after a season of crying from the fans.

posted on 22/3/21

I actually find myself agreeing with what Jose says more often than not, and my heart says that with a bit of time, money, and a very bumpy road, he could actually make a difference here maybe even more than Poch did, and that is not to dismiss what Poch did in the Slightest.

Poch took us onto a new level, consistently qualifying for the CL, title challenges etc. But our mentality in games that REALLY mattered under him also consistently let us down. Games like:

Chelsea 2 Spurs 2 - we were 2-0 up and cruising in a game we had to win to keep the title race alive. What on earth happened/was said at half time to make us lose our heads so much?

West Ham 1 Spurs 0 (twice - 15/16 and 16/17). Played awful in both games, pressure got to us.

Multiple semi final losses against Chelsea, Utd etc.

The problem we have with Jose at the moment, and one I fear won't be overcome because it would cost too much, is he is trying to instill the same values into his players here that he did at Chelsea, Inter, Madrid etc. Compared to players he had there, some of our players are similar but simply a class below.

It would be like Pep taking over a team full of players who play in his style, good technical ball players, off the top of my head players such as Joe Allen, Ward Prowse, Xhaka etc but simply aren't as good as the likes of Xavi, David Silva etc. As good as a Manager Pep is, he wouldn't be able to win as much as he does if the players he manages were not as good as they are.

Will Levy provide the funds to Jose to give him what he needs? We've already been here once with Skriniar..

comment by Chronic (U3423)

posted on 22/3/21

i would say that most spurs fans have been judging him solely on the performances and results, rather than any previous antics, or any personal feelings about him.....

the team is producing below par results, while playing awfully, and there have been several signs that the players arent playing for him.


if we go on a great run now and get CL then i might change my view....

he players also have a l ot to answer for. downing tools, passive, basic errors,... and i want half of them gone as well

posted on 22/3/21

comment by HB Fash - "like a pack of cards" (U21935)
posted 48 seconds ago
He could win a trophy and end up in the top 4 after a season of crying from the fans.
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Right now, in looking at how this team has reacted in big games, like Leicester, Liverpool and Arsenal - a derby and against Zagreb, that's just a wishy washy statement about us getting top 4 and winning a trophy.
This team needs to show more backbone and desire to even contemplate any of that.

posted on 22/3/21

comment by SpursBoy101 (U21819)
posted 2 minutes ago
I actually find myself agreeing with what Jose says more often than not, and my heart says that with a bit of time, money, and a very bumpy road, he could actually make a difference here maybe even more than Poch did, and that is not to dismiss what Poch did in the Slightest.

Poch took us onto a new level, consistently qualifying for the CL, title challenges etc. But our mentality in games that REALLY mattered under him also consistently let us down. Games like:

Chelsea 2 Spurs 2 - we were 2-0 up and cruising in a game we had to win to keep the title race alive. What on earth happened/was said at half time to make us lose our heads so much?

West Ham 1 Spurs 0 (twice - 15/16 and 16/17). Played awful in both games, pressure got to us.

Multiple semi final losses against Chelsea, Utd etc.

The problem we have with Jose at the moment, and one I fear won't be overcome because it would cost too much, is he is trying to instill the same values into his players here that he did at Chelsea, Inter, Madrid etc. Compared to players he had there, some of our players are similar but simply a class below.

It would be like Pep taking over a team full of players who play in his style, good technical ball players, off the top of my head players such as Joe Allen, Ward Prowse, Xhaka etc but simply aren't as good as the likes of Xavi, David Silva etc. As good as a Manager Pep is, he wouldn't be able to win as much as he does if the players he manages were not as good as they are.

Will Levy provide the funds to Jose to give him what he needs? We've already been here once with Skriniar..


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My Point of view too. Mentally weak side, crumbles under pressure and when we play stronger physically and technically sides, which will happen in big games, like finals or title chasing games, this side is not good enough.
Spursy to the core.

posted on 22/3/21

Glad to see some fans putting a fair share of blame onto the squad of players who for the most part were terrible for a year apart from very luckily reaching a CL final, that they couldn't even raise themselves to put in a credible performance for a manager that backed most of them through a dreadful season of performances

posted on 22/3/21

Your entitled to your opinion OP, but for me he has to go.
The football is awful and we don't look any better than we did when Poch was sacked if anything we look worse.

The treatment if certain players being frozen out and slated in the reports is not our way.

posted on 22/3/21

Which of Jose's many rebuilding projects was it that has made you confident that he was the man for the job?

comment by Cloggy (U1250)

posted on 22/3/21

Poch took us onto a new level, consistently qualifying for the CL, title challenges etc. But our mentality in games that REALLY mattered under him also consistently let us down. Games like:
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How can you say this when it was the MENTALLITY of the players UNDER JOSE that was severely lacking against Zagreb??

You havent improved on mentality at all, the NLD showed that much

posted on 22/3/21

comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 39 seconds ago
i would say that most spurs fans have been judging him solely on the performances and results, rather than any previous antics, or any personal feelings about him.....

the team is producing below par results, while playing awfully, and there have been several signs that the players arent playing for him.


if we go on a great run now and get CL then i might change my view....

he players also have a l ot to answer for. downing tools, passive, basic errors,... and i want half of them gone as well
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A few posters from day one have stuck by their weird rhetoric of the "3 year Jose cycle" and some even saying he doesn't believe in youth when to my knowledge, he has given more debuts to youth team players than Poch ever did in 16 months. Plus he has allowed way more to go on loan to help them develop.

This is not having a dig at Poch but stating facts. In Poch's defence maybe he did not have the same calibre of youth players coming in? Poch once famously called a youth team player the next Messi. What a way to take pressure of the lad

comment by Cloggy (U1250)

posted on 22/3/21

comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by SpursBoy101 (U21819)
posted 2 minutes ago
I actually find myself agreeing with what Jose says more often than not, and my heart says that with a bit of time, money, and a very bumpy road, he could actually make a difference here maybe even more than Poch did, and that is not to dismiss what Poch did in the Slightest.

Poch took us onto a new level, consistently qualifying for the CL, title challenges etc. But our mentality in games that REALLY mattered under him also consistently let us down. Games like:

Chelsea 2 Spurs 2 - we were 2-0 up and cruising in a game we had to win to keep the title race alive. What on earth happened/was said at half time to make us lose our heads so much?

West Ham 1 Spurs 0 (twice - 15/16 and 16/17). Played awful in both games, pressure got to us.

Multiple semi final losses against Chelsea, Utd etc.

The problem we have with Jose at the moment, and one I fear won't be overcome because it would cost too much, is he is trying to instill the same values into his players here that he did at Chelsea, Inter, Madrid etc. Compared to players he had there, some of our players are similar but simply a class below.

It would be like Pep taking over a team full of players who play in his style, good technical ball players, off the top of my head players such as Joe Allen, Ward Prowse, Xhaka etc but simply aren't as good as the likes of Xavi, David Silva etc. As good as a Manager Pep is, he wouldn't be able to win as much as he does if the players he manages were not as good as they are.

Will Levy provide the funds to Jose to give him what he needs? We've already been here once with Skriniar..


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My Point of view too. Mentally weak side, crumbles under pressure and when we play stronger physically and technically sides, which will happen in big games, like finals or title chasing games, this side is not good enough.
Spursy to the core.
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You were under no pressure whatseover going into the Zagreb game.

Jeez some of you really talk a lot of nonsense just to fit the "Jose in" narrative.

posted on 22/3/21

Overreaction? They’re be protests outside the ground of is wasn’t for lockdown.

posted on 22/3/21

comment by Christo-pherk off mourinho (U20930)
posted 40 seconds ago
Which of Jose's many rebuilding projects was it that has made you confident that he was the man for the job?
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I wouldn't say he's ever managed a 'rebuild', but if you look throughout his career, many times he has taken over a club who had been underperforming in relative terms to that club, and made them successful in his time there if given the backing.

The problem lies there - the backing he will get here will be a lot less than he's been used to elsewhere, which will ultimately be his undoing, yet we as fans and as a club are expecting similar results that he has achieved elsewhere (title challenges, trophies, CL runs etc).

Chelsea gave him Robben, Drogba, Carvalho, Essien, Madrid gave him Di Maria, Carvalho, Essien, Inter gave him Sneijder, Eto'o, Chelsea gave him Costa, Fabregas etc etc.

So far the best he's got from us is Hojbjerg and Reguilon, thrown in with the likes of Doherty, Winks, Sissoko. Is it really any wonder that he hasn't been able to stamp his mark on us yet?

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