5*
Well done OP. A decent and dignified post for a change. Hats off.
COYB!
comment by Chelsea_since_summer_1969 ✯✯ (U1561)
posted 15 minutes ago
Thanks for the article GG. I think personally like some have already alluded to on here that after a few months of upheaval we’ll be fine. I was more worried when the Mears family shafted Bates in 1983. Now that really was worrying.
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Yep...The Mears family tried to kill off CFC
It all depends on who buys the club.
If they get ambitious owners with grand plans and deep pockets, like Stan & Ann Kroenke, then they’ll be better off than they currently are. In a few years, they could have a $5bn stadium and be winning FA Cup titles and SuperBowl Championships - like Arsenal.
On the other hand, they could get cash-strapped owners like John Henry and his Fenway Sports Group at Liverpool, who had to pool together funds from 30 people just to buy the ball club. In that case, it could be curtains for CFC, and they’ll end up signing players like Jordan Henderson and celebrate winning the Carabao Cup.
Biggish the Club these days are self-perpetuating and able to ride these things out. In 1983 you couldn’t have give this Club away and yet now you only have to look just how many potential suitors are lining up to try to buy us from all around the globe.
Yes I have to agree with the other guys here, a very good and well balanced article by GG .
Having been their as well in the 70s and 80s,whatever happens I will remain faithful to Chelsea Football Club.
The events that have occurred have been nothing to do with the fans, and could have happened at any club, it's just a matter of very bad and very sad circumstances, we shall get over it and come back stronger.
comment by Chelsea_since_summer_1969 ✯✯ (U1561)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
Biggish the Club these days are self-perpetuating and able to ride these things out. In 1983 you couldn’t have give this Club away and yet now you only have to look just how many potential suitors are lining up to try to buy us from all around the globe.
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Evening guvnor 👍
comment by HarlequinHebdo (U16981)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
Yes I have to agree with the other guys here, a very good and well balanced article by GG.
Having been their as well in the 70s and 80s,whatever happens I will remain faithful to Chelsea Football Club.
The events that have occurred have been nothing to do with the fans, and could have happened at any club, it's just a matter of very bad and very sad circumstances, we shall get over it and come back stronger.
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This
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posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Chelsea_since_summer_1969 ✯✯ (U1561)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
Biggish the Club these days are self-perpetuating and able to ride these things out. In 1983 you couldn’t have give this Club away and yet now you only have to look just how many potential suitors are lining up to try to buy us from all around the globe.
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Evening guvnor 👍
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Evening fella UTC!!
comment by Chelsea_since_summer_1969 ✯✯ (U1561)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Jonah Bluey. (U22816)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Chelsea_since_summer_1969 ✯✯ (U1561)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
Biggish the Club these days are self-perpetuating and able to ride these things out. In 1983 you couldn’t have give this Club away and yet now you only have to look just how many potential suitors are lining up to try to buy us from all around the globe.
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Evening guvnor 👍
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Evening fella UTC!!
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Surprised rival fans focus on the gloryhunter years from 2003😉
comment by Chelsea_since_summer_1969 ✯✯ (U1561)
posted 3 hours, 15 minutes ago
Biggish the Club these days are self-perpetuating and able to ride these things out. In 1983 you couldn’t have give this Club away and yet now you only have to look just how many potential suitors are lining up to try to buy us from all around the globe.
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100% 83 was far worse than this . Appreciate the post GG though like some have mentioned blue or otherwise we will be fine. It will be a new era but for most that won't matter.
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posted 8 hours, 15 minutes ago
comment by Chelsea_since_summer_1969 ✯✯ (U1561)
posted 3 hours, 15 minutes ago
Biggish the Club these days are self-perpetuating and able to ride these things out. In 1983 you couldn’t have give this Club away and yet now you only have to look just how many potential suitors are lining up to try to buy us from all around the globe.
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100% 83 was far worse than this . Appreciate the post GG though like some have mentioned blue or otherwise we will be fine. It will be a new era but for most that won't matter.
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I think people forget In 80s that Ken had opportunities to buy the ground but could not raise the money
He’s painted as a hero but if he had raised the funds to buy the ground, the club would not have been held back a decade
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posted 6 minutes ago
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posted 8 hours, 15 minutes ago
comment by Chelsea_since_summer_1969 ✯✯ (U1561)
posted 3 hours, 15 minutes ago
Biggish the Club these days are self-perpetuating and able to ride these things out. In 1983 you couldn’t have give this Club away and yet now you only have to look just how many potential suitors are lining up to try to buy us from all around the globe.
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100% 83 was far worse than this . Appreciate the post GG though like some have mentioned blue or otherwise we will be fine. It will be a new era but for most that won't matter.
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I think people forget In 80s that Ken had opportunities to buy the ground but could not raise the money
He’s painted as a hero but if he had raised the funds to buy the ground, the club would not have been held back a decade
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Bates was an awful owner.
comment by Kante's Dad-Heavy Jumbo (U20563)
posted 30 seconds ago
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posted 6 minutes ago
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posted 8 hours, 15 minutes ago
comment by Chelsea_since_summer_1969 ✯✯ (U1561)
posted 3 hours, 15 minutes ago
Biggish the Club these days are self-perpetuating and able to ride these things out. In 1983 you couldn’t have give this Club away and yet now you only have to look just how many potential suitors are lining up to try to buy us from all around the globe.
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100% 83 was far worse than this . Appreciate the post GG though like some have mentioned blue or otherwise we will be fine. It will be a new era but for most that won't matter.
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I think people forget In 80s that Ken had opportunities to buy the ground but could not raise the money
He’s painted as a hero but if he had raised the funds to buy the ground, the club would not have been held back a decade
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Bates was an awful owner.
---k--------------------------------
I agree, very overrated
And the CPO scheme was and is another mess of Bates doing
I know Because I am a CPO
One of the most generous and decent posts seen on this site OP , I applaud you.
We move on , new owner, new era. Hope abounds...all good .
I am left with aslightly bitter taste , I do not know if others share this feeling, that this evacuation of the club owner was performed on "deep suspicion", "rumours of ties..." "supposed associations due to activities in the past that lead one to believe".
In other words the man, RA, is guilty by association. He has won all the libel cases he has taken to his accusers . No evidence has been presented of actual guilt . The government "may have" some inside information...but they are not sharing it with us ....why I wonder?
As a sanctioned person is he even permitted to defend himself against more slander and lies being directed at him?
It appears the defendant is PRESUMED GUILTY unless he can prove otherwise. Guilty by presumption is the name of the game.
Like other Chelsea fans I'm happy to move on and take your suggestion to hope for the best.
Leaving RA under the bus , accepting that things are what they are does not sit comfortably with me. Neither is the notion that the war in Ukraine is a far bigger issue ( So true) ....then we might have to sacrifice certain individuals as inconsequential to the bigger picture. Happy with that are we?
As things stand atm ... An owner of a football club was removed based on supposition, rumour, innuendo and circumstantial evidence. That's fine move on... Tomorrow is another day and who is the new sanctionee named then?
So, I see that you received 2 one stars for this article GG !,
I wonder who they were !
comment by Tway (U1162)
posted 4 hours, 41 minutes ago
One of the most generous and decent posts seen on this site OP , I applaud you.
We move on , new owner, new era. Hope abounds...all good .
I am left with aslightly bitter taste , I do not know if others share this feeling, that this evacuation of the club owner was performed on "deep suspicion", "rumours of ties..." "supposed associations due to activities in the past that lead one to believe".
In other words the man, RA, is guilty by association. He has won all the libel cases he has taken to his accusers . No evidence has been presented of actual guilt . The government "may have" some inside information...but they are not sharing it with us ....why I wonder?
As a sanctioned person is he even permitted to defend himself against more slander and lies being directed at him?
It appears the defendant is PRESUMED GUILTY unless he can prove otherwise. Guilty by presumption is the name of the game.
Like other Chelsea fans I'm happy to move on and take your suggestion to hope for the best.
Leaving RA under the bus , accepting that things are what they are does not sit comfortably with me. Neither is the notion that the war in Ukraine is a far bigger issue ( So true) ....then we might have to sacrifice certain individuals as inconsequential to the bigger picture. Happy with that are we?
As things stand atm ... An owner of a football club was removed based on supposition, rumour, innuendo and circumstantial evidence. That's fine move on... Tomorrow is another day and who is the new sanctionee named then?
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I suggest you read the UKgov's sanction report on him. Was utterly damning.
Especially Evraz PLC. Which RA has a "significant shareholding" and he
exercises effective control" And it's support/involvement of the Ukraine invasion.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1060262/Russia.pdf
comment by Tway (U1162)
posted 10 hours, 9 minutes ago
One of the most generous and decent posts seen on this site OP , I applaud you.
We move on , new owner, new era. Hope abounds...all good .
I am left with aslightly bitter taste , I do not know if others share this feeling, that this evacuation of the club owner was performed on "deep suspicion", "rumours of ties..." "supposed associations due to activities in the past that lead one to believe".
In other words the man, RA, is guilty by association. He has won all the libel cases he has taken to his accusers . No evidence has been presented of actual guilt . The government "may have" some inside information...but they are not sharing it with us ....why I wonder?
As a sanctioned person is he even permitted to defend himself against more slander and lies being directed at him?
It appears the defendant is PRESUMED GUILTY unless he can prove otherwise. Guilty by presumption is the name of the game.
Like other Chelsea fans I'm happy to move on and take your suggestion to hope for the best.
Leaving RA under the bus , accepting that things are what they are does not sit comfortably with me. Neither is the notion that the war in Ukraine is a far bigger issue ( So true) ....then we might have to sacrifice certain individuals as inconsequential to the bigger picture. Happy with that are we?
As things stand atm ... An owner of a football club was removed based on supposition, rumour, innuendo and circumstantial evidence. That's fine move on... Tomorrow is another day and who is the new sanctionee named then?
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I think suspicion is enough in this instance, given the stakes. For example under Anti Money Laundering law suspicion without evidence is enough to thoroughly investigate, and i think suspcion that money is going to Putin merits sanctions
The only bit i don't agree with is preventing the club from conitnuing to generate revenue. Surelt it is possible to prevent funds being taken out of Chelsea without having to cut of vital revenue streams.
But bigger picture, i would rather be safe in North Essex with my club about to go bankrupt than be in any major Ukraine city right now
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posted on 10/3/22
5*
Well done OP. A decent and dignified post for a change. Hats off.
COYB!
posted on 10/3/22
comment by Chelsea_since_summer_1969 ✯✯ (U1561)
posted 15 minutes ago
Thanks for the article GG. I think personally like some have already alluded to on here that after a few months of upheaval we’ll be fine. I was more worried when the Mears family shafted Bates in 1983. Now that really was worrying.
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Yep...The Mears family tried to kill off CFC
posted on 10/3/22
It all depends on who buys the club.
If they get ambitious owners with grand plans and deep pockets, like Stan & Ann Kroenke, then they’ll be better off than they currently are. In a few years, they could have a $5bn stadium and be winning FA Cup titles and SuperBowl Championships - like Arsenal.
On the other hand, they could get cash-strapped owners like John Henry and his Fenway Sports Group at Liverpool, who had to pool together funds from 30 people just to buy the ball club. In that case, it could be curtains for CFC, and they’ll end up signing players like Jordan Henderson and celebrate winning the Carabao Cup.
posted on 10/3/22
Biggish the Club these days are self-perpetuating and able to ride these things out. In 1983 you couldn’t have give this Club away and yet now you only have to look just how many potential suitors are lining up to try to buy us from all around the globe.
posted on 10/3/22
Yes I have to agree with the other guys here, a very good and well balanced article by GG .
Having been their as well in the 70s and 80s,whatever happens I will remain faithful to Chelsea Football Club.
The events that have occurred have been nothing to do with the fans, and could have happened at any club, it's just a matter of very bad and very sad circumstances, we shall get over it and come back stronger.
posted on 10/3/22
comment by Chelsea_since_summer_1969 ✯✯ (U1561)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
Biggish the Club these days are self-perpetuating and able to ride these things out. In 1983 you couldn’t have give this Club away and yet now you only have to look just how many potential suitors are lining up to try to buy us from all around the globe.
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Evening guvnor 👍
posted on 10/3/22
comment by HarlequinHebdo (U16981)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
Yes I have to agree with the other guys here, a very good and well balanced article by GG.
Having been their as well in the 70s and 80s,whatever happens I will remain faithful to Chelsea Football Club.
The events that have occurred have been nothing to do with the fans, and could have happened at any club, it's just a matter of very bad and very sad circumstances, we shall get over it and come back stronger.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This
posted on 10/3/22
comment by Jonah Bluey. (U22816)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Chelsea_since_summer_1969 ✯✯ (U1561)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
Biggish the Club these days are self-perpetuating and able to ride these things out. In 1983 you couldn’t have give this Club away and yet now you only have to look just how many potential suitors are lining up to try to buy us from all around the globe.
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Evening guvnor 👍
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Evening fella UTC!!
posted on 10/3/22
Can they have ENIC
posted on 10/3/22
comment by Chelsea_since_summer_1969 ✯✯ (U1561)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Jonah Bluey. (U22816)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Chelsea_since_summer_1969 ✯✯ (U1561)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
Biggish the Club these days are self-perpetuating and able to ride these things out. In 1983 you couldn’t have give this Club away and yet now you only have to look just how many potential suitors are lining up to try to buy us from all around the globe.
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Evening guvnor 👍
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Evening fella UTC!!
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Surprised rival fans focus on the gloryhunter years from 2003😉
posted on 10/3/22
comment by Chelsea_since_summer_1969 ✯✯ (U1561)
posted 3 hours, 15 minutes ago
Biggish the Club these days are self-perpetuating and able to ride these things out. In 1983 you couldn’t have give this Club away and yet now you only have to look just how many potential suitors are lining up to try to buy us from all around the globe.
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100% 83 was far worse than this . Appreciate the post GG though like some have mentioned blue or otherwise we will be fine. It will be a new era but for most that won't matter.
posted on 11/3/22
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 8 hours, 15 minutes ago
comment by Chelsea_since_summer_1969 ✯✯ (U1561)
posted 3 hours, 15 minutes ago
Biggish the Club these days are self-perpetuating and able to ride these things out. In 1983 you couldn’t have give this Club away and yet now you only have to look just how many potential suitors are lining up to try to buy us from all around the globe.
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100% 83 was far worse than this . Appreciate the post GG though like some have mentioned blue or otherwise we will be fine. It will be a new era but for most that won't matter.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
I think people forget In 80s that Ken had opportunities to buy the ground but could not raise the money
He’s painted as a hero but if he had raised the funds to buy the ground, the club would not have been held back a decade
posted on 11/3/22
comment by CFC: Quad stoppers (U20729)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 8 hours, 15 minutes ago
comment by Chelsea_since_summer_1969 ✯✯ (U1561)
posted 3 hours, 15 minutes ago
Biggish the Club these days are self-perpetuating and able to ride these things out. In 1983 you couldn’t have give this Club away and yet now you only have to look just how many potential suitors are lining up to try to buy us from all around the globe.
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100% 83 was far worse than this . Appreciate the post GG though like some have mentioned blue or otherwise we will be fine. It will be a new era but for most that won't matter.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
I think people forget In 80s that Ken had opportunities to buy the ground but could not raise the money
He’s painted as a hero but if he had raised the funds to buy the ground, the club would not have been held back a decade
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bates was an awful owner.
posted on 11/3/22
comment by Kante's Dad-Heavy Jumbo (U20563)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by CFC: Quad stoppers (U20729)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 8 hours, 15 minutes ago
comment by Chelsea_since_summer_1969 ✯✯ (U1561)
posted 3 hours, 15 minutes ago
Biggish the Club these days are self-perpetuating and able to ride these things out. In 1983 you couldn’t have give this Club away and yet now you only have to look just how many potential suitors are lining up to try to buy us from all around the globe.
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100% 83 was far worse than this . Appreciate the post GG though like some have mentioned blue or otherwise we will be fine. It will be a new era but for most that won't matter.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
I think people forget In 80s that Ken had opportunities to buy the ground but could not raise the money
He’s painted as a hero but if he had raised the funds to buy the ground, the club would not have been held back a decade
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bates was an awful owner.
---k--------------------------------
I agree, very overrated
And the CPO scheme was and is another mess of Bates doing
I know Because I am a CPO
posted on 11/3/22
One of the most generous and decent posts seen on this site OP , I applaud you.
We move on , new owner, new era. Hope abounds...all good .
I am left with aslightly bitter taste , I do not know if others share this feeling, that this evacuation of the club owner was performed on "deep suspicion", "rumours of ties..." "supposed associations due to activities in the past that lead one to believe".
In other words the man, RA, is guilty by association. He has won all the libel cases he has taken to his accusers . No evidence has been presented of actual guilt . The government "may have" some inside information...but they are not sharing it with us ....why I wonder?
As a sanctioned person is he even permitted to defend himself against more slander and lies being directed at him?
It appears the defendant is PRESUMED GUILTY unless he can prove otherwise. Guilty by presumption is the name of the game.
Like other Chelsea fans I'm happy to move on and take your suggestion to hope for the best.
Leaving RA under the bus , accepting that things are what they are does not sit comfortably with me. Neither is the notion that the war in Ukraine is a far bigger issue ( So true) ....then we might have to sacrifice certain individuals as inconsequential to the bigger picture. Happy with that are we?
As things stand atm ... An owner of a football club was removed based on supposition, rumour, innuendo and circumstantial evidence. That's fine move on... Tomorrow is another day and who is the new sanctionee named then?
posted on 11/3/22
So, I see that you received 2 one stars for this article GG !,
I wonder who they were !
posted on 11/3/22
comment by Tway (U1162)
posted 4 hours, 41 minutes ago
One of the most generous and decent posts seen on this site OP , I applaud you.
We move on , new owner, new era. Hope abounds...all good .
I am left with aslightly bitter taste , I do not know if others share this feeling, that this evacuation of the club owner was performed on "deep suspicion", "rumours of ties..." "supposed associations due to activities in the past that lead one to believe".
In other words the man, RA, is guilty by association. He has won all the libel cases he has taken to his accusers . No evidence has been presented of actual guilt . The government "may have" some inside information...but they are not sharing it with us ....why I wonder?
As a sanctioned person is he even permitted to defend himself against more slander and lies being directed at him?
It appears the defendant is PRESUMED GUILTY unless he can prove otherwise. Guilty by presumption is the name of the game.
Like other Chelsea fans I'm happy to move on and take your suggestion to hope for the best.
Leaving RA under the bus , accepting that things are what they are does not sit comfortably with me. Neither is the notion that the war in Ukraine is a far bigger issue ( So true) ....then we might have to sacrifice certain individuals as inconsequential to the bigger picture. Happy with that are we?
As things stand atm ... An owner of a football club was removed based on supposition, rumour, innuendo and circumstantial evidence. That's fine move on... Tomorrow is another day and who is the new sanctionee named then?
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I suggest you read the UKgov's sanction report on him. Was utterly damning.
Especially Evraz PLC. Which RA has a "significant shareholding" and he
exercises effective control" And it's support/involvement of the Ukraine invasion.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1060262/Russia.pdf
posted on 11/3/22
comment by Tway (U1162)
posted 10 hours, 9 minutes ago
One of the most generous and decent posts seen on this site OP , I applaud you.
We move on , new owner, new era. Hope abounds...all good .
I am left with aslightly bitter taste , I do not know if others share this feeling, that this evacuation of the club owner was performed on "deep suspicion", "rumours of ties..." "supposed associations due to activities in the past that lead one to believe".
In other words the man, RA, is guilty by association. He has won all the libel cases he has taken to his accusers . No evidence has been presented of actual guilt . The government "may have" some inside information...but they are not sharing it with us ....why I wonder?
As a sanctioned person is he even permitted to defend himself against more slander and lies being directed at him?
It appears the defendant is PRESUMED GUILTY unless he can prove otherwise. Guilty by presumption is the name of the game.
Like other Chelsea fans I'm happy to move on and take your suggestion to hope for the best.
Leaving RA under the bus , accepting that things are what they are does not sit comfortably with me. Neither is the notion that the war in Ukraine is a far bigger issue ( So true) ....then we might have to sacrifice certain individuals as inconsequential to the bigger picture. Happy with that are we?
As things stand atm ... An owner of a football club was removed based on supposition, rumour, innuendo and circumstantial evidence. That's fine move on... Tomorrow is another day and who is the new sanctionee named then?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think suspicion is enough in this instance, given the stakes. For example under Anti Money Laundering law suspicion without evidence is enough to thoroughly investigate, and i think suspcion that money is going to Putin merits sanctions
The only bit i don't agree with is preventing the club from conitnuing to generate revenue. Surelt it is possible to prevent funds being taken out of Chelsea without having to cut of vital revenue streams.
But bigger picture, i would rather be safe in North Essex with my club about to go bankrupt than be in any major Ukraine city right now
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