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Botman - not seen much of him but ticks a lot of boxes on paper
Kounde - doubt we have any chance
Aarons - still not sold on him, he wasnt great in the PL a season ago
Lamptey - recently signed contract, would cost a bomb and will be others interested who might better tempt him
Gravenberch - will google him
Berge - decent but got relegated
Soumare - joining Leicester
McNeil - pretty good, wouldnt hate the signing
Wirtz - will google him
Malen - will google him
its all on recruitment and having a set plan and model, which we havent had for years now.
as for the Kane story, nothing has changed from a few months ago, was never the case that 'he will leave' or even is likely to. Just hes frustrated clearly but will be very difficult to leave unless City spend £150m on him.
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
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Was discussing something similar the other day and if you look at when we sold Coutinho, who was at the time our best/second best player, we could go out and spend money on the two positions we were really short in and spend world record fees on a CB and Keeper.
The issue I think spurs have, is you can sell Kane for say 130 million, but realistically you need a RB, 2x CBs, CM and 2x CFs. And you'll need most of them to be players that are "right" something that spurs don't seem to have done with their big money signings.
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didnt do this when we were at a position of strength, instead we signed no one.
Eriksen could have been sold for say £80m years ago when we were a top 3 team in the league and that could have been invested in a CB, RB and CM which have been weaknesses ever since then.
always more difficult for spurs to sell players with Levy being difficult to deal with.
I actually think you guys in recent years have been getting players similar to what you mentioned. Young players, with talent, getting signed at the ‘rights’ stage of their career and for a good price to boot.
Ndombele, Bergwijn, Lo Celso, to some extent Hojberg
Selling Coutinho made sense for Liverpool as he didn’t *quite* suit the style, his stock was high and there was a replacement in place.
We don’t really have an equivalent - probably Dier we should have got rid of after 15/16, or maybe Dele after 17/18. However Eriksen was always way too integral in how our team played and wouldn’t have got the return compensating what he was worth.
Selling Walker was smart - we just missed the open goal of Perreira as a replacement.
helped Coutinho was Brazilian
Agree with the OP, though to be fair there's not many clubs who deliver this sort of strategy with any sort of consistent success. I think it's fair to say most if not all clubs (outside the elite ones) want to do it this way.
As for Spurs not buying from a position of strength/now having too many positions in need of attention: I bang on about it all the time, but this is literally what happens when a club goes 18 months without bringing in any new faces. The collateral damage from that clusterfock really can't be overstated.
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 1 minute ago
Agree with the OP, though to be fair there's not many clubs who deliver this sort of strategy with any sort of consistent success. I think it's fair to say most if not all clubs (outside the elite ones) want to do it this way.
As for Spurs not buying from a position of strength/now having too many positions in need of attention: I bang on about it all the time, but this is literally what happens when a club goes 18 months without bringing in any new faces. The collateral damage from that clusterfock really can't be overstated.
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Agreed
Whilst I hate the media spin, and all the mouthy little fans from other clubs giving their 2 pence worth, this may not be a bad thing in the long run.
First, whilst Kane is a hell of a player, he has not been good enough to win us anything, frequently having poor "big" games.
Second, it is always unhealthy to get to a stage when one player IS bigger than a club. We are at that stage, and have been for a couple of years now. The downside is the whole club relies too much on one player, and this actually has an overall negative effect on the team.
The key is to 1. maximise ( in Levy speak, squeeze ) as much money as we can get for him. 2. spend wisely, not like we did with the Bale money, Eriksen apart.
As Phenom quite rightly says, with hindsight it looks like selling Eriksen around 2018 would have been the better option than what panned out.
Who's to say we won't be sitting here in 2 years time with Kane at 30, one year left on his contract, having finished 6th/7th/8th, wishing we'd sold him for £150 mill this summer rather than the £50 mill we'd get for him by then? Which seems more likely, that, or he scores enough goals on his own with barely any further investment in the team to get us back in the top four?
comment by LukaBrasi #RentFree Patience - We never forget. (U22178)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 1 minute ago
Agree with the OP, though to be fair there's not many clubs who deliver this sort of strategy with any sort of consistent success. I think it's fair to say most if not all clubs (outside the elite ones) want to do it this way.
As for Spurs not buying from a position of strength/now having too many positions in need of attention: I bang on about it all the time, but this is literally what happens when a club goes 18 months without bringing in any new faces. The collateral damage from that clusterfock really can't be overstated.
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Whilst I hate the media spin
could have fooled me!
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Selling Eriksen back in 2018 would have amounted to some posters on ja606 committing suicide. The uproar from fans would have forced Levy to keep him under his contract.
I do agree - it's only the top, top clubs who tend to keep their players for as long as they want, most other clubs have to sell.
Every year there is a team in Europe who overachieve (Ajax, Leipzig, Monaco, Sevilla etc.) who end up having their squad picked apart - that didn't happen to us after the Champions League Final and low and behold we have gone stale.
This is what Poch's 'painful rebuild' comments were all about, you have to recycle to squad to keep the mentality strong and the players fresh, not just keep adding pieces and hoping it all comes together. The system then becomes more important than the players and you can go down the route of these clubs who continue to succeed despite high turnover.
I HATE to see Kane go but let's face it he deserves to go if he wants and we can use this as a time to rebuild
comment by LukaBrasi #RentFree Patience - We never forget. (U22178)
posted 3 minutes ago
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Selling Eriksen back in 2018 would have amounted to some posters on ja606 committing suicide. The uproar from fans would have forced Levy to keep him under his contract.
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I don't disagree, but those fans then can't say now that we should have sold him. So for me, any who are saying the same about Kane now (sell him and we cause uproar) might just be part of the problem!
That's easier said than done. We're needing good decisions to be made to move us in the right direction from people who have a history of making bad decisions.
Sacking Steve Hitchen should be our first good decision.
comment by LukaBrasi #RentFree Patience - We never forget. (U22178)
posted 24 minutes ago
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Selling Eriksen back in 2018 would have amounted to some posters on ja606 committing suicide. The uproar from fans would have forced Levy to keep him under his contract.
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well itll be 3 times as bad if Kane goes this summer on top of everything else the club have made the fans suicidal about
comment by Phenom - you're a wizard Graham (U20037)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi #RentFree Patience - We never forget. (U22178)
posted 24 minutes ago
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Selling Eriksen back in 2018 would have amounted to some posters on ja606 committing suicide. The uproar from fans would have forced Levy to keep him under his contract.
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well itll be 3 times as bad if Kane goes this summer on top of everything else the club have made the fans suicidal about
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But most fans wish him and want him to win things so what's the problem?
The mistake was not investing when we were at our best in 2017/2018. Those summers we sold our best right back to a rival and bought in a couple of clowns in Sanchez and Aurier.
I reckon if we had bought players like Bergwijn, Ndombele or Lo Celso when we were good they would have fitted in nicely. I still think these three are good players and will show it next season if we bring in the right manager.
comment by Phenom - you're a wizard Graham (U20037)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi #RentFree Patience - We never forget. (U22178)
posted 24 minutes ago
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Selling Eriksen back in 2018 would have amounted to some posters on ja606 committing suicide. The uproar from fans would have forced Levy to keep him under his contract.
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well itll be 3 times as bad if Kane goes this summer on top of everything else the club have made the fans suicidal about
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Maybe, but it'll be 10 times as bad for the club as a whole if we let what happened to Eriksen happen to Kane
Problem is Levy and his need to control transfers completely.
Levy would sell Kane at the last minute giving us no opportunity to do anything with the funds.
We really do need a DOF that has a reasonable amount of control over transfers.
Took the words right out of my mouth SpursBoy, including the choice for manager.
Selling Kane now, assuming someone stumps up the 150M which I very much doubt, would be necessary for us to move forward anyway. I'm sure the Liverpool fans were crying over the sale of Coutinho, until they used that money to buy Allison and VVD and never looked back. There's an imbalance in our squad. Kane is miles ahead of everyone else so all you've got is a disgruntled player propping up everyone else. That's not great for him and not great for the balance and self-esteem of the rest of the squad. We're back where we were in 2013 when Bale was itching to move. Time for a new canvas and a return to buying young talent. You're right, somewhere along the line we stopped selling players at peak level which has not only hit the finances but also the freshness of the squad. Players have been allowed to stay beyond their sell by date and lose value. 5-10 years ago, we'd never have allowed Eriksen's contract to run that far down. It's happening to others now too.
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posted on 18/5/21
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posted on 18/5/21
Botman - not seen much of him but ticks a lot of boxes on paper
Kounde - doubt we have any chance
Aarons - still not sold on him, he wasnt great in the PL a season ago
Lamptey - recently signed contract, would cost a bomb and will be others interested who might better tempt him
Gravenberch - will google him
Berge - decent but got relegated
Soumare - joining Leicester
McNeil - pretty good, wouldnt hate the signing
Wirtz - will google him
Malen - will google him
its all on recruitment and having a set plan and model, which we havent had for years now.
as for the Kane story, nothing has changed from a few months ago, was never the case that 'he will leave' or even is likely to. Just hes frustrated clearly but will be very difficult to leave unless City spend £150m on him.
posted on 18/5/21
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 1 minute ago
Was discussing something similar the other day and if you look at when we sold Coutinho, who was at the time our best/second best player, we could go out and spend money on the two positions we were really short in and spend world record fees on a CB and Keeper.
The issue I think spurs have, is you can sell Kane for say 130 million, but realistically you need a RB, 2x CBs, CM and 2x CFs. And you'll need most of them to be players that are "right" something that spurs don't seem to have done with their big money signings.
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didnt do this when we were at a position of strength, instead we signed no one.
Eriksen could have been sold for say £80m years ago when we were a top 3 team in the league and that could have been invested in a CB, RB and CM which have been weaknesses ever since then.
always more difficult for spurs to sell players with Levy being difficult to deal with.
posted on 18/5/21
I actually think you guys in recent years have been getting players similar to what you mentioned. Young players, with talent, getting signed at the ‘rights’ stage of their career and for a good price to boot.
Ndombele, Bergwijn, Lo Celso, to some extent Hojberg
posted on 18/5/21
Selling Coutinho made sense for Liverpool as he didn’t *quite* suit the style, his stock was high and there was a replacement in place.
We don’t really have an equivalent - probably Dier we should have got rid of after 15/16, or maybe Dele after 17/18. However Eriksen was always way too integral in how our team played and wouldn’t have got the return compensating what he was worth.
Selling Walker was smart - we just missed the open goal of Perreira as a replacement.
posted on 18/5/21
helped Coutinho was Brazilian
posted on 18/5/21
Agree with the OP, though to be fair there's not many clubs who deliver this sort of strategy with any sort of consistent success. I think it's fair to say most if not all clubs (outside the elite ones) want to do it this way.
As for Spurs not buying from a position of strength/now having too many positions in need of attention: I bang on about it all the time, but this is literally what happens when a club goes 18 months without bringing in any new faces. The collateral damage from that clusterfock really can't be overstated.
posted on 18/5/21
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 1 minute ago
Agree with the OP, though to be fair there's not many clubs who deliver this sort of strategy with any sort of consistent success. I think it's fair to say most if not all clubs (outside the elite ones) want to do it this way.
As for Spurs not buying from a position of strength/now having too many positions in need of attention: I bang on about it all the time, but this is literally what happens when a club goes 18 months without bringing in any new faces. The collateral damage from that clusterfock really can't be overstated.
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Agreed
posted on 18/5/21
Whilst I hate the media spin, and all the mouthy little fans from other clubs giving their 2 pence worth, this may not be a bad thing in the long run.
First, whilst Kane is a hell of a player, he has not been good enough to win us anything, frequently having poor "big" games.
Second, it is always unhealthy to get to a stage when one player IS bigger than a club. We are at that stage, and have been for a couple of years now. The downside is the whole club relies too much on one player, and this actually has an overall negative effect on the team.
The key is to 1. maximise ( in Levy speak, squeeze ) as much money as we can get for him. 2. spend wisely, not like we did with the Bale money, Eriksen apart.
posted on 18/5/21
As Phenom quite rightly says, with hindsight it looks like selling Eriksen around 2018 would have been the better option than what panned out.
Who's to say we won't be sitting here in 2 years time with Kane at 30, one year left on his contract, having finished 6th/7th/8th, wishing we'd sold him for £150 mill this summer rather than the £50 mill we'd get for him by then? Which seems more likely, that, or he scores enough goals on his own with barely any further investment in the team to get us back in the top four?
posted on 18/5/21
comment by LukaBrasi #RentFree Patience - We never forget. (U22178)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 1 minute ago
Agree with the OP, though to be fair there's not many clubs who deliver this sort of strategy with any sort of consistent success. I think it's fair to say most if not all clubs (outside the elite ones) want to do it this way.
As for Spurs not buying from a position of strength/now having too many positions in need of attention: I bang on about it all the time, but this is literally what happens when a club goes 18 months without bringing in any new faces. The collateral damage from that clusterfock really can't be overstated.
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posted on 18/5/21
Whilst I hate the media spin
could have fooled me!
posted on 18/5/21
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Selling Eriksen back in 2018 would have amounted to some posters on ja606 committing suicide. The uproar from fans would have forced Levy to keep him under his contract.
posted on 18/5/21
I do agree - it's only the top, top clubs who tend to keep their players for as long as they want, most other clubs have to sell.
Every year there is a team in Europe who overachieve (Ajax, Leipzig, Monaco, Sevilla etc.) who end up having their squad picked apart - that didn't happen to us after the Champions League Final and low and behold we have gone stale.
This is what Poch's 'painful rebuild' comments were all about, you have to recycle to squad to keep the mentality strong and the players fresh, not just keep adding pieces and hoping it all comes together. The system then becomes more important than the players and you can go down the route of these clubs who continue to succeed despite high turnover.
I HATE to see Kane go but let's face it he deserves to go if he wants and we can use this as a time to rebuild
posted on 18/5/21
comment by LukaBrasi #RentFree Patience - We never forget. (U22178)
posted 3 minutes ago
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Selling Eriksen back in 2018 would have amounted to some posters on ja606 committing suicide. The uproar from fans would have forced Levy to keep him under his contract.
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I don't disagree, but those fans then can't say now that we should have sold him. So for me, any who are saying the same about Kane now (sell him and we cause uproar) might just be part of the problem!
posted on 18/5/21
That's easier said than done. We're needing good decisions to be made to move us in the right direction from people who have a history of making bad decisions.
posted on 18/5/21
Sacking Steve Hitchen should be our first good decision.
posted on 18/5/21
comment by LukaBrasi #RentFree Patience - We never forget. (U22178)
posted 24 minutes ago
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Selling Eriksen back in 2018 would have amounted to some posters on ja606 committing suicide. The uproar from fans would have forced Levy to keep him under his contract.
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well itll be 3 times as bad if Kane goes this summer on top of everything else the club have made the fans suicidal about
posted on 18/5/21
bye felicia
posted on 18/5/21
comment by Phenom - you're a wizard Graham (U20037)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi #RentFree Patience - We never forget. (U22178)
posted 24 minutes ago
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Selling Eriksen back in 2018 would have amounted to some posters on ja606 committing suicide. The uproar from fans would have forced Levy to keep him under his contract.
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well itll be 3 times as bad if Kane goes this summer on top of everything else the club have made the fans suicidal about
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But most fans wish him and want him to win things so what's the problem?
posted on 18/5/21
Wish him well*
posted on 18/5/21
The mistake was not investing when we were at our best in 2017/2018. Those summers we sold our best right back to a rival and bought in a couple of clowns in Sanchez and Aurier.
I reckon if we had bought players like Bergwijn, Ndombele or Lo Celso when we were good they would have fitted in nicely. I still think these three are good players and will show it next season if we bring in the right manager.
posted on 18/5/21
comment by Phenom - you're a wizard Graham (U20037)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi #RentFree Patience - We never forget. (U22178)
posted 24 minutes ago
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Selling Eriksen back in 2018 would have amounted to some posters on ja606 committing suicide. The uproar from fans would have forced Levy to keep him under his contract.
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well itll be 3 times as bad if Kane goes this summer on top of everything else the club have made the fans suicidal about
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Maybe, but it'll be 10 times as bad for the club as a whole if we let what happened to Eriksen happen to Kane
posted on 18/5/21
Problem is Levy and his need to control transfers completely.
Levy would sell Kane at the last minute giving us no opportunity to do anything with the funds.
We really do need a DOF that has a reasonable amount of control over transfers.
posted on 18/5/21
Took the words right out of my mouth SpursBoy, including the choice for manager.
Selling Kane now, assuming someone stumps up the 150M which I very much doubt, would be necessary for us to move forward anyway. I'm sure the Liverpool fans were crying over the sale of Coutinho, until they used that money to buy Allison and VVD and never looked back. There's an imbalance in our squad. Kane is miles ahead of everyone else so all you've got is a disgruntled player propping up everyone else. That's not great for him and not great for the balance and self-esteem of the rest of the squad. We're back where we were in 2013 when Bale was itching to move. Time for a new canvas and a return to buying young talent. You're right, somewhere along the line we stopped selling players at peak level which has not only hit the finances but also the freshness of the squad. Players have been allowed to stay beyond their sell by date and lose value. 5-10 years ago, we'd never have allowed Eriksen's contract to run that far down. It's happening to others now too.
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