comment by Hulk - Admin 5 (U1250)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by SpursBoy101 (U21819)
posted 2 minutes ago
I actually find myself agreeing with what Jose says more often than not, and my heart says that with a bit of time, money, and a very bumpy road, he could actually make a difference here maybe even more than Poch did, and that is not to dismiss what Poch did in the Slightest.
Poch took us onto a new level, consistently qualifying for the CL, title challenges etc. But our mentality in games that REALLY mattered under him also consistently let us down. Games like:
Chelsea 2 Spurs 2 - we were 2-0 up and cruising in a game we had to win to keep the title race alive. What on earth happened/was said at half time to make us lose our heads so much?
West Ham 1 Spurs 0 (twice - 15/16 and 16/17). Played awful in both games, pressure got to us.
Multiple semi final losses against Chelsea, Utd etc.
The problem we have with Jose at the moment, and one I fear won't be overcome because it would cost too much, is he is trying to instill the same values into his players here that he did at Chelsea, Inter, Madrid etc. Compared to players he had there, some of our players are similar but simply a class below.
It would be like Pep taking over a team full of players who play in his style, good technical ball players, off the top of my head players such as Joe Allen, Ward Prowse, Xhaka etc but simply aren't as good as the likes of Xavi, David Silva etc. As good as a Manager Pep is, he wouldn't be able to win as much as he does if the players he manages were not as good as they are.
Will Levy provide the funds to Jose to give him what he needs? We've already been here once with Skriniar..
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My Point of view too. Mentally weak side, crumbles under pressure and when we play stronger physically and technically sides, which will happen in big games, like finals or title chasing games, this side is not good enough.
Spursy to the core.
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You were under no pressure whatseover going into the Zagreb game.
Jeez some of you really talk a lot of nonsense just to fit the "Jose in" narrative.
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Of course we were under pressure!
They went into the game 0-2 down against a perceived much bigger team with absolutely nothing to lose. If we had won that game 4-0 to go through 6-0 on aggregate, no one would have batted an eyelid. They had zero pressure, whereas we had everything to lose!
Jose should have been sacked the day after Zagreb. Pitiful display and management. The only excuse Levy can have for not sacking him is that there is a break clause in his contract in the summer if we fail to get CL football.
Cant even think what another season of the Rotten one will look like...horrible just horrible
comment by Edward Elizabeth Hitler. (U14393)
posted 10 minutes ago
Your entitled to your opinion OP, but for me he has to go.
The football is awful and we don't look any better than we did when Poch was sacked if anything we look worse.
The treatment if certain players being frozen out and slated in the reports is not our way.
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"our way" maybe that is the problem? Poch always said we needed a painful rebuild. He was too nice, maybe too loyal to the players which gave him top 4's and after the CL final he was worn out.
We need tough love for a rebuild. Someone like Jose to call players out every now and again. It shows the true character of a player like Ndombele. Slated by Jose publicly and look at him now. Defo one of the first names on the team sheet.
comment by ErikThor (U22540)
posted 3 minutes ago
Jose should have been sacked the day after Zagreb. Pitiful display and management. The only excuse Levy can have for not sacking him is that there is a break clause in his contract in the summer if we fail to get CL football.
Cant even think what another season of the Rotten one will look like...horrible just horrible
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When I read comments like this I want him to stay even more. Would love him to prove everyone wrong.
comment by Christo-pherk off mourinho (U20930)
posted 18 minutes ago
Which of Jose's many rebuilding projects was it that has made you confident that he was the man for the job?
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Porto and Inter were nothing before they became European champions. He has been Utd's most successful manager after the Fergie era. Two trophies we would should not be turning our noses up to.
comment by LukaBrasi #RentFree Patience - We never forget (U22178)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Christo-pherk off mourinho (U20930)
posted 18 minutes ago
Which of Jose's many rebuilding projects was it that has made you confident that he was the man for the job?
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Porto and Inter were nothing before they became European champions. He has been Utd's most successful manager after the Fergie era. Two trophies we would should not be turning our noses up to.
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united are the biggest club in the country though its not really comparable and you just have to look how 90%+ of their fans cant stand him now.
comment by LukaBrasi #RentFree Patience - We never forget (U22178)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Edward Elizabeth Hitler. (U14393)
posted 10 minutes ago
Your entitled to your opinion OP, but for me he has to go.
The football is awful and we don't look any better than we did when Poch was sacked if anything we look worse.
The treatment if certain players being frozen out and slated in the reports is not our way.
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"our way" maybe that is the problem? Poch always said we needed a painful rebuild. He was too nice, maybe too loyal to the players which gave him top 4's and after the CL final he was worn out.
We need tough love for a rebuild. Someone like Jose to call players out every now and again. It shows the true character of a player like Ndombele. Slated by Jose publicly and look at him now. Defo one of the first names on the team sheet.
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Absolutely
I don't think anyone is saying Jose is perfect, but how else does anyone think that we are going to get over this mental 'block' that it is painfully obvious we have as a club, in order to take that next step?
I've seen some fans asking us why we can't aspire to be like the likes of Dortmund, a club who seemingly don't have the spending power, like us, and yet seem to be progressive and are able to sign the likes of Haaland.
Well, look at Dortmund a little closer.
First of all, they are in a much less competitive and financially overloaded league than us. We're competing against Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, Man Utd, they're competing with Leipzig, Gladbach, Wolfsburg. Any of the English teams would be favourites against those in a European match.
They haven't won the league in almost 10 years despite having players such as Reus, Lewandowski, Auba, Gundogan etc.
They haven't got anywhere near the CL final since 2013, again almost 10 years. All they've won are a couple of German cups/community shields.
It shows that we are maybe expecting too much of ourselves - there are so many amazing teams in this country and in Europe, and simply not enough trophies to go round.
Of course we were under pressure!
They went into the game 0-2 down against a perceived much bigger team with absolutely nothing to lose. If we had won that game 4-0 to go through 6-0 on aggregate, no one would have batted an eyelid. They had zero pressure, whereas we had everything to lose!
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You can't really believe that, your side had a 2-0 headstart against a team much weaker than yours, you can't honestly be saying that the pressure of a 2-0 lead was too much for the Spurs players.
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comment by #PhenagelsmannIN (U20037)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi #RentFree Patience - We never forget (U22178)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Christo-pherk off mourinho (U20930)
posted 18 minutes ago
Which of Jose's many rebuilding projects was it that has made you confident that he was the man for the job?
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Porto and Inter were nothing before they became European champions. He has been Utd's most successful manager after the Fergie era. Two trophies we would should not be turning our noses up to.
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united are the biggest club in the country though its not really comparable and you just have to look how 90%+ of their fans cant stand him now.
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Utd fans haven't been happy since Fergie left. They expect titles every season. Ole gets an easy ride because he was a former player.
I was just answering Christo's question. Comparable or not he won 2 trophies there.
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 32 minutes ago
Overreaction? They’re be protests outside the ground of is wasn’t for lockdown.
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That was spurs fans at Bristol last night.
comment by SpursBoy101 (U21819)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Hulk - Admin 5 (U1250)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by SpursBoy101 (U21819)
posted 2 minutes ago
I actually find myself agreeing with what Jose says more often than not, and my heart says that with a bit of time, money, and a very bumpy road, he could actually make a difference here maybe even more than Poch did, and that is not to dismiss what Poch did in the Slightest.
Poch took us onto a new level, consistently qualifying for the CL, title challenges etc. But our mentality in games that REALLY mattered under him also consistently let us down. Games like:
Chelsea 2 Spurs 2 - we were 2-0 up and cruising in a game we had to win to keep the title race alive. What on earth happened/was said at half time to make us lose our heads so much?
West Ham 1 Spurs 0 (twice - 15/16 and 16/17). Played awful in both games, pressure got to us.
Multiple semi final losses against Chelsea, Utd etc.
The problem we have with Jose at the moment, and one I fear won't be overcome because it would cost too much, is he is trying to instill the same values into his players here that he did at Chelsea, Inter, Madrid etc. Compared to players he had there, some of our players are similar but simply a class below.
It would be like Pep taking over a team full of players who play in his style, good technical ball players, off the top of my head players such as Joe Allen, Ward Prowse, Xhaka etc but simply aren't as good as the likes of Xavi, David Silva etc. As good as a Manager Pep is, he wouldn't be able to win as much as he does if the players he manages were not as good as they are.
Will Levy provide the funds to Jose to give him what he needs? We've already been here once with Skriniar..
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My Point of view too. Mentally weak side, crumbles under pressure and when we play stronger physically and technically sides, which will happen in big games, like finals or title chasing games, this side is not good enough.
Spursy to the core.
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You were under no pressure whatseover going into the Zagreb game.
Jeez some of you really talk a lot of nonsense just to fit the "Jose in" narrative.
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Of course we were under pressure!
They went into the game 0-2 down against a perceived much bigger team with absolutely nothing to lose. If we had won that game 4-0 to go through 6-0 on aggregate, no one would have batted an eyelid. They had zero pressure, whereas we had everything to lose!
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I am not sure whether that guy understands football. Saying Spurs had no pressure against Zagreb
If anything for Zagred it was a free hit, but for us, it was a a must win game and it was the competition Jose wanted to do well in. Every pressure was on Spurs and we buckled again under it.
Looking through the comments I still don't see any rational responses.
It seems to be all rhetoric, emotions and ideology. Can anybody provide a rational response taking the facts into account?
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 18 minutes ago
Of course we were under pressure!
They went into the game 0-2 down against a perceived much bigger team with absolutely nothing to lose. If we had won that game 4-0 to go through 6-0 on aggregate, no one would have batted an eyelid. They had zero pressure, whereas we had everything to lose!
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You can't really believe that, your side had a 2-0 headstart against a team much weaker than yours, you can't honestly be saying that the pressure of a 2-0 lead was too much for the Spurs players.
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It is the pressure of being the Favourites in the game, the pressure of a potential exit, which happened anyway, and an early exit, the pressure of what the financial implications for Spurs of not staying in the competition, the pressure of no TV revenue, the pressure of a side with big names getting eliminated by a bunch of players who you have to google some of them to know who they are....It is the equivalent of Chelmsford playing Spurs, and knocking us out.
You don't 'fluke' top 4. You don't really 'fluke' a run to a CL final as all knockouts are over 2 legs against the best opposition in the world. We had some good fortune along the way, sure, but we didn't fluke any of that.
For the record, I wasn't anti-Jose from day one, despite what some of his disciples here think. I was sceptical, sure, but I was hoping he would come back from his difficult United time a better manager.
From very early on, the signs for me weren't great. We scrapped any passing game and soon began hoofing the ball up to Kane, relying entirely on our talisman when in years gone by we coped with his injuries by playing as a team. Game upon we game we fewer possession. We stopped pressing. Patterns of play started disappearing and we retreated as a team to our own 18 yard box, for every game. The plan? Defend like we're a third tier side against Prem opposition in a cup game and punt it up to the two world class players we have. That was a Jose's 'masterclass', apparently. When we win it's down to individual brilliance and when we lose it's because those two had an off game.
It's continued like that for 18 months with no real progression, no team cohesion, noises about unrest, terrible style of play and above all worse results than Poch's, admittedly, poor final 6 months.
To see no reason why we're calling for Jose's head is frankly baffling. He's been here 18 months but we've regressed about 18 years since he's been here. I know this game is all about opinions and you're entitled to yours but as far as I'm concerned, you're just plain wrong.
I don't want to give Jose another penny to spend. Give him the rest of the season but then it's thanks but no thanks.
comment by garrybuild (U1148)
posted 58 minutes ago
Glad to see some fans putting a fair share of blame onto the squad of players who for the most part were terrible for a year apart from very luckily reaching a CL final, that they couldn't even raise themselves to put in a credible performance for a manager that backed most of them through a dreadful season of performances
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I think the more sensible fans will see it is not just as simple as saying Jose Out 24/7. They see that the whole squad needs a complete overall. It is a very balanced view in my opinion. And not just screaming Jose out after every loss, which is complete and utter nonsense. He has not even had one full season yet.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 2 minutes ago
You don't 'fluke' top 4. You don't really 'fluke' a run to a CL final as all knockouts are over 2 legs against the best opposition in the world. We had some good fortune along the way, sure, but we didn't fluke any of that.
For the record, I wasn't anti-Jose from day one, despite what some of his disciples here think. I was sceptical, sure, but I was hoping he would come back from his difficult United time a better manager.
From very early on, the signs for me weren't great. We scrapped any passing game and soon began hoofing the ball up to Kane, relying entirely on our talisman when in years gone by we coped with his injuries by playing as a team. Game upon we game we fewer possession. We stopped pressing. Patterns of play started disappearing and we retreated as a team to our own 18 yard box, for every game. The plan? Defend like we're a third tier side against Prem opposition in a cup game and punt it up to the two world class players we have. That was a Jose's 'masterclass', apparently. When we win it's down to individual brilliance and when we lose it's because those two had an off game.
It's continued like that for 18 months with no real progression, no team cohesion, noises about unrest, terrible style of play and above all worse results than Poch's, admittedly, poor final 6 months.
To see no reason why we're calling for Jose's head is frankly baffling. He's been here 18 months but we've regressed about 18 years since he's been here. I know this game is all about opinions and you're entitled to yours but as far as I'm concerned, you're just plain wrong.
I don't want to give Jose another penny to spend. Give him the rest of the season but then it's thanks but no thanks.
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But to play good football like that you need to have superior players...
Do you really expect us to play open and expansive football with the players that we have?
In order to be a CB or fullback in an expansive team you need to be extremely good. Do you really expect us to be able to expose our back line with players like Dier, Davies and Doherty getting a lot of game time and still able to dominate games and win?
comment by Edward Elizabeth Hitler. (U14393)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
Your entitled to your opinion OP, but for me he has to go.
The football is awful and we don't look any better than we did when Poch was sacked if anything we look worse.
The treatment if certain players being frozen out and slated in the reports is not our way.
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I usually agree with you Eddie, but I think Jose is absolutely right to call out certain players, for far to long they have been on easy street.
Worth pointing out also that Poch qualified for the CL in his final full season (despite people saying how awful he was in his final year) and Jose's brief when he got the job was undoubtedly keep us a CL club but win us a trophy.
Neither is likely to happen. He's failed. He will be dismissed entirely for that reason and that reason alone. Personally I could add more reasons for that dismissal like - woefully negative tactics, divisive managment style that's fractured squad harmony etc. Levy won't need them though. He'll be looking at the cold stats and they don't make good reading either.
comment by SpursBoy101 (U21819)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi #RentFree Patience - We never forget (U22178)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Edward Elizabeth Hitler. (U14393)
posted 10 minutes ago
Your entitled to your opinion OP, but for me he has to go.
The football is awful and we don't look any better than we did when Poch was sacked if anything we look worse.
The treatment if certain players being frozen out and slated in the reports is not our way.
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"our way" maybe that is the problem? Poch always said we needed a painful rebuild. He was too nice, maybe too loyal to the players which gave him top 4's and after the CL final he was worn out.
We need tough love for a rebuild. Someone like Jose to call players out every now and again. It shows the true character of a player like Ndombele. Slated by Jose publicly and look at him now. Defo one of the first names on the team sheet.
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Absolutely
I don't think anyone is saying Jose is perfect, but how else does anyone think that we are going to get over this mental 'block' that it is painfully obvious we have as a club, in order to take that next step?
I've seen some fans asking us why we can't aspire to be like the likes of Dortmund, a club who seemingly don't have the spending power, like us, and yet seem to be progressive and are able to sign the likes of Haaland.
Well, look at Dortmund a little closer.
First of all, they are in a much less competitive and financially overloaded league than us. We're competing against Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, Man Utd, they're competing with Leipzig, Gladbach, Wolfsburg. Any of the English teams would be favourites against those in a European match.
They haven't won the league in almost 10 years despite having players such as Reus, Lewandowski, Auba, Gundogan etc.
They haven't got anywhere near the CL final since 2013, again almost 10 years. All they've won are a couple of German cups/community shields.
It shows that we are maybe expecting too much of ourselves - there are so many amazing teams in this country and in Europe, and simply not enough trophies to go round.
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Yeh Dortmund are seriously overrated. They are basically in a two team league, yet win very little, despite having some decent players. Spurs beat them comfortably home and away last time they met, and that was with this underachieving bunch of players.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 2 minutes ago
Worth pointing out also that Poch qualified for the CL in his final full season (despite people saying how awful he was in his final year) and Jose's brief when he got the job was undoubtedly keep us a CL club but win us a trophy.
Neither is likely to happen. He's failed. He will be dismissed entirely for that reason and that reason alone. Personally I could add more reasons for that dismissal like - woefully negative tactics, divisive managment style that's fractured squad harmony etc. Levy won't need them though. He'll be looking at the cold stats and they don't make good reading either.
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- woefully negative tactics, divisive managment style that's fractured squad harmony
Negative tactics needed imo. We have massive gaps in our squad. You CANNOT open up a game with the back 4 we have....
Also, if you listened to Lloris, you'd see that the fractured squad was here way before Jose.
comment by add912 (U9189)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 2 minutes ago
You don't 'fluke' top 4. You don't really 'fluke' a run to a CL final as all knockouts are over 2 legs against the best opposition in the world. We had some good fortune along the way, sure, but we didn't fluke any of that.
For the record, I wasn't anti-Jose from day one, despite what some of his disciples here think. I was sceptical, sure, but I was hoping he would come back from his difficult United time a better manager.
From very early on, the signs for me weren't great. We scrapped any passing game and soon began hoofing the ball up to Kane, relying entirely on our talisman when in years gone by we coped with his injuries by playing as a team. Game upon we game we fewer possession. We stopped pressing. Patterns of play started disappearing and we retreated as a team to our own 18 yard box, for every game. The plan? Defend like we're a third tier side against Prem opposition in a cup game and punt it up to the two world class players we have. That was a Jose's 'masterclass', apparently. When we win it's down to individual brilliance and when we lose it's because those two had an off game.
It's continued like that for 18 months with no real progression, no team cohesion, noises about unrest, terrible style of play and above all worse results than Poch's, admittedly, poor final 6 months.
To see no reason why we're calling for Jose's head is frankly baffling. He's been here 18 months but we've regressed about 18 years since he's been here. I know this game is all about opinions and you're entitled to yours but as far as I'm concerned, you're just plain wrong.
I don't want to give Jose another penny to spend. Give him the rest of the season but then it's thanks but no thanks.
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But to play good football like that you need to have superior players...
Do you really expect us to play open and expansive football with the players that we have?
In order to be a CB or fullback in an expansive team you need to be extremely good. Do you really expect us to be able to expose our back line with players like Dier, Davies and Doherty getting a lot of game time and still able to dominate games and win?
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Correct me if I'm wrong but Poch managed to get get us in the top 4 and to a CL final with the same set of players, bar Eriksen, Trippier and Vertonghen. In fact Jose now has Ndombele, Reguillon, Hojbjerg, Bale, Rodon, Doherty, Bergwijn and Lo Celso to add to that. He has a much better squad of players than Poch ever did and we're playing terrible football and not getting anywhere near the same results.
It's incredible how people on here like Sandy can scream like a baby to get Poch sacked (even though he had maybe a bad 6 months of so, only in the league) but suddenly NOW it's a squad problem. Not the manager. The hypocrisy is astounding.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 17 minutes ago
You don't 'fluke' top 4. You don't really 'fluke' a run to a CL final as all knockouts are over 2 legs against the best opposition in the world. We had some good fortune along the way, sure, but we didn't fluke any of that.
For the record, I wasn't anti-Jose from day one, despite what some of his disciples here think. I was sceptical, sure, but I was hoping he would come back from his difficult United time a better manager.
From very early on, the signs for me weren't great. We scrapped any passing game and soon began hoofing the ball up to Kane, relying entirely on our talisman when in years gone by we coped with his injuries by playing as a team. Game upon we game we fewer possession. We stopped pressing. Patterns of play started disappearing and we retreated as a team to our own 18 yard box, for every game. The plan? Defend like we're a third tier side against Prem opposition in a cup game and punt it up to the two world class players we have. That was a Jose's 'masterclass', apparently. When we win it's down to individual brilliance and when we lose it's because those two had an off game.
It's continued like that for 18 months with no real progression, no team cohesion, noises about unrest, terrible style of play and above all worse results than Poch's, admittedly, poor final 6 months.
To see no reason why we're calling for Jose's head is frankly baffling. He's been here 18 months but we've regressed about 18 years since he's been here. I know this game is all about opinions and you're entitled to yours but as far as I'm concerned, you're just plain wrong.
I don't want to give Jose another penny to spend. Give him the rest of the season but then it's thanks but no thanks.
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Excellent post.
The fluking it to a CL final always makes me laugh. We thrashed Dortmund, who were top of the Bundesliga, beat probably the greatest team in premier league history in the quarters then showed huge heart to beat a quality young Ajax team.
Under Jose in Europe we have been battered by Leipzig and humiliated by Zagreb. There is literally no chance we could 'fluke' a CL final now. Very little chance of even playing in the CL under jose.
It's funny how Jose always walks into a club that's fractured and lacking in harmony isn't it? Hang on.... could... could it be him that's the problem?
Interesting to see Pogba and Shaw now playing some of the best football of their lives isn't it?
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
It's funny how Jose always walks into a club that's fractured and lacking in harmony isn't it? Hang on.... could... could it be him that's the problem?
Interesting to see Pogba and Shaw now playing some of the best football of their lives isn't it?
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That' a bit unfair and skewed view, mate
Pogba is playing better with Bruno being there with him, yes Bruno is the reason why Pogba is performing better, nothing to do with management. Shaw, is a funny case. I saw an interview with Shaw where he was praising Jose's tough love for giving him incentive to improve?
Don't believe everything you read dude
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The "Jose out" Cult and our Overreaction
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posted on 22/3/21
comment by Hulk - Admin 5 (U1250)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by SpursBoy101 (U21819)
posted 2 minutes ago
I actually find myself agreeing with what Jose says more often than not, and my heart says that with a bit of time, money, and a very bumpy road, he could actually make a difference here maybe even more than Poch did, and that is not to dismiss what Poch did in the Slightest.
Poch took us onto a new level, consistently qualifying for the CL, title challenges etc. But our mentality in games that REALLY mattered under him also consistently let us down. Games like:
Chelsea 2 Spurs 2 - we were 2-0 up and cruising in a game we had to win to keep the title race alive. What on earth happened/was said at half time to make us lose our heads so much?
West Ham 1 Spurs 0 (twice - 15/16 and 16/17). Played awful in both games, pressure got to us.
Multiple semi final losses against Chelsea, Utd etc.
The problem we have with Jose at the moment, and one I fear won't be overcome because it would cost too much, is he is trying to instill the same values into his players here that he did at Chelsea, Inter, Madrid etc. Compared to players he had there, some of our players are similar but simply a class below.
It would be like Pep taking over a team full of players who play in his style, good technical ball players, off the top of my head players such as Joe Allen, Ward Prowse, Xhaka etc but simply aren't as good as the likes of Xavi, David Silva etc. As good as a Manager Pep is, he wouldn't be able to win as much as he does if the players he manages were not as good as they are.
Will Levy provide the funds to Jose to give him what he needs? We've already been here once with Skriniar..
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My Point of view too. Mentally weak side, crumbles under pressure and when we play stronger physically and technically sides, which will happen in big games, like finals or title chasing games, this side is not good enough.
Spursy to the core.
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You were under no pressure whatseover going into the Zagreb game.
Jeez some of you really talk a lot of nonsense just to fit the "Jose in" narrative.
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Of course we were under pressure!
They went into the game 0-2 down against a perceived much bigger team with absolutely nothing to lose. If we had won that game 4-0 to go through 6-0 on aggregate, no one would have batted an eyelid. They had zero pressure, whereas we had everything to lose!
posted on 22/3/21
Jose should have been sacked the day after Zagreb. Pitiful display and management. The only excuse Levy can have for not sacking him is that there is a break clause in his contract in the summer if we fail to get CL football.
Cant even think what another season of the Rotten one will look like...horrible just horrible
posted on 22/3/21
comment by Edward Elizabeth Hitler. (U14393)
posted 10 minutes ago
Your entitled to your opinion OP, but for me he has to go.
The football is awful and we don't look any better than we did when Poch was sacked if anything we look worse.
The treatment if certain players being frozen out and slated in the reports is not our way.
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"our way" maybe that is the problem? Poch always said we needed a painful rebuild. He was too nice, maybe too loyal to the players which gave him top 4's and after the CL final he was worn out.
We need tough love for a rebuild. Someone like Jose to call players out every now and again. It shows the true character of a player like Ndombele. Slated by Jose publicly and look at him now. Defo one of the first names on the team sheet.
posted on 22/3/21
comment by ErikThor (U22540)
posted 3 minutes ago
Jose should have been sacked the day after Zagreb. Pitiful display and management. The only excuse Levy can have for not sacking him is that there is a break clause in his contract in the summer if we fail to get CL football.
Cant even think what another season of the Rotten one will look like...horrible just horrible
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When I read comments like this I want him to stay even more. Would love him to prove everyone wrong.
posted on 22/3/21
comment by Christo-pherk off mourinho (U20930)
posted 18 minutes ago
Which of Jose's many rebuilding projects was it that has made you confident that he was the man for the job?
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Porto and Inter were nothing before they became European champions. He has been Utd's most successful manager after the Fergie era. Two trophies we would should not be turning our noses up to.
posted on 22/3/21
comment by LukaBrasi #RentFree Patience - We never forget (U22178)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Christo-pherk off mourinho (U20930)
posted 18 minutes ago
Which of Jose's many rebuilding projects was it that has made you confident that he was the man for the job?
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Porto and Inter were nothing before they became European champions. He has been Utd's most successful manager after the Fergie era. Two trophies we would should not be turning our noses up to.
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united are the biggest club in the country though its not really comparable and you just have to look how 90%+ of their fans cant stand him now.
posted on 22/3/21
comment by LukaBrasi #RentFree Patience - We never forget (U22178)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Edward Elizabeth Hitler. (U14393)
posted 10 minutes ago
Your entitled to your opinion OP, but for me he has to go.
The football is awful and we don't look any better than we did when Poch was sacked if anything we look worse.
The treatment if certain players being frozen out and slated in the reports is not our way.
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"our way" maybe that is the problem? Poch always said we needed a painful rebuild. He was too nice, maybe too loyal to the players which gave him top 4's and after the CL final he was worn out.
We need tough love for a rebuild. Someone like Jose to call players out every now and again. It shows the true character of a player like Ndombele. Slated by Jose publicly and look at him now. Defo one of the first names on the team sheet.
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Absolutely
I don't think anyone is saying Jose is perfect, but how else does anyone think that we are going to get over this mental 'block' that it is painfully obvious we have as a club, in order to take that next step?
I've seen some fans asking us why we can't aspire to be like the likes of Dortmund, a club who seemingly don't have the spending power, like us, and yet seem to be progressive and are able to sign the likes of Haaland.
Well, look at Dortmund a little closer.
First of all, they are in a much less competitive and financially overloaded league than us. We're competing against Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, Man Utd, they're competing with Leipzig, Gladbach, Wolfsburg. Any of the English teams would be favourites against those in a European match.
They haven't won the league in almost 10 years despite having players such as Reus, Lewandowski, Auba, Gundogan etc.
They haven't got anywhere near the CL final since 2013, again almost 10 years. All they've won are a couple of German cups/community shields.
It shows that we are maybe expecting too much of ourselves - there are so many amazing teams in this country and in Europe, and simply not enough trophies to go round.
posted on 22/3/21
Of course we were under pressure!
They went into the game 0-2 down against a perceived much bigger team with absolutely nothing to lose. If we had won that game 4-0 to go through 6-0 on aggregate, no one would have batted an eyelid. They had zero pressure, whereas we had everything to lose!
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You can't really believe that, your side had a 2-0 headstart against a team much weaker than yours, you can't honestly be saying that the pressure of a 2-0 lead was too much for the Spurs players.
posted on 22/3/21
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posted on 22/3/21
comment by #PhenagelsmannIN (U20037)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi #RentFree Patience - We never forget (U22178)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Christo-pherk off mourinho (U20930)
posted 18 minutes ago
Which of Jose's many rebuilding projects was it that has made you confident that he was the man for the job?
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Porto and Inter were nothing before they became European champions. He has been Utd's most successful manager after the Fergie era. Two trophies we would should not be turning our noses up to.
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united are the biggest club in the country though its not really comparable and you just have to look how 90%+ of their fans cant stand him now.
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Utd fans haven't been happy since Fergie left. They expect titles every season. Ole gets an easy ride because he was a former player.
I was just answering Christo's question. Comparable or not he won 2 trophies there.
posted on 22/3/21
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 32 minutes ago
Overreaction? They’re be protests outside the ground of is wasn’t for lockdown.
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That was spurs fans at Bristol last night.
posted on 22/3/21
comment by SpursBoy101 (U21819)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Hulk - Admin 5 (U1250)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by SpursBoy101 (U21819)
posted 2 minutes ago
I actually find myself agreeing with what Jose says more often than not, and my heart says that with a bit of time, money, and a very bumpy road, he could actually make a difference here maybe even more than Poch did, and that is not to dismiss what Poch did in the Slightest.
Poch took us onto a new level, consistently qualifying for the CL, title challenges etc. But our mentality in games that REALLY mattered under him also consistently let us down. Games like:
Chelsea 2 Spurs 2 - we were 2-0 up and cruising in a game we had to win to keep the title race alive. What on earth happened/was said at half time to make us lose our heads so much?
West Ham 1 Spurs 0 (twice - 15/16 and 16/17). Played awful in both games, pressure got to us.
Multiple semi final losses against Chelsea, Utd etc.
The problem we have with Jose at the moment, and one I fear won't be overcome because it would cost too much, is he is trying to instill the same values into his players here that he did at Chelsea, Inter, Madrid etc. Compared to players he had there, some of our players are similar but simply a class below.
It would be like Pep taking over a team full of players who play in his style, good technical ball players, off the top of my head players such as Joe Allen, Ward Prowse, Xhaka etc but simply aren't as good as the likes of Xavi, David Silva etc. As good as a Manager Pep is, he wouldn't be able to win as much as he does if the players he manages were not as good as they are.
Will Levy provide the funds to Jose to give him what he needs? We've already been here once with Skriniar..
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My Point of view too. Mentally weak side, crumbles under pressure and when we play stronger physically and technically sides, which will happen in big games, like finals or title chasing games, this side is not good enough.
Spursy to the core.
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You were under no pressure whatseover going into the Zagreb game.
Jeez some of you really talk a lot of nonsense just to fit the "Jose in" narrative.
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Of course we were under pressure!
They went into the game 0-2 down against a perceived much bigger team with absolutely nothing to lose. If we had won that game 4-0 to go through 6-0 on aggregate, no one would have batted an eyelid. They had zero pressure, whereas we had everything to lose!
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I am not sure whether that guy understands football. Saying Spurs had no pressure against Zagreb
If anything for Zagred it was a free hit, but for us, it was a a must win game and it was the competition Jose wanted to do well in. Every pressure was on Spurs and we buckled again under it.
posted on 22/3/21
Looking through the comments I still don't see any rational responses.
It seems to be all rhetoric, emotions and ideology. Can anybody provide a rational response taking the facts into account?
posted on 22/3/21
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 18 minutes ago
Of course we were under pressure!
They went into the game 0-2 down against a perceived much bigger team with absolutely nothing to lose. If we had won that game 4-0 to go through 6-0 on aggregate, no one would have batted an eyelid. They had zero pressure, whereas we had everything to lose!
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You can't really believe that, your side had a 2-0 headstart against a team much weaker than yours, you can't honestly be saying that the pressure of a 2-0 lead was too much for the Spurs players.
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It is the pressure of being the Favourites in the game, the pressure of a potential exit, which happened anyway, and an early exit, the pressure of what the financial implications for Spurs of not staying in the competition, the pressure of no TV revenue, the pressure of a side with big names getting eliminated by a bunch of players who you have to google some of them to know who they are....It is the equivalent of Chelmsford playing Spurs, and knocking us out.
posted on 22/3/21
You don't 'fluke' top 4. You don't really 'fluke' a run to a CL final as all knockouts are over 2 legs against the best opposition in the world. We had some good fortune along the way, sure, but we didn't fluke any of that.
For the record, I wasn't anti-Jose from day one, despite what some of his disciples here think. I was sceptical, sure, but I was hoping he would come back from his difficult United time a better manager.
From very early on, the signs for me weren't great. We scrapped any passing game and soon began hoofing the ball up to Kane, relying entirely on our talisman when in years gone by we coped with his injuries by playing as a team. Game upon we game we fewer possession. We stopped pressing. Patterns of play started disappearing and we retreated as a team to our own 18 yard box, for every game. The plan? Defend like we're a third tier side against Prem opposition in a cup game and punt it up to the two world class players we have. That was a Jose's 'masterclass', apparently. When we win it's down to individual brilliance and when we lose it's because those two had an off game.
It's continued like that for 18 months with no real progression, no team cohesion, noises about unrest, terrible style of play and above all worse results than Poch's, admittedly, poor final 6 months.
To see no reason why we're calling for Jose's head is frankly baffling. He's been here 18 months but we've regressed about 18 years since he's been here. I know this game is all about opinions and you're entitled to yours but as far as I'm concerned, you're just plain wrong.
I don't want to give Jose another penny to spend. Give him the rest of the season but then it's thanks but no thanks.
posted on 22/3/21
comment by garrybuild (U1148)
posted 58 minutes ago
Glad to see some fans putting a fair share of blame onto the squad of players who for the most part were terrible for a year apart from very luckily reaching a CL final, that they couldn't even raise themselves to put in a credible performance for a manager that backed most of them through a dreadful season of performances
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I think the more sensible fans will see it is not just as simple as saying Jose Out 24/7. They see that the whole squad needs a complete overall. It is a very balanced view in my opinion. And not just screaming Jose out after every loss, which is complete and utter nonsense. He has not even had one full season yet.
posted on 22/3/21
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 2 minutes ago
You don't 'fluke' top 4. You don't really 'fluke' a run to a CL final as all knockouts are over 2 legs against the best opposition in the world. We had some good fortune along the way, sure, but we didn't fluke any of that.
For the record, I wasn't anti-Jose from day one, despite what some of his disciples here think. I was sceptical, sure, but I was hoping he would come back from his difficult United time a better manager.
From very early on, the signs for me weren't great. We scrapped any passing game and soon began hoofing the ball up to Kane, relying entirely on our talisman when in years gone by we coped with his injuries by playing as a team. Game upon we game we fewer possession. We stopped pressing. Patterns of play started disappearing and we retreated as a team to our own 18 yard box, for every game. The plan? Defend like we're a third tier side against Prem opposition in a cup game and punt it up to the two world class players we have. That was a Jose's 'masterclass', apparently. When we win it's down to individual brilliance and when we lose it's because those two had an off game.
It's continued like that for 18 months with no real progression, no team cohesion, noises about unrest, terrible style of play and above all worse results than Poch's, admittedly, poor final 6 months.
To see no reason why we're calling for Jose's head is frankly baffling. He's been here 18 months but we've regressed about 18 years since he's been here. I know this game is all about opinions and you're entitled to yours but as far as I'm concerned, you're just plain wrong.
I don't want to give Jose another penny to spend. Give him the rest of the season but then it's thanks but no thanks.
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But to play good football like that you need to have superior players...
Do you really expect us to play open and expansive football with the players that we have?
In order to be a CB or fullback in an expansive team you need to be extremely good. Do you really expect us to be able to expose our back line with players like Dier, Davies and Doherty getting a lot of game time and still able to dominate games and win?
posted on 22/3/21
comment by Edward Elizabeth Hitler. (U14393)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
Your entitled to your opinion OP, but for me he has to go.
The football is awful and we don't look any better than we did when Poch was sacked if anything we look worse.
The treatment if certain players being frozen out and slated in the reports is not our way.
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I usually agree with you Eddie, but I think Jose is absolutely right to call out certain players, for far to long they have been on easy street.
posted on 22/3/21
Worth pointing out also that Poch qualified for the CL in his final full season (despite people saying how awful he was in his final year) and Jose's brief when he got the job was undoubtedly keep us a CL club but win us a trophy.
Neither is likely to happen. He's failed. He will be dismissed entirely for that reason and that reason alone. Personally I could add more reasons for that dismissal like - woefully negative tactics, divisive managment style that's fractured squad harmony etc. Levy won't need them though. He'll be looking at the cold stats and they don't make good reading either.
posted on 22/3/21
comment by SpursBoy101 (U21819)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi #RentFree Patience - We never forget (U22178)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Edward Elizabeth Hitler. (U14393)
posted 10 minutes ago
Your entitled to your opinion OP, but for me he has to go.
The football is awful and we don't look any better than we did when Poch was sacked if anything we look worse.
The treatment if certain players being frozen out and slated in the reports is not our way.
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"our way" maybe that is the problem? Poch always said we needed a painful rebuild. He was too nice, maybe too loyal to the players which gave him top 4's and after the CL final he was worn out.
We need tough love for a rebuild. Someone like Jose to call players out every now and again. It shows the true character of a player like Ndombele. Slated by Jose publicly and look at him now. Defo one of the first names on the team sheet.
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Absolutely
I don't think anyone is saying Jose is perfect, but how else does anyone think that we are going to get over this mental 'block' that it is painfully obvious we have as a club, in order to take that next step?
I've seen some fans asking us why we can't aspire to be like the likes of Dortmund, a club who seemingly don't have the spending power, like us, and yet seem to be progressive and are able to sign the likes of Haaland.
Well, look at Dortmund a little closer.
First of all, they are in a much less competitive and financially overloaded league than us. We're competing against Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, Man Utd, they're competing with Leipzig, Gladbach, Wolfsburg. Any of the English teams would be favourites against those in a European match.
They haven't won the league in almost 10 years despite having players such as Reus, Lewandowski, Auba, Gundogan etc.
They haven't got anywhere near the CL final since 2013, again almost 10 years. All they've won are a couple of German cups/community shields.
It shows that we are maybe expecting too much of ourselves - there are so many amazing teams in this country and in Europe, and simply not enough trophies to go round.
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Yeh Dortmund are seriously overrated. They are basically in a two team league, yet win very little, despite having some decent players. Spurs beat them comfortably home and away last time they met, and that was with this underachieving bunch of players.
posted on 22/3/21
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 2 minutes ago
Worth pointing out also that Poch qualified for the CL in his final full season (despite people saying how awful he was in his final year) and Jose's brief when he got the job was undoubtedly keep us a CL club but win us a trophy.
Neither is likely to happen. He's failed. He will be dismissed entirely for that reason and that reason alone. Personally I could add more reasons for that dismissal like - woefully negative tactics, divisive managment style that's fractured squad harmony etc. Levy won't need them though. He'll be looking at the cold stats and they don't make good reading either.
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- woefully negative tactics, divisive managment style that's fractured squad harmony
Negative tactics needed imo. We have massive gaps in our squad. You CANNOT open up a game with the back 4 we have....
Also, if you listened to Lloris, you'd see that the fractured squad was here way before Jose.
posted on 22/3/21
comment by add912 (U9189)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 2 minutes ago
You don't 'fluke' top 4. You don't really 'fluke' a run to a CL final as all knockouts are over 2 legs against the best opposition in the world. We had some good fortune along the way, sure, but we didn't fluke any of that.
For the record, I wasn't anti-Jose from day one, despite what some of his disciples here think. I was sceptical, sure, but I was hoping he would come back from his difficult United time a better manager.
From very early on, the signs for me weren't great. We scrapped any passing game and soon began hoofing the ball up to Kane, relying entirely on our talisman when in years gone by we coped with his injuries by playing as a team. Game upon we game we fewer possession. We stopped pressing. Patterns of play started disappearing and we retreated as a team to our own 18 yard box, for every game. The plan? Defend like we're a third tier side against Prem opposition in a cup game and punt it up to the two world class players we have. That was a Jose's 'masterclass', apparently. When we win it's down to individual brilliance and when we lose it's because those two had an off game.
It's continued like that for 18 months with no real progression, no team cohesion, noises about unrest, terrible style of play and above all worse results than Poch's, admittedly, poor final 6 months.
To see no reason why we're calling for Jose's head is frankly baffling. He's been here 18 months but we've regressed about 18 years since he's been here. I know this game is all about opinions and you're entitled to yours but as far as I'm concerned, you're just plain wrong.
I don't want to give Jose another penny to spend. Give him the rest of the season but then it's thanks but no thanks.
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But to play good football like that you need to have superior players...
Do you really expect us to play open and expansive football with the players that we have?
In order to be a CB or fullback in an expansive team you need to be extremely good. Do you really expect us to be able to expose our back line with players like Dier, Davies and Doherty getting a lot of game time and still able to dominate games and win?
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Correct me if I'm wrong but Poch managed to get get us in the top 4 and to a CL final with the same set of players, bar Eriksen, Trippier and Vertonghen. In fact Jose now has Ndombele, Reguillon, Hojbjerg, Bale, Rodon, Doherty, Bergwijn and Lo Celso to add to that. He has a much better squad of players than Poch ever did and we're playing terrible football and not getting anywhere near the same results.
It's incredible how people on here like Sandy can scream like a baby to get Poch sacked (even though he had maybe a bad 6 months of so, only in the league) but suddenly NOW it's a squad problem. Not the manager. The hypocrisy is astounding.
posted on 22/3/21
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 17 minutes ago
You don't 'fluke' top 4. You don't really 'fluke' a run to a CL final as all knockouts are over 2 legs against the best opposition in the world. We had some good fortune along the way, sure, but we didn't fluke any of that.
For the record, I wasn't anti-Jose from day one, despite what some of his disciples here think. I was sceptical, sure, but I was hoping he would come back from his difficult United time a better manager.
From very early on, the signs for me weren't great. We scrapped any passing game and soon began hoofing the ball up to Kane, relying entirely on our talisman when in years gone by we coped with his injuries by playing as a team. Game upon we game we fewer possession. We stopped pressing. Patterns of play started disappearing and we retreated as a team to our own 18 yard box, for every game. The plan? Defend like we're a third tier side against Prem opposition in a cup game and punt it up to the two world class players we have. That was a Jose's 'masterclass', apparently. When we win it's down to individual brilliance and when we lose it's because those two had an off game.
It's continued like that for 18 months with no real progression, no team cohesion, noises about unrest, terrible style of play and above all worse results than Poch's, admittedly, poor final 6 months.
To see no reason why we're calling for Jose's head is frankly baffling. He's been here 18 months but we've regressed about 18 years since he's been here. I know this game is all about opinions and you're entitled to yours but as far as I'm concerned, you're just plain wrong.
I don't want to give Jose another penny to spend. Give him the rest of the season but then it's thanks but no thanks.
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Excellent post.
The fluking it to a CL final always makes me laugh. We thrashed Dortmund, who were top of the Bundesliga, beat probably the greatest team in premier league history in the quarters then showed huge heart to beat a quality young Ajax team.
Under Jose in Europe we have been battered by Leipzig and humiliated by Zagreb. There is literally no chance we could 'fluke' a CL final now. Very little chance of even playing in the CL under jose.
posted on 22/3/21
It's funny how Jose always walks into a club that's fractured and lacking in harmony isn't it? Hang on.... could... could it be him that's the problem?
Interesting to see Pogba and Shaw now playing some of the best football of their lives isn't it?
posted on 22/3/21
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
It's funny how Jose always walks into a club that's fractured and lacking in harmony isn't it? Hang on.... could... could it be him that's the problem?
Interesting to see Pogba and Shaw now playing some of the best football of their lives isn't it?
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That' a bit unfair and skewed view, mate
Pogba is playing better with Bruno being there with him, yes Bruno is the reason why Pogba is performing better, nothing to do with management. Shaw, is a funny case. I saw an interview with Shaw where he was praising Jose's tough love for giving him incentive to improve?
Don't believe everything you read dude
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