Can Tuchel win the league though?
Klopp's first match day squad:
Mignolet
Clyne
Skrtel
Sakho
Moreno
Lucas
Can
Lallana
Milner
Coutinho
Origi
Bogdan
Toure
Allen
Sinclair
Texiera
Randall
Hope that helps.
Or the fact that Chelsea simply had the best the squad upon the managers arrival?
Klopp’s first Liverpool team.
- - - - - - - - - Mignolet
Clyne- - -Skrtel- - Sakho- - - Moreno
- - - - - -Can- - - - - - Lucas
- - Lallana- - Coutinho- - - Milner
- - - - - - - - - - - Origi
On the bench that day were Adam Bogdan, Kolo Toure, Jerome Sinclair, Joao Carlos Texiera and Connor Randall.
Tuchel’s first Chelsea side.
- - - - - - - - - Mendy
- - - - Dave- -Thiago- - Rudey
-CHO- -Jorginho- -Kovacic- -Chillwell
- - - - - Ziyech- - - - Havertz
- - - - - - - - - Giroud
And a bench consisting of the worlds most expensive keeper and a couple of other players valued in to the millions!!!!
comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 2 minutes ago
Can Tuchel win the league though?
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African cup of nations will f*** them and Liverpool I think - Kepa in goal for Chsea
Tucheldyce he’s being called for pragmatic football, I think he’s doing a good job but would rather have klopp
That's a poor excuse. Liverpool finished 5th the season before Klopp took over and Chelsea finished 4th the season Tuchel took over.
Liverpool were 10th in the league when Klopp became manager. Chelsea were 8th in the league when Tuchel took over. Both teams were of similar quality.
comment by Wahl._ (U22751)
posted 2 minutes ago
That's a poor excuse. Liverpool finished 5th the season before Klopp took over and Chelsea finished 4th the season Tuchel took over.
Liverpool were 10th in the league when Klopp became manager. Chelsea were 8th in the league when Tuchel took over. Both teams were of similar quality.
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Use your eyes. Read the names. Remember the players.
Hope that helps.
Klopp was top of the league at one point in his first full season too.
comment by Wahl._ (U22751)
posted 21 seconds ago
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Both teams were of similar quality.
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This one line proves l knows fuсk all about football and is just a WUM with Mourinho's сосk permanently in his gob.
Amazing how Klopp took a world-class squad that was basically Liverpool's highest scoring side in 130 years and their closest to winning the PL in about two decades, and when you look back on them now it seems like they were a bunch of journeymen and losers.
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Wahl._ (U22751)
posted 2 minutes ago
That's a poor excuse. Liverpool finished 5th the season before Klopp took over and Chelsea finished 4th the season Tuchel took over.
Liverpool were 10th in the league when Klopp became manager. Chelsea were 8th in the league when Tuchel took over. Both teams were of similar quality.
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Use your eyes. Read the names. Remember the players.
Hope that helps.
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Look at the league positions. The teams were of similar levels. Football is more than how good the names look on paper, it's about how the players function as a team.
comment by Wahl._ (U22751)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Wahl._ (U22751)
posted 2 minutes ago
That's a poor excuse. Liverpool finished 5th the season before Klopp took over and Chelsea finished 4th the season Tuchel took over.
Liverpool were 10th in the league when Klopp became manager. Chelsea were 8th in the league when Tuchel took over. Both teams were of similar quality.
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Use your eyes. Read the names. Remember the players.
Hope that helps.
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Look at the league positions. The teams were of similar levels. Football is more than how good the names look on paper, it's about how the players function as a team.
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League position only matters at the end pal , we are nicely tucked in the top 4 playing great football
No comparison as they both took over completely different squads and situations. Tuchel took over a very good, yet underperforming team whereas Klopp took over a team that was performing at about the level they were at.
Klopp had to essentially reface the entire side, with the only lasting player from his first team to now is Henderson. Tuchel invested in Lukaku and a couple of other players to strengthen the squad which shows how much "more" Klopp needed to do than Tuchel.
That's not to say either are doing poor jobs or anything, but it just seems silly to compare who is the better manager based on the length of time they've had to achieve the top trophies when they started at completely different stages.
comment by Wahl._ (U22751)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Wahl._ (U22751)
posted 2 minutes ago
That's a poor excuse. Liverpool finished 5th the season before Klopp took over and Chelsea finished 4th the season Tuchel took over.
Liverpool were 10th in the league when Klopp became manager. Chelsea were 8th in the league when Tuchel took over. Both teams were of similar quality.
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Use your eyes. Read the names. Remember the players.
Hope that helps.
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Look at the league positions. The teams were of similar levels. Football is more than how good the names look on paper, it's about how the players function as a team.
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But it would be like comparing Man United to West Ham in 5 years time and saying "which manager has done the better job Moyes or x" (assuming United win something and do well in that time).
You have to actually put some context into what you're writing, you can't just mindlessly come out with facts, league positions etc when that doesn't show the full extent of the situation.
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 1 minute ago
No comparison as they both took over completely different squads and situations. Tuchel took over a very good, yet underperforming team whereas Klopp took over a team that was performing at about the level they were at.
Klopp had to essentially reface the entire side, with the only lasting player from his first team to now is Henderson. Tuchel invested in Lukaku and a couple of other players to strengthen the squad which shows how much "more" Klopp needed to do than Tuchel.
That's not to say either are doing poor jobs or anything, but it just seems silly to compare who is the better manager based on the length of time they've had to achieve the top trophies when they started at completely different stages.
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As I said earlier
"Liverpool finished 5th the season before Klopp took over and Chelsea finished 4th the season Tuchel took over.
Liverpool were 10th in the league when Klopp became manager. Chelsea were 8th in the league when Tuchel took over. Both teams were of similar quality.
Tuchel walked into a team that had qualified for UCL the previous season AND had about £250m spent on it that summer.
Klopp's was far more of a rebuild. Their team that won the UCL and the league were nearly all bought by Klopp. Tuchel inherited an embarrassment of riches
comment by KLS (U1695)
posted 20 minutes ago
Or the fact that Chelsea simply had the best the squad upon the managers arrival?
Klopp’s first Liverpool team.
- - - - - - - - - Mignolet
Clyne- - -Skrtel- - Sakho- - - Moreno
- - - - - -Can- - - - - - Lucas
- - Lallana- - Coutinho- - - Milner
- - - - - - - - - - - Origi
On the bench that day were Adam Bogdan, Kolo Toure, Jerome Sinclair, Joao Carlos Texiera and Connor Randall.
Tuchel’s first Chelsea side.
- - - - - - - - - Mendy
- - - - Dave- -Thiago- - Rudey
-CHO- -Jorginho- -Kovacic- -Chillwell
- - - - - Ziyech- - - - Havertz
- - - - - - - - - Giroud
And a bench consisting of the worlds most expensive keeper and a couple of other players valued in to the millions!!!!
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Not sure this thread needs anything else after this and Naby's comment
comment by Wahl._ (U22751)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Wahl._ (U22751)
posted 2 minutes ago
That's a poor excuse. Liverpool finished 5th the season before Klopp took over and Chelsea finished 4th the season Tuchel took over.
Liverpool were 10th in the league when Klopp became manager. Chelsea were 8th in the league when Tuchel took over. Both teams were of similar quality.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Use your eyes. Read the names. Remember the players.
Hope that helps.
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Look at the league positions. The teams were of similar levels. Football is more than how good the names look on paper, it's about how the players function as a team.
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Chelsea spent £250m refreshing the squad 6 months before Tuchel started, Lampard was just doing a terrible job.
Tuchel has done a fantastic job, no arguments at all. But comparing the two is just absolute nonsense.
comment by Kroenke_out (U21076)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 2 minutes ago
Can Tuchel win the league though?
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African cup of nations will f*** them and Liverpool I think - Kepa in goal for Chsea
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Kepa is fine
comment by Wahl._ (U22751)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 1 minute ago
No comparison as they both took over completely different squads and situations. Tuchel took over a very good, yet underperforming team whereas Klopp took over a team that was performing at about the level they were at.
Klopp had to essentially reface the entire side, with the only lasting player from his first team to now is Henderson. Tuchel invested in Lukaku and a couple of other players to strengthen the squad which shows how much "more" Klopp needed to do than Tuchel.
That's not to say either are doing poor jobs or anything, but it just seems silly to compare who is the better manager based on the length of time they've had to achieve the top trophies when they started at completely different stages.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
As I said earlier
"Liverpool finished 5th the season before Klopp took over and Chelsea finished 4th the season Tuchel took over.
Liverpool were 10th in the league when Klopp became manager. Chelsea were 8th in the league when Tuchel took over. Both teams were of similar quality.
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And as I have said above, listing stats without context is meaningless.
It's obvious Chelsea had much more quality than the Liverpool side, Tuchel took over an underperforming side at the time of his arrival whereas Klopp took over a side that was probably par for the course really and performing at the level you'd expect that squad to be at.
It shows a lot that Tuchel had to buy a CF and a couple of squad players to be where they are now whereas Klopp has had to reshape 95%+ of this squad.
I would say both managers are made of the same stuff
comment by FC Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 5 seconds ago
I would say both managers are made of the same stuff
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That is pretty accurate, don't see how you can say Tuchel is better because he took over a good side in a poor position as opposed to Klopp who took over an average side in an average position.
comment by FC Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 minute ago
I would say both managers are made of the same stuff
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Horseshit?
Is it that Tuchel squad had quality or is that he made them into quality? Because they were 8th in the league before he came
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posted on 22/11/21
Can Tuchel win the league though?
posted on 22/11/21
Klopp's first match day squad:
Mignolet
Clyne
Skrtel
Sakho
Moreno
Lucas
Can
Lallana
Milner
Coutinho
Origi
Bogdan
Toure
Allen
Sinclair
Texiera
Randall
Hope that helps.
posted on 22/11/21
Or the fact that Chelsea simply had the best the squad upon the managers arrival?
Klopp’s first Liverpool team.
- - - - - - - - - Mignolet
Clyne- - -Skrtel- - Sakho- - - Moreno
- - - - - -Can- - - - - - Lucas
- - Lallana- - Coutinho- - - Milner
- - - - - - - - - - - Origi
On the bench that day were Adam Bogdan, Kolo Toure, Jerome Sinclair, Joao Carlos Texiera and Connor Randall.
Tuchel’s first Chelsea side.
- - - - - - - - - Mendy
- - - - Dave- -Thiago- - Rudey
-CHO- -Jorginho- -Kovacic- -Chillwell
- - - - - Ziyech- - - - Havertz
- - - - - - - - - Giroud
And a bench consisting of the worlds most expensive keeper and a couple of other players valued in to the millions!!!!
posted on 22/11/21
comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 2 minutes ago
Can Tuchel win the league though?
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African cup of nations will f*** them and Liverpool I think - Kepa in goal for Chsea
posted on 22/11/21
*Chelsea
posted on 22/11/21
Tucheldyce he’s being called for pragmatic football, I think he’s doing a good job but would rather have klopp
posted on 22/11/21
That's a poor excuse. Liverpool finished 5th the season before Klopp took over and Chelsea finished 4th the season Tuchel took over.
Liverpool were 10th in the league when Klopp became manager. Chelsea were 8th in the league when Tuchel took over. Both teams were of similar quality.
posted on 22/11/21
comment by Wahl._ (U22751)
posted 2 minutes ago
That's a poor excuse. Liverpool finished 5th the season before Klopp took over and Chelsea finished 4th the season Tuchel took over.
Liverpool were 10th in the league when Klopp became manager. Chelsea were 8th in the league when Tuchel took over. Both teams were of similar quality.
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Use your eyes. Read the names. Remember the players.
Hope that helps.
posted on 22/11/21
Klopp was top of the league at one point in his first full season too.
posted on 22/11/21
comment by Wahl._ (U22751)
posted 21 seconds ago
...
Both teams were of similar quality.
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This one line proves l knows fuсk all about football and is just a WUM with Mourinho's сосk permanently in his gob.
posted on 22/11/21
Amazing how Klopp took a world-class squad that was basically Liverpool's highest scoring side in 130 years and their closest to winning the PL in about two decades, and when you look back on them now it seems like they were a bunch of journeymen and losers.
posted on 22/11/21
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Wahl._ (U22751)
posted 2 minutes ago
That's a poor excuse. Liverpool finished 5th the season before Klopp took over and Chelsea finished 4th the season Tuchel took over.
Liverpool were 10th in the league when Klopp became manager. Chelsea were 8th in the league when Tuchel took over. Both teams were of similar quality.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Use your eyes. Read the names. Remember the players.
Hope that helps.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Look at the league positions. The teams were of similar levels. Football is more than how good the names look on paper, it's about how the players function as a team.
posted on 22/11/21
comment by Wahl._ (U22751)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Wahl._ (U22751)
posted 2 minutes ago
That's a poor excuse. Liverpool finished 5th the season before Klopp took over and Chelsea finished 4th the season Tuchel took over.
Liverpool were 10th in the league when Klopp became manager. Chelsea were 8th in the league when Tuchel took over. Both teams were of similar quality.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Use your eyes. Read the names. Remember the players.
Hope that helps.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Look at the league positions. The teams were of similar levels. Football is more than how good the names look on paper, it's about how the players function as a team.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
League position only matters at the end pal , we are nicely tucked in the top 4 playing great football
posted on 22/11/21
No comparison as they both took over completely different squads and situations. Tuchel took over a very good, yet underperforming team whereas Klopp took over a team that was performing at about the level they were at.
Klopp had to essentially reface the entire side, with the only lasting player from his first team to now is Henderson. Tuchel invested in Lukaku and a couple of other players to strengthen the squad which shows how much "more" Klopp needed to do than Tuchel.
That's not to say either are doing poor jobs or anything, but it just seems silly to compare who is the better manager based on the length of time they've had to achieve the top trophies when they started at completely different stages.
posted on 22/11/21
comment by Wahl._ (U22751)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Wahl._ (U22751)
posted 2 minutes ago
That's a poor excuse. Liverpool finished 5th the season before Klopp took over and Chelsea finished 4th the season Tuchel took over.
Liverpool were 10th in the league when Klopp became manager. Chelsea were 8th in the league when Tuchel took over. Both teams were of similar quality.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Use your eyes. Read the names. Remember the players.
Hope that helps.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Look at the league positions. The teams were of similar levels. Football is more than how good the names look on paper, it's about how the players function as a team.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But it would be like comparing Man United to West Ham in 5 years time and saying "which manager has done the better job Moyes or x" (assuming United win something and do well in that time).
You have to actually put some context into what you're writing, you can't just mindlessly come out with facts, league positions etc when that doesn't show the full extent of the situation.
posted on 22/11/21
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 1 minute ago
No comparison as they both took over completely different squads and situations. Tuchel took over a very good, yet underperforming team whereas Klopp took over a team that was performing at about the level they were at.
Klopp had to essentially reface the entire side, with the only lasting player from his first team to now is Henderson. Tuchel invested in Lukaku and a couple of other players to strengthen the squad which shows how much "more" Klopp needed to do than Tuchel.
That's not to say either are doing poor jobs or anything, but it just seems silly to compare who is the better manager based on the length of time they've had to achieve the top trophies when they started at completely different stages.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
As I said earlier
"Liverpool finished 5th the season before Klopp took over and Chelsea finished 4th the season Tuchel took over.
Liverpool were 10th in the league when Klopp became manager. Chelsea were 8th in the league when Tuchel took over. Both teams were of similar quality.
posted on 22/11/21
Tuchel walked into a team that had qualified for UCL the previous season AND had about £250m spent on it that summer.
Klopp's was far more of a rebuild. Their team that won the UCL and the league were nearly all bought by Klopp. Tuchel inherited an embarrassment of riches
posted on 22/11/21
comment by KLS (U1695)
posted 20 minutes ago
Or the fact that Chelsea simply had the best the squad upon the managers arrival?
Klopp’s first Liverpool team.
- - - - - - - - - Mignolet
Clyne- - -Skrtel- - Sakho- - - Moreno
- - - - - -Can- - - - - - Lucas
- - Lallana- - Coutinho- - - Milner
- - - - - - - - - - - Origi
On the bench that day were Adam Bogdan, Kolo Toure, Jerome Sinclair, Joao Carlos Texiera and Connor Randall.
Tuchel’s first Chelsea side.
- - - - - - - - - Mendy
- - - - Dave- -Thiago- - Rudey
-CHO- -Jorginho- -Kovacic- -Chillwell
- - - - - Ziyech- - - - Havertz
- - - - - - - - - Giroud
And a bench consisting of the worlds most expensive keeper and a couple of other players valued in to the millions!!!!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not sure this thread needs anything else after this and Naby's comment
posted on 22/11/21
comment by Wahl._ (U22751)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Wahl._ (U22751)
posted 2 minutes ago
That's a poor excuse. Liverpool finished 5th the season before Klopp took over and Chelsea finished 4th the season Tuchel took over.
Liverpool were 10th in the league when Klopp became manager. Chelsea were 8th in the league when Tuchel took over. Both teams were of similar quality.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Use your eyes. Read the names. Remember the players.
Hope that helps.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Look at the league positions. The teams were of similar levels. Football is more than how good the names look on paper, it's about how the players function as a team.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Chelsea spent £250m refreshing the squad 6 months before Tuchel started, Lampard was just doing a terrible job.
Tuchel has done a fantastic job, no arguments at all. But comparing the two is just absolute nonsense.
posted on 22/11/21
comment by Kroenke_out (U21076)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 2 minutes ago
Can Tuchel win the league though?
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African cup of nations will f*** them and Liverpool I think - Kepa in goal for Chsea
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Kepa is fine
posted on 22/11/21
comment by Wahl._ (U22751)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 1 minute ago
No comparison as they both took over completely different squads and situations. Tuchel took over a very good, yet underperforming team whereas Klopp took over a team that was performing at about the level they were at.
Klopp had to essentially reface the entire side, with the only lasting player from his first team to now is Henderson. Tuchel invested in Lukaku and a couple of other players to strengthen the squad which shows how much "more" Klopp needed to do than Tuchel.
That's not to say either are doing poor jobs or anything, but it just seems silly to compare who is the better manager based on the length of time they've had to achieve the top trophies when they started at completely different stages.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
As I said earlier
"Liverpool finished 5th the season before Klopp took over and Chelsea finished 4th the season Tuchel took over.
Liverpool were 10th in the league when Klopp became manager. Chelsea were 8th in the league when Tuchel took over. Both teams were of similar quality.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And as I have said above, listing stats without context is meaningless.
It's obvious Chelsea had much more quality than the Liverpool side, Tuchel took over an underperforming side at the time of his arrival whereas Klopp took over a side that was probably par for the course really and performing at the level you'd expect that squad to be at.
It shows a lot that Tuchel had to buy a CF and a couple of squad players to be where they are now whereas Klopp has had to reshape 95%+ of this squad.
posted on 22/11/21
I would say both managers are made of the same stuff
posted on 22/11/21
comment by FC Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 5 seconds ago
I would say both managers are made of the same stuff
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That is pretty accurate, don't see how you can say Tuchel is better because he took over a good side in a poor position as opposed to Klopp who took over an average side in an average position.
posted on 22/11/21
comment by FC Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 minute ago
I would say both managers are made of the same stuff
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Horseshit?
posted on 22/11/21
Is it that Tuchel squad had quality or is that he made them into quality? Because they were 8th in the league before he came
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