comment by sandy, Ryan Mason, super league boss for 24 hours (U20567)
posted 2 hours, 56 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 39 minutes ago
BTW you should make up your mind whether he's worthy of a world record fee in the midst of a catastrophic recession for the industry or whether he's a big game bottler you'll happily be rid of.
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He is worth what the club put on his head. And I suspect that would have to be a world record transfer fee. I have absolutely no say in the matter.
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He’s worth what a buying clubs willing to pay, i dont see 200m i struggle to see over a 100. But gl to ya’s and fairplay if you pull it off.
comment by Hod idol (U5117)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
I think it's more likely the transfer fee will be around the £90m mark and be heavy loaded with add ons depending on the success he has with his new club over the duration of his contract with them. If he does win those trophies expect the final result to be anywhere between £110m to £130m.
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This, if hes sold itll be for something like this.
In the current market 100m is the ceiling
This is what I don't understand SSN below headline.
Harry Kane has again told Tottenham he wants to leave this summer
Last paragraph below
It is hard to imagine the relationship between the Spurs hierarchy and their homegrown star striker deteriorating if they start to pull in different directions but, if Kane does express a desire to leave, Levy is unlikely to make that exit an easy one for any club that would swoop in.
Very strange reporting either lies or someone is trying to stir up the betting odds.
comment by HB Fash - "like a pack of cards" (U21935)
posted 3 minutes ago
In the current market 100m is the ceiling
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then he isnt leaving is he
Firstly, it's not bollox Sandy. The timing and sheer volume of reports points to this being a strategic move from Harry's team. Those journos would have been been briefed long before the story emerged. It had the feel of a cohesively planned deluge rather than a single report from one source repeated by other media outlets. He definitely wants out. It's now about whether we get the figure the club wants, which I have my doubts about.
To not regard him as a legend of the club despite the fact that he's second only to Greaves in the all time goalscoring charts is absurd. So he didn't win a trophy. Many don't. Is Matt Le Tissier a Southampton legend? Of course he is. Didn't win a teapot. Is Andy Sinton a Spurs legend? Nowhere near it, but he did win a medal for the 1999 League Cup. You can't measure someone's legendary status by silverware alone.
Harry Kane is a Spurs legend regardless of what happens over the next few months.
I agree with you about moving on though. We have to. Take the money, start afresh with a new canvas. I really don't think we will be selling him this summer though. I just don't think clubs have the money Levy wants. If he does take a low end bid it's because the club are desperate for the money. My feeling is that he'll accept nothing less than £150M and for a 28 year old with no real sell on value, he just won't get it. This one is gonna drag and drag and could get really nasty, which I really don't want to see.
Of all the huge players to have left Spurs over my lifetime, Harry is the one I'd send off with the greatest blessings. He deserves a crack at the CL, Prem or any of the other big trophies that we can't offer him. We all know that if we were competing at the top end for those trophies, he'd have been a Spurs lifer. that's good enough for me. Let the boy fly for christ's sake. He's too good for us.
Oh, and to suggest he gets dropped against Villa is frankly laughable.
I can't see it personally; if the fee sought is anything like the estimated (/media quoted) £150m then who's paying it?
Barca are apparently struggling with debt, RM's income has fallen massively. PSG is a possibility but they have a fight on their hands to keep Mbappe, who must surely be their priority given his age.
If he's leaving for trophies rather than money then City are the best bet but City haven't traditionally spend massive money. Think KdB is still their record transfer isn't he?
A club would have to be ok with the optics of this as well - over £100m for a footballer when the country is still struggling to get out of lockdown.
My guess is that he's still at Spurs next season.
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 10 seconds ago
I can't see it personally; if the fee sought is anything like the estimated (/media quoted) £150m then who's paying it?
Barca are apparently struggling with debt, RM's income has fallen massively. PSG is a possibility but they have a fight on their hands to keep Mbappe, who must surely be their priority given his age.
If he's leaving for trophies rather than money then City are the best bet but City haven't traditionally spend massive money. Think KdB is still their record transfer isn't he?
A club would have to be ok with the optics of this as well - over £100m for a footballer when the country is still struggling to get out of lockdown.
My guess is that he's still at Spurs next season.
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Dias I think is their record by at around £65M. Not peanuts but they'd have to smash their record more than twice over to get him. I can't see it either. The thing is I also don't want a miserable player in the squad for next season. It could affect morale if the one they all look up to clearly wants out. I've no doubt he'd still put in the performances but it's not great for any new manager coming in if from the outset he has someone who wants out but the door is locked. Tricky situation for any manager to deal with.
comment by Insufferable-Piffle, just in case, I'm so... (U4388)
posted 1 hour, 41 minutes ago
Sandy, you wouldn't play him IF he does want to leave?
What would happen then moving forward if an suitable bid isn't accepted, would he continue to be
kept on the bench or would he then be played?
I feel Harry is the kinda man who would put out the same level of effort whether he wanted to leave or not, imo only of course
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I personally would not entertain playing him if he says he wants to leave. What would be the point? I suspect though lots of this could be newspaper and media bollox, so let`s just wait and see.
comment by Phenom - you're a wizard Graham (U20037)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash - "like a pack of cards" (U21935)
posted 3 minutes ago
In the current market 100m is the ceiling
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then he isnt leaving is he
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I agree.
Doesn't seem like the type of player to sulk either so Spurs should get away with holding onto him without any fuss.
So unless City or United decide they want to break the bank he's staying put.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 18 minutes ago
Firstly, it's not bollox Sandy. The timing and sheer volume of reports points to this being a strategic move from Harry's team. Those journos would have been been briefed long before the story emerged. It had the feel of a cohesively planned deluge rather than a single report from one source repeated by other media outlets. He definitely wants out. It's now about whether we get the figure the club wants, which I have my doubts about.
To not regard him as a legend of the club despite the fact that he's second only to Greaves in the all time goalscoring charts is absurd. So he didn't win a trophy. Many don't. Is Matt Le Tissier a Southampton legend? Of course he is. Didn't win a teapot. Is Andy Sinton a Spurs legend? Nowhere near it, but he did win a medal for the 1999 League Cup. You can't measure someone's legendary status by silverware alone.
Harry Kane is a Spurs legend regardless of what happens over the next few months.
I agree with you about moving on though. We have to. Take the money, start afresh with a new canvas. I really don't think we will be selling him this summer though. I just don't think clubs have the money Levy wants. If he does take a low end bid it's because the club are desperate for the money. My feeling is that he'll accept nothing less than £150M and for a 28 year old with no real sell on value, he just won't get it. This one is gonna drag and drag and could get really nasty, which I really don't want to see.
Of all the huge players to have left Spurs over my lifetime, Harry is the one I'd send off with the greatest blessings. He deserves a crack at the CL, Prem or any of the other big trophies that we can't offer him. We all know that if we were competing at the top end for those trophies, he'd have been a Spurs lifer. that's good enough for me. Let the boy fly for christ's sake. He's too good for us.
Oh, and to suggest he gets dropped against Villa is frankly laughable.
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If and when Kane leaves Spurs, then he ceases to be of any interest to me, and frankly I could not care what he does or does not win. As I have always said I am only interested in Spurs. The club always comes first with me not the players. Whilst they are at Spurs they get my backing, once they leave, they just become another player, whom I have zero interest in.
comment by sandy, Ryan Mason, super league boss for 24 hours (U20567)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Insufferable-Piffle, just in case, I'm so... (U4388)
posted 1 hour, 41 minutes ago
Sandy, you wouldn't play him IF he does want to leave?
What would happen then moving forward if an suitable bid isn't accepted, would he continue to be
kept on the bench or would he then be played?
I feel Harry is the kinda man who would put out the same level of effort whether he wanted to leave or not, imo only of course
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I personally would not entertain playing him if he says he wants to leave. What would be the point? I suspect though lots of this could be newspaper and media bollox, so let`s just wait and see.
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And what would that do to his overall value? Think of it in business terms. If you publicly leave an asset on the sidelines deeming him surplus to requirements for an extended period, you run the risk of his value depreciating.
He's not a dummy thrower. He's got a self-motivation that means he'll play well for himself, not for any particular club. I don't think his level would drop much.
The impact on other players that look up to him though might be affected. What does it say when your best player clearly wants to leave but isn't allowed to? It doesn't reflect well on the owners and the squad will likely lose any remaining respect they had left for the hierarchy. In other words, most players would be thinking "if that's how they treat one of their best ever players, why would I want to play for a team like that".
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 10 seconds ago
I can't see it personally; if the fee sought is anything like the estimated (/media quoted) £150m then who's paying it?
Barca are apparently struggling with debt, RM's income has fallen massively. PSG is a possibility but they have a fight on their hands to keep Mbappe, who must surely be their priority given his age.
If he's leaving for trophies rather than money then City are the best bet but City haven't traditionally spend massive money. Think KdB is still their record transfer isn't he?
A club would have to be ok with the optics of this as well - over £100m for a footballer when the country is still struggling to get out of lockdown.
My guess is that he's still at Spurs next season.
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Dias I think is their record by at around £65M. Not peanuts but they'd have to smash their record more than twice over to get him. I can't see it either. The thing is I also don't want a miserable player in the squad for next season. It could affect morale if the one they all look up to clearly wants out. I've no doubt he'd still put in the performances but it's not great for any new manager coming in if from the outset he has someone who wants out but the door is locked. Tricky situation for any manager to deal with.
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Why would he be miserable, he is under contract, let him finish it. He can leave for nothing in three years time. If he doesn`t want to play for the club and strops about, then he sits on the bench. I suspect though he won`t strop a move, if the club say know he will knuckle down.
Post covid you would imagine most wouldn't have the money, beyond City, maybe Chelsea.
If those two weren't forthcoming, keeping Kane for a further year, although great for the team and fans, would potentially see his value plummet either way.
Nobody is paying 100 million plus for a player pushing 30, even after a full season of increased revenue when fans return.
comment by sandy, Ryan Mason, super league boss for 24 hours (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 18 minutes ago
Firstly, it's not bollox Sandy. The timing and sheer volume of reports points to this being a strategic move from Harry's team. Those journos would have been been briefed long before the story emerged. It had the feel of a cohesively planned deluge rather than a single report from one source repeated by other media outlets. He definitely wants out. It's now about whether we get the figure the club wants, which I have my doubts about.
To not regard him as a legend of the club despite the fact that he's second only to Greaves in the all time goalscoring charts is absurd. So he didn't win a trophy. Many don't. Is Matt Le Tissier a Southampton legend? Of course he is. Didn't win a teapot. Is Andy Sinton a Spurs legend? Nowhere near it, but he did win a medal for the 1999 League Cup. You can't measure someone's legendary status by silverware alone.
Harry Kane is a Spurs legend regardless of what happens over the next few months.
I agree with you about moving on though. We have to. Take the money, start afresh with a new canvas. I really don't think we will be selling him this summer though. I just don't think clubs have the money Levy wants. If he does take a low end bid it's because the club are desperate for the money. My feeling is that he'll accept nothing less than £150M and for a 28 year old with no real sell on value, he just won't get it. This one is gonna drag and drag and could get really nasty, which I really don't want to see.
Of all the huge players to have left Spurs over my lifetime, Harry is the one I'd send off with the greatest blessings. He deserves a crack at the CL, Prem or any of the other big trophies that we can't offer him. We all know that if we were competing at the top end for those trophies, he'd have been a Spurs lifer. that's good enough for me. Let the boy fly for christ's sake. He's too good for us.
Oh, and to suggest he gets dropped against Villa is frankly laughable.
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If and when Kane leaves Spurs, then he ceases to be of any interest to me, and frankly I could not care what he does or does not win. As I have always said I am only interested in Spurs. The club always comes first with me not the players. Whilst they are at Spurs they get my backing, once they leave, they just become another player, whom I have zero interest in.
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Of course the club always comes first and if you face an old spurs player who has since moved on, you want them to have an absolutely nightmare against us. Totally get that but for our very best players that move on I always retain an affection for them and wish them well, aside from Campbell. I think it depends on their level of service with us. I have strong affections for both Bale and Modric (when Bale was at Madrid) as they both stayed a long time and offered us so much. Berbatov less so as he was only with us for I think 2 seasons before he jumped ship. I think the manner of his departure also played a part. You could argue Modric caused a stink with the whole Chelsea thing but both him and Bale stuck around for a further season after asking to leave.
I love it when a club legend / former manager returns to play us and they get an amazing reception. I'm pretty sure that were we ever to face a Pochettino team again, 60,000 fans will all be singing in unison "He's magic, you know...". Some figures deserve that recognition and I hope that wherever Kane goes he comes back to the most amazing reception you'll ever hear. He deserves it. What are we as a club if we can't appreciate legends of the past? We do it with retired players all the time. It would be nice to show that appreciation to players still kicking a ball around, regardless of their club affiliation.
Do you reckon he has something in the last contract he signed about being able to leave if certain things did or didn't happen, like get top 4 or no trophies or if a certain figure comes in for him, they will have to listen etc....
Don't really understand the fuss. End of the day lesser clubs like yours always end up losing their best players to the big boys. The money should be welcomed and will probably give you a shot at getting back to the top four for a year or two.
comment by Cinciwolf---A top 20 brand in world football (U11551)
posted 5 minutes ago
Don't really understand the fuss. End of the day lesser clubs like yours always end up losing their best players to the big boys. The money should be welcomed and will probably give you a shot at getting back to the top four for a year or two.
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Wummed by a Wolves fan. I'e seen it all now. Is this how low we've sunk?
If I were Levy, I'd try to convince Kane to stay one more season (like United did with Ronaldo in 2008) on the promise he's allowed to leave the following summer. There's reason to believe the market will be more favourable in 12 months, with buying clubs' finances in a better position and more clubs in the market for a centre forward due to the recruitment cycles. Play it well and Spurs get another year of service, and a bigger fee at the end of it, and Kane doesn't feel demotivated.
I still have big doubts that a deal can be done this season. Too big a gap between what Spurs would need and what buying clubs can afford. Too much a risk of funding Spurs' rebuilding project while snookering themselves from investing across their squads.
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 11 minutes ago
Do you reckon he has something in the last contract he signed about being able to leave if certain things did or didn't happen, like get top 4 or no trophies or if a certain figure comes in for him, they will have to listen etc....
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It'll be some worthless nonsense that says something like "in the event that no Champions League place is acquired for the following season, said player can leave with our blessing providing another club meets our valuation". That'll be it. No clear number on the valuation. Levy is the master of contract caveats that allow him to shift the goalposts when necessary.
There's no way he'd allow him to leave for a specific amount. Even the Reguillon deal was a surprise at the time as he doesn't normally go for buy-back options, particularly for specific figures. He won't take that risk with Kane though.
My guess is that the contract will allude to certain freedoms without actually allowing it in black and white. Levy's contracts will be full of grey areas.
Ronaldo was only 23 and won the CL when he decided to stay for another year. Kane hasn't won anything and is nearly 28. I reckon he will leave but this time Levy won't get to mug another club off. I reckon he will go for £100m.
If Kane stays another year his value will decrease so Kane can use that as a way to get out without Levy putting a ridiculous price on him. 3 years left on his contract.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 3 minutes ago
If I were Levy, I'd try to convince Kane to stay one more season (like United did with Ronaldo in 2008) on the promise he's allowed to leave the following summer. There's reason to believe the market will be more favourable in 12 months, with buying clubs' finances in a better position and more clubs in the market for a centre forward due to the recruitment cycles. Play it well and Spurs get another year of service, and a bigger fee at the end of it, and Kane doesn't feel demotivated.
I still have big doubts that a deal can be done this season. Too big a gap between what Spurs would need and what buying clubs can afford. Too much a risk of funding Spurs' rebuilding project while snookering themselves from investing across their squads.
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Exactly what I've said before. We could, in theory, end up with a larger transfer fee with Kane on 2 years than we would now on 3. It's absurd but until confidence returns to the market, we'll only really get bids under £100M this summer. Levy just won't accept that.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 minutes ago
If I were Levy, I'd try to convince Kane to stay one more season (like United did with Ronaldo in 2008) on the promise he's allowed to leave the following summer. There's reason to believe the market will be more favourable in 12 months, with buying clubs' finances in a better position and more clubs in the market for a centre forward due to the recruitment cycles. Play it well and Spurs get another year of service, and a bigger fee at the end of it, and Kane doesn't feel demotivated.
I still have big doubts that a deal can be done this season. Too big a gap between what Spurs would need and what buying clubs can afford. Too much a risk of funding Spurs' rebuilding project while snookering themselves from investing across their squads.
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Isn't that what (the media are reporting) Kane believes he has already? A gentleman's agreement that he can leave this summer?
I still don't think anyone will pay the price Levy will want but if what is being reported is accurate (big if admittedly) then the 'one last year' card has already been played.
comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 5 seconds ago
If Kane stays another year his value will decrease so Kane can use that as a way to get out without Levy putting a ridiculous price on him. 3 years left on his contract.
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I don't think it will decrease. This summer is like no other. Sell him now and you're selling in a market where no buyer will bid beyond maybe 60% of his value. Wait a year for the gates receipts and financial confidence to return and I think we could get closer to 100%. 100% transfer value on a player with 2 years left will likely be higher than 60% on a player with 3 years left.
If Levy does sell for circa £100m this summer, it's because the club is in more financial debt than we all thought. Desperation can make clubs do odd things. Remember when we bought out Southamptons sell on fee for Bale for a further 2M? I think they lost about 20-30M from that but they were desperate at the time. We might be too but I doubt Levy will sanction it. He's a shrewd operator.
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posted on 18/5/21
comment by sandy, Ryan Mason, super league boss for 24 hours (U20567)
posted 2 hours, 56 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 39 minutes ago
BTW you should make up your mind whether he's worthy of a world record fee in the midst of a catastrophic recession for the industry or whether he's a big game bottler you'll happily be rid of.
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He is worth what the club put on his head. And I suspect that would have to be a world record transfer fee. I have absolutely no say in the matter.
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He’s worth what a buying clubs willing to pay, i dont see 200m i struggle to see over a 100. But gl to ya’s and fairplay if you pull it off.
posted on 18/5/21
comment by Hod idol (U5117)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
I think it's more likely the transfer fee will be around the £90m mark and be heavy loaded with add ons depending on the success he has with his new club over the duration of his contract with them. If he does win those trophies expect the final result to be anywhere between £110m to £130m.
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This, if hes sold itll be for something like this.
posted on 18/5/21
In the current market 100m is the ceiling
posted on 18/5/21
This is what I don't understand SSN below headline.
Harry Kane has again told Tottenham he wants to leave this summer
Last paragraph below
It is hard to imagine the relationship between the Spurs hierarchy and their homegrown star striker deteriorating if they start to pull in different directions but, if Kane does express a desire to leave, Levy is unlikely to make that exit an easy one for any club that would swoop in.
Very strange reporting either lies or someone is trying to stir up the betting odds.
posted on 18/5/21
comment by HB Fash - "like a pack of cards" (U21935)
posted 3 minutes ago
In the current market 100m is the ceiling
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then he isnt leaving is he
posted on 18/5/21
Firstly, it's not bollox Sandy. The timing and sheer volume of reports points to this being a strategic move from Harry's team. Those journos would have been been briefed long before the story emerged. It had the feel of a cohesively planned deluge rather than a single report from one source repeated by other media outlets. He definitely wants out. It's now about whether we get the figure the club wants, which I have my doubts about.
To not regard him as a legend of the club despite the fact that he's second only to Greaves in the all time goalscoring charts is absurd. So he didn't win a trophy. Many don't. Is Matt Le Tissier a Southampton legend? Of course he is. Didn't win a teapot. Is Andy Sinton a Spurs legend? Nowhere near it, but he did win a medal for the 1999 League Cup. You can't measure someone's legendary status by silverware alone.
Harry Kane is a Spurs legend regardless of what happens over the next few months.
I agree with you about moving on though. We have to. Take the money, start afresh with a new canvas. I really don't think we will be selling him this summer though. I just don't think clubs have the money Levy wants. If he does take a low end bid it's because the club are desperate for the money. My feeling is that he'll accept nothing less than £150M and for a 28 year old with no real sell on value, he just won't get it. This one is gonna drag and drag and could get really nasty, which I really don't want to see.
Of all the huge players to have left Spurs over my lifetime, Harry is the one I'd send off with the greatest blessings. He deserves a crack at the CL, Prem or any of the other big trophies that we can't offer him. We all know that if we were competing at the top end for those trophies, he'd have been a Spurs lifer. that's good enough for me. Let the boy fly for christ's sake. He's too good for us.
Oh, and to suggest he gets dropped against Villa is frankly laughable.
posted on 18/5/21
I can't see it personally; if the fee sought is anything like the estimated (/media quoted) £150m then who's paying it?
Barca are apparently struggling with debt, RM's income has fallen massively. PSG is a possibility but they have a fight on their hands to keep Mbappe, who must surely be their priority given his age.
If he's leaving for trophies rather than money then City are the best bet but City haven't traditionally spend massive money. Think KdB is still their record transfer isn't he?
A club would have to be ok with the optics of this as well - over £100m for a footballer when the country is still struggling to get out of lockdown.
My guess is that he's still at Spurs next season.
posted on 18/5/21
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 10 seconds ago
I can't see it personally; if the fee sought is anything like the estimated (/media quoted) £150m then who's paying it?
Barca are apparently struggling with debt, RM's income has fallen massively. PSG is a possibility but they have a fight on their hands to keep Mbappe, who must surely be their priority given his age.
If he's leaving for trophies rather than money then City are the best bet but City haven't traditionally spend massive money. Think KdB is still their record transfer isn't he?
A club would have to be ok with the optics of this as well - over £100m for a footballer when the country is still struggling to get out of lockdown.
My guess is that he's still at Spurs next season.
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Dias I think is their record by at around £65M. Not peanuts but they'd have to smash their record more than twice over to get him. I can't see it either. The thing is I also don't want a miserable player in the squad for next season. It could affect morale if the one they all look up to clearly wants out. I've no doubt he'd still put in the performances but it's not great for any new manager coming in if from the outset he has someone who wants out but the door is locked. Tricky situation for any manager to deal with.
posted on 18/5/21
comment by Insufferable-Piffle, just in case, I'm so... (U4388)
posted 1 hour, 41 minutes ago
Sandy, you wouldn't play him IF he does want to leave?
What would happen then moving forward if an suitable bid isn't accepted, would he continue to be
kept on the bench or would he then be played?
I feel Harry is the kinda man who would put out the same level of effort whether he wanted to leave or not, imo only of course
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I personally would not entertain playing him if he says he wants to leave. What would be the point? I suspect though lots of this could be newspaper and media bollox, so let`s just wait and see.
posted on 18/5/21
comment by Phenom - you're a wizard Graham (U20037)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash - "like a pack of cards" (U21935)
posted 3 minutes ago
In the current market 100m is the ceiling
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then he isnt leaving is he
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I agree.
Doesn't seem like the type of player to sulk either so Spurs should get away with holding onto him without any fuss.
So unless City or United decide they want to break the bank he's staying put.
posted on 18/5/21
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 18 minutes ago
Firstly, it's not bollox Sandy. The timing and sheer volume of reports points to this being a strategic move from Harry's team. Those journos would have been been briefed long before the story emerged. It had the feel of a cohesively planned deluge rather than a single report from one source repeated by other media outlets. He definitely wants out. It's now about whether we get the figure the club wants, which I have my doubts about.
To not regard him as a legend of the club despite the fact that he's second only to Greaves in the all time goalscoring charts is absurd. So he didn't win a trophy. Many don't. Is Matt Le Tissier a Southampton legend? Of course he is. Didn't win a teapot. Is Andy Sinton a Spurs legend? Nowhere near it, but he did win a medal for the 1999 League Cup. You can't measure someone's legendary status by silverware alone.
Harry Kane is a Spurs legend regardless of what happens over the next few months.
I agree with you about moving on though. We have to. Take the money, start afresh with a new canvas. I really don't think we will be selling him this summer though. I just don't think clubs have the money Levy wants. If he does take a low end bid it's because the club are desperate for the money. My feeling is that he'll accept nothing less than £150M and for a 28 year old with no real sell on value, he just won't get it. This one is gonna drag and drag and could get really nasty, which I really don't want to see.
Of all the huge players to have left Spurs over my lifetime, Harry is the one I'd send off with the greatest blessings. He deserves a crack at the CL, Prem or any of the other big trophies that we can't offer him. We all know that if we were competing at the top end for those trophies, he'd have been a Spurs lifer. that's good enough for me. Let the boy fly for christ's sake. He's too good for us.
Oh, and to suggest he gets dropped against Villa is frankly laughable.
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If and when Kane leaves Spurs, then he ceases to be of any interest to me, and frankly I could not care what he does or does not win. As I have always said I am only interested in Spurs. The club always comes first with me not the players. Whilst they are at Spurs they get my backing, once they leave, they just become another player, whom I have zero interest in.
posted on 18/5/21
comment by sandy, Ryan Mason, super league boss for 24 hours (U20567)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Insufferable-Piffle, just in case, I'm so... (U4388)
posted 1 hour, 41 minutes ago
Sandy, you wouldn't play him IF he does want to leave?
What would happen then moving forward if an suitable bid isn't accepted, would he continue to be
kept on the bench or would he then be played?
I feel Harry is the kinda man who would put out the same level of effort whether he wanted to leave or not, imo only of course
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I personally would not entertain playing him if he says he wants to leave. What would be the point? I suspect though lots of this could be newspaper and media bollox, so let`s just wait and see.
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And what would that do to his overall value? Think of it in business terms. If you publicly leave an asset on the sidelines deeming him surplus to requirements for an extended period, you run the risk of his value depreciating.
He's not a dummy thrower. He's got a self-motivation that means he'll play well for himself, not for any particular club. I don't think his level would drop much.
The impact on other players that look up to him though might be affected. What does it say when your best player clearly wants to leave but isn't allowed to? It doesn't reflect well on the owners and the squad will likely lose any remaining respect they had left for the hierarchy. In other words, most players would be thinking "if that's how they treat one of their best ever players, why would I want to play for a team like that".
posted on 18/5/21
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 10 seconds ago
I can't see it personally; if the fee sought is anything like the estimated (/media quoted) £150m then who's paying it?
Barca are apparently struggling with debt, RM's income has fallen massively. PSG is a possibility but they have a fight on their hands to keep Mbappe, who must surely be their priority given his age.
If he's leaving for trophies rather than money then City are the best bet but City haven't traditionally spend massive money. Think KdB is still their record transfer isn't he?
A club would have to be ok with the optics of this as well - over £100m for a footballer when the country is still struggling to get out of lockdown.
My guess is that he's still at Spurs next season.
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Dias I think is their record by at around £65M. Not peanuts but they'd have to smash their record more than twice over to get him. I can't see it either. The thing is I also don't want a miserable player in the squad for next season. It could affect morale if the one they all look up to clearly wants out. I've no doubt he'd still put in the performances but it's not great for any new manager coming in if from the outset he has someone who wants out but the door is locked. Tricky situation for any manager to deal with.
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Why would he be miserable, he is under contract, let him finish it. He can leave for nothing in three years time. If he doesn`t want to play for the club and strops about, then he sits on the bench. I suspect though he won`t strop a move, if the club say know he will knuckle down.
posted on 18/5/21
Post covid you would imagine most wouldn't have the money, beyond City, maybe Chelsea.
If those two weren't forthcoming, keeping Kane for a further year, although great for the team and fans, would potentially see his value plummet either way.
Nobody is paying 100 million plus for a player pushing 30, even after a full season of increased revenue when fans return.
posted on 18/5/21
comment by sandy, Ryan Mason, super league boss for 24 hours (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 18 minutes ago
Firstly, it's not bollox Sandy. The timing and sheer volume of reports points to this being a strategic move from Harry's team. Those journos would have been been briefed long before the story emerged. It had the feel of a cohesively planned deluge rather than a single report from one source repeated by other media outlets. He definitely wants out. It's now about whether we get the figure the club wants, which I have my doubts about.
To not regard him as a legend of the club despite the fact that he's second only to Greaves in the all time goalscoring charts is absurd. So he didn't win a trophy. Many don't. Is Matt Le Tissier a Southampton legend? Of course he is. Didn't win a teapot. Is Andy Sinton a Spurs legend? Nowhere near it, but he did win a medal for the 1999 League Cup. You can't measure someone's legendary status by silverware alone.
Harry Kane is a Spurs legend regardless of what happens over the next few months.
I agree with you about moving on though. We have to. Take the money, start afresh with a new canvas. I really don't think we will be selling him this summer though. I just don't think clubs have the money Levy wants. If he does take a low end bid it's because the club are desperate for the money. My feeling is that he'll accept nothing less than £150M and for a 28 year old with no real sell on value, he just won't get it. This one is gonna drag and drag and could get really nasty, which I really don't want to see.
Of all the huge players to have left Spurs over my lifetime, Harry is the one I'd send off with the greatest blessings. He deserves a crack at the CL, Prem or any of the other big trophies that we can't offer him. We all know that if we were competing at the top end for those trophies, he'd have been a Spurs lifer. that's good enough for me. Let the boy fly for christ's sake. He's too good for us.
Oh, and to suggest he gets dropped against Villa is frankly laughable.
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If and when Kane leaves Spurs, then he ceases to be of any interest to me, and frankly I could not care what he does or does not win. As I have always said I am only interested in Spurs. The club always comes first with me not the players. Whilst they are at Spurs they get my backing, once they leave, they just become another player, whom I have zero interest in.
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Of course the club always comes first and if you face an old spurs player who has since moved on, you want them to have an absolutely nightmare against us. Totally get that but for our very best players that move on I always retain an affection for them and wish them well, aside from Campbell. I think it depends on their level of service with us. I have strong affections for both Bale and Modric (when Bale was at Madrid) as they both stayed a long time and offered us so much. Berbatov less so as he was only with us for I think 2 seasons before he jumped ship. I think the manner of his departure also played a part. You could argue Modric caused a stink with the whole Chelsea thing but both him and Bale stuck around for a further season after asking to leave.
I love it when a club legend / former manager returns to play us and they get an amazing reception. I'm pretty sure that were we ever to face a Pochettino team again, 60,000 fans will all be singing in unison "He's magic, you know...". Some figures deserve that recognition and I hope that wherever Kane goes he comes back to the most amazing reception you'll ever hear. He deserves it. What are we as a club if we can't appreciate legends of the past? We do it with retired players all the time. It would be nice to show that appreciation to players still kicking a ball around, regardless of their club affiliation.
posted on 18/5/21
Do you reckon he has something in the last contract he signed about being able to leave if certain things did or didn't happen, like get top 4 or no trophies or if a certain figure comes in for him, they will have to listen etc....
posted on 18/5/21
Don't really understand the fuss. End of the day lesser clubs like yours always end up losing their best players to the big boys. The money should be welcomed and will probably give you a shot at getting back to the top four for a year or two.
posted on 18/5/21
comment by Cinciwolf---A top 20 brand in world football (U11551)
posted 5 minutes ago
Don't really understand the fuss. End of the day lesser clubs like yours always end up losing their best players to the big boys. The money should be welcomed and will probably give you a shot at getting back to the top four for a year or two.
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Wummed by a Wolves fan. I'e seen it all now. Is this how low we've sunk?
posted on 18/5/21
If I were Levy, I'd try to convince Kane to stay one more season (like United did with Ronaldo in 2008) on the promise he's allowed to leave the following summer. There's reason to believe the market will be more favourable in 12 months, with buying clubs' finances in a better position and more clubs in the market for a centre forward due to the recruitment cycles. Play it well and Spurs get another year of service, and a bigger fee at the end of it, and Kane doesn't feel demotivated.
I still have big doubts that a deal can be done this season. Too big a gap between what Spurs would need and what buying clubs can afford. Too much a risk of funding Spurs' rebuilding project while snookering themselves from investing across their squads.
posted on 18/5/21
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 11 minutes ago
Do you reckon he has something in the last contract he signed about being able to leave if certain things did or didn't happen, like get top 4 or no trophies or if a certain figure comes in for him, they will have to listen etc....
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It'll be some worthless nonsense that says something like "in the event that no Champions League place is acquired for the following season, said player can leave with our blessing providing another club meets our valuation". That'll be it. No clear number on the valuation. Levy is the master of contract caveats that allow him to shift the goalposts when necessary.
There's no way he'd allow him to leave for a specific amount. Even the Reguillon deal was a surprise at the time as he doesn't normally go for buy-back options, particularly for specific figures. He won't take that risk with Kane though.
My guess is that the contract will allude to certain freedoms without actually allowing it in black and white. Levy's contracts will be full of grey areas.
posted on 18/5/21
Ronaldo was only 23 and won the CL when he decided to stay for another year. Kane hasn't won anything and is nearly 28. I reckon he will leave but this time Levy won't get to mug another club off. I reckon he will go for £100m.
posted on 18/5/21
If Kane stays another year his value will decrease so Kane can use that as a way to get out without Levy putting a ridiculous price on him. 3 years left on his contract.
posted on 18/5/21
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 3 minutes ago
If I were Levy, I'd try to convince Kane to stay one more season (like United did with Ronaldo in 2008) on the promise he's allowed to leave the following summer. There's reason to believe the market will be more favourable in 12 months, with buying clubs' finances in a better position and more clubs in the market for a centre forward due to the recruitment cycles. Play it well and Spurs get another year of service, and a bigger fee at the end of it, and Kane doesn't feel demotivated.
I still have big doubts that a deal can be done this season. Too big a gap between what Spurs would need and what buying clubs can afford. Too much a risk of funding Spurs' rebuilding project while snookering themselves from investing across their squads.
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Exactly what I've said before. We could, in theory, end up with a larger transfer fee with Kane on 2 years than we would now on 3. It's absurd but until confidence returns to the market, we'll only really get bids under £100M this summer. Levy just won't accept that.
posted on 18/5/21
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 minutes ago
If I were Levy, I'd try to convince Kane to stay one more season (like United did with Ronaldo in 2008) on the promise he's allowed to leave the following summer. There's reason to believe the market will be more favourable in 12 months, with buying clubs' finances in a better position and more clubs in the market for a centre forward due to the recruitment cycles. Play it well and Spurs get another year of service, and a bigger fee at the end of it, and Kane doesn't feel demotivated.
I still have big doubts that a deal can be done this season. Too big a gap between what Spurs would need and what buying clubs can afford. Too much a risk of funding Spurs' rebuilding project while snookering themselves from investing across their squads.
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Isn't that what (the media are reporting) Kane believes he has already? A gentleman's agreement that he can leave this summer?
I still don't think anyone will pay the price Levy will want but if what is being reported is accurate (big if admittedly) then the 'one last year' card has already been played.
posted on 18/5/21
comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 5 seconds ago
If Kane stays another year his value will decrease so Kane can use that as a way to get out without Levy putting a ridiculous price on him. 3 years left on his contract.
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I don't think it will decrease. This summer is like no other. Sell him now and you're selling in a market where no buyer will bid beyond maybe 60% of his value. Wait a year for the gates receipts and financial confidence to return and I think we could get closer to 100%. 100% transfer value on a player with 2 years left will likely be higher than 60% on a player with 3 years left.
If Levy does sell for circa £100m this summer, it's because the club is in more financial debt than we all thought. Desperation can make clubs do odd things. Remember when we bought out Southamptons sell on fee for Bale for a further 2M? I think they lost about 20-30M from that but they were desperate at the time. We might be too but I doubt Levy will sanction it. He's a shrewd operator.
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