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posted on 18/5/21

comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. (U7905)
posted 1 minute ago
The mistake was not investing when we were at our best in 2017/2018. Those summers we sold our best right back to a rival and bought in a couple of clowns in Sanchez and Aurier.

I reckon if we had bought players like Bergwijn, Ndombele or Lo Celso when we were good they would have fitted in nicely. I still think these three are good players and will show it next season if we bring in the right manager.
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Yepp spot on.

There is another argument to say that Poch clambered for this rebuild. but if Sanchez and Aurier were a sign of the types of players he would have signed had he been given the license to sell who he wanted to and reinvest, maybe giving him that responsibility wouldn't have been the best idea!

posted on 18/5/21

Op

Decent article, but haven`t Spurs recruited lots of young players already over the past few seasons, Rodon 24, Sessignon 21, Bergwijn 23, Gedson Fernandes 22, Sanchez 24, Clarke 20, Regulion 24 etc etc

Most of those have been proved to be not very good. So not sure Spurs haven`t tried going down the route of purchasing young players, just that most of them have not been up to it.

posted on 18/5/21

5-10 years ago, we'd never have allowed Eriksen's contract to run that far down. It's happening to others now too.
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When our players started running down their contracts, Wenger did predict that this would happen more often in PL , it was inevitable tbh

posted on 18/5/21

comment by sandy, Ryan Mason, super league boss for 24 hours (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
Op

Decent article, but haven`t Spurs recruited lots of young players already over the past few seasons, Rodon 24, Sessignon 21, Bergwijn 23, Gedson Fernandes 22, Sanchez 24, Clarke 20, Regulion 24 etc etc

Most of those have been proved to be not very good. So not sure Spurs haven`t tried going down the route of purchasing young players, just that most of them have not been up to it.
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Fair point - as you say, a few of those haven't been up to it. Apart from Gedson I'd say all of those still have a decent shout of being in our first team in 2 years time, especially Reguilon, Sessegnon, Bergwijn and Rodon..

The other point to make related to buying young is it's easier to get some funds back if you do stumble upon a dud. E.g. Sanchez - I still reckon clubs would stump up £25 million or so for him, thinking that they could turn his fortunes around. Whereas we would be lucky to get 2 quid for Matt Doherty for instance!

posted on 18/5/21

The Stadium is a millstone around your neck

posted on 18/5/21

Do we really want to be a big club? If we do then we should be keeping Kane AND investing elsewhere to bring the squad up to a top level. Kane is more important to us than the money, because who else could we buy who is as good and proven? No one.

The problem is that we all know Levy won't put the money in to the squad that we need, so it becomes a decision of sell Kane or invest.

And in his defence, Levy is trying to run the club in a financially sensible way. We can't do what City / Chelsea / Utd do.

So we're a bit stuck in that we talk the big club talk, but don't back it up when we really need to. You can see why Levy wanted to join the ESL - to ge the money that would elevate us (terrible idea).

The one exception is Leicester - A league title, FA cup and CL qualifications in the last five years without spending silly transfer fees (what was Tielemans, £40m). Absolute hats off to them, remarkably well run club.

posted on 18/5/21

comment by HB Fash - "like a pack of cards" (U21935)
posted 5 minutes ago
The Stadium is a millstone around your neck
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I liked the old ground, the new stadium is like a shiny dicckk and we're just the balls dragging along.

comment by Phenom (U20037)

posted on 18/5/21

the club have every right to be outraged by the breaking of this news especially at this time. especially as its understood he hasnt even asked to leave like being reported.

posted on 18/5/21

comment by HB Fash - "like a pack of cards" (U21935)
posted 13 minutes ago
The Stadium is a millstone around your neck
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Not really, it easily pays for itself and more when fans are allowed back in.

comment by Spurtle (U1608)

posted on 18/5/21

comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. (U7905)
posted 12 minutes ago
The mistake was not investing when we were at our best in 2017/2018. Those summers we sold our best right back to a rival and bought in a couple of clowns in Sanchez and Aurier.

I reckon if we had bought players like Bergwijn, Ndombele or Lo Celso when we were good they would have fitted in nicely. I still think these three are good players and will show it next season if we bring in the right manager.
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The summer of no spending was equally as damaging. When I think of where the club could be now if we'd bought Grealish. This could have led to Eriksen being sold sooner and for more money.

The general lack of ambition shown through several windows is why this team started downing tools under Poch and why Poch himself probably lost a bit of focus. If we'd remained ambitious enough throughout then getting to a CL final despite losing it, could have been a boost for the team and manager that we were heading in the right direction and they'd have maintained their levels, like Liverpool. But because of Spurs showing a lack of ambition up to that point it's why they felt this was going to be their one and only chance. Poch pretty much said it himself about leaving if he won the CL.

Then again if we'd shown enough ambition we may have won something before that point.

posted on 18/5/21

Munich taking Dortmunds players doesn't really tell the whole picture tbh. Munich can afford pretty much anyone as they are so well run. Have stacks of cash and no debt. If they can't buy someone because of FFP no one can.

posted on 18/5/21

comment by Phenom - you're a wizard Graham (U20037)
posted 3 minutes ago
the club have every right to be outraged by the breaking of this news especially at this time. especially as its understood he hasnt even asked to leave like being reported.


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He has asked to leave. He just hasn't put in an official transfer request.

posted on 18/5/21

comment by NotSoMagicJuande (U1913)
posted 1 minute ago
Do we really want to be a big club? If we do then we should be keeping Kane AND investing elsewhere to bring the squad up to a top level. Kane is more important to us than the money, because who else could we buy who is as good and proven? No one.

The problem is that we all know Levy won't put the money in to the squad that we need, so it becomes a decision of sell Kane or invest.

And in his defence, Levy is trying to run the club in a financially sensible way. We can't do what City / Chelsea / Utd do.

So we're a bit stuck in that we talk the big club talk, but don't back it up when we really need to. You can see why Levy wanted to join the ESL - to ge the money that would elevate us (terrible idea).

The one exception is Leicester - A league title, FA cup and CL qualifications in the last five years without spending silly transfer fees (what was Tielemans, £40m). Absolute hats off to them, remarkably well run club.
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I agree in the sentiment of your post in that we need to temper our expectations. Many people talk about us not winning a trophy since 2008 - we're not the only ones in that boat, either. I believe Inter's Serie A win this season was their first trophy in about 10 years. Everton haven't won a thing since 1995. When you evaluate what we're up against, I still think we're punching above our weight.

posted on 18/5/21

FridgeTK

posted on 18/5/21

comment by SpursBoy101 (U21819)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by sandy, Ryan Mason, super league boss for 24 hours (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
Op

Decent article, but haven`t Spurs recruited lots of young players already over the past few seasons, Rodon 24, Sessignon 21, Bergwijn 23, Gedson Fernandes 22, Sanchez 24, Clarke 20, Regulion 24 etc etc

Most of those have been proved to be not very good. So not sure Spurs haven`t tried going down the route of purchasing young players, just that most of them have not been up to it.
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Fair point - as you say, a few of those haven't been up to it. Apart from Gedson I'd say all of those still have a decent shout of being in our first team in 2 years time, especially Reguilon, Sessegnon, Bergwijn and Rodon..

The other point to make related to buying young is it's easier to get some funds back if you do stumble upon a dud. E.g. Sanchez - I still reckon clubs would stump up £25 million or so for him, thinking that they could turn his fortunes around. Whereas we would be lucky to get 2 quid for Matt Doherty for instance!
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Two quid for Matt Doherty would be absolute robbery. Although I am willing to give him a bit more time, as it was his first season, and he has been injured.

posted on 18/5/21

Apparently we’ve already enquired in to Haaland but ran away from his wage demands

Wouldn’t be surprised to see Kane end up at City with Jesus coming to us in the deal.

posted on 18/5/21

comment by NotSoMagicJuande (U1913)
posted 17 minutes ago
Do we really want to be a big club? If we do then we should be keeping Kane AND investing elsewhere to bring the squad up to a top level. Kane is more important to us than the money, because who else could we buy who is as good and proven? No one.

The problem is that we all know Levy won't put the money in to the squad that we need, so it becomes a decision of sell Kane or invest.

And in his defence, Levy is trying to run the club in a financially sensible way. We can't do what City / Chelsea / Utd do.

So we're a bit stuck in that we talk the big club talk, but don't back it up when we really need to. You can see why Levy wanted to join the ESL - to ge the money that would elevate us (terrible idea).

The one exception is Leicester - A league title, FA cup and CL qualifications in the last five years without spending silly transfer fees (what was Tielemans, £40m). Absolute hats off to them, remarkably well run club.
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They may be now, but they have not always been well run, they have had countless relegations in my lifetime. I think supporters get a bit carried away with Leicester. Sure they have had some success, but is it really sustaintable for the next decade, I very much doubt it.

posted on 18/5/21

comment by The Hybrid Doos (U10416)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash - "like a pack of cards" (U21935)
posted 13 minutes ago
The Stadium is a millstone around your neck
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Not really, it easily pays for itself and more when fans are allowed back in.
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100 per cent correct. I don`t get all this nonsense about the stadium being a drag on the club. It was hailed as the best thing to have happened to our club just a couple of years back, and it will going forward prove to be a really money making enterprise. Spurs definitely needed to upgrade on their 36,000 stadium if they were to really mix it with the big boys, and for that they have should be commended.

I am very proud of the new stadium, and all Spurs supporters should feel the same.

comment by Spurtle (U1608)

posted on 18/5/21

comment by The Hybrid Doos (U10416)
posted 5 minutes ago
Apparently we’ve already enquired in to Haaland but ran away from his wage demands

Wouldn’t be surprised to see Kane end up at City with Jesus coming to us in the deal.
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Any player that these clubs try to flog to us couldn't hold a candle to Kane.

Jesus can't even get near 20 goals a season in that City team playing as a striker. Probably isn't even as good as Iheanacho, who they sold.

posted on 18/5/21

comment by sandy, Ryan Mason, super league boss for 24 hours (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by NotSoMagicJuande (U1913)
posted 17 minutes ago
Do we really want to be a big club? If we do then we should be keeping Kane AND investing elsewhere to bring the squad up to a top level. Kane is more important to us than the money, because who else could we buy who is as good and proven? No one.

The problem is that we all know Levy won't put the money in to the squad that we need, so it becomes a decision of sell Kane or invest.

And in his defence, Levy is trying to run the club in a financially sensible way. We can't do what City / Chelsea / Utd do.

So we're a bit stuck in that we talk the big club talk, but don't back it up when we really need to. You can see why Levy wanted to join the ESL - to ge the money that would elevate us (terrible idea).

The one exception is Leicester - A league title, FA cup and CL qualifications in the last five years without spending silly transfer fees (what was Tielemans, £40m). Absolute hats off to them, remarkably well run club.
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They may be now, but they have not always been well run, they have had countless relegations in my lifetime. I think supporters get a bit carried away with Leicester. Sure they have had some success, but is it really sustaintable for the next decade, I very much doubt it.
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I agree with that. It's amazing how a good manager can flatter a club's overall structure. Under Claude Puel they were flirting with relegation only a couple of years back. In comes Rodgers, he promotes a few from the youth set up and makes some astute signings and suddenly they're the best run club in the world. They've got a lot right in the last couple of years but all it takes is for a big club to take a punt on Rodgers and I think the deck of cards comes crumbling down again.

It was only a couple of years ago people were saying the same about us under Poch. Now we're an awful club with terrible ownership.

posted on 18/5/21

comment by The Hybrid Doos (U10416)
posted 9 minutes ago
Apparently we’ve already enquired in to Haaland but ran away from his wage demands

Wouldn’t be surprised to see Kane end up at City with Jesus coming to us in the deal.
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Jesus might save us

posted on 18/5/21

OK I'm not saying Leicester are the model club in football. But they won the league and everyone expected it to be a one off flash in the pan. Since then they've won an FA Cup and are on the verge of qualifying for CL. They've sold their best players but replaced them well and have a young talented squad. That's to be applauded because they have sustained a level of success - I don't think anyone can argue with that?

I'm not saying that Spurs need to become Leicester, I'm just saying that they are a great recent example of how to operate without spending silly money.

posted on 18/5/21

comment by NotSoMagicJuande (U1913)
posted 2 minutes ago
OK I'm not saying Leicester are the model club in football. But they won the league and everyone expected it to be a one off flash in the pan. Since then they've won an FA Cup and are on the verge of qualifying for CL. They've sold their best players but replaced them well and have a young talented squad. That's to be applauded because they have sustained a level of success - I don't think anyone can argue with that?

I'm not saying that Spurs need to become Leicester, I'm just saying that they are a great recent example of how to operate without spending silly money.
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I agree Leicester are doing extremely well right now. But let`s be fair Spurs have had a far better team than Leicester over the past five years, so should not have had any excuses for putting trophies in the cabinet at WHL. Leicester have a 34 year up front, Vardy and Johnny Evans as their mainstay CB. Spurs have had world class CBs, World class midfielders, World class Strikers yet always bottle it when it comes to winning something. The mentality has to change at the club more than anything else. Kane himself has never ever turned up in any big match for Spurs when it really matters. He just goes missing everytime.

posted on 18/5/21

comment by sandy, Ryan Mason, super league boss for 24 hours (U20567)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by NotSoMagicJuande (U1913)
posted 2 minutes ago
OK I'm not saying Leicester are the model club in football. But they won the league and everyone expected it to be a one off flash in the pan. Since then they've won an FA Cup and are on the verge of qualifying for CL. They've sold their best players but replaced them well and have a young talented squad. That's to be applauded because they have sustained a level of success - I don't think anyone can argue with that?

I'm not saying that Spurs need to become Leicester, I'm just saying that they are a great recent example of how to operate without spending silly money.
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I agree Leicester are doing extremely well right now. But let`s be fair Spurs have had a far better team than Leicester over the past five years, so should not have had any excuses for putting trophies in the cabinet at WHL. Leicester have a 34 year up front, Vardy and Johnny Evans as their mainstay CB. Spurs have had world class CBs, World class midfielders, World class Strikers yet always bottle it when it comes to winning something. The mentality has to change at the club more than anything else. Kane himself has never ever turned up in any big match for Spurs when it really matters. He just goes missing everytime.
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You're turning on him too early.

comment by Spurtle (U1608)

posted on 18/5/21

comment by NotSoMagicJuande (U1913)
posted 7 minutes ago
OK I'm not saying Leicester are the model club in football. But they won the league and everyone expected it to be a one off flash in the pan. Since then they've won an FA Cup and are on the verge of qualifying for CL. They've sold their best players but replaced them well and have a young talented squad. That's to be applauded because they have sustained a level of success - I don't think anyone can argue with that?

I'm not saying that Spurs need to become Leicester, I'm just saying that they are a great recent example of how to operate without spending silly money.
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Leicester could still miss out on top 4 which would be a huge blow. I hope they don't and if they do get CL it'll be interesting to see how they progress from there. If they end up with a few more trophies 5 years from now it will further put us to shame in our attempts at flirting with the big boys.

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