Dortmund generally don't defend that well no matter who the manager is. It's a problem they've had for ages and still do. They always seem capable of throwing the ball into their own goal at any moment.

Favre's Gladbach side on the otherhand did defend pretty well.

Ah Gazza Neville, he does talk some crap sometimes…
Just asked on air ‘So Gary, who should the next Manager be?’

‘Ah, now’s not the time to be discussing who should get the job…’

?!? What’s he on about?!
WHAT THE HELL IS HE ON ABOUT?!

Carrick as interim

That cabbage should’ve been on the chopping block.

comment by The Red Side™ (U11275)
posted 6 minutes ago
Dortmund generally don't defend that well no matter who the manager is. It's a problem they've had for ages and still do. They always seem capable of throwing the ball into their own goal at any moment.

Favre's Gladbach side on the otherhand did defend pretty well.
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True but he did nothing to solve the problem and ultimately got the sack because of it... That seems to be our biggest issue on the field right now. Might want to find a person who knows how to solve it... Just saying...

Like his brand of footy though

Very much doubt we have a plan for his successor in place as they seemed desperate to not sack him. He would’ve gone a while back if that was the case.

comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 5 minutes ago
Carrick as interim

That cabbage should’ve been on the chopping block.
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There's a few folk inspecting their purple heads this morning

comment by The Post Nearly Man (U1270)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Jizz_Hornkamp (U15867)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
I'd imagine Carrick was part of the problem?
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And not the NYSE?
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That could also be part of the problem.

There are many parts to this problem
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No, it was a cheap dig at J-H who told us it could not be announced until Monday afternoon.

comment by StringerBell (U11749)
posted 10 minutes ago
Ah Gazza Neville, he does talk some crap sometimes…
Just asked on air ‘So Gary, who should the next Manager be?’

‘Ah, now’s not the time to be discussing who should get the job…’

?!? What’s he on about?!
WHAT THE HELL IS HE ON ABOUT?!
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3 days of mourning then he can discuss it.

comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man (U1270)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Jizz_Hornkamp (U15867)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
I'd imagine Carrick was part of the problem?
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And not the NYSE?
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That could also be part of the problem.

There are many parts to this problem
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No, it was a cheap dig at J-H who told us it could not be announced until Monday afternoon.
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Fair enough

True but he did nothing to solve the problem and ultimately got the sack because of it... That seems to be our biggest issue on the field right now. Might want to find a person who knows how to solve it... Just saying...

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Our defending is just one issue of many as bad it is at the moment. One thing influences the other with this team.

We don't play as a unit in any phase of the game. We're completely disjointed from front to back, devoid of any shape or structure when defending and attacking and it's just exacerbating the problems we have in individual areas.

comment by StringerBell (U11749)
posted 23 minutes ago
Ah Gazza Neville, he does talk some crap sometimes…
Just asked on air ‘So Gary, who should the next Manager be?’

‘Ah, now’s not the time to be discussing who should get the job…’

?!? What’s he on about?!
WHAT THE HELL IS HE ON ABOUT?!
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comment by The Red Side™ (U11275)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
For what it's worth, I'm in the Ten Hag camp rather than Rodgers/Poch/Zidane, but only if there's a competent structure for him to work within. Otherwise we may as well just get the best reactive manager we can find as soon as possible and hope for the best.

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I don't exactly buy the idea that Ten Hag couldn't succeed in spite of the owners and structure around him. Having a really good coach for once won't guarantee success but it should still make a difference with the talent and resources we have at our disposal.
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Depends how you define success.

I want Ten Hag because of the style of football, but there’s still plenty of question marks over whether he’s good enough at the very highest level.

And given there will probably be a number of areas that need addressing in the transfer market to get the squad suitable to play his football at the highest level (if indeed he is good enough) he will still be relying on a recruitment team that haven’t proven themselves capable of addressing problem areas sufficiently.

I hope we get him, but there’s still plenty to worry about because this club is so badly run still.

Depends how you define success.

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I don't put it down to winning the PL or CL anyway.

Yes but that should be what defines success at Manchester United. It’s only because we’ve been so utterly incompetent that qualifying for the CL and be able to play as good as Brighton is what you and I would consider success.

ioag was asking over you the other week, we thought you might be dead.

It should be yes but with the level of competition and coach in England at the moment, there's no guarantee we'd achieve that kind of success even if we actually got a managerial appointment and recruitment right and the team was playing consistently well.

Success would be a more enjoyable playing style, even forgetting about style for a second, a much better drilled team would do as it would still mean we're better to watch than what we have been and if we can perform and win more consistently over the course of the season we should be coming pretty close to winning the biggest competitions even if we don't get over the line.



I took a break which I may or may not do again. The Wolves game at the start of the season killed me and then we announced Ronaldo so I just thought fack it. I really can't stand watching that pr!ck in a United shirt.

Yeah I get that, but ultimately that’s still going to be a measuring stick for what success is. It’s been normalised by the club that it’s not failure to achieve this, which is why we are where we are.

I would have a different judgement, similar to you, but that’s only because of where this club is rather than it being in any way a big club in anything but name.

Don’t pretend you think this is a sad moment, Arab.

You’ve given Ole all kinds of abuse during his tenure.

And anyway, I still think there are many question marks over whether what you can describe in your second paragraph can be achieved, for the reasons I’ve given.

I’m more than happy to take the risk, as I think the potential reward outweigh the risks.

And anyway, I still think there are many question marks over whether what you can describe in your second paragraph can be achieved, for the reasons I’ve given.

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I can't obviously sit here and say all of or even some of that will happen by any means but if we do manage to get a quality manager in who between him and his staff can drill and coach this team better tactically and technically, who's able to rotate the squad without suffering a massive drop off in quality and who won't have a total meltdown and obliterate everyone and everything in his path when things aren't going his way on and off the field, I feel like despite the incompetence from above, we've got a chance of doing a lot better than we've ever done post-SAF.

Yeah but I think that tactically, technically and depth in certain areas we are lacking quite a bit. It’s why this has been such a waste of three years, we’ve just collected players with no thought as to how they’ll play together properly. I know the coaching isn’t good enough, but the composition of the squad isn’t either.

You’ll probably know more about Ten Hag’s preferences than I do, but based on what I’ve seen and what I know, it wouldn’t surprise me it he would want to replace Ronaldo, De Gea, Maguire, AWB and both central midfielders.

I know you’ve said before that the coaching makes the players look worse than they are, and there’s some truth in that, but I think the limitations of a lot of the players are obvious and the collective makeup of the team is lacking so badly that it will take a lot of time and investment for an idealist like Ten Hag to get this team performing like he’d want.

I’m all for that, by the way. Shame we didn’t appoint him three years ago.

I hoo it's do take their time and get it right this time.

Feel for Ole as he was well out of his depth. But his role initially was just to stabilise. I think he did that initially but imo how he's left us we need stabilising again.

I think am interim manager is a good idea, unlikely to see a manager leave a club at this point in the season. That said I don't know who is available currently apart fr zidane, who I don't think suits us currently

Yeah you're spot on about the limitations and poor composition of the squad being a problem and it will still need quite a bit of work doing to it.

We've been saying since Ole's first summer transfer window that the squad building under him hasn't been as good as some people have made out.

I'd say you're right about quite a few of those players you've named although it'd be difficult to offload and replace all of them immediately so I'd hope we'd see some improvements individually and together with a collective improvement, I'm hoping a better structure will mask some individual weaknesses until we can bring in replacements.

It’s obviously worth considering what comprises he would have to make. Even idealists have to make some when managing clubs that don’t have everything for them right away.

I think the biggest issues are selling or renewing Pogba. The unbalance created by Ronaldo, which I think has happened.

The rest I think a proper coach/manager could start an identity with. So I think ddg is an issue but we have hendo to work with. Maguire is potentially and issue but we do have players who can potentially cover. The likes of Amad etc who we haven't seen much of can be utilised.

Playing vdb and Sancho more etc.

One thing we managers always did was play certain players in different positions. The best example would be someone like Bale but even us using giggs in mf or how sad utilised mgrath in a couple of matches early on in his career.

Would a Bailly or awb work in a similar way? Maybe not but managers can try. It's not always ideal but until you fill the positions it's options, maybe?

comment by rossobianchi (U17054)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
Don’t pretend you think this is a sad moment, Arab.

You’ve given Ole all kinds of abuse during his tenure.
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Eh? I’ve been hard on him but I haven’t abused the bloke. If calling him a lame duck is abuse then you’re a snowflake