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Bumbling Boris odds

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posted on 6/6/22

The old saying, something like: Be Nice and Respect people when you are on your way up because they will be waiting for you when you are on your way down will not apply to Johnson.

I hope he gets a few good kickings during his fall from the summit of his political life.

comment by Edbo (U17933)

posted on 6/6/22

This government have been a shambles but the cost of living crisis has been caused by a once in a generation pandemic and a large scale war. Have some perspective

posted on 6/6/22

comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 59 seconds ago
This government have been a shambles but the cost of living crisis has been caused by a once in a generation pandemic and a large scale war. Have some perspective
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No.

posted on 6/6/22

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posted on 6/6/22

Devonshire Spur, there's a bit of a disconnect between the two statements below. I think the missing element is acknowledging the role of ideology.

First you say this:
"But you cannot ignore that Labour were at the wheel and adopted a very light touch to regulation of banks which contributed to the financial crisis, and that G Brown sold off much of our gold reserves at record low prices, to fund spending, even though they had also overseen an economic boom."

Then this:
"The choice between Tory and Labour, is like wondering whether to sack your manager, Steve Bruce, and replace him with Frank Lampard. The former is clearly incompetent but the alternative is a massive risk and despite his good intentions, might well be a different kind of disaster."

The first statement I'd largely agree with. Blair's Labour government effectively continued elements of Thatcherite deregulation, hoping that a booming private sector would enable them to invest more in services. Deregulation carries risks, and we would have been a little bit more insulated from the 2008 crash with stronger regulation (though it would have still been an enormous crash as the City is a big chunk of our economy and the entire global finance sector caught a bad cold). So essentially your argument is that Labour were too right-wing in this respect, which I agree with.

But your second statement treats economic policy as a question of competence. "Labour have good intentions but don't have the nous for it." This ignores the fact that the Conservative party represents the interests of those who want less regulation and lower taxation for the wealthy. The Conservative party was never criticising Blair and Brown for its light-touch regulations. It criticised Labour for the excessive regulation of the 'nanny state'. It hypocritically blamed Labour for failing to regulate (and did so fleetingly - meaningful financial regulations did not follow once the Tories came to power) but the primary narrative about the 2008 crash was that Labour was spending too much. It was that Labour was too left-wing, not too right-wing, and now we had to 'live within our means' by accepting permanently slashed levels of public spending. Austerity came in and gave us a stagnant economy combined with catastrophically rising levels of deprivation and under-investment. This was all packaged in the name of sensible, competent stewardship, not maxing out the nation's credit cards, etc. Any economist can tell you the public-facing arguments, describing national economics like household finances, made by Cameron and Osborne were totally illiterate. But they were deliberately simplistic, and intentionally framed around the idea of competence rather than ideology.

posted on 6/6/22

Pretty sure he would take the lot of them down and call a general election if he loses that vote of confidence.

posted on 6/6/22

comment by Ignacio Varga (U11781)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
The choice between Tory and Labour, is like wondering whether to sack your manager, Steve Bruce, and replace him with Frank Lampard.

The former is clearly incompetent but the alternative is a massive risk and despite his good intentions, might well be a different kind of disaster.
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Shutup you cuuunt, do you not get bored of licking Boris’s crack? I’m pretty sure Devon are facking ecstatic at getting screwed over by Boris with the Brexit deal he negotiated that hampered the fishing industry down there eh? Mug.
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So me calling Boris incompetent is me lickin Boris' crack?

Wow Try taking a deep breath and reading properly!

posted on 6/6/22

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posted on 6/6/22

If Boris is still PM in a week then this parliament has no backbone. Public opinion is largely split, the financial crisis is a big factor, and war in Ukraine will not provide a big enough distraction this time. Tories are known for sacrificial lambs. Pack up Boris.

posted on 6/6/22

comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 10 minutes ago
This government have been a shambles but the cost of living crisis has been caused by a once in a generation pandemic and a large scale war. Have some perspective
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They could have done a lot more to help people though.

Labour were calling for a windfall tax 6 months ago, and they've only finally announced one to try and cover Boris' @rse.

Don't even get me started on the laughable 5p off fuel.

comment by Edbo (U17933)

posted on 6/6/22

comment by Ignacio Varga (U11781)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 43 seconds ago
This government have been a shambles but the cost of living crisis has been caused by a once in a generation pandemic and a large scale war. Have some perspective
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Another Tory bootlicking cuuunt, what is it with Tory Spurs fans on here? Are you lot even Londoners
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What didn't you understand about 'this government have been a shambles'?

posted on 6/6/22

comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Ignacio Varga (U11781)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 43 seconds ago
This government have been a shambles but the cost of living crisis has been caused by a once in a generation pandemic and a large scale war. Have some perspective
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Another Tory bootlicking cuuunt, what is it with Tory Spurs fans on here? Are you lot even Londoners
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What didn't you understand about 'this government have been a shambles'?
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The bit where you added a caveat I imagine,

comment by Edbo (U17933)

posted on 6/6/22

comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Ignacio Varga (U11781)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 43 seconds ago
This government have been a shambles but the cost of living crisis has been caused by a once in a generation pandemic and a large scale war. Have some perspective
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Another Tory bootlicking cuuunt, what is it with Tory Spurs fans on here? Are you lot even Londoners
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What didn't you understand about 'this government have been a shambles'?
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The bit where you added a caveat I imagine,
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There's a global cost of living crisis caused by a mammoth pandemic and a huge war. Do you disagree that they are the two main factors?

posted on 6/6/22

comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Ignacio Varga (U11781)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 43 seconds ago
This government have been a shambles but the cost of living crisis has been caused by a once in a generation pandemic and a large scale war. Have some perspective
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Another Tory bootlicking cuuunt, what is it with Tory Spurs fans on here? Are you lot even Londoners
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What didn't you understand about 'this government have been a shambles'?
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The bit where you added a caveat I imagine,
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There's a global cost of living crisis caused by a mammoth pandemic and a huge war. Do you disagree that they are the two main factors?


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Aye, and yet this country is forecasted for the lowest economic growth along with the highest inflation amongst the G7. Why is it just this country that’s suffering from these factors?

posted on 6/6/22

comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Ignacio Varga (U11781)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 43 seconds ago
This government have been a shambles but the cost of living crisis has been caused by a once in a generation pandemic and a large scale war. Have some perspective
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Another Tory bootlicking cuuunt, what is it with Tory Spurs fans on here? Are you lot even Londoners
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What didn't you understand about 'this government have been a shambles'?
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The bit where you added a caveat I imagine,
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There's a global cost of living crisis caused by a mammoth pandemic and a huge war. Do you disagree that they are the two main factors?
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Nope, we're doing worse (and far worse in some cases) than our peers and that is on the Tories (and all the awful people who voted for them).

posted on 6/6/22

comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 29 minutes ago
This government have been a shambles but the cost of living crisis has been caused by a once in a generation pandemic and a large scale war. Have some perspective
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Stop making excuses for these criminals.

posted on 6/6/22

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Ignacio Varga (U11781)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
The choice between Tory and Labour, is like wondering whether to sack your manager, Steve Bruce, and replace him with Frank Lampard.

The former is clearly incompetent but the alternative is a massive risk and despite his good intentions, might well be a different kind of disaster.
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Shutup you cuuunt, do you not get bored of licking Boris’s crack? I’m pretty sure Devon are facking ecstatic at getting screwed over by Boris with the Brexit deal he negotiated that hampered the fishing industry down there eh? Mug.
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So me calling Boris incompetent is me lickin Boris' crack?

WowTry taking a deep breath and reading properly!
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Devonshire you've pretty much just pointed out exactly why political debate is just so pointless in our society.

posted on 6/6/22

comment by Ignacio Varga (U11781)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Ignacio Varga (U11781)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
The choice between Tory and Labour, is like wondering whether to sack your manager, Steve Bruce, and replace him with Frank Lampard.

The former is clearly incompetent but the alternative is a massive risk and despite his good intentions, might well be a different kind of disaster.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Shutup you cuuunt, do you not get bored of licking Boris’s crack? I’m pretty sure Devon are facking ecstatic at getting screwed over by Boris with the Brexit deal he negotiated that hampered the fishing industry down there eh? Mug.
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So me calling Boris incompetent is me lickin Boris' crack?

WowTry taking a deep breath and reading properly!
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Yes, you’re a Boris crack licking cuuunt.
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Somebody had to say it.

posted on 6/6/22

Probably best for him to stay in for the next election.

posted on 6/6/22

comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Ignacio Varga (U11781)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 43 seconds ago
This government have been a shambles but the cost of living crisis has been caused by a once in a generation pandemic and a large scale war. Have some perspective
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Another Tory bootlicking cuuunt, what is it with Tory Spurs fans on here? Are you lot even Londoners
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What didn't you understand about 'this government have been a shambles'?
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The bit where you added a caveat I imagine,
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There's a global cost of living crisis caused by a mammoth pandemic and a huge war. Do you disagree that they are the two main factors?


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And Brexit, and the Tories epic mismanagement of the economy.

posted on 6/6/22

comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 10 minutes ago
This government have been a shambles but the cost of living crisis has been caused by a once in a generation pandemic and a large scale war. Have some perspective
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They could have done a lot more to help people though.

Labour were calling for a windfall tax 6 months ago, and they've only finally announced one to try and cover Boris' @rse.

Don't even get me started on the laughable 5p off fuel.
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The cost of living crisis has also been exacerbated by policies implemented by the government.

posted on 6/6/22

Can we please try and keep politics out of this debate?

posted on 6/6/22

comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Who do you think you are kidding Mr.... (U3126)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 10 minutes ago
This government have been a shambles but the cost of living crisis has been caused by a once in a generation pandemic and a large scale war. Have some perspective
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They could have done a lot more to help people though.

Labour were calling for a windfall tax 6 months ago, and they've only finally announced one to try and cover Boris' @rse.

Don't even get me started on the laughable 5p off fuel.
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The cost of living crisis has also been exacerbated by policies implemented by the government.
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Exactly.

posted on 6/6/22

There's a global cost of living crisis caused by a mammoth pandemic and a huge war. Do you disagree that they are the two main factors?

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Those are both major challenges, and ones that as a country we would be better placed to face if we hadn't:
1) had a decade + of ideologically driven austerity policies that have reduced investment in key sectors and essential services, driven up deprivation levels and seen the gap between rich and poor further widen, and...
2) opted for a Brexit settlement at the extreme end of the spectrum, creating significant trade barriers with our biggest import/export market and starving the economy of access to skills at a time of looming labour shortages, and...
3) dithered about lockdowns based on a false dichotomy between public health vs the economy, resulting in higher death rates, longer lockdowns and greater economic damage from Covid. And then repeating the logic error twice more with 'Eat out to help out' and Christmas 2020. Not to mention billions wasted through opaque PPE procurement benefiting ministers' mates.

It's really a stretch to frame the problems we face today as entirely acts of god. As a country, we're in the predicament we deserve to be in.

posted on 6/6/22

The man has filled his cabinet with a bunch of useless t0ssers for a reason. None of them are capable of stepping up and challenging him.

Rishi polled quite high but someone leaked details of his wife’s tax affairs which killed any momentum he had. Boris is with us until the next GE

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