comment by Culér (U9489)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
City won it last year without a regular striker, they have 2 now
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No fans in stadiums
City having games cancelled to suit them
Covid fixtures
Won't be possible this year. Also, what strikers do you refer to?? Jesus isn't a 9 and Torres is a winger...
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No fans was probably why City had their worst home record for a decade and United had their best away record ever.
Ice partnership developing between Torres an Jesus, I could see us breaking the 100 goal barrier again
I said before season start I thought Torres would have a breakthrough year, crazy talent.
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Culér (U9489)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
City won it last year without a regular striker, they have 2 now
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No fans in stadiums
City having games cancelled to suit them
Covid fixtures
Won't be possible this year. Also, what strikers do you refer to?? Jesus isn't a 9 and Torres is a winger...
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No fans was probably why City had their worst home record for a decade and United had their best away record ever.
Ice partnership developing between Torres an Jesus, I could see us breaking the 100 goal barrier again
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I have been tearing into Liverpool for their lack of depth upfront, but at least they have 3 forwards.
You have 2. What happens if Jesus or Torres get's injured? Who would be your 9??
Shocking lack of depth.
So OP, a near 37 yr old Ronaldo isn't declining but Liverpool front 3 are? 😅
City won the league at a canter. Even if u did make up the gap in last year's table, they would just go into 2nd or 3rd gear. United still miles off tbh. United didn't beat wolves because of Varane. Wolves lost to united cos they couldn't finish their dinner.
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 53 seconds ago
I said before season start I thought Torres would have a breakthrough year, crazy talent.
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I went to watch FCB play at Valencia in January 2020. Torres played on the right wing and tore it up. He's a class player. I wonder perhaps though if Pep will spoil him and try to turn him into a 9 when he's actually a winger.
comment by Culér (U9489)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 53 seconds ago
I said before season start I thought Torres would have a breakthrough year, crazy talent.
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I went to watch FCB play at Valencia in January 2020. Torres played on the right wing and tore it up. He's a class player. I wonder perhaps though if Pep will spoil him and try to turn him into a 9 when he's actually a winger.
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Yes Pep has an awful record for making players worse, good point.
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by Culér (U9489)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 53 seconds ago
I said before season start I thought Torres would have a breakthrough year, crazy talent.
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I went to watch FCB play at Valencia in January 2020. Torres played on the right wing and tore it up. He's a class player. I wonder perhaps though if Pep will spoil him and try to turn him into a 9 when he's actually a winger.
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Yes Pep has an awful record for making players worse, good point.
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He does if you look into it properly:
Ibrahimovic
Fabregas
Robben
Henry
Nolito
Yaya Toure
You've deleted my comment because of what exactly? I only asked a question.
I'll take that as a yes then.
Having games cancelled was definitely to City’s advantage.
Most teams would benefit from being forced to play 5 games in 13 days
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 3 minutes ago
So OP, a near 37 yr old Ronaldo isn't declining but Liverpool front 3 are? 😅
City won the league at a canter. Even if u did make up the gap in last year's table, they would just go into 2nd or 3rd gear. United still miles off tbh. United didn't beat wolves because of Varane. Wolves lost to united cos they couldn't finish their dinner.
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Salah is their exception but he is leaving, won't sign a new deal and all that.
Ronaldo is better than their front 3 too.
Nothing I’ve seen suggests Sancho is worth an extra 5 points for us.
comment by Culér (U9489)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 3 minutes ago
So OP, a near 37 yr old Ronaldo isn't declining but Liverpool front 3 are? 😅
City won the league at a canter. Even if u did make up the gap in last year's table, they would just go into 2nd or 3rd gear. United still miles off tbh. United didn't beat wolves because of Varane. Wolves lost to united cos they couldn't finish their dinner.
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Salah is their exception but he is leaving, won't sign a new deal and all that.
Ronaldo is better than their front 3 too.
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Salah leaving?
Must have missed that on SSN
comment by MUFCdan (U1463)
posted 2 minutes ago
Nothing I’ve seen suggests Sancho is worth an extra 5 points for us.
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You can't judge him after some cameo appearances when he isn't fit.
It's like saying when Ronaldo made his debut against Bolton you couldn't see him winning all those Ballon D'or awards etc.
Sancho will be fearsome for defenders just watch. The guy is world class.
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Culér (U9489)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 3 minutes ago
So OP, a near 37 yr old Ronaldo isn't declining but Liverpool front 3 are? 😅
City won the league at a canter. Even if u did make up the gap in last year's table, they would just go into 2nd or 3rd gear. United still miles off tbh. United didn't beat wolves because of Varane. Wolves lost to united cos they couldn't finish their dinner.
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Salah is their exception but he is leaving, won't sign a new deal and all that.
Ronaldo is better than their front 3 too.
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Salah leaving?
Must have missed that on SSN
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His mate a Villa told him after seeing an encrypted message saying ‘Salah’s leaving’ in Rashford’s book.
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Culér (U9489)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 3 minutes ago
So OP, a near 37 yr old Ronaldo isn't declining but Liverpool front 3 are? 😅
City won the league at a canter. Even if u did make up the gap in last year's table, they would just go into 2nd or 3rd gear. United still miles off tbh. United didn't beat wolves because of Varane. Wolves lost to united cos they couldn't finish their dinner.
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Salah is their exception but he is leaving, won't sign a new deal and all that.
Ronaldo is better than their front 3 too.
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Salah leaving?
Must have missed that on SSN
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He is. He won't sign a new deal with them and has previously said he wants to play in Spain.
Culer, I think there's a flaw - or at least an unexplained point - in your argument.
Is this a net points gain net?
I mean, these new signings have to replace someone in the XI, so you'd need to subtract the number of points those players were worth in order to find United's net gain.
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 53 seconds ago
Culer, I think there's a flaw - or at least an unexplained point - in your argument.
Is this a net points gain net?
I mean, these new signings have to replace someone in the XI, so you'd need to subtract the number of points those players were worth in order to find United's net gain.
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It is net. They'd replace:
Lindelof who used to cost us points lol
James who wasn't good enough
Martial who didn't win us any points last year
I won't debate Lindelof, but James' and Martial's appearances were limited though. There's a finite number places on the team and minutes to share out over the course of the season.
Do you expect Sancho and Cristiano to achieve those points gains in the same number of minutes Martial and James had last season?
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 2 minutes ago
I won't debate Lindelof, but James' and Martial's appearances were limited though. There's a finite number places on the team and minutes to share out over the course of the season.
Do you expect Sancho and Cristiano to achieve those points gains in the same number of minutes Martial and James had last season?
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You must also factor into account the fact that Rashford wasn't fit last year either.
What about AWB, there’s a good chance he could be in prison for the 2nd half of the season
comment by Culér (U9489)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 2 minutes ago
I won't debate Lindelof, but James' and Martial's appearances were limited though. There's a finite number places on the team and minutes to share out over the course of the season.
Do you expect Sancho and Cristiano to achieve those points gains in the same number of minutes Martial and James had last season?
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You must also factor into account the fact that Rashford wasn't fit last year either.
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Please explain this point
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 4 minutes ago
What about AWB, there’s a good chance he could be in prison for the 2nd half of the season
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Maybe if he's padded up with Mendy, he can teach that clown how to actually defend.
All 4 teams are capable of winning it, all clearly have squads with the ability to put wins together but City and Liverpool are the most recent to actually do it. We know for a fact they can and I don't see reasons to discount either of them. Their recent success edges them. We've no idea what will happen with this Chelsea or United team, both have to prove they can do it yet.
We also have no idea what will happen over the season. Chelsea and spurs were both pretty hyped up last season at certain points as well and a fair few were readily writing City off after the start they had.
It only takes a bad December to put one of those teams a bit too far behind the leading pack. Taking points off each other could also prove far more valuable than some other years. I still have City as my favourites and I think Liverpool are being written off a bit too quickly.
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Culér (U9489)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 2 minutes ago
I won't debate Lindelof, but James' and Martial's appearances were limited though. There's a finite number places on the team and minutes to share out over the course of the season.
Do you expect Sancho and Cristiano to achieve those points gains in the same number of minutes Martial and James had last season?
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You must also factor into account the fact that Rashford wasn't fit last year either.
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Please explain this point
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Rashford played all year with an injury so he probably cost us points at times due to his fitness.
Also Cavani missed so many games due to signing late, then being banned and injury.
comment by Culér (U9489)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 3 minutes ago
The depth on paper of Liverpool's squad (particularly in attack) seems worse than the other sides, but looking elsewhere I don't really think it's that much worse than most of the other sides.
For instance, Gomez and Matip, assuming both wouldn't start over the season, are both decent options and I'd certainly trust them over United's and City's back up CB's for instance. In midfield, the likes of Keita, Jones, Ox etc are not bad options either. Maybe not as strong as City's or Chelsea's on paper, but certainly good enough when given the opportunity and when they aren't plagued by injury. Going forward there is a pretty sizeable drop off, but even a forward line of Jota, Firmino and Elliot I reckon would still do enough to beat many sides in the league.
As much as I agree the squad seems a lot thinner on paper than the others, it's still not "as bad" as what people would assume at first glance.
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Surely Klopp sees Elliot as a CM though? I thought you'd use
Jota
Firmino
Minamino
With Origi
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He might do, but I've seen enough of Origi to know that using Elliot in the attacking trio would be a better shout at this point, I'd even argue the same with Minamino. Whilst I think Minamino still has something to prove, I'd still rather Elliot at this point.
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posted on 2/9/21
comment by Culér (U9489)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
City won it last year without a regular striker, they have 2 now
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No fans in stadiums
City having games cancelled to suit them
Covid fixtures
Won't be possible this year. Also, what strikers do you refer to?? Jesus isn't a 9 and Torres is a winger...
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No fans was probably why City had their worst home record for a decade and United had their best away record ever.
Ice partnership developing between Torres an Jesus, I could see us breaking the 100 goal barrier again
posted on 2/9/21
I said before season start I thought Torres would have a breakthrough year, crazy talent.
posted on 2/9/21
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Culér (U9489)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
City won it last year without a regular striker, they have 2 now
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No fans in stadiums
City having games cancelled to suit them
Covid fixtures
Won't be possible this year. Also, what strikers do you refer to?? Jesus isn't a 9 and Torres is a winger...
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No fans was probably why City had their worst home record for a decade and United had their best away record ever.
Ice partnership developing between Torres an Jesus, I could see us breaking the 100 goal barrier again
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I have been tearing into Liverpool for their lack of depth upfront, but at least they have 3 forwards.
You have 2. What happens if Jesus or Torres get's injured? Who would be your 9??
Shocking lack of depth.
posted on 2/9/21
So OP, a near 37 yr old Ronaldo isn't declining but Liverpool front 3 are? 😅
City won the league at a canter. Even if u did make up the gap in last year's table, they would just go into 2nd or 3rd gear. United still miles off tbh. United didn't beat wolves because of Varane. Wolves lost to united cos they couldn't finish their dinner.
posted on 2/9/21
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 53 seconds ago
I said before season start I thought Torres would have a breakthrough year, crazy talent.
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I went to watch FCB play at Valencia in January 2020. Torres played on the right wing and tore it up. He's a class player. I wonder perhaps though if Pep will spoil him and try to turn him into a 9 when he's actually a winger.
posted on 2/9/21
comment by Culér (U9489)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 53 seconds ago
I said before season start I thought Torres would have a breakthrough year, crazy talent.
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I went to watch FCB play at Valencia in January 2020. Torres played on the right wing and tore it up. He's a class player. I wonder perhaps though if Pep will spoil him and try to turn him into a 9 when he's actually a winger.
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Yes Pep has an awful record for making players worse, good point.
posted on 2/9/21
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by Culér (U9489)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 53 seconds ago
I said before season start I thought Torres would have a breakthrough year, crazy talent.
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I went to watch FCB play at Valencia in January 2020. Torres played on the right wing and tore it up. He's a class player. I wonder perhaps though if Pep will spoil him and try to turn him into a 9 when he's actually a winger.
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Yes Pep has an awful record for making players worse, good point.
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He does if you look into it properly:
Ibrahimovic
Fabregas
Robben
Henry
Nolito
Yaya Toure
posted on 2/9/21
You've deleted my comment because of what exactly? I only asked a question.
I'll take that as a yes then.
posted on 2/9/21
Having games cancelled was definitely to City’s advantage.
Most teams would benefit from being forced to play 5 games in 13 days
posted on 2/9/21
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 3 minutes ago
So OP, a near 37 yr old Ronaldo isn't declining but Liverpool front 3 are? 😅
City won the league at a canter. Even if u did make up the gap in last year's table, they would just go into 2nd or 3rd gear. United still miles off tbh. United didn't beat wolves because of Varane. Wolves lost to united cos they couldn't finish their dinner.
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Salah is their exception but he is leaving, won't sign a new deal and all that.
Ronaldo is better than their front 3 too.
posted on 2/9/21
Nothing I’ve seen suggests Sancho is worth an extra 5 points for us.
posted on 2/9/21
comment by Culér (U9489)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 3 minutes ago
So OP, a near 37 yr old Ronaldo isn't declining but Liverpool front 3 are? 😅
City won the league at a canter. Even if u did make up the gap in last year's table, they would just go into 2nd or 3rd gear. United still miles off tbh. United didn't beat wolves because of Varane. Wolves lost to united cos they couldn't finish their dinner.
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Salah is their exception but he is leaving, won't sign a new deal and all that.
Ronaldo is better than their front 3 too.
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Salah leaving?
Must have missed that on SSN
posted on 2/9/21
comment by MUFCdan (U1463)
posted 2 minutes ago
Nothing I’ve seen suggests Sancho is worth an extra 5 points for us.
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You can't judge him after some cameo appearances when he isn't fit.
It's like saying when Ronaldo made his debut against Bolton you couldn't see him winning all those Ballon D'or awards etc.
Sancho will be fearsome for defenders just watch. The guy is world class.
posted on 2/9/21
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Culér (U9489)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 3 minutes ago
So OP, a near 37 yr old Ronaldo isn't declining but Liverpool front 3 are? 😅
City won the league at a canter. Even if u did make up the gap in last year's table, they would just go into 2nd or 3rd gear. United still miles off tbh. United didn't beat wolves because of Varane. Wolves lost to united cos they couldn't finish their dinner.
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Salah is their exception but he is leaving, won't sign a new deal and all that.
Ronaldo is better than their front 3 too.
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Salah leaving?
Must have missed that on SSN
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His mate a Villa told him after seeing an encrypted message saying ‘Salah’s leaving’ in Rashford’s book.
posted on 2/9/21
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Culér (U9489)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 3 minutes ago
So OP, a near 37 yr old Ronaldo isn't declining but Liverpool front 3 are? 😅
City won the league at a canter. Even if u did make up the gap in last year's table, they would just go into 2nd or 3rd gear. United still miles off tbh. United didn't beat wolves because of Varane. Wolves lost to united cos they couldn't finish their dinner.
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Salah is their exception but he is leaving, won't sign a new deal and all that.
Ronaldo is better than their front 3 too.
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Salah leaving?
Must have missed that on SSN
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He is. He won't sign a new deal with them and has previously said he wants to play in Spain.
posted on 2/9/21
Culer, I think there's a flaw - or at least an unexplained point - in your argument.
Is this a net points gain net?
I mean, these new signings have to replace someone in the XI, so you'd need to subtract the number of points those players were worth in order to find United's net gain.
posted on 2/9/21
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 53 seconds ago
Culer, I think there's a flaw - or at least an unexplained point - in your argument.
Is this a net points gain net?
I mean, these new signings have to replace someone in the XI, so you'd need to subtract the number of points those players were worth in order to find United's net gain.
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It is net. They'd replace:
Lindelof who used to cost us points lol
James who wasn't good enough
Martial who didn't win us any points last year
posted on 2/9/21
I won't debate Lindelof, but James' and Martial's appearances were limited though. There's a finite number places on the team and minutes to share out over the course of the season.
Do you expect Sancho and Cristiano to achieve those points gains in the same number of minutes Martial and James had last season?
posted on 2/9/21
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 2 minutes ago
I won't debate Lindelof, but James' and Martial's appearances were limited though. There's a finite number places on the team and minutes to share out over the course of the season.
Do you expect Sancho and Cristiano to achieve those points gains in the same number of minutes Martial and James had last season?
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You must also factor into account the fact that Rashford wasn't fit last year either.
posted on 2/9/21
What about AWB, there’s a good chance he could be in prison for the 2nd half of the season
posted on 2/9/21
comment by Culér (U9489)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 2 minutes ago
I won't debate Lindelof, but James' and Martial's appearances were limited though. There's a finite number places on the team and minutes to share out over the course of the season.
Do you expect Sancho and Cristiano to achieve those points gains in the same number of minutes Martial and James had last season?
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You must also factor into account the fact that Rashford wasn't fit last year either.
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Please explain this point
posted on 2/9/21
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 4 minutes ago
What about AWB, there’s a good chance he could be in prison for the 2nd half of the season
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Maybe if he's padded up with Mendy, he can teach that clown how to actually defend.
posted on 2/9/21
All 4 teams are capable of winning it, all clearly have squads with the ability to put wins together but City and Liverpool are the most recent to actually do it. We know for a fact they can and I don't see reasons to discount either of them. Their recent success edges them. We've no idea what will happen with this Chelsea or United team, both have to prove they can do it yet.
We also have no idea what will happen over the season. Chelsea and spurs were both pretty hyped up last season at certain points as well and a fair few were readily writing City off after the start they had.
It only takes a bad December to put one of those teams a bit too far behind the leading pack. Taking points off each other could also prove far more valuable than some other years. I still have City as my favourites and I think Liverpool are being written off a bit too quickly.
posted on 2/9/21
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Culér (U9489)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 2 minutes ago
I won't debate Lindelof, but James' and Martial's appearances were limited though. There's a finite number places on the team and minutes to share out over the course of the season.
Do you expect Sancho and Cristiano to achieve those points gains in the same number of minutes Martial and James had last season?
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You must also factor into account the fact that Rashford wasn't fit last year either.
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Please explain this point
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Rashford played all year with an injury so he probably cost us points at times due to his fitness.
Also Cavani missed so many games due to signing late, then being banned and injury.
posted on 2/9/21
comment by Culér (U9489)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 3 minutes ago
The depth on paper of Liverpool's squad (particularly in attack) seems worse than the other sides, but looking elsewhere I don't really think it's that much worse than most of the other sides.
For instance, Gomez and Matip, assuming both wouldn't start over the season, are both decent options and I'd certainly trust them over United's and City's back up CB's for instance. In midfield, the likes of Keita, Jones, Ox etc are not bad options either. Maybe not as strong as City's or Chelsea's on paper, but certainly good enough when given the opportunity and when they aren't plagued by injury. Going forward there is a pretty sizeable drop off, but even a forward line of Jota, Firmino and Elliot I reckon would still do enough to beat many sides in the league.
As much as I agree the squad seems a lot thinner on paper than the others, it's still not "as bad" as what people would assume at first glance.
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Surely Klopp sees Elliot as a CM though? I thought you'd use
Jota
Firmino
Minamino
With Origi
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He might do, but I've seen enough of Origi to know that using Elliot in the attacking trio would be a better shout at this point, I'd even argue the same with Minamino. Whilst I think Minamino still has something to prove, I'd still rather Elliot at this point.
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