Just some 'light' reading...
https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-coronavirus-vaccine-struggle-pfizer-biontech-astrazeneca/
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55844268
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/08/world/europe/eu-vaccines-germany.html
Sure - would've been great to have stayed in the EU as you can see from the above...
Play the subject, not the poster.
Likewise remind me of which country’s leader has been subjected to two consecutive public enquiries again?
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One of the problems in this whole episode has been the obsession with politicising and 'going after' the big scalps of Sturgeon and, to a lesser extent, Salmond.
Labelled the Salmond inquiry - it was the fooking SG that was being investigated, not him!
And it was primarily the WM run civil service part of the SG that was the ones that fckd up but still the committee chose to chase the jackpot and try to get Sturgeon who's role was always a bit player in this.
So a) you are wrong, Ginger - she's not been the subject of two enquiries b) the main players they should have been focussing on are getting off with it. Nobody will walk.
And being the subject of the one inquiry that you referred yourself to and being cleared sounds pretty decent outcome. I'm sure you'll agree?
comment by * (U22266)
posted 10 minutes ago
Just some 'light' reading...
https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-coronavirus-vaccine-struggle-pfizer-biontech-astrazeneca/
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55844268
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/08/world/europe/eu-vaccines-germany.html
Sure - would've been great to have stayed in the EU as you can see from the above...
Play the subject, not the poster.
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Whatever
Not followed this investigation stuff in detail.
Is this report saying that Nicola Sturgeon genuinely didn’t remember being at an informal meeting where sexual harassment allegations against the then First Minister of Scotland were discussed?
Also, was the person who was the independent investigator a previous SNP member?
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 29 seconds ago
Not followed this investigation stuff in detail.
Is this report saying that Nicola Sturgeon genuinely didn’t remember being at an informal meeting where sexual harassment allegations against the then First Minister of Scotland were discussed?
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No, they concluded it was plausible that it was forgotten in the midst of a busy day and when only the general claim was known. Only 3 days later at her house did she learn the specific charges. Allegedly.
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 44 seconds ago
Also, was the person who was the independent investigator a previous SNP member?
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No
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 29 seconds ago
Not followed this investigation stuff in detail.
Is this report saying that Nicola Sturgeon genuinely didn’t remember being at an informal meeting where sexual harassment allegations against the then First Minister of Scotland were discussed?
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No, they concluded it was plausible that it was forgotten in the midst of a busy day and when only the general claim was known. Only 3 days later at her house did she learn the specific charges. Allegedly.
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Really? hmm, I’m not a conspiracy theory person.
Imho that’s an absolutely incredible outcome.
Whatever Nicola is or isn’t, she’s an excellent Politician and the if first time she hears of a potential huge scandal against Scotland’s leading politician, her boss and sometime mentor she isn’t immediately thinking and talking about potential fallout affecting her, then I’m struggling to accept that at face value
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 44 seconds ago
Also, was the person who was the independent investigator a previous SNP member?
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No
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thought I’d heard he worked with/for Salmond/Sturgeon in the past.
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 12 minutes ago
Likewise remind me of which country’s leader has been subjected to two consecutive public enquiries again?
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One of the problems in this whole episode has been the obsession with politicising and 'going after' the big scalps of Sturgeon and, to a lesser extent, Salmond.
Labelled the Salmond inquiry - it was the fooking SG that was being investigated, not him!
And it was primarily the WM run civil service part of the SG that was the ones that fckd up but still the committee chose to chase the jackpot and try to get Sturgeon who's role was always a bit player in this.
So a) you are wrong, Ginger - she's not been the subject of two enquiries b) the main players they should have been focussing on are getting off with it. Nobody will walk.
And being the subject of the one inquiry that you referred yourself to and being cleared sounds pretty decent outcome. I'm sure you'll agree?
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Eh?
Yes she was. The enquiries were specifically to investigate as to whether she broke the ministerial code.
There’s absolutely no doubt about that
I’m right. So up ye
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 12 minutes ago
Likewise remind me of which country’s leader has been subjected to two consecutive public enquiries again?
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One of the problems in this whole episode has been the obsession with politicising and 'going after' the big scalps of Sturgeon and, to a lesser extent, Salmond.
Labelled the Salmond inquiry - it was the fooking SG that was being investigated, not him!
And it was primarily the WM run civil service part of the SG that was the ones that fckd up but still the committee chose to chase the jackpot and try to get Sturgeon who's role was always a bit player in this.
So a) you are wrong, Ginger - she's not been the subject of two enquiries b) the main players they should have been focussing on are getting off with it. Nobody will walk.
And being the subject of the one inquiry that you referred yourself to and being cleared sounds pretty decent outcome. I'm sure you'll agree?
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Eh?
Yes she was. The enquiries were specifically to investigate as to whether she broke the ministerial code.
There’s absolutely no doubt about that
I’m right. So up ye
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To consider and report on the actions of the First Minister, Scottish Government officials and special advisers in dealing with complaints about Alex Salmond, former First Minister, considered under the Scottish Government’s “Handling of harassment complaints involving current or former ministers” procedure and actions in relation to the Scottish Ministerial Code.
Oh sure. How many were under investigation? She rightly removed herself from the process. At some point.
Was she pulling strings, was she aware of more than she should have been, was there a witch hunt? Who knows - all deeply suspicious but just like Eck, need to prove it or someone (all with vested interests) to blow the whistle. There's still a chance but it is receding.
IMHO they've gone after the Godfather and let all the soldiers disperse and are left with fck all.
comment by Tully1 (U20686)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by * (U22266)
posted 10 minutes ago
Just some 'light' reading...
https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-coronavirus-vaccine-struggle-pfizer-biontech-astrazeneca/
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55844268
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/08/world/europe/eu-vaccines-germany.html
Sure - would've been great to have stayed in the EU as you can see from the above...
Play the subject, not the poster.
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Whatever
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Happy to accept your concession that you made an erse of it.
No worries.
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 12 minutes ago
Likewise remind me of which country’s leader has been subjected to two consecutive public enquiries again?
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One of the problems in this whole episode has been the obsession with politicising and 'going after' the big scalps of Sturgeon and, to a lesser extent, Salmond.
Labelled the Salmond inquiry - it was the fooking SG that was being investigated, not him!
And it was primarily the WM run civil service part of the SG that was the ones that fckd up but still the committee chose to chase the jackpot and try to get Sturgeon who's role was always a bit player in this.
So a) you are wrong, Ginger - she's not been the subject of two enquiries b) the main players they should have been focussing on are getting off with it. Nobody will walk.
And being the subject of the one inquiry that you referred yourself to and being cleared sounds pretty decent outcome. I'm sure you'll agree?
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Eh?
Yes she was. The enquiries were specifically to investigate as to whether she broke the ministerial code.
There’s absolutely no doubt about that
I’m right. So up ye
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To consider and report on the actions of the First Minister, Scottish Government officials and special advisers in dealing with complaints about Alex Salmond, former First Minister, considered under the Scottish Government’s “Handling of harassment complaints involving current or former ministers” procedure and actions in relation to the Scottish Ministerial Code.
Oh sure. How many were under investigation? She rightly removed herself from the process. At some point.
Was she pulling strings, was she aware of more than she should have been, was there a witch hunt? Who knows - all deeply suspicious but just like Eck, need to prove it or someone (all with vested interests) to blow the whistle. There's still a chance but it is receding.
IMHO they've gone after the Godfather and let all the soldiers disperse and are left with fck all.
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I know you will have no interest whatsoever in how this enquiry is being/has been viewed down here (and that is fine) but it is being seen as a total whitewash.
A shambles doesn't even describe it.
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comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 29 seconds ago
Not followed this investigation stuff in detail.
Is this report saying that Nicola Sturgeon genuinely didn’t remember being at an informal meeting where sexual harassment allegations against the then First Minister of Scotland were discussed?
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No, they concluded it was plausible that it was forgotten in the midst of a busy day and when only the general claim was known. Only 3 days later at her house did she learn the specific charges. Allegedly.
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FFS - Forgotten about?
'Erm - Nicola - there are serious allegations being made here'
'Aye nae worries - I have tea and cakes arrange with the Dundee Horticulture Society tae worry aboot first'.
comment by The Crystal Skull from thon Indiana Jones Disaster (U21917)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by * (U22266)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 12 minutes ago
Likewise remind me of which country’s leader has been subjected to two consecutive public enquiries again?
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One of the problems in this whole episode has been the obsession with politicising and 'going after' the big scalps of Sturgeon and, to a lesser extent, Salmond.
Labelled the Salmond inquiry - it was the fooking SG that was being investigated, not him!
And it was primarily the WM run civil service part of the SG that was the ones that fckd up but still the committee chose to chase the jackpot and try to get Sturgeon who's role was always a bit player in this.
So a) you are wrong, Ginger - she's not been the subject of two enquiries b) the main players they should have been focussing on are getting off with it. Nobody will walk.
And being the subject of the one inquiry that you referred yourself to and being cleared sounds pretty decent outcome. I'm sure you'll agree?
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Eh?
Yes she was. The enquiries were specifically to investigate as to whether she broke the ministerial code.
There’s absolutely no doubt about that
I’m right. So up ye
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To consider and report on the actions of the First Minister, Scottish Government officials and special advisers in dealing with complaints about Alex Salmond, former First Minister, considered under the Scottish Government’s “Handling of harassment complaints involving current or former ministers” procedure and actions in relation to the Scottish Ministerial Code.
Oh sure. How many were under investigation? She rightly removed herself from the process. At some point.
Was she pulling strings, was she aware of more than she should have been, was there a witch hunt? Who knows - all deeply suspicious but just like Eck, need to prove it or someone (all with vested interests) to blow the whistle. There's still a chance but it is receding.
IMHO they've gone after the Godfather and let all the soldiers disperse and are left with fck all.
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I know you will have no interest whatsoever in how this enquiry is being/has been viewed down here (and that is fine) but it is being seen as a total whitewash.
A shambles doesn't even describe it.
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A full independent enquiry delivered by a QC?
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Awww bless.
comment by The Crystal Skull from thon Indiana Jones Disaster (U21917)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by * (U22266)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 12 minutes ago
Likewise remind me of which country’s leader has been subjected to two consecutive public enquiries again?
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One of the problems in this whole episode has been the obsession with politicising and 'going after' the big scalps of Sturgeon and, to a lesser extent, Salmond.
Labelled the Salmond inquiry - it was the fooking SG that was being investigated, not him!
And it was primarily the WM run civil service part of the SG that was the ones that fckd up but still the committee chose to chase the jackpot and try to get Sturgeon who's role was always a bit player in this.
So a) you are wrong, Ginger - she's not been the subject of two enquiries b) the main players they should have been focussing on are getting off with it. Nobody will walk.
And being the subject of the one inquiry that you referred yourself to and being cleared sounds pretty decent outcome. I'm sure you'll agree?
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Eh?
Yes she was. The enquiries were specifically to investigate as to whether she broke the ministerial code.
There’s absolutely no doubt about that
I’m right. So up ye
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To consider and report on the actions of the First Minister, Scottish Government officials and special advisers in dealing with complaints about Alex Salmond, former First Minister, considered under the Scottish Government’s “Handling of harassment complaints involving current or former ministers” procedure and actions in relation to the Scottish Ministerial Code.
Oh sure. How many were under investigation? She rightly removed herself from the process. At some point.
Was she pulling strings, was she aware of more than she should have been, was there a witch hunt? Who knows - all deeply suspicious but just like Eck, need to prove it or someone (all with vested interests) to blow the whistle. There's still a chance but it is receding.
IMHO they've gone after the Godfather and let all the soldiers disperse and are left with fck all.
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I know you will have no interest whatsoever in how this enquiry is being/has been viewed down here (and that is fine) but it is being seen as a total whitewash.
A shambles doesn't even describe it.
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A full independent enquiry delivered by a QC?
I imagine it is being seen as anything over than full vindication of the FM of Scotland, given that is what the result was.
Anything else would be clearly incorrect
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I see you never addressed the 'light reading' I gave you regarding the EU?
No surprise really - well, you were well and truly done.
You clearly hadn't read up on the structure and decision making of the EU.
It's no biggie.
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comment by * (U22266)
posted 7 hours, 54 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 12 minutes ago
Likewise remind me of which country’s leader has been subjected to two consecutive public enquiries again?
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One of the problems in this whole episode has been the obsession with politicising and 'going after' the big scalps of Sturgeon and, to a lesser extent, Salmond.
Labelled the Salmond inquiry - it was the fooking SG that was being investigated, not him!
And it was primarily the WM run civil service part of the SG that was the ones that fckd up but still the committee chose to chase the jackpot and try to get Sturgeon who's role was always a bit player in this.
So a) you are wrong, Ginger - she's not been the subject of two enquiries b) the main players they should have been focussing on are getting off with it. Nobody will walk.
And being the subject of the one inquiry that you referred yourself to and being cleared sounds pretty decent outcome. I'm sure you'll agree?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Eh?
Yes she was. The enquiries were specifically to investigate as to whether she broke the ministerial code.
There’s absolutely no doubt about that
I’m right. So up ye
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To consider and report on the actions of the First Minister, Scottish Government officials and special advisers in dealing with complaints about Alex Salmond, former First Minister, considered under the Scottish Government’s “Handling of harassment complaints involving current or former ministers” procedure and actions in relation to the Scottish Ministerial Code.
Oh sure. How many were under investigation? She rightly removed herself from the process. At some point.
Was she pulling strings, was she aware of more than she should have been, was there a witch hunt? Who knows - all deeply suspicious but just like Eck, need to prove it or someone (all with vested interests) to blow the whistle. There's still a chance but it is receding.
IMHO they've gone after the Godfather and let all the soldiers disperse and are left with fck all.
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I know you will have no interest whatsoever in how this enquiry is being/has been viewed down here (and that is fine) but it is being seen as a total whitewash.
A shambles doesn't even describe it.
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Most Scots really couldn't a monkey's fwck how this independent investigation is being viewed 'down there'. A lickspittle mob of obsequious nationalists of the worst type who either don't have the balls or the inclination to hold their own arrogant, lying, cheating, law-breaking, cronyistic bunch of incompetent politicos to account are really, let's face it, not in any position to lecture anyone.
Johnson has been sacked previously (twice) for lying, Hancock broke the Law, Johnson lied to Parliament and the Queen, Patel was found guilty of breaking the Ministerial Code but this sleaze-ridden mob didn't sack her -no, instead they spent £300,000 compensating the guy who invesitagated her to stop an 'unfair dismissal' law suit - not including the legal costs involved - all the while presiding over one of the worst death rates in the world down to their handling of the Covid.
Now THAT is a fwckin shambles.
So maybe you'll forgive us if we don't take lectures from this erse-licking bunch of sycophantic shiites?
The UK rushed the vaccine program in an effort to cover their ridiculously poor initial response.
I dont think there's any doubt about that.
Other countries have taken a more cautious approach. It seems that many of the posters criticising them for that have also argued all along that the virus isn't that serious (it hardly kills anybody, there are no excess deaths, etc)
Why on earth would you rush a vaccine against a disease that's not that serious?. A disease that doesnt require lockdown.a disease that only 'sheep' are worried about.
Some folk have really got themselves in a guddle here.
Maybe the UK have done the right thing. Maybe not.. We likely wont know for 20 years so the current government won't care.
But its concerning that there are news stories and new discoveries about these vaccines every day. That's not right.
I've had the vaccine myself with very surprising (actually positive) results. My doctor is completely confused.
Still a huge amount of discovery to come on these vaccines.
comment by Magnum. (The big man on here, The Chief, The H... (U22391)
posted 1 minute ago
The UK rushed the vaccine program in an effort to cover their ridiculously poor initial response.
I dont think there's any doubt about that.
Other countries have taken a more cautious approach. It seems that many of the posters criticising them for that have also argued all along that the virus isn't that serious (it hardly kills anybody, there are no excess deaths, etc)
Why on earth would you rush a vaccine against a disease that's not that serious?. A disease that doesnt require lockdown.a disease that only 'sheep' are worried about.
Some folk have really got themselves in a guddle here.
Maybe the UK have done the right thing. Maybe not.. We likely wont know for 20 years so the current government won't care.
But its concerning that there are news stories and new discoveries about these vaccines every day. That's not right.
I've had the vaccine myself with very surprising (actually positive) results. My doctor is completely confused.
Still a huge amount of discovery to come on these vaccines.
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The whole rushed vaccines point is complete nonsense.
They’ve been through the same trial phases and approvals as any other vaccine.
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 8 hours, 55 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 44 seconds ago
Also, was the person who was the independent investigator a previous SNP member?
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No
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thought I’d heard he worked with/for Salmond/Sturgeon in the past.
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James Hamilton QC is a qualified barrister, a former director of public prosecutions in Ireland, was first appointed as an independent adviser to the Scottish Government’s Ministerial Code in 2013 by former first minister Alex Salmond, and reappointed by Ms Sturgeon in 2015. In a similar situation he has previously advised the Wales Government on whether Carwyn Jones broke their Ministerial Code.
In 2017 Wales Online reported that "The Welsh Conservatives last week urged him (Carwyn Jones) to follow the 2012 example of then-Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond and appoint an independent figure to determine if he had broken the code".
James Hamilton QC was the independent figure that Alex Salmond appointed.
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comment by Tully1 (U20686)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 8 hours, 55 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 44 seconds ago
Also, was the person who was the independent investigator a previous SNP member?
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No
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thought I’d heard he worked with/for Salmond/Sturgeon in the past.
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James Hamilton QC is a qualified barrister, a former director of public prosecutions in Ireland, was first appointed as an independent adviser to the Scottish Government’s Ministerial Code in 2013 by former first minister Alex Salmond, and reappointed by Ms Sturgeon in 2015. In a similar situation he has previously advised the Wales Government on whether Carwyn Jones broke their Ministerial Code.
In 2017 Wales Online reported that "The Welsh Conservatives last week urged him (Carwyn Jones) to follow the 2012 example of then-Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond and appoint an independent figure to determine if he had broken the code".
James Hamilton QC was the independent figure that Alex Salmond appointed.
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With all the smoke and mirrors out there, there was some chat about the SNP marking their own homework.
Which doesn't really seem to be the case with this report.
I'm still finding it difficult to find it credible that Nicola couldn't remember being told about Salmond when it was alleged she first was.
He was about the most famous and talked about person in Scotland; a close colleague, etc.
I know there was a jokey comment about a Dundee flower society meeting above but whatever she was doing that day must've been of the highest importance for her to forget that.
comment by The Crystal Skull from thon Indiana Jones Disa... (U21917)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Magnum. (The big man on here, The Chief, The H... (U22391)
posted 1 minute ago
The UK rushed the vaccine program in an effort to cover their ridiculously poor initial response.
I dont think there's any doubt about that.
Other countries have taken a more cautious approach. It seems that many of the posters criticising them for that have also argued all along that the virus isn't that serious (it hardly kills anybody, there are no excess deaths, etc)
Why on earth would you rush a vaccine against a disease that's not that serious?. A disease that doesnt require lockdown.a disease that only 'sheep' are worried about.
Some folk have really got themselves in a guddle here.
Maybe the UK have done the right thing. Maybe not.. We likely wont know for 20 years so the current government won't care.
But its concerning that there are news stories and new discoveries about these vaccines every day. That's not right.
I've had the vaccine myself with very surprising (actually positive) results. My doctor is completely confused.
Still a huge amount of discovery to come on these vaccines.
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The whole rushed vaccines point is complete nonsense.
They’ve been through the same trial phases and approvals as any other vaccine.
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Yeah the Pfizer approval wasn’t rushed I agree but for the government to hail the vaccine which was made by a team led by a German citizen with parents who immigrated from Turkey before starting a German company whose products are produced in Belgium with financing from the US all while following EU regulations as a British success was BS.
Absolute flag waving nonsense
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The UK simply gambled ordering more vaccines than we’d ever need from 6 or 7 different manufacturers. It’s a gamble that looks like it’s paid off, the roll out coupled with our greater restrictions will hopefully see us avoid another bad wave which could be seen continent and allow us to open up sooner.
To refuse to say the gamble looks a good decision and to go further and criticise that is embarrassing nonsense. There’s bloody plenty you can criticise the government for and so it’s pathetic to criticise this.
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posted on 22/3/21
Just some 'light' reading...
https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-coronavirus-vaccine-struggle-pfizer-biontech-astrazeneca/
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55844268
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/08/world/europe/eu-vaccines-germany.html
Sure - would've been great to have stayed in the EU as you can see from the above...
Play the subject, not the poster.
posted on 22/3/21
Likewise remind me of which country’s leader has been subjected to two consecutive public enquiries again?
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
One of the problems in this whole episode has been the obsession with politicising and 'going after' the big scalps of Sturgeon and, to a lesser extent, Salmond.
Labelled the Salmond inquiry - it was the fooking SG that was being investigated, not him!
And it was primarily the WM run civil service part of the SG that was the ones that fckd up but still the committee chose to chase the jackpot and try to get Sturgeon who's role was always a bit player in this.
So a) you are wrong, Ginger - she's not been the subject of two enquiries b) the main players they should have been focussing on are getting off with it. Nobody will walk.
And being the subject of the one inquiry that you referred yourself to and being cleared sounds pretty decent outcome. I'm sure you'll agree?
posted on 22/3/21
comment by * (U22266)
posted 10 minutes ago
Just some 'light' reading...
https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-coronavirus-vaccine-struggle-pfizer-biontech-astrazeneca/
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55844268
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/08/world/europe/eu-vaccines-germany.html
Sure - would've been great to have stayed in the EU as you can see from the above...
Play the subject, not the poster.
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Whatever
posted on 22/3/21
Not followed this investigation stuff in detail.
Is this report saying that Nicola Sturgeon genuinely didn’t remember being at an informal meeting where sexual harassment allegations against the then First Minister of Scotland were discussed?
posted on 22/3/21
Also, was the person who was the independent investigator a previous SNP member?
posted on 22/3/21
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 29 seconds ago
Not followed this investigation stuff in detail.
Is this report saying that Nicola Sturgeon genuinely didn’t remember being at an informal meeting where sexual harassment allegations against the then First Minister of Scotland were discussed?
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No, they concluded it was plausible that it was forgotten in the midst of a busy day and when only the general claim was known. Only 3 days later at her house did she learn the specific charges. Allegedly.
posted on 22/3/21
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 44 seconds ago
Also, was the person who was the independent investigator a previous SNP member?
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No
posted on 22/3/21
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 29 seconds ago
Not followed this investigation stuff in detail.
Is this report saying that Nicola Sturgeon genuinely didn’t remember being at an informal meeting where sexual harassment allegations against the then First Minister of Scotland were discussed?
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No, they concluded it was plausible that it was forgotten in the midst of a busy day and when only the general claim was known. Only 3 days later at her house did she learn the specific charges. Allegedly.
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Really? hmm, I’m not a conspiracy theory person.
Imho that’s an absolutely incredible outcome.
Whatever Nicola is or isn’t, she’s an excellent Politician and the if first time she hears of a potential huge scandal against Scotland’s leading politician, her boss and sometime mentor she isn’t immediately thinking and talking about potential fallout affecting her, then I’m struggling to accept that at face value
posted on 22/3/21
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 44 seconds ago
Also, was the person who was the independent investigator a previous SNP member?
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No
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thought I’d heard he worked with/for Salmond/Sturgeon in the past.
posted on 22/3/21
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 12 minutes ago
Likewise remind me of which country’s leader has been subjected to two consecutive public enquiries again?
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
One of the problems in this whole episode has been the obsession with politicising and 'going after' the big scalps of Sturgeon and, to a lesser extent, Salmond.
Labelled the Salmond inquiry - it was the fooking SG that was being investigated, not him!
And it was primarily the WM run civil service part of the SG that was the ones that fckd up but still the committee chose to chase the jackpot and try to get Sturgeon who's role was always a bit player in this.
So a) you are wrong, Ginger - she's not been the subject of two enquiries b) the main players they should have been focussing on are getting off with it. Nobody will walk.
And being the subject of the one inquiry that you referred yourself to and being cleared sounds pretty decent outcome. I'm sure you'll agree?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Eh?
Yes she was. The enquiries were specifically to investigate as to whether she broke the ministerial code.
There’s absolutely no doubt about that
I’m right. So up ye
posted on 22/3/21
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 12 minutes ago
Likewise remind me of which country’s leader has been subjected to two consecutive public enquiries again?
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One of the problems in this whole episode has been the obsession with politicising and 'going after' the big scalps of Sturgeon and, to a lesser extent, Salmond.
Labelled the Salmond inquiry - it was the fooking SG that was being investigated, not him!
And it was primarily the WM run civil service part of the SG that was the ones that fckd up but still the committee chose to chase the jackpot and try to get Sturgeon who's role was always a bit player in this.
So a) you are wrong, Ginger - she's not been the subject of two enquiries b) the main players they should have been focussing on are getting off with it. Nobody will walk.
And being the subject of the one inquiry that you referred yourself to and being cleared sounds pretty decent outcome. I'm sure you'll agree?
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Eh?
Yes she was. The enquiries were specifically to investigate as to whether she broke the ministerial code.
There’s absolutely no doubt about that
I’m right. So up ye
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To consider and report on the actions of the First Minister, Scottish Government officials and special advisers in dealing with complaints about Alex Salmond, former First Minister, considered under the Scottish Government’s “Handling of harassment complaints involving current or former ministers” procedure and actions in relation to the Scottish Ministerial Code.
Oh sure. How many were under investigation? She rightly removed herself from the process. At some point.
Was she pulling strings, was she aware of more than she should have been, was there a witch hunt? Who knows - all deeply suspicious but just like Eck, need to prove it or someone (all with vested interests) to blow the whistle. There's still a chance but it is receding.
IMHO they've gone after the Godfather and let all the soldiers disperse and are left with fck all.
posted on 22/3/21
comment by Tully1 (U20686)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by * (U22266)
posted 10 minutes ago
Just some 'light' reading...
https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-coronavirus-vaccine-struggle-pfizer-biontech-astrazeneca/
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55844268
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/08/world/europe/eu-vaccines-germany.html
Sure - would've been great to have stayed in the EU as you can see from the above...
Play the subject, not the poster.
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Whatever
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Happy to accept your concession that you made an erse of it.
No worries.
posted on 22/3/21
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 12 minutes ago
Likewise remind me of which country’s leader has been subjected to two consecutive public enquiries again?
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One of the problems in this whole episode has been the obsession with politicising and 'going after' the big scalps of Sturgeon and, to a lesser extent, Salmond.
Labelled the Salmond inquiry - it was the fooking SG that was being investigated, not him!
And it was primarily the WM run civil service part of the SG that was the ones that fckd up but still the committee chose to chase the jackpot and try to get Sturgeon who's role was always a bit player in this.
So a) you are wrong, Ginger - she's not been the subject of two enquiries b) the main players they should have been focussing on are getting off with it. Nobody will walk.
And being the subject of the one inquiry that you referred yourself to and being cleared sounds pretty decent outcome. I'm sure you'll agree?
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Eh?
Yes she was. The enquiries were specifically to investigate as to whether she broke the ministerial code.
There’s absolutely no doubt about that
I’m right. So up ye
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To consider and report on the actions of the First Minister, Scottish Government officials and special advisers in dealing with complaints about Alex Salmond, former First Minister, considered under the Scottish Government’s “Handling of harassment complaints involving current or former ministers” procedure and actions in relation to the Scottish Ministerial Code.
Oh sure. How many were under investigation? She rightly removed herself from the process. At some point.
Was she pulling strings, was she aware of more than she should have been, was there a witch hunt? Who knows - all deeply suspicious but just like Eck, need to prove it or someone (all with vested interests) to blow the whistle. There's still a chance but it is receding.
IMHO they've gone after the Godfather and let all the soldiers disperse and are left with fck all.
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I know you will have no interest whatsoever in how this enquiry is being/has been viewed down here (and that is fine) but it is being seen as a total whitewash.
A shambles doesn't even describe it.
posted on 22/3/21
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posted on 22/3/21
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 29 seconds ago
Not followed this investigation stuff in detail.
Is this report saying that Nicola Sturgeon genuinely didn’t remember being at an informal meeting where sexual harassment allegations against the then First Minister of Scotland were discussed?
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No, they concluded it was plausible that it was forgotten in the midst of a busy day and when only the general claim was known. Only 3 days later at her house did she learn the specific charges. Allegedly.
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FFS - Forgotten about?
'Erm - Nicola - there are serious allegations being made here'
'Aye nae worries - I have tea and cakes arrange with the Dundee Horticulture Society tae worry aboot first'.
posted on 22/3/21
comment by The Crystal Skull from thon Indiana Jones Disaster (U21917)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by * (U22266)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 12 minutes ago
Likewise remind me of which country’s leader has been subjected to two consecutive public enquiries again?
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One of the problems in this whole episode has been the obsession with politicising and 'going after' the big scalps of Sturgeon and, to a lesser extent, Salmond.
Labelled the Salmond inquiry - it was the fooking SG that was being investigated, not him!
And it was primarily the WM run civil service part of the SG that was the ones that fckd up but still the committee chose to chase the jackpot and try to get Sturgeon who's role was always a bit player in this.
So a) you are wrong, Ginger - she's not been the subject of two enquiries b) the main players they should have been focussing on are getting off with it. Nobody will walk.
And being the subject of the one inquiry that you referred yourself to and being cleared sounds pretty decent outcome. I'm sure you'll agree?
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Eh?
Yes she was. The enquiries were specifically to investigate as to whether she broke the ministerial code.
There’s absolutely no doubt about that
I’m right. So up ye
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To consider and report on the actions of the First Minister, Scottish Government officials and special advisers in dealing with complaints about Alex Salmond, former First Minister, considered under the Scottish Government’s “Handling of harassment complaints involving current or former ministers” procedure and actions in relation to the Scottish Ministerial Code.
Oh sure. How many were under investigation? She rightly removed herself from the process. At some point.
Was she pulling strings, was she aware of more than she should have been, was there a witch hunt? Who knows - all deeply suspicious but just like Eck, need to prove it or someone (all with vested interests) to blow the whistle. There's still a chance but it is receding.
IMHO they've gone after the Godfather and let all the soldiers disperse and are left with fck all.
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I know you will have no interest whatsoever in how this enquiry is being/has been viewed down here (and that is fine) but it is being seen as a total whitewash.
A shambles doesn't even describe it.
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A full independent enquiry delivered by a QC?
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Awww bless.
posted on 22/3/21
comment by The Crystal Skull from thon Indiana Jones Disaster (U21917)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by * (U22266)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 12 minutes ago
Likewise remind me of which country’s leader has been subjected to two consecutive public enquiries again?
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One of the problems in this whole episode has been the obsession with politicising and 'going after' the big scalps of Sturgeon and, to a lesser extent, Salmond.
Labelled the Salmond inquiry - it was the fooking SG that was being investigated, not him!
And it was primarily the WM run civil service part of the SG that was the ones that fckd up but still the committee chose to chase the jackpot and try to get Sturgeon who's role was always a bit player in this.
So a) you are wrong, Ginger - she's not been the subject of two enquiries b) the main players they should have been focussing on are getting off with it. Nobody will walk.
And being the subject of the one inquiry that you referred yourself to and being cleared sounds pretty decent outcome. I'm sure you'll agree?
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Eh?
Yes she was. The enquiries were specifically to investigate as to whether she broke the ministerial code.
There’s absolutely no doubt about that
I’m right. So up ye
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To consider and report on the actions of the First Minister, Scottish Government officials and special advisers in dealing with complaints about Alex Salmond, former First Minister, considered under the Scottish Government’s “Handling of harassment complaints involving current or former ministers” procedure and actions in relation to the Scottish Ministerial Code.
Oh sure. How many were under investigation? She rightly removed herself from the process. At some point.
Was she pulling strings, was she aware of more than she should have been, was there a witch hunt? Who knows - all deeply suspicious but just like Eck, need to prove it or someone (all with vested interests) to blow the whistle. There's still a chance but it is receding.
IMHO they've gone after the Godfather and let all the soldiers disperse and are left with fck all.
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I know you will have no interest whatsoever in how this enquiry is being/has been viewed down here (and that is fine) but it is being seen as a total whitewash.
A shambles doesn't even describe it.
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A full independent enquiry delivered by a QC?
I imagine it is being seen as anything over than full vindication of the FM of Scotland, given that is what the result was.
Anything else would be clearly incorrect
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I see you never addressed the 'light reading' I gave you regarding the EU?
No surprise really - well, you were well and truly done.
You clearly hadn't read up on the structure and decision making of the EU.
It's no biggie.
posted on 23/3/21
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posted on 23/3/21
comment by * (U22266)
posted 7 hours, 54 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 12 minutes ago
Likewise remind me of which country’s leader has been subjected to two consecutive public enquiries again?
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One of the problems in this whole episode has been the obsession with politicising and 'going after' the big scalps of Sturgeon and, to a lesser extent, Salmond.
Labelled the Salmond inquiry - it was the fooking SG that was being investigated, not him!
And it was primarily the WM run civil service part of the SG that was the ones that fckd up but still the committee chose to chase the jackpot and try to get Sturgeon who's role was always a bit player in this.
So a) you are wrong, Ginger - she's not been the subject of two enquiries b) the main players they should have been focussing on are getting off with it. Nobody will walk.
And being the subject of the one inquiry that you referred yourself to and being cleared sounds pretty decent outcome. I'm sure you'll agree?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Eh?
Yes she was. The enquiries were specifically to investigate as to whether she broke the ministerial code.
There’s absolutely no doubt about that
I’m right. So up ye
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To consider and report on the actions of the First Minister, Scottish Government officials and special advisers in dealing with complaints about Alex Salmond, former First Minister, considered under the Scottish Government’s “Handling of harassment complaints involving current or former ministers” procedure and actions in relation to the Scottish Ministerial Code.
Oh sure. How many were under investigation? She rightly removed herself from the process. At some point.
Was she pulling strings, was she aware of more than she should have been, was there a witch hunt? Who knows - all deeply suspicious but just like Eck, need to prove it or someone (all with vested interests) to blow the whistle. There's still a chance but it is receding.
IMHO they've gone after the Godfather and let all the soldiers disperse and are left with fck all.
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I know you will have no interest whatsoever in how this enquiry is being/has been viewed down here (and that is fine) but it is being seen as a total whitewash.
A shambles doesn't even describe it.
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Most Scots really couldn't a monkey's fwck how this independent investigation is being viewed 'down there'. A lickspittle mob of obsequious nationalists of the worst type who either don't have the balls or the inclination to hold their own arrogant, lying, cheating, law-breaking, cronyistic bunch of incompetent politicos to account are really, let's face it, not in any position to lecture anyone.
Johnson has been sacked previously (twice) for lying, Hancock broke the Law, Johnson lied to Parliament and the Queen, Patel was found guilty of breaking the Ministerial Code but this sleaze-ridden mob didn't sack her -no, instead they spent £300,000 compensating the guy who invesitagated her to stop an 'unfair dismissal' law suit - not including the legal costs involved - all the while presiding over one of the worst death rates in the world down to their handling of the Covid.
Now THAT is a fwckin shambles.
So maybe you'll forgive us if we don't take lectures from this erse-licking bunch of sycophantic shiites?
posted on 23/3/21
The UK rushed the vaccine program in an effort to cover their ridiculously poor initial response.
I dont think there's any doubt about that.
Other countries have taken a more cautious approach. It seems that many of the posters criticising them for that have also argued all along that the virus isn't that serious (it hardly kills anybody, there are no excess deaths, etc)
Why on earth would you rush a vaccine against a disease that's not that serious?. A disease that doesnt require lockdown.a disease that only 'sheep' are worried about.
Some folk have really got themselves in a guddle here.
Maybe the UK have done the right thing. Maybe not.. We likely wont know for 20 years so the current government won't care.
But its concerning that there are news stories and new discoveries about these vaccines every day. That's not right.
I've had the vaccine myself with very surprising (actually positive) results. My doctor is completely confused.
Still a huge amount of discovery to come on these vaccines.
posted on 23/3/21
comment by Magnum. (The big man on here, The Chief, The H... (U22391)
posted 1 minute ago
The UK rushed the vaccine program in an effort to cover their ridiculously poor initial response.
I dont think there's any doubt about that.
Other countries have taken a more cautious approach. It seems that many of the posters criticising them for that have also argued all along that the virus isn't that serious (it hardly kills anybody, there are no excess deaths, etc)
Why on earth would you rush a vaccine against a disease that's not that serious?. A disease that doesnt require lockdown.a disease that only 'sheep' are worried about.
Some folk have really got themselves in a guddle here.
Maybe the UK have done the right thing. Maybe not.. We likely wont know for 20 years so the current government won't care.
But its concerning that there are news stories and new discoveries about these vaccines every day. That's not right.
I've had the vaccine myself with very surprising (actually positive) results. My doctor is completely confused.
Still a huge amount of discovery to come on these vaccines.
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The whole rushed vaccines point is complete nonsense.
They’ve been through the same trial phases and approvals as any other vaccine.
posted on 23/3/21
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 8 hours, 55 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 44 seconds ago
Also, was the person who was the independent investigator a previous SNP member?
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No
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thought I’d heard he worked with/for Salmond/Sturgeon in the past.
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James Hamilton QC is a qualified barrister, a former director of public prosecutions in Ireland, was first appointed as an independent adviser to the Scottish Government’s Ministerial Code in 2013 by former first minister Alex Salmond, and reappointed by Ms Sturgeon in 2015. In a similar situation he has previously advised the Wales Government on whether Carwyn Jones broke their Ministerial Code.
In 2017 Wales Online reported that "The Welsh Conservatives last week urged him (Carwyn Jones) to follow the 2012 example of then-Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond and appoint an independent figure to determine if he had broken the code".
James Hamilton QC was the independent figure that Alex Salmond appointed.
posted on 23/3/21
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posted on 23/3/21
comment by Tully1 (U20686)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 8 hours, 55 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 44 seconds ago
Also, was the person who was the independent investigator a previous SNP member?
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No
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thought I’d heard he worked with/for Salmond/Sturgeon in the past.
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James Hamilton QC is a qualified barrister, a former director of public prosecutions in Ireland, was first appointed as an independent adviser to the Scottish Government’s Ministerial Code in 2013 by former first minister Alex Salmond, and reappointed by Ms Sturgeon in 2015. In a similar situation he has previously advised the Wales Government on whether Carwyn Jones broke their Ministerial Code.
In 2017 Wales Online reported that "The Welsh Conservatives last week urged him (Carwyn Jones) to follow the 2012 example of then-Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond and appoint an independent figure to determine if he had broken the code".
James Hamilton QC was the independent figure that Alex Salmond appointed.
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With all the smoke and mirrors out there, there was some chat about the SNP marking their own homework.
Which doesn't really seem to be the case with this report.
I'm still finding it difficult to find it credible that Nicola couldn't remember being told about Salmond when it was alleged she first was.
He was about the most famous and talked about person in Scotland; a close colleague, etc.
I know there was a jokey comment about a Dundee flower society meeting above but whatever she was doing that day must've been of the highest importance for her to forget that.
posted on 23/3/21
comment by The Crystal Skull from thon Indiana Jones Disa... (U21917)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Magnum. (The big man on here, The Chief, The H... (U22391)
posted 1 minute ago
The UK rushed the vaccine program in an effort to cover their ridiculously poor initial response.
I dont think there's any doubt about that.
Other countries have taken a more cautious approach. It seems that many of the posters criticising them for that have also argued all along that the virus isn't that serious (it hardly kills anybody, there are no excess deaths, etc)
Why on earth would you rush a vaccine against a disease that's not that serious?. A disease that doesnt require lockdown.a disease that only 'sheep' are worried about.
Some folk have really got themselves in a guddle here.
Maybe the UK have done the right thing. Maybe not.. We likely wont know for 20 years so the current government won't care.
But its concerning that there are news stories and new discoveries about these vaccines every day. That's not right.
I've had the vaccine myself with very surprising (actually positive) results. My doctor is completely confused.
Still a huge amount of discovery to come on these vaccines.
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The whole rushed vaccines point is complete nonsense.
They’ve been through the same trial phases and approvals as any other vaccine.
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Yeah the Pfizer approval wasn’t rushed I agree but for the government to hail the vaccine which was made by a team led by a German citizen with parents who immigrated from Turkey before starting a German company whose products are produced in Belgium with financing from the US all while following EU regulations as a British success was BS.
Absolute flag waving nonsense
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The UK simply gambled ordering more vaccines than we’d ever need from 6 or 7 different manufacturers. It’s a gamble that looks like it’s paid off, the roll out coupled with our greater restrictions will hopefully see us avoid another bad wave which could be seen continent and allow us to open up sooner.
To refuse to say the gamble looks a good decision and to go further and criticise that is embarrassing nonsense. There’s bloody plenty you can criticise the government for and so it’s pathetic to criticise this.
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