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aside from a few races in the early part of the season where RB looked the quicker car, Mercedes has been the car to beat this season.
despite it being a 22 race season, Mercedes using more new sparkly engines, Hamilton has actually returned his lowest amount of race wins and podiums since 2014.
might be time for the 36 year old to accept Father Time waits for no man. RB will be stronger next year, Max has the monkey off his back, Ferrari surely cant being this bad with all th money they have.
might be best he goes out now and doesn't end up like those sportsmen who just didn't realize when their time was up.
I think Russell will show him up for what he is next season
Mercedes were quite happy to favour Hamilton over Bottas…..Russell is their future though, and he showed in that race last year that he can cut it at the top
Was Mercedes themselves that cost him that victory more than anyone….and I’m still not entirely sure myself whether that was intentional or not
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 29 minutes ago
thats not how it works tho.
he races for mercedes. he is not an independent.
his actions could've caused Rosberg to try get out the choke hold and do something crazy which could've resulted in a huge accident between the pair of them, potentially severely hurting one or both of them, potentially jeopardizing their ability to race int he future, and causing millions of damage to their cars.
thats how Mercedes get screwed in that instance.
just like with footballers, youre not bigger than the club. the spoilt twerp however thinks he is. hence why he is roundly disliked aside from fan boys like yourself.
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If you have followed motorsport,that is exactly how has it always worked. Racing drivers are aggressive and ultra compet
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 4 minutes ago
I think Russell will show him up for what he is next season
Mercedes were quite happy to favour Hamilton over Bottas…..Russell is their future though, and he showed in that race last year that he can cut it at the top
Was Mercedes themselves that cost him that victory more than anyone….and I’m still not entirely sure myself whether that was intentional or not
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He might well do.Hamilton is close to the end 9f his career. I would be dissapointed if Russell does not pressure him
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 25 minutes ago
aside from a few races in the early part of the season where RB looked the quicker car, Mercedes has been the car to beat this season.
despite it being a 22 race season, Mercedes using more new sparkly engines, Hamilton has actually returned his lowest amount of race wins and podiums since 2014.
might be time for the 36 year old to accept Father Time waits for no man. RB will be stronger next year, Max has the monkey off his back, Ferrari surely cant being this bad with all th money they have.
might be best he goes out now and doesn't end up like those sportsmen who just didn't realize when their time was up.
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RB were faster to at least half the season. Mercedes then found faster straight line speed, but hat only works on the right tracks.
Yesterday was a disaster for F1.
But I think RB in terms of Max versus Lewis have been so much better tactically than Mercedes across the whole season and ultimately I think that has been the difference in the end.
I don’t think it was a disaster at all
I haven’t seen this many people talking about and watching f1 in years
What’s that old saying….there’s no such thing as bad publicity?
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted less than a minute ago
I don’t think it was a disaster at all
I haven’t seen this many people talking about and watching f1 in years
What’s that old saying….there’s no such thing as bad publicity?
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They were watching it vexause of the situation.
The wind was a disaster. Even Harry Kane wasconfused<laugh<
Anyone that doesn’t know the rules would watch that last lap and think….wow
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 2 minutes ago
Anyone that doesn’t know the rules would watch that last lap and think….wow
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They thought it was stupid
He’s obviously a Hamilton fan, which makes the difference
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 15 minutes ago
I think Russell will show him up for what he is next season
Mercedes were quite happy to favour Hamilton over Bottas…..Russell is their future though, and he showed in that race last year that he can cut it at the top
Was Mercedes themselves that cost him that victory more than anyone….and I’m still not entirely sure myself whether that was intentional or not
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It does seem a bit tinfoil hatty, but for Mercedes to have their most incompetent race ever in a race that just so happens to be led by a guy who could show up Hamilton... something is definitely fishy about that.
Perhaps it wasn't deliberate, but I can imagine the attitude of "Hamilton's not here lads, let's take the weekend easy and not really bother", leading to a bunch of mistakes.
Sadly I wouldn't be surprised if George was put in his place straight away. After all, in the first Ros/Ham season, Rosberg started off with two car failures in the first three races. He significantly outperformed Hamilton after that too.
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comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 1 hour, 48 minutes ago
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 2 minutes ago
Anyone that doesn’t know the rules would watch that last lap and think….wow
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They thought it was stupid
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Case in point: I'm barely even a casual viewer, don't understand the minutiae of the rules at all, but I can't wrap my head around how the guy in the lead can build up a 15 second lead by being the faster driver, and then have that lead completely wiped out because of circumstances entirely out of his control (ie. an unrelated driver crashing > safety car)... And then the rules be changed (or so I understand) midway through a race in a way that seems to massively favour the guy who was basically given back the 15 seconds he'd previously lost.
I understand the whole "It's the luck of the draw" argument, a bit like how refereeing decisions (supposedly) even themselves out over a season, but that doesn't seem like a very satisfactory explanation to me. Seems more like a weak justification for something that is clearly objectively unfair.
Would it not be objectively fairer for the cars to restart at the time intervals they were at before the safety car came out? That way (for example) the guy in the lead gets to keep his 15 second lead, and no-one benefits or loses out from the fact that a random 3rd party crashed.
Like I say, I don't know the sport. It just seems bizarre from a logical perspective that one person can be the quickest driver, build up a big lead, and then the guy behind just gets a freebie. It strikes me that that just opens the door to controversial situations like yesterday.
And am I right in thinking this race director guy is being accused of corruption of some sort? It does seem very dodgy that one guy can just make these decisions on the fly which can have such a huge impact on the playing (driving?) field.
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It's extremely dodgy and there is more than just a hint of corruption about it
The overall burning question for me is simply, why were the only lapped cars which were allowed to unlap themselves were the 5 between Verstappen & Hamilton?
Surely, any sane interpretation of the rules would mean that either ALL or NONE of the lapped cars could overtake the safety car.
Not just the select few, which enabled MV to accelerate right up to Lewis and easily overtake him because he had a fresh set of soft tyres.
This wrapped the title for Verstappen and handed it him in gold foil
Should have stopped and restarted it from the pit lane for two laps.
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 1 hour, 48 minutes ago
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 2 minutes ago
Anyone that doesn’t know the rules would watch that last lap and think….wow
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They thought it was stupid
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Case in point: I'm barely even a casual viewer, don't understand the minutiae of the rules at all, but I can't wrap my head around how the guy in the lead can build up a 15 second lead by being the faster driver, and then have that lead completely wiped out because of circumstances entirely out of his control (ie. an unrelated driver crashing > safety car)... And then the rules be changed (or so I understand) midway through a race in a way that seems to massively favour the guy who was basically given back the 15 seconds he'd previously lost.
I understand the whole "It's the luck of the draw" argument, a bit like how refereeing decisions (supposedly) even themselves out over a season, but that doesn't seem like a very satisfactory explanation to me. Seems more like a weak justification for something that is clearly objectively unfair.
Would it not be objectively fairer for the cars to restart at the time intervals they were at before the safety car came out? That way (for example) the guy in the lead gets to keep his 15 second lead, and no-one benefits or loses out from the fact that a random 3rd party crashed.
Like I say, I don't know the sport. It just seems bizarre from a logical perspective that one person can be the quickest driver, build up a big lead, and then the guy behind just gets a freebie. It strikes me that that just opens the door to controversial situations like yesterday.
And am I right in thinking this race director guy is being accused of corruption of some sort? It does seem very dodgy that one guy can just make these decisions on the fly which can have such a huge impact on the playing (driving?) field.
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He applied the rules. People are just reading one rule and ignore the rest to support their flawed argument.
How is he corrupt when he's been favouring both drivers throughout the season. Inconsistency is not the same as corrupt
Yesterday he was inconsistent then he was cheating today he's corrupt tomorrow he's on red bulls payroll
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comment by Michael, this isn't right. 😭 (U10408)
posted 29 minutes ago
Drivers have lost a lot more than 12seconds due to a safety car before.
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Right - but isn't that completely illogical? It seems very unfair that the best driver on the day gets handicapped like that when the safety car isn't their fault. Surely there's a more logical way to do it (like, as I suggested, restarting the race on a staggered basis according to the intervals between cars pre-stoppage)?
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posted on 13/12/21
aside from a few races in the early part of the season where RB looked the quicker car, Mercedes has been the car to beat this season.
despite it being a 22 race season, Mercedes using more new sparkly engines, Hamilton has actually returned his lowest amount of race wins and podiums since 2014.
might be time for the 36 year old to accept Father Time waits for no man. RB will be stronger next year, Max has the monkey off his back, Ferrari surely cant being this bad with all th money they have.
might be best he goes out now and doesn't end up like those sportsmen who just didn't realize when their time was up.
posted on 13/12/21
I think Russell will show him up for what he is next season
Mercedes were quite happy to favour Hamilton over Bottas…..Russell is their future though, and he showed in that race last year that he can cut it at the top
Was Mercedes themselves that cost him that victory more than anyone….and I’m still not entirely sure myself whether that was intentional or not
posted on 13/12/21
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 29 minutes ago
thats not how it works tho.
he races for mercedes. he is not an independent.
his actions could've caused Rosberg to try get out the choke hold and do something crazy which could've resulted in a huge accident between the pair of them, potentially severely hurting one or both of them, potentially jeopardizing their ability to race int he future, and causing millions of damage to their cars.
thats how Mercedes get screwed in that instance.
just like with footballers, youre not bigger than the club. the spoilt twerp however thinks he is. hence why he is roundly disliked aside from fan boys like yourself.
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If you have followed motorsport,that is exactly how has it always worked. Racing drivers are aggressive and ultra compet
posted on 13/12/21
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 4 minutes ago
I think Russell will show him up for what he is next season
Mercedes were quite happy to favour Hamilton over Bottas…..Russell is their future though, and he showed in that race last year that he can cut it at the top
Was Mercedes themselves that cost him that victory more than anyone….and I’m still not entirely sure myself whether that was intentional or not
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He might well do.Hamilton is close to the end 9f his career. I would be dissapointed if Russell does not pressure him
posted on 13/12/21
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 25 minutes ago
aside from a few races in the early part of the season where RB looked the quicker car, Mercedes has been the car to beat this season.
despite it being a 22 race season, Mercedes using more new sparkly engines, Hamilton has actually returned his lowest amount of race wins and podiums since 2014.
might be time for the 36 year old to accept Father Time waits for no man. RB will be stronger next year, Max has the monkey off his back, Ferrari surely cant being this bad with all th money they have.
might be best he goes out now and doesn't end up like those sportsmen who just didn't realize when their time was up.
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RB were faster to at least half the season. Mercedes then found faster straight line speed, but hat only works on the right tracks.
posted on 13/12/21
Yesterday was a disaster for F1.
But I think RB in terms of Max versus Lewis have been so much better tactically than Mercedes across the whole season and ultimately I think that has been the difference in the end.
posted on 13/12/21
I don’t think it was a disaster at all
I haven’t seen this many people talking about and watching f1 in years
What’s that old saying….there’s no such thing as bad publicity?
posted on 13/12/21
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted less than a minute ago
I don’t think it was a disaster at all
I haven’t seen this many people talking about and watching f1 in years
What’s that old saying….there’s no such thing as bad publicity?
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They were watching it vexause of the situation.
The wind was a disaster. Even Harry Kane wasconfused<laugh<
posted on 13/12/21
Anyone that doesn’t know the rules would watch that last lap and think….wow
posted on 13/12/21
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 2 minutes ago
Anyone that doesn’t know the rules would watch that last lap and think….wow
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They thought it was stupid
posted on 13/12/21
Read Kane's tweets
posted on 13/12/21
He’s obviously a Hamilton fan, which makes the difference
posted on 13/12/21
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 15 minutes ago
I think Russell will show him up for what he is next season
Mercedes were quite happy to favour Hamilton over Bottas…..Russell is their future though, and he showed in that race last year that he can cut it at the top
Was Mercedes themselves that cost him that victory more than anyone….and I’m still not entirely sure myself whether that was intentional or not
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It does seem a bit tinfoil hatty, but for Mercedes to have their most incompetent race ever in a race that just so happens to be led by a guy who could show up Hamilton... something is definitely fishy about that.
Perhaps it wasn't deliberate, but I can imagine the attitude of "Hamilton's not here lads, let's take the weekend easy and not really bother", leading to a bunch of mistakes.
Sadly I wouldn't be surprised if George was put in his place straight away. After all, in the first Ros/Ham season, Rosberg started off with two car failures in the first three races. He significantly outperformed Hamilton after that too.
posted on 13/12/21
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posted on 13/12/21
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 1 hour, 48 minutes ago
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 2 minutes ago
Anyone that doesn’t know the rules would watch that last lap and think….wow
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They thought it was stupid
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Case in point: I'm barely even a casual viewer, don't understand the minutiae of the rules at all, but I can't wrap my head around how the guy in the lead can build up a 15 second lead by being the faster driver, and then have that lead completely wiped out because of circumstances entirely out of his control (ie. an unrelated driver crashing > safety car)... And then the rules be changed (or so I understand) midway through a race in a way that seems to massively favour the guy who was basically given back the 15 seconds he'd previously lost.
I understand the whole "It's the luck of the draw" argument, a bit like how refereeing decisions (supposedly) even themselves out over a season, but that doesn't seem like a very satisfactory explanation to me. Seems more like a weak justification for something that is clearly objectively unfair.
Would it not be objectively fairer for the cars to restart at the time intervals they were at before the safety car came out? That way (for example) the guy in the lead gets to keep his 15 second lead, and no-one benefits or loses out from the fact that a random 3rd party crashed.
Like I say, I don't know the sport. It just seems bizarre from a logical perspective that one person can be the quickest driver, build up a big lead, and then the guy behind just gets a freebie. It strikes me that that just opens the door to controversial situations like yesterday.
And am I right in thinking this race director guy is being accused of corruption of some sort? It does seem very dodgy that one guy can just make these decisions on the fly which can have such a huge impact on the playing (driving?) field.
posted on 13/12/21
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posted on 13/12/21
It's extremely dodgy and there is more than just a hint of corruption about it
The overall burning question for me is simply, why were the only lapped cars which were allowed to unlap themselves were the 5 between Verstappen & Hamilton?
Surely, any sane interpretation of the rules would mean that either ALL or NONE of the lapped cars could overtake the safety car.
Not just the select few, which enabled MV to accelerate right up to Lewis and easily overtake him because he had a fresh set of soft tyres.
This wrapped the title for Verstappen and handed it him in gold foil
posted on 13/12/21
Should have stopped and restarted it from the pit lane for two laps.
posted on 13/12/21
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 1 hour, 48 minutes ago
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 2 minutes ago
Anyone that doesn’t know the rules would watch that last lap and think….wow
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They thought it was stupid
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Case in point: I'm barely even a casual viewer, don't understand the minutiae of the rules at all, but I can't wrap my head around how the guy in the lead can build up a 15 second lead by being the faster driver, and then have that lead completely wiped out because of circumstances entirely out of his control (ie. an unrelated driver crashing > safety car)... And then the rules be changed (or so I understand) midway through a race in a way that seems to massively favour the guy who was basically given back the 15 seconds he'd previously lost.
I understand the whole "It's the luck of the draw" argument, a bit like how refereeing decisions (supposedly) even themselves out over a season, but that doesn't seem like a very satisfactory explanation to me. Seems more like a weak justification for something that is clearly objectively unfair.
Would it not be objectively fairer for the cars to restart at the time intervals they were at before the safety car came out? That way (for example) the guy in the lead gets to keep his 15 second lead, and no-one benefits or loses out from the fact that a random 3rd party crashed.
Like I say, I don't know the sport. It just seems bizarre from a logical perspective that one person can be the quickest driver, build up a big lead, and then the guy behind just gets a freebie. It strikes me that that just opens the door to controversial situations like yesterday.
And am I right in thinking this race director guy is being accused of corruption of some sort? It does seem very dodgy that one guy can just make these decisions on the fly which can have such a huge impact on the playing (driving?) field.
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He applied the rules. People are just reading one rule and ignore the rest to support their flawed argument.
posted on 13/12/21
How is he corrupt when he's been favouring both drivers throughout the season. Inconsistency is not the same as corrupt
posted on 13/12/21
Yesterday he was inconsistent then he was cheating today he's corrupt tomorrow he's on red bulls payroll
posted on 13/12/21
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comment by Michael, this isn't right. 😭 (U10408)
posted 29 minutes ago
Drivers have lost a lot more than 12seconds due to a safety car before.
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Right - but isn't that completely illogical? It seems very unfair that the best driver on the day gets handicapped like that when the safety car isn't their fault. Surely there's a more logical way to do it (like, as I suggested, restarting the race on a staggered basis according to the intervals between cars pre-stoppage)?
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