comment by The Red Side™ (U11275)
posted 7 minutes ago
Can't see him playing on the left of the front three that often.
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Hopefully not because I think it's just a waste of an attacking position Pogba playing there.
If he's not going to be a first choice central midfielder in either a two or a three, we need to let him go.
It's as simple as that.
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Agree 100%.
Unless Ole sees him as a definite starter in that 2 or 3 then I don't see the point in keeping him.
The frustrating thing is is that he should be contributing a hell of a lot to the side as he's capable of doing it but, for some reason, he can't do it consistently. If he does stay then I hope the penny will drop and he gains that consistency which is what we're all asking for.
comment by The Red Side™ (U11275)
posted 12 minutes ago
Fabrizio Romano has said United's priority now is to understand what Pogba wants to do so hopefully we should get a definitive answer very soon.
I'm just sick of this situation and want it to be over quick.
I thought we should've gone for Gueye when he was at Everton but not now. Paredes would be the midfielder to get from PSG.
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I don’t think they’d let Paredes go. He was Tuchel and is Poch’s go-to CDM when they play with a midfield three, which is surely what they’d be doing week-in, week-out if they signed Pogba.
Like Tuchel, Poch has been inclined to go to Gueye and Danilo when they’ve switched to 4-2-3-1.
If I had to bet on two players to leave with Wij and Pogba coming in, it’d be Rafinha and Gueye.
comment by Robb - Dean Boxall is a legend (U22311)
posted 49 minutes ago
Their team is looking very strong if he does go
Donnnaruma
Hakimi Ramos Marquinhos Hernandez
Wijnaldum Veratti Pogba
ADM Mbappe Neymar
M/ Pochettino
Fair play if he goes, he gave us 5 seasons and we couldn’t match his ambition. Deffo rather lose him for a fee than for free.
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Sadly, and I quite like Pogba, his own performances in general over those five years he was highly paid for, didn’t match his ambition either.
I don’t think Gueye would be a terrible option for United, tbh.
As someone mentioned above, he has better range and energy than Matic, and imposes his physical assets with more urgency off the ball.
He wouldn’t answer the question about creativity from the double pivot; although I don’t believe Ole is really very arsssed about that at all.
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 4 minutes ago
Have we really been better at transfers this summer?
Sancho was always happening, as we've been after him for a year.
We got lucky with Varane—one year left on his contract, and supposedly only wanted to join Utd.
Still to early to tell if we've improved at this, I think.
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God you must lead a miserable life.
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This is the problem with this place. You can't analyse things rationally. You have to go along with the herd and their emotive thinking, or get called miserable and worse.
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It's hard to demonstrate whether your initial comment itself was rational or just a gut feeling. You've judged the completion of a long-term transfer target as unimpressive because of the prolonged groundwork put into it without explaining why that makes it a less impressive achievement (and not mentioning that the eventual fee is something like 65% of the original asking price). You're also unimpressed by the rapid and apparently fuss-free conclusion of another player. In both cases you make an assumption that the transfers were 'inevitable' or 'easy' in the absence of any knowledge of the kind of groundwork that may have been put in to ensure the players bought in to the club.
Some might argue that the most impressive transfer is the one where we bring in a player who doesn't really want to come to United, like Angel di Maria, because it could be harder to push over the line. But perhaps the largely invisible efforts that go into identifying players who are the right fit and into creating the conditions that help the eventual deal go through smoothly deserve more credit in the scheme of things.
Surely Veratti, Wijnaldum and Guaye are exactly the sort of players Pogba needs to play with?
If PSG were serious about bringing in Pogba this summer, would they have also recruited Wijnaldum? Very different players of course, but it's not as though PSG had a serious midfield problem they needed to fix. Even with several departures, they will have more serious talent on the bench than they really need.
(Which is my way of saying "that's just greedy" )
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 4 minutes ago
Have we really been better at transfers this summer?
Sancho was always happening, as we've been after him for a year.
We got lucky with Varane—one year left on his contract, and supposedly only wanted to join Utd.
Still to early to tell if we've improved at this, I think.
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God you must lead a miserable life.
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This is the problem with this place. You can't analyse things rationally. You have to go along with the herd and their emotive thinking, or get called miserable and worse.
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It's hard to demonstrate whether your initial comment itself was rational or just a gut feeling. You've judged the completion of a long-term transfer target as unimpressive because of the prolonged groundwork put into it without explaining why that makes it a less impressive achievement (and not mentioning that the eventual fee is something like 65% of the original asking price). You're also unimpressed by the rapid and apparently fuss-free conclusion of another player. In both cases you make an assumption that the transfers were 'inevitable' or 'easy' in the absence of any knowledge of the kind of groundwork that may have been put in to ensure the players bought in to the club.
Some might argue that the most impressive transfer is the one where we bring in a player who doesn't really want to come to United, like Angel di Maria, because it could be harder to push over the line. But perhaps the largely invisible efforts that go into identifying players who are the right fit and into creating the conditions that help the eventual deal go through smoothly deserve more credit in the scheme of things.
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I didn't say I wasn't impressed—hard not to be with those two signings.
I'm simply questioning if can conclude that there's been a real difference in our transfer dealings yet.
Would we have failed to get Varane last year if that was the last year of his contract instead?
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 12 minutes ago
Surely Veratti, Wijnaldum and Guaye are exactly the sort of players Pogba needs to play with?
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I think it’ll most likely be some combination of the following most of the time:
————Paredes/Danilo
—Wij/Herrera———Pogba/Verratti
Maybe he’ll occasionally use Pogba and Verratti, but I don’t think we’ll see that so often.
Rafinha and Gueye/possibly Herrera (although I think he’ll want him around for his energy) surplus to requirements.
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 4 minutes ago
Have we really been better at transfers this summer?
Sancho was always happening, as we've been after him for a year.
We got lucky with Varane—one year left on his contract, and supposedly only wanted to join Utd.
Still to early to tell if we've improved at this, I think.
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God you must lead a miserable life.
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This is the problem with this place. You can't analyse things rationally. You have to go along with the herd and their emotive thinking, or get called miserable and worse.
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You might have a point if it was a one off. But it is a constant with you. I honestly wonder why you bother with football, as you don't appear to get any joy from it.
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 4 minutes ago
Have we really been better at transfers this summer?
Sancho was always happening, as we've been after him for a year.
We got lucky with Varane—one year left on his contract, and supposedly only wanted to join Utd.
Still to early to tell if we've improved at this, I think.
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God you must lead a miserable life.
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This is the problem with this place. You can't analyse things rationally. You have to go along with the herd and their emotive thinking, or get called miserable and worse.
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It's hard to demonstrate whether your initial comment itself was rational or just a gut feeling. You've judged the completion of a long-term transfer target as unimpressive because of the prolonged groundwork put into it without explaining why that makes it a less impressive achievement (and not mentioning that the eventual fee is something like 65% of the original asking price). You're also unimpressed by the rapid and apparently fuss-free conclusion of another player. In both cases you make an assumption that the transfers were 'inevitable' or 'easy' in the absence of any knowledge of the kind of groundwork that may have been put in to ensure the players bought in to the club.
Some might argue that the most impressive transfer is the one where we bring in a player who doesn't really want to come to United, like Angel di Maria, because it could be harder to push over the line. But perhaps the largely invisible efforts that go into identifying players who are the right fit and into creating the conditions that help the eventual deal go through smoothly deserve more credit in the scheme of things.
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I didn't say I wasn't impressed—hard not to be with those two signings.
I'm simply questioning if can conclude that there's been a real difference in our transfer dealings yet.
Would we have failed to get Varane last year if that was the last year of his contract instead?
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Well Ole has come out and commented on how happy he has been with our ability to get things done quicker this summer, so I am going to take his opinion on this rather than yours.
He wouldn’t answer the question about creativity from the double pivot; although I don’t believe Ole is really very arsssed about that at all.
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It's not just about creativity, it's about having players who can handle and use the ball under pressure, something our midfield doesn't do well compared to other elite sides.
If what you believe is true then it would be odd to say the least because addressing such a big weakness can only improve us and make us more competitive over the course of an entire season.
What's the point in stacking the midfield with energetic ball winners but average footballers when we're going to have the majority of possession in the majority of our games and will need more creative, faster thinking and technically gifted players to help break down more defensive sides?
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 4 minutes ago
Have we really been better at transfers this summer?
Sancho was always happening, as we've been after him for a year.
We got lucky with Varane—one year left on his contract, and supposedly only wanted to join Utd.
Still to early to tell if we've improved at this, I think.
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God you must lead a miserable life.
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This is the problem with this place. You can't analyse things rationally. You have to go along with the herd and their emotive thinking, or get called miserable and worse.
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You might have a point if it was a one off. But it is a constant with you. I honestly wonder why you bother with football, as you don't appear to get any joy from it.
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There plenty on here who criticise our transfers more than me—especially Ole fans, as there's nothing else for them to complain about.
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
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Well Ole has come out and commented on how happy he has been with our ability to get things done quicker this summer, so I am going to take his opinion on this rather than yours.
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He's right. But if you want to deny that some of that isn't down to external causes, like Varane's contract expiring and wanting to come to Utd, then that's up to you.
comment by The Red Side™ (U11275)
posted 38 seconds ago
He wouldn’t answer the question about creativity from the double pivot; although I don’t believe Ole is really very arsssed about that at all.
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It's not just about creativity, it's about having players who can handle and use the ball under pressure, something our midfield doesn't do well compared to other elite sides.
If what you believe is true then it would be odd to say the least because addressing such a big weakness can only improve us and make us more competitive over the course of an entire season.
What's the point in stacking the midfield with energetic ball winners but average footballers when we're going to have the majority of possession in the majority of our games and will need more creative, faster thinking and technically gifted players to help break down more defensive sides?
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I’m not advocating it as an approach. I’m just saying what I see.
In possession-dominant games, he more often than not overloads down the left adding the LB to the attack, and just uses the CMs to recycle the ball and feed the forwards to feet. It’s more or less 3-2-5, with Maguire or McT occasionally (not often enough, IMO) stepping up to try to pull midfielders out to create space between the lines or look for a late run.
But it appears he’s more concerned about the attacking qualities and depth of the four/five forwards (and, to be fair, he now has potent options and some quality from the bench there) than creating from deep.
Would take £45m definitely.
Use Jesse plus cash to get Rice. Squad is more balanced long term and two large salaries off the books.
In possession-dominant games, he more often than not overloads down the left adding the LB to the attack
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I think this happens naturally as we attack a lot more down our left hand side than we do down our right or through the middle because we don't have the same quality in those two areas.
Shaw is our most progressive player from deep which is why the ball naturally gravitates towards his side, plus we usually play with a stronger attacker on our left side than we do our right as well. Shaw has so much responsibility in that respect, more than he really should have which is why we could do with balancing things out a bit more and taking some of the progressive load off his shoulders.
Is the window closing the day before the start of the season again?
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 9 minutes ago
Is the window closing the day before the start of the season again?
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31st of Aug 23:00 hrs!
comment by The Red Side™ (U11275)
posted 51 minutes ago
In possession-dominant games, he more often than not overloads down the left adding the LB to the attack
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I think this happens naturally as we attack a lot more down our left hand side than we do down our right or through the middle because we don't have the same quality in those two areas.
Shaw is our most progressive player from deep which is why the ball naturally gravitates towards his side, plus we usually play with a stronger attacker on our left side than we do our right as well. Shaw has so much responsibility in that respect, more than he really should have which is why we could do with balancing things out a bit more and taking some of the progressive load off his shoulders.
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Tricky with AWB on the right though. Hopefully his attacking game comes on or United find an alternative attacking option to work with Sancho.
Apparently Roma are holding up signing Xhaka, still time for us to dump Matic on them and sign a defensive mid. Let Pogba run his contract down and replace him next summer.
I’ve seen rumours in the press about us needing to sell to buy. As in apparently needing to sell players that gives us a net £75 million outlay. Not sure but if true perhaps we need to get some money for Pogba and Lingard this window to achieve that and to bring in Trippier.
"I'm sure that I wouldn't play club football at the Parc des Princes," he told Canal+."I'm not attracted to that because my father and mother were fans of Marseille so Paris doesn't really fit into my plans."
-Pogba
My feeling is he's using PSG to raise his salary at Utd. If that doesn't happen, he can negotiate to go to either Juve or Madrid in 6 month's time.
It's almost guaranteed he won't be heading to Paris. PSG haven't even approached Utd according to the best sources.
As for his form over the last 5 years, that would improve if he were to be played in position, in an attacking role. If the rumours are true then we should see a 433 formation where Pogba plays alongside Bruno in the final 3rd.
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 3 hours, 6 minutes ago
Have we really been better at transfers this summer?
Sancho was always happening, as we've been after him for a year.
We got lucky with Varane—one year left on his contract, and supposedly only wanted to join Utd.
Still to early to tell if we've improved at this, I think.
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'Sancho was always happening' - only because we tried to make it happen. 'We got lucky with Varane' - by trying to sign him?
Honestly, N2, you're an absolute misery.
comment by Robb - Dean Boxall is a legend (U22311)
posted 30 minutes ago
I’ve seen rumours in the press about us needing to sell to buy. As in apparently needing to sell players that gives us a net £75 million outlay. Not sure but if true perhaps we need to get some money for Pogba and Lingard this window to achieve that and to bring in Trippier.
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Doubt it, net outlay is a load of ballacks.
We probably will need to make sales to make more moves in the market. But I suspect that’d be largely to do with cashflow.
In that respect, you could understand why Pogba might be moved on given PSG’s ability to front transfer fees. But the club obviously want to keep Pogba, so I dunno it we’ll be desperate for the cash.
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posted on 29/7/21
comment by The Red Side™ (U11275)
posted 7 minutes ago
Can't see him playing on the left of the front three that often.
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Hopefully not because I think it's just a waste of an attacking position Pogba playing there.
If he's not going to be a first choice central midfielder in either a two or a three, we need to let him go.
It's as simple as that.
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Agree 100%.
Unless Ole sees him as a definite starter in that 2 or 3 then I don't see the point in keeping him.
The frustrating thing is is that he should be contributing a hell of a lot to the side as he's capable of doing it but, for some reason, he can't do it consistently. If he does stay then I hope the penny will drop and he gains that consistency which is what we're all asking for.
posted on 29/7/21
comment by The Red Side™ (U11275)
posted 12 minutes ago
Fabrizio Romano has said United's priority now is to understand what Pogba wants to do so hopefully we should get a definitive answer very soon.
I'm just sick of this situation and want it to be over quick.
I thought we should've gone for Gueye when he was at Everton but not now. Paredes would be the midfielder to get from PSG.
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I don’t think they’d let Paredes go. He was Tuchel and is Poch’s go-to CDM when they play with a midfield three, which is surely what they’d be doing week-in, week-out if they signed Pogba.
Like Tuchel, Poch has been inclined to go to Gueye and Danilo when they’ve switched to 4-2-3-1.
If I had to bet on two players to leave with Wij and Pogba coming in, it’d be Rafinha and Gueye.
posted on 29/7/21
comment by Robb - Dean Boxall is a legend (U22311)
posted 49 minutes ago
Their team is looking very strong if he does go
Donnnaruma
Hakimi Ramos Marquinhos Hernandez
Wijnaldum Veratti Pogba
ADM Mbappe Neymar
M/ Pochettino
Fair play if he goes, he gave us 5 seasons and we couldn’t match his ambition. Deffo rather lose him for a fee than for free.
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Sadly, and I quite like Pogba, his own performances in general over those five years he was highly paid for, didn’t match his ambition either.
posted on 29/7/21
I don’t think Gueye would be a terrible option for United, tbh.
As someone mentioned above, he has better range and energy than Matic, and imposes his physical assets with more urgency off the ball.
He wouldn’t answer the question about creativity from the double pivot; although I don’t believe Ole is really very arsssed about that at all.
posted on 29/7/21
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 4 minutes ago
Have we really been better at transfers this summer?
Sancho was always happening, as we've been after him for a year.
We got lucky with Varane—one year left on his contract, and supposedly only wanted to join Utd.
Still to early to tell if we've improved at this, I think.
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God you must lead a miserable life.
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This is the problem with this place. You can't analyse things rationally. You have to go along with the herd and their emotive thinking, or get called miserable and worse.
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It's hard to demonstrate whether your initial comment itself was rational or just a gut feeling. You've judged the completion of a long-term transfer target as unimpressive because of the prolonged groundwork put into it without explaining why that makes it a less impressive achievement (and not mentioning that the eventual fee is something like 65% of the original asking price). You're also unimpressed by the rapid and apparently fuss-free conclusion of another player. In both cases you make an assumption that the transfers were 'inevitable' or 'easy' in the absence of any knowledge of the kind of groundwork that may have been put in to ensure the players bought in to the club.
Some might argue that the most impressive transfer is the one where we bring in a player who doesn't really want to come to United, like Angel di Maria, because it could be harder to push over the line. But perhaps the largely invisible efforts that go into identifying players who are the right fit and into creating the conditions that help the eventual deal go through smoothly deserve more credit in the scheme of things.
posted on 29/7/21
Surely Veratti, Wijnaldum and Guaye are exactly the sort of players Pogba needs to play with?
posted on 29/7/21
If PSG were serious about bringing in Pogba this summer, would they have also recruited Wijnaldum? Very different players of course, but it's not as though PSG had a serious midfield problem they needed to fix. Even with several departures, they will have more serious talent on the bench than they really need.
(Which is my way of saying "that's just greedy" )
posted on 29/7/21
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 4 minutes ago
Have we really been better at transfers this summer?
Sancho was always happening, as we've been after him for a year.
We got lucky with Varane—one year left on his contract, and supposedly only wanted to join Utd.
Still to early to tell if we've improved at this, I think.
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God you must lead a miserable life.
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This is the problem with this place. You can't analyse things rationally. You have to go along with the herd and their emotive thinking, or get called miserable and worse.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's hard to demonstrate whether your initial comment itself was rational or just a gut feeling. You've judged the completion of a long-term transfer target as unimpressive because of the prolonged groundwork put into it without explaining why that makes it a less impressive achievement (and not mentioning that the eventual fee is something like 65% of the original asking price). You're also unimpressed by the rapid and apparently fuss-free conclusion of another player. In both cases you make an assumption that the transfers were 'inevitable' or 'easy' in the absence of any knowledge of the kind of groundwork that may have been put in to ensure the players bought in to the club.
Some might argue that the most impressive transfer is the one where we bring in a player who doesn't really want to come to United, like Angel di Maria, because it could be harder to push over the line. But perhaps the largely invisible efforts that go into identifying players who are the right fit and into creating the conditions that help the eventual deal go through smoothly deserve more credit in the scheme of things.
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I didn't say I wasn't impressed—hard not to be with those two signings.
I'm simply questioning if can conclude that there's been a real difference in our transfer dealings yet.
Would we have failed to get Varane last year if that was the last year of his contract instead?
posted on 29/7/21
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 12 minutes ago
Surely Veratti, Wijnaldum and Guaye are exactly the sort of players Pogba needs to play with?
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I think it’ll most likely be some combination of the following most of the time:
————Paredes/Danilo
—Wij/Herrera———Pogba/Verratti
Maybe he’ll occasionally use Pogba and Verratti, but I don’t think we’ll see that so often.
Rafinha and Gueye/possibly Herrera (although I think he’ll want him around for his energy) surplus to requirements.
posted on 29/7/21
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 4 minutes ago
Have we really been better at transfers this summer?
Sancho was always happening, as we've been after him for a year.
We got lucky with Varane—one year left on his contract, and supposedly only wanted to join Utd.
Still to early to tell if we've improved at this, I think.
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God you must lead a miserable life.
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This is the problem with this place. You can't analyse things rationally. You have to go along with the herd and their emotive thinking, or get called miserable and worse.
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You might have a point if it was a one off. But it is a constant with you. I honestly wonder why you bother with football, as you don't appear to get any joy from it.
posted on 29/7/21
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 4 minutes ago
Have we really been better at transfers this summer?
Sancho was always happening, as we've been after him for a year.
We got lucky with Varane—one year left on his contract, and supposedly only wanted to join Utd.
Still to early to tell if we've improved at this, I think.
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God you must lead a miserable life.
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This is the problem with this place. You can't analyse things rationally. You have to go along with the herd and their emotive thinking, or get called miserable and worse.
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It's hard to demonstrate whether your initial comment itself was rational or just a gut feeling. You've judged the completion of a long-term transfer target as unimpressive because of the prolonged groundwork put into it without explaining why that makes it a less impressive achievement (and not mentioning that the eventual fee is something like 65% of the original asking price). You're also unimpressed by the rapid and apparently fuss-free conclusion of another player. In both cases you make an assumption that the transfers were 'inevitable' or 'easy' in the absence of any knowledge of the kind of groundwork that may have been put in to ensure the players bought in to the club.
Some might argue that the most impressive transfer is the one where we bring in a player who doesn't really want to come to United, like Angel di Maria, because it could be harder to push over the line. But perhaps the largely invisible efforts that go into identifying players who are the right fit and into creating the conditions that help the eventual deal go through smoothly deserve more credit in the scheme of things.
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I didn't say I wasn't impressed—hard not to be with those two signings.
I'm simply questioning if can conclude that there's been a real difference in our transfer dealings yet.
Would we have failed to get Varane last year if that was the last year of his contract instead?
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Well Ole has come out and commented on how happy he has been with our ability to get things done quicker this summer, so I am going to take his opinion on this rather than yours.
posted on 29/7/21
He wouldn’t answer the question about creativity from the double pivot; although I don’t believe Ole is really very arsssed about that at all.
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It's not just about creativity, it's about having players who can handle and use the ball under pressure, something our midfield doesn't do well compared to other elite sides.
If what you believe is true then it would be odd to say the least because addressing such a big weakness can only improve us and make us more competitive over the course of an entire season.
What's the point in stacking the midfield with energetic ball winners but average footballers when we're going to have the majority of possession in the majority of our games and will need more creative, faster thinking and technically gifted players to help break down more defensive sides?
posted on 29/7/21
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 4 minutes ago
Have we really been better at transfers this summer?
Sancho was always happening, as we've been after him for a year.
We got lucky with Varane—one year left on his contract, and supposedly only wanted to join Utd.
Still to early to tell if we've improved at this, I think.
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God you must lead a miserable life.
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This is the problem with this place. You can't analyse things rationally. You have to go along with the herd and their emotive thinking, or get called miserable and worse.
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You might have a point if it was a one off. But it is a constant with you. I honestly wonder why you bother with football, as you don't appear to get any joy from it.
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There plenty on here who criticise our transfers more than me—especially Ole fans, as there's nothing else for them to complain about.
posted on 29/7/21
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
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Well Ole has come out and commented on how happy he has been with our ability to get things done quicker this summer, so I am going to take his opinion on this rather than yours.
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He's right. But if you want to deny that some of that isn't down to external causes, like Varane's contract expiring and wanting to come to Utd, then that's up to you.
posted on 29/7/21
comment by The Red Side™ (U11275)
posted 38 seconds ago
He wouldn’t answer the question about creativity from the double pivot; although I don’t believe Ole is really very arsssed about that at all.
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It's not just about creativity, it's about having players who can handle and use the ball under pressure, something our midfield doesn't do well compared to other elite sides.
If what you believe is true then it would be odd to say the least because addressing such a big weakness can only improve us and make us more competitive over the course of an entire season.
What's the point in stacking the midfield with energetic ball winners but average footballers when we're going to have the majority of possession in the majority of our games and will need more creative, faster thinking and technically gifted players to help break down more defensive sides?
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I’m not advocating it as an approach. I’m just saying what I see.
In possession-dominant games, he more often than not overloads down the left adding the LB to the attack, and just uses the CMs to recycle the ball and feed the forwards to feet. It’s more or less 3-2-5, with Maguire or McT occasionally (not often enough, IMO) stepping up to try to pull midfielders out to create space between the lines or look for a late run.
But it appears he’s more concerned about the attacking qualities and depth of the four/five forwards (and, to be fair, he now has potent options and some quality from the bench there) than creating from deep.
posted on 29/7/21
Would take £45m definitely.
Use Jesse plus cash to get Rice. Squad is more balanced long term and two large salaries off the books.
posted on 29/7/21
In possession-dominant games, he more often than not overloads down the left adding the LB to the attack
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I think this happens naturally as we attack a lot more down our left hand side than we do down our right or through the middle because we don't have the same quality in those two areas.
Shaw is our most progressive player from deep which is why the ball naturally gravitates towards his side, plus we usually play with a stronger attacker on our left side than we do our right as well. Shaw has so much responsibility in that respect, more than he really should have which is why we could do with balancing things out a bit more and taking some of the progressive load off his shoulders.
posted on 29/7/21
Is the window closing the day before the start of the season again?
posted on 29/7/21
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 9 minutes ago
Is the window closing the day before the start of the season again?
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31st of Aug 23:00 hrs!
posted on 29/7/21
comment by The Red Side™ (U11275)
posted 51 minutes ago
In possession-dominant games, he more often than not overloads down the left adding the LB to the attack
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I think this happens naturally as we attack a lot more down our left hand side than we do down our right or through the middle because we don't have the same quality in those two areas.
Shaw is our most progressive player from deep which is why the ball naturally gravitates towards his side, plus we usually play with a stronger attacker on our left side than we do our right as well. Shaw has so much responsibility in that respect, more than he really should have which is why we could do with balancing things out a bit more and taking some of the progressive load off his shoulders.
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Tricky with AWB on the right though. Hopefully his attacking game comes on or United find an alternative attacking option to work with Sancho.
posted on 29/7/21
Apparently Roma are holding up signing Xhaka, still time for us to dump Matic on them and sign a defensive mid. Let Pogba run his contract down and replace him next summer.
posted on 29/7/21
I’ve seen rumours in the press about us needing to sell to buy. As in apparently needing to sell players that gives us a net £75 million outlay. Not sure but if true perhaps we need to get some money for Pogba and Lingard this window to achieve that and to bring in Trippier.
posted on 29/7/21
"I'm sure that I wouldn't play club football at the Parc des Princes," he told Canal+."I'm not attracted to that because my father and mother were fans of Marseille so Paris doesn't really fit into my plans."
-Pogba
My feeling is he's using PSG to raise his salary at Utd. If that doesn't happen, he can negotiate to go to either Juve or Madrid in 6 month's time.
It's almost guaranteed he won't be heading to Paris. PSG haven't even approached Utd according to the best sources.
As for his form over the last 5 years, that would improve if he were to be played in position, in an attacking role. If the rumours are true then we should see a 433 formation where Pogba plays alongside Bruno in the final 3rd.
posted on 29/7/21
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 3 hours, 6 minutes ago
Have we really been better at transfers this summer?
Sancho was always happening, as we've been after him for a year.
We got lucky with Varane—one year left on his contract, and supposedly only wanted to join Utd.
Still to early to tell if we've improved at this, I think.
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'Sancho was always happening' - only because we tried to make it happen. 'We got lucky with Varane' - by trying to sign him?
Honestly, N2, you're an absolute misery.
posted on 29/7/21
comment by Robb - Dean Boxall is a legend (U22311)
posted 30 minutes ago
I’ve seen rumours in the press about us needing to sell to buy. As in apparently needing to sell players that gives us a net £75 million outlay. Not sure but if true perhaps we need to get some money for Pogba and Lingard this window to achieve that and to bring in Trippier.
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Doubt it, net outlay is a load of ballacks.
We probably will need to make sales to make more moves in the market. But I suspect that’d be largely to do with cashflow.
In that respect, you could understand why Pogba might be moved on given PSG’s ability to front transfer fees. But the club obviously want to keep Pogba, so I dunno it we’ll be desperate for the cash.
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