comment by Beeb (U1841)
posted 8 minutes ago
Right then, Britain. You've had your four day bank holiday and now it's time to get back to work. However...
Does anyone in their right mind actually believe that, right now, this morning, sat in his Downing Street bunker, Johnson is working hard to solve any of the nation's many problems?
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As Roy Keane would say "That's his job"
Austerity was not mandatory. It was a choice made by a Tory government that we are paying for now. Why do you think we suddenly have such crime levels? Such terrible stories of social services not saving vulnerable children? Higher death by fire rates? 6 hour ambulance waits. It’s all austerity. 12 years of it. We reap what Cameron sowed.
Other countries chose not to respond to the 2008 financial crash with austerity and are in a much better state of public service than us.
I work in the public sector and I can tell you what is actually happening. Not what the sun want you to think.
We are ina terrible state. Don’t get sick, you can’t get a doctor, don’t get toothache there’s no dentists. Don’t have a fire or a car crash, there’s not enough fire engines. Don’t get burgled, there’s no police available
All austerity.
Terrific bunch of lads those tories. Don’t get the hate at all.
Actually Johnson is an odious individual similar to the slime balls we have over here like Leo verruca
comment by Citizen Smeg. Joined the spurs tinted glasses ... (U6574)
posted 4 minutes ago
Austerity was not mandatory. It was a choice made by a Tory government that we are paying for now. Why do you think we suddenly have such crime levels? Such terrible stories of social services not saving vulnerable children? Higher death by fire rates? 6 hour ambulance waits. It’s all austerity. 12 years of it. We reap what Cameron sowed.
Other countries chose not to respond to the 2008 financial crash with austerity and are in a much better state of public service than us.
I work in the public sector and I can tell you what is actually happening. Not what the sun want you to think.
We are ina terrible state. Don’t get sick, you can’t get a doctor, don’t get toothache there’s no dentists. Don’t have a fire or a car crash, there’s not enough fire engines. Don’t get burgled, there’s no police available
All austerity.
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Austerity was necessary to a degree, as the outgoing chief secretary to the Treasury said in his little note "I'm afraid there's no money left".
The depth of the cuts is an entirely different thing though.
We got rid of our own Boris here in ScoMo and he had the might of the Murdoch media behind him. It can be done in the UK, you just need enough people to come out and vote (it helps that voting is compulsory here).
Priti Patel has no chance of becoming PM. Even the Tory party aren't as daft as that. White or brown.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Citizen Smeg. Joined the spurs tinted glasses ... (U6574)
posted 4 minutes ago
Austerity was not mandatory. It was a choice made by a Tory government that we are paying for now. Why do you think we suddenly have such crime levels? Such terrible stories of social services not saving vulnerable children? Higher death by fire rates? 6 hour ambulance waits. It’s all austerity. 12 years of it. We reap what Cameron sowed.
Other countries chose not to respond to the 2008 financial crash with austerity and are in a much better state of public service than us.
I work in the public sector and I can tell you what is actually happening. Not what the sun want you to think.
We are ina terrible state. Don’t get sick, you can’t get a doctor, don’t get toothache there’s no dentists. Don’t have a fire or a car crash, there’s not enough fire engines. Don’t get burgled, there’s no police available
All austerity.
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Austerity was necessary to a degree, as the outgoing chief secretary to the Treasury said in his little note "I'm afraid there's no money left".
The depth of the cuts is an entirely different thing though.
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Austerity wasn’t all about cuts (although ultimately that was what had the biggest single impact on the lives of those most heavily affected by Cameron and Osborne’s policies).
It was a wider political ideology - which, we should remember only needed to be considered as one of several options due to other political choices (most notably in the decision to bail out the banking system) - concerned with reducing wages and domestic prices in order to boost competitiveness.
It was a flawed strategy, and ultimately it failed economically, fiscally domestically, and in addressing living standards. As it has when the same strategy has been employed historically.
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comment by tcruel87 (U11882)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Ignacio Varga (U11781)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by tcruel87 (U11882)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Kosta’s Kofta (U22339)
posted 1 minute ago
The man has filled his cabinet with a bunch of useless t0ssers for a reason. None of them are capable of stepping up and challenging him.
Rishi polled quite high but someone leaked details of his wife’s tax affairs which killed any momentum he had. Boris is with us until the next GE
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The Tories would never have an Asian in charge I don't think.
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You think wrong and it's quite something coming from 0 female Prime Ministers Labour. Labour is a conveyor belt of Hitler youth poster child leaders. Rishi would have been next in line if not for damaging leaks. Whether he would make a good PM, I don't think he is, is another matter.
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there was literally a poll done a few years ago by Tory members that said they’re scared of a facking Muslim leading their party and you think they’d let Rishi in?
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Rishi the Hindu? Yes actually I've found the white people who dislike Muslims really like Sikhs and Hindus for some reason.
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Given that your average Tory is a thick as mince they wouldn’t even facking know Rishi’s religion. Brown = evil muslamic
Almost half of Conservative party members believe Islam “a threat to the British way of life,” according to a poll which has reignited concerns over Islamophobia within Britain’s ruling party.
It found that more than one-third of card-carrying Tories believed that Islamist terror attacks reflected a widespread hostility to Britain among the Muslim community, and nearly six in 10 thought “there are no-go areas in Britain where sharia law dominates and non-Muslims cannot enter.”
Attitudes hardened among those who had backed Boris Johnson in the 2019 leadership election, 44% of whom believed that Islamist terror reflected widespread hostility of British Muslims, and two-thirds of whom believed there were “no-go areas”.
https://amp.theguardian.com/news/2020/sep/30/half-of-conservative-party-members-believe-islam-is-threat-poll-finds
Aye, that party is definitely gonna rally behind a non white bloke to lead them.
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comment by Ignacio Varga (U11781)
posted 1 minute ago
Almost half of Conservative party members believe Islam “a threat to the British way of life,” according to a poll which has reignited concerns over Islamophobia within Britain’s ruling party.
It found that more than one-third of card-carrying Tories believed that Islamist terror attacks reflected a widespread hostility to Britain among the Muslim community, and nearly six in 10 thought “there are no-go areas in Britain where sharia law dominates and non-Muslims cannot enter.”
Attitudes hardened among those who had backed Boris Johnson in the 2019 leadership election, 44% of whom believed that Islamist terror reflected widespread hostility of British Muslims, and two-thirds of whom believed there were “no-go areas”.
https://amp.theguardian.com/news/2020/sep/30/half-of-conservative-party-members-believe-islam-is-threat-poll-finds
Aye, that party is definitely gonna rally behind a non white bloke to lead them.
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Not that I'm remotely backing those views held by party members but not all "non white blokes" are Muslim. Just FYI.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 hours, 52 minutes ago
Nah, he'll win comfortably...for the same reason as why the Conservatives are in power, the alternative is rubbish!
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Torys main cheerleader back at it again. Shut up man. Youre embarrassing.
Austerity was necessary to a degree, as the outgoing chief secretary to the Treasury said in his little note "I'm afraid there's no money left".
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There was a tradition of outgoing administrations leaving welcoming letters for their successors. In this case the Labour minister left a wry joke, which wasn't intended to fully explain the complexities of macro-economics, and the Tories decided to break with protocol and publicise the letter, feigning distressed surprise at the communication.
It was an early signal of the extent of the bad faith methods that Cameron's government would embrace.
Arab, I'm totally with you on the moral bankruptcy of the Conservative party, but I think its relationship with ethnic minorities is a bit more complex than you're making out. For one thing, the Tories are basically the party of the moneyed classes, and the British moneyed classes have long been open to admitting new members, including people of colour, as long as they embrace their values and cultural codes. Racism when it emerges in the Tory party tends to be connected to culture and class. If darker skinned people appear to be 'Other' (challenging narratives about who we are, noisy, etc.) then they don't fit in very well. If they espouse traditional Conservative values more ferociously than most (Patel) they tend to be quite popular. If they look and sound like a bank manager (Sunak) they don't trigger reflex distrust. Having a plummy accent seems to help. Being from a community that is stereotyped as hard working and educated helps (e.g. comfortable consensus about Hong Kong residents access to the UK). Fleeing conflict in the Middle East hinders. For reasons around how cultural/class prejudice intersects with race, I think there's strong evidence that the glass ceiling is lower for Muslim Tories and those of African heritage than it would be for non-Muslim Asians.
comment by Rude Van Nist (U22799)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 hours, 52 minutes ago
Nah, he'll win comfortably...for the same reason as why the Conservatives are in power, the alternative is rubbish!
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Torys main cheerleader back at it again. Shut up man. Youre embarrassing.
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It's rather amusing how people like you, Ignacio, Assain & others consider yourself to be the morally superior because you perceive me to be a Tory "arrse licker" and yet you are the most offensive and insulting. Tories are seemingly such hateful people and yet here you (& others) are dishing out abuse and hate.
Reasoned opinion met by posters such as yourself with insults and abuse....hardly on the high ground really when you lower yourselves to personal insults and abuse.
It doesnt bother me. I'm old enough, grown up enough and intelligent enough to rise above such behaviour which reflects far worse on the perpetrators. I am happy to debate with people who share alternative opinions. I am not wed to one way of thinking, but with those who refuse to accept or debate differing views and respond with abuse, there's no point.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 28 minutes ago
Austerity was necessary to a degree, as the outgoing chief secretary to the Treasury said in his little note "I'm afraid there's no money left".
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There was a tradition of outgoing administrations leaving welcoming letters for their successors. In this case the Labour minister left a wry joke, which wasn't intended to fully explain the complexities of macro-economics, and the Tories decided to break with protocol and publicise the letter, feigning distressed surprise at the communication.
It was an early signal of the extent of the bad faith methods that Cameron's government would embrace.
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Many a true word spoken in jest.
and of course it was just a note of no real substance but it did sum up matters pretty accurately.
The rest of what you say is spinning just as much as you are accusing Cameron of doing.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Rude Van Nist (U22799)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 hours, 52 minutes ago
Nah, he'll win comfortably...for the same reason as why the Conservatives are in power, the alternative is rubbish!
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Torys main cheerleader back at it again. Shut up man. Youre embarrassing.
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It's rather amusing how people like you, Ignacio, Assain & others consider yourself to be the morally superior because you perceive me to be a Tory "arrse licker" and yet you are the most offensive and insulting. Tories are seemingly such hateful people and yet here you (& others) are dishing out abuse and hate.
Reasoned opinion met by posters such as yourself with insults and abuse....hardly on the high ground really when you lower yourselves to personal insults and abuse.
It doesnt bother me. I'm old enough, grown up enough and intelligent enough to rise above such behaviour which reflects far worse on the perpetrators. I am happy to debate with people who share alternative opinions. I am not wed to one way of thinking, but with those who refuse to accept or debate differing views and respond with abuse, there's no point.
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comment by Rude Van Nist (U22799)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 hours, 52 minutes ago
Nah, he'll win comfortably...for the same reason as why the Conservatives are in power, the alternative is rubbish!
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Torys main cheerleader back at it again. Shut up man. Youre embarrassing.
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How did the woeful Tories stroll in to power then? Because they're amazing or because the alternative was not credible ?
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Rude Van Nist (U22799)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 hours, 52 minutes ago
Nah, he'll win comfortably...for the same reason as why the Conservatives are in power, the alternative is rubbish!
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Torys main cheerleader back at it again. Shut up man. Youre embarrassing.
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How did the woeful Tories stroll in to power then? Because they're amazing or because the alternative was not credible ?
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The answer will be "people are stupid", guarantee it.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 28 minutes ago
Austerity was necessary to a degree, as the outgoing chief secretary to the Treasury said in his little note "I'm afraid there's no money left".
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There was a tradition of outgoing administrations leaving welcoming letters for their successors. In this case the Labour minister left a wry joke, which wasn't intended to fully explain the complexities of macro-economics, and the Tories decided to break with protocol and publicise the letter, feigning distressed surprise at the communication.
It was an early signal of the extent of the bad faith methods that Cameron's government would embrace.
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Many a true word spoken in jest.
and of course it was just a note of no real substance but it did sum up matters pretty accurately.
The rest of what you say is spinning just as much as you are accusing Cameron of doing.
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Devonshire, you criticise others for meeting 'reasoned opinion' with insults but consistently fail to make any reasoned argument yourself. Lots of people have made factually substantiated points and time and again you either don't reply to them at all or respond with vague general statements. You may not be using insulting language, but don't flatter yourself that you are operating on some elevated level of reasoning compared with Ignacio Varga and others.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Rude Van Nist (U22799)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 hours, 52 minutes ago
Nah, he'll win comfortably...for the same reason as why the Conservatives are in power, the alternative is rubbish!
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Torys main cheerleader back at it again. Shut up man. Youre embarrassing.
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It's rather amusing how people like you, Ignacio, Assain & others consider yourself to be the morally superior because you perceive me to be a Tory "arrse licker" and yet you are the most offensive and insulting. Tories are seemingly such hateful people and yet here you (& others) are dishing out abuse and hate.
Reasoned opinion met by posters such as yourself with insults and abuse....hardly on the high ground really when you lower yourselves to personal insults and abuse.
It doesnt bother me. I'm old enough, grown up enough and intelligent enough to rise above such behaviour which reflects far worse on the perpetrators. I am happy to debate with people who share alternative opinions. I am not wed to one way of thinking, but with those who refuse to accept or debate differing views and respond with abuse, there's no point.
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Nice try. But on most issues raised in debates on here you always still come across as the Tory "arrse licker". And are continuing to do so.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Rude Van Nist (U22799)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 hours, 52 minutes ago
Nah, he'll win comfortably...for the same reason as why the Conservatives are in power, the alternative is rubbish!
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Torys main cheerleader back at it again. Shut up man. Youre embarrassing.
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How did the woeful Tories stroll in to power then? Because they're amazing or because the alternative was not credible ?
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Do you REALLY want a full analysis? My God man, the reasons for Johnson's majority are largely down to the spin (and lies) told to the public about the benefits of Brexit (), about Corbyn's links to terrorist organisations (another lie), and after poo-pooing a lot of the fully costed Labour manifesto, went on to adopt a lot of their policies as though they were all their own ideas.
You have been done up like a kipper
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comment by Beeb (U1841)
posted 8 minutes ago
Right then, Britain. You've had your four day bank holiday and now it's time to get back to work. However...
Does anyone in their right mind actually believe that, right now, this morning, sat in his Downing Street bunker, Johnson is working hard to solve any of the nation's many problems?
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As Roy Keane would say "That's his job"
posted on 6/6/22
Austerity was not mandatory. It was a choice made by a Tory government that we are paying for now. Why do you think we suddenly have such crime levels? Such terrible stories of social services not saving vulnerable children? Higher death by fire rates? 6 hour ambulance waits. It’s all austerity. 12 years of it. We reap what Cameron sowed.
Other countries chose not to respond to the 2008 financial crash with austerity and are in a much better state of public service than us.
I work in the public sector and I can tell you what is actually happening. Not what the sun want you to think.
We are ina terrible state. Don’t get sick, you can’t get a doctor, don’t get toothache there’s no dentists. Don’t have a fire or a car crash, there’s not enough fire engines. Don’t get burgled, there’s no police available
All austerity.
posted on 6/6/22
Terrific bunch of lads those tories. Don’t get the hate at all.
Actually Johnson is an odious individual similar to the slime balls we have over here like Leo verruca
posted on 6/6/22
comment by Citizen Smeg. Joined the spurs tinted glasses ... (U6574)
posted 4 minutes ago
Austerity was not mandatory. It was a choice made by a Tory government that we are paying for now. Why do you think we suddenly have such crime levels? Such terrible stories of social services not saving vulnerable children? Higher death by fire rates? 6 hour ambulance waits. It’s all austerity. 12 years of it. We reap what Cameron sowed.
Other countries chose not to respond to the 2008 financial crash with austerity and are in a much better state of public service than us.
I work in the public sector and I can tell you what is actually happening. Not what the sun want you to think.
We are ina terrible state. Don’t get sick, you can’t get a doctor, don’t get toothache there’s no dentists. Don’t have a fire or a car crash, there’s not enough fire engines. Don’t get burgled, there’s no police available
All austerity.
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Austerity was necessary to a degree, as the outgoing chief secretary to the Treasury said in his little note "I'm afraid there's no money left".
The depth of the cuts is an entirely different thing though.
posted on 6/6/22
We got rid of our own Boris here in ScoMo and he had the might of the Murdoch media behind him. It can be done in the UK, you just need enough people to come out and vote (it helps that voting is compulsory here).
posted on 6/6/22
Priti Patel has no chance of becoming PM. Even the Tory party aren't as daft as that. White or brown.
posted on 6/6/22
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Citizen Smeg. Joined the spurs tinted glasses ... (U6574)
posted 4 minutes ago
Austerity was not mandatory. It was a choice made by a Tory government that we are paying for now. Why do you think we suddenly have such crime levels? Such terrible stories of social services not saving vulnerable children? Higher death by fire rates? 6 hour ambulance waits. It’s all austerity. 12 years of it. We reap what Cameron sowed.
Other countries chose not to respond to the 2008 financial crash with austerity and are in a much better state of public service than us.
I work in the public sector and I can tell you what is actually happening. Not what the sun want you to think.
We are ina terrible state. Don’t get sick, you can’t get a doctor, don’t get toothache there’s no dentists. Don’t have a fire or a car crash, there’s not enough fire engines. Don’t get burgled, there’s no police available
All austerity.
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Austerity was necessary to a degree, as the outgoing chief secretary to the Treasury said in his little note "I'm afraid there's no money left".
The depth of the cuts is an entirely different thing though.
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Austerity wasn’t all about cuts (although ultimately that was what had the biggest single impact on the lives of those most heavily affected by Cameron and Osborne’s policies).
It was a wider political ideology - which, we should remember only needed to be considered as one of several options due to other political choices (most notably in the decision to bail out the banking system) - concerned with reducing wages and domestic prices in order to boost competitiveness.
It was a flawed strategy, and ultimately it failed economically, fiscally domestically, and in addressing living standards. As it has when the same strategy has been employed historically.
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comment by tcruel87 (U11882)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Ignacio Varga (U11781)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by tcruel87 (U11882)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Kosta’s Kofta (U22339)
posted 1 minute ago
The man has filled his cabinet with a bunch of useless t0ssers for a reason. None of them are capable of stepping up and challenging him.
Rishi polled quite high but someone leaked details of his wife’s tax affairs which killed any momentum he had. Boris is with us until the next GE
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The Tories would never have an Asian in charge I don't think.
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You think wrong and it's quite something coming from 0 female Prime Ministers Labour. Labour is a conveyor belt of Hitler youth poster child leaders. Rishi would have been next in line if not for damaging leaks. Whether he would make a good PM, I don't think he is, is another matter.
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there was literally a poll done a few years ago by Tory members that said they’re scared of a facking Muslim leading their party and you think they’d let Rishi in?
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Rishi the Hindu? Yes actually I've found the white people who dislike Muslims really like Sikhs and Hindus for some reason.
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Given that your average Tory is a thick as mince they wouldn’t even facking know Rishi’s religion. Brown = evil muslamic
posted on 6/6/22
Almost half of Conservative party members believe Islam “a threat to the British way of life,” according to a poll which has reignited concerns over Islamophobia within Britain’s ruling party.
It found that more than one-third of card-carrying Tories believed that Islamist terror attacks reflected a widespread hostility to Britain among the Muslim community, and nearly six in 10 thought “there are no-go areas in Britain where sharia law dominates and non-Muslims cannot enter.”
Attitudes hardened among those who had backed Boris Johnson in the 2019 leadership election, 44% of whom believed that Islamist terror reflected widespread hostility of British Muslims, and two-thirds of whom believed there were “no-go areas”.
https://amp.theguardian.com/news/2020/sep/30/half-of-conservative-party-members-believe-islam-is-threat-poll-finds
Aye, that party is definitely gonna rally behind a non white bloke to lead them.
posted on 6/6/22
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posted on 6/6/22
comment by Ignacio Varga (U11781)
posted 1 minute ago
Almost half of Conservative party members believe Islam “a threat to the British way of life,” according to a poll which has reignited concerns over Islamophobia within Britain’s ruling party.
It found that more than one-third of card-carrying Tories believed that Islamist terror attacks reflected a widespread hostility to Britain among the Muslim community, and nearly six in 10 thought “there are no-go areas in Britain where sharia law dominates and non-Muslims cannot enter.”
Attitudes hardened among those who had backed Boris Johnson in the 2019 leadership election, 44% of whom believed that Islamist terror reflected widespread hostility of British Muslims, and two-thirds of whom believed there were “no-go areas”.
https://amp.theguardian.com/news/2020/sep/30/half-of-conservative-party-members-believe-islam-is-threat-poll-finds
Aye, that party is definitely gonna rally behind a non white bloke to lead them.
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Not that I'm remotely backing those views held by party members but not all "non white blokes" are Muslim. Just FYI.
posted on 6/6/22
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 hours, 52 minutes ago
Nah, he'll win comfortably...for the same reason as why the Conservatives are in power, the alternative is rubbish!
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Torys main cheerleader back at it again. Shut up man. Youre embarrassing.
posted on 6/6/22
Austerity was necessary to a degree, as the outgoing chief secretary to the Treasury said in his little note "I'm afraid there's no money left".
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There was a tradition of outgoing administrations leaving welcoming letters for their successors. In this case the Labour minister left a wry joke, which wasn't intended to fully explain the complexities of macro-economics, and the Tories decided to break with protocol and publicise the letter, feigning distressed surprise at the communication.
It was an early signal of the extent of the bad faith methods that Cameron's government would embrace.
posted on 6/6/22
Arab, I'm totally with you on the moral bankruptcy of the Conservative party, but I think its relationship with ethnic minorities is a bit more complex than you're making out. For one thing, the Tories are basically the party of the moneyed classes, and the British moneyed classes have long been open to admitting new members, including people of colour, as long as they embrace their values and cultural codes. Racism when it emerges in the Tory party tends to be connected to culture and class. If darker skinned people appear to be 'Other' (challenging narratives about who we are, noisy, etc.) then they don't fit in very well. If they espouse traditional Conservative values more ferociously than most (Patel) they tend to be quite popular. If they look and sound like a bank manager (Sunak) they don't trigger reflex distrust. Having a plummy accent seems to help. Being from a community that is stereotyped as hard working and educated helps (e.g. comfortable consensus about Hong Kong residents access to the UK). Fleeing conflict in the Middle East hinders. For reasons around how cultural/class prejudice intersects with race, I think there's strong evidence that the glass ceiling is lower for Muslim Tories and those of African heritage than it would be for non-Muslim Asians.
posted on 6/6/22
comment by Rude Van Nist (U22799)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 hours, 52 minutes ago
Nah, he'll win comfortably...for the same reason as why the Conservatives are in power, the alternative is rubbish!
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Torys main cheerleader back at it again. Shut up man. Youre embarrassing.
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It's rather amusing how people like you, Ignacio, Assain & others consider yourself to be the morally superior because you perceive me to be a Tory "arrse licker" and yet you are the most offensive and insulting. Tories are seemingly such hateful people and yet here you (& others) are dishing out abuse and hate.
Reasoned opinion met by posters such as yourself with insults and abuse....hardly on the high ground really when you lower yourselves to personal insults and abuse.
It doesnt bother me. I'm old enough, grown up enough and intelligent enough to rise above such behaviour which reflects far worse on the perpetrators. I am happy to debate with people who share alternative opinions. I am not wed to one way of thinking, but with those who refuse to accept or debate differing views and respond with abuse, there's no point.
posted on 6/6/22
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 28 minutes ago
Austerity was necessary to a degree, as the outgoing chief secretary to the Treasury said in his little note "I'm afraid there's no money left".
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There was a tradition of outgoing administrations leaving welcoming letters for their successors. In this case the Labour minister left a wry joke, which wasn't intended to fully explain the complexities of macro-economics, and the Tories decided to break with protocol and publicise the letter, feigning distressed surprise at the communication.
It was an early signal of the extent of the bad faith methods that Cameron's government would embrace.
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Many a true word spoken in jest.
and of course it was just a note of no real substance but it did sum up matters pretty accurately.
The rest of what you say is spinning just as much as you are accusing Cameron of doing.
posted on 6/6/22
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Rude Van Nist (U22799)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 hours, 52 minutes ago
Nah, he'll win comfortably...for the same reason as why the Conservatives are in power, the alternative is rubbish!
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Torys main cheerleader back at it again. Shut up man. Youre embarrassing.
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It's rather amusing how people like you, Ignacio, Assain & others consider yourself to be the morally superior because you perceive me to be a Tory "arrse licker" and yet you are the most offensive and insulting. Tories are seemingly such hateful people and yet here you (& others) are dishing out abuse and hate.
Reasoned opinion met by posters such as yourself with insults and abuse....hardly on the high ground really when you lower yourselves to personal insults and abuse.
It doesnt bother me. I'm old enough, grown up enough and intelligent enough to rise above such behaviour which reflects far worse on the perpetrators. I am happy to debate with people who share alternative opinions. I am not wed to one way of thinking, but with those who refuse to accept or debate differing views and respond with abuse, there's no point.
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posted on 6/6/22
comment by Rude Van Nist (U22799)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 hours, 52 minutes ago
Nah, he'll win comfortably...for the same reason as why the Conservatives are in power, the alternative is rubbish!
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Torys main cheerleader back at it again. Shut up man. Youre embarrassing.
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How did the woeful Tories stroll in to power then? Because they're amazing or because the alternative was not credible ?
posted on 6/6/22
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Rude Van Nist (U22799)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 hours, 52 minutes ago
Nah, he'll win comfortably...for the same reason as why the Conservatives are in power, the alternative is rubbish!
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Torys main cheerleader back at it again. Shut up man. Youre embarrassing.
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How did the woeful Tories stroll in to power then? Because they're amazing or because the alternative was not credible ?
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The answer will be "people are stupid", guarantee it.
posted on 6/6/22
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 28 minutes ago
Austerity was necessary to a degree, as the outgoing chief secretary to the Treasury said in his little note "I'm afraid there's no money left".
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There was a tradition of outgoing administrations leaving welcoming letters for their successors. In this case the Labour minister left a wry joke, which wasn't intended to fully explain the complexities of macro-economics, and the Tories decided to break with protocol and publicise the letter, feigning distressed surprise at the communication.
It was an early signal of the extent of the bad faith methods that Cameron's government would embrace.
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Many a true word spoken in jest.
and of course it was just a note of no real substance but it did sum up matters pretty accurately.
The rest of what you say is spinning just as much as you are accusing Cameron of doing.
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Devonshire, you criticise others for meeting 'reasoned opinion' with insults but consistently fail to make any reasoned argument yourself. Lots of people have made factually substantiated points and time and again you either don't reply to them at all or respond with vague general statements. You may not be using insulting language, but don't flatter yourself that you are operating on some elevated level of reasoning compared with Ignacio Varga and others.
posted on 6/6/22
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Rude Van Nist (U22799)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 hours, 52 minutes ago
Nah, he'll win comfortably...for the same reason as why the Conservatives are in power, the alternative is rubbish!
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Torys main cheerleader back at it again. Shut up man. Youre embarrassing.
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It's rather amusing how people like you, Ignacio, Assain & others consider yourself to be the morally superior because you perceive me to be a Tory "arrse licker" and yet you are the most offensive and insulting. Tories are seemingly such hateful people and yet here you (& others) are dishing out abuse and hate.
Reasoned opinion met by posters such as yourself with insults and abuse....hardly on the high ground really when you lower yourselves to personal insults and abuse.
It doesnt bother me. I'm old enough, grown up enough and intelligent enough to rise above such behaviour which reflects far worse on the perpetrators. I am happy to debate with people who share alternative opinions. I am not wed to one way of thinking, but with those who refuse to accept or debate differing views and respond with abuse, there's no point.
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Nice try. But on most issues raised in debates on here you always still come across as the Tory "arrse licker". And are continuing to do so.
posted on 6/6/22
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Rude Van Nist (U22799)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 hours, 52 minutes ago
Nah, he'll win comfortably...for the same reason as why the Conservatives are in power, the alternative is rubbish!
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Torys main cheerleader back at it again. Shut up man. Youre embarrassing.
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How did the woeful Tories stroll in to power then? Because they're amazing or because the alternative was not credible ?
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Do you REALLY want a full analysis? My God man, the reasons for Johnson's majority are largely down to the spin (and lies) told to the public about the benefits of Brexit (), about Corbyn's links to terrorist organisations (another lie), and after poo-pooing a lot of the fully costed Labour manifesto, went on to adopt a lot of their policies as though they were all their own ideas.
You have been done up like a kipper
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