Cheers Chicago, much like you, grew up watching Les Jackson and Gladwin, and Rhodes.
Rhodes career was ruined by an umpire I think his name was Sid Buller.
He repeatedly called him for a no ball for throwing.
Cameras were brought in to film his action and they said he was not throwing, but as soon as Rhodes bowled again he called him again and he was taken off.
It's strange that no one questioned why Umpire Buller could see something that cameras couldn't pick up.
The county Ground was pretty bleak on those days and a breeze sometimes felt like an arctic wind, but when the sun shone hot and the amber liquid flowed, sunburn somehow never matterd.
Cheers back at you!
Yes I remember the Rhodes fiasco. An absolute travesty which ruined a career. "Dusty" explained that he was double-jointed in his bowling arm which allowed him to have a sort of whipping action. As you say, Buller somehow was able to spot in real time something which slo-mo cameras could not!
Yes it was not all balmy May days at the County Ground. On the other hand the evening sun off Aitons' roof caused no end of problems such that the pitch had to be re-sited.
Have to say that it was pure delight watching Kirsten bat and field. I saw him score a ton at Chesterfield against, I think, Glamorgan - all wrist; so easy. And then I saw him run out two batsmen at the CG in consecutive overs - direct hits which left both batsmen shaking their heads in disbelief! And what an inspirational skipper was Eddie Barlow! He completely galvanised that team.
Yes we have had some fantastic players, sprinkled with some dross, much like the Rams, but not being a fashionable team like those darn sarf, we couldn't attract the top guns.
I was upset when Chris (grizzly) Adam's left because he really was top class.
comment by Chicagoram (U22653)
posted 17 minutes ago
Cheers back at you!
Yes I remember the Rhodes fiasco. An absolute travesty which ruined a career. "Dusty" explained that he was double-jointed in his bowling arm which allowed him to have a sort of whipping action. As you say, Buller somehow was able to spot in real time something which slo-mo cameras could not!
Yes it was not all balmy May days at the County Ground. On the other hand the evening sun off Aitons' roof caused no end of problems such that the pitch had to be re-sited.
Have to say that it was pure delight watching Kirsten bat and field. I saw him score a ton at Chesterfield against, I think, Glamorgan - all wrist; so easy. And then I saw him run out two batsmen at the CG in consecutive overs - direct hits which left both batsmen shaking their heads in disbelief! And what an inspirational skipper was Eddie Barlow! He completely galvanised that team.
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Dusty was Harold Rhodes's father, and also an umpire, he refused to stand with Buller after that. Harold Rhodes later trained to be an umpire in Ist class cricket but the MCC prevented it.
The call from Buller came after England and Middlesex spin bowler Fred Titmus had gone to the newspapers claiming that Rhodes was a chucker, Buller callled Rhodes in a game where Rhodes had skittled out the South Africans who went on to thrash England in the tests. The assistant of the MCC at the time of the Harold Rhodes throwing incident was ex Derbyshire and England captain, Donald Carr.
Yes Adams was a good'un as was Kim Barnet, another big loss. Nice fellow too. I was lucky enough to sit next to Kim at a Sportsmens' dinner. (I was not a sportsman; just an invitee!)
Just had another memory. There were some DCFC players at that dinner - Phil Gee and Mel Sage to name but two. As I was leaving (it was only about 10 pm) I told Gee (with tongue in cheek) that he should have been in bed! If looks could kill!
I met Kim many times when at Redrow.He came with his wife to buy a 4 bed home at the Oakwood site, and i went in to do the snagging many times, a very nice couple.
He would offer me tickets but we worked 7 days a week then, so would have been wasted.
Must admit I've never been a cricket fan and my only visit to the County Ground was a lunchtime visit for a Testimonial Lunch for the then Derby Goalie - Martin Taylor. I think he'd had his leg broken quite badly and my memory is that it finished his career. Anyway Jim Smith was the then Derby Manager and he gave the after dinner speech. This was basically a collection of his football stories. Jim was a lovely bloke and we chatted to him after.
On a slight different note I went the an evening "do" at Notts County. I'm pretty sure Sam Allardyce was the then Manager. A really dour character. But rather surprisingly the star speaker was the Referee Neil Midgley. He'd retired by then. But was a natural comedian. I can honestly say I've never laughed so much in my life. My face ached by the time I left. Happy days.
Great manager Jim (The Bald Eagle) Smith.
I watched Derbyshire quite a bit as a young man. I was at Lords when we won the one-day final off the last ball against Northants. Kirsten was a wonderful batsman as was John Wright but Bob Taylor was an absolute genius. He would remove a single bail with one finger and replace it again before the batsman even had time to turn round and realise he'd been stumped. He should have played many more times for England. I could understand Alan Knott getting the nod because he was not just a terrific keeper (though not as good as Taylor) but also a very good batsman, but after Knott went "Iron Gloves" Tolchard was selected ahead of Taylor for a while which was criminal.
I saw Geoff Boycott score a century before lunch against us at Chesterfield once, a very uncharacteristic innings in its expansiveness but a delight to see a master at work.
For his consistency Boycott has never been replaced
Unfortunately I didn't make it to the Lords final v Northants, but my brother went and non of his group knew who had won for ages after, (as there was a mass pitch invasion).
comment by lastapostleofvidal (U1491)
posted 46 minutes ago
I watched Derbyshire quite a bit as a young man. I was at Lords when we won the one-day final off the last ball against Northants. Kirsten was a wonderful batsman as was John Wright but Bob Taylor was an absolute genius. He would remove a single bail with one finger and replace it again before the batsman even had time to turn round and realise he'd been stumped. He should have played many more times for England. I could understand Alan Knott getting the nod because he was not just a terrific keeper (though not as good as Taylor) but also a very good batsman, but after Knott went "Iron Gloves" Tolchard was selected ahead of Taylor for a while which was criminal.
I saw Geoff Boycott score a century before lunch against us at Chesterfield once, a very uncharacteristic innings in its expansiveness but a delight to see a master at work.
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Totally agree with you especially about Bob Taylor, he was magic behind the stumps. I remember him on 98 in a test and got out to a silly shot, the catcher was embarrassed. And I was thrilled when after retiring he kept wicket again when someone was injured.
Are you sure it was Tolchard who went to the West Indies instead of him, I thought it was David Bairstow.
All these great posts are really getting the nostalgia juices going but first about Bob Taylor - the greatest. Whereas other keepers would do fancy dives so as to get their catches Bob would already be in position to take the catch via anticipation - no need to dive and risk a spill. I felt he should always have been picked ahead of Knott but his batting was not really good enough at a time when it was being realised that you needed eleven batsmen in a team if you were to beat the Windies for example.
And that leads me to those great Test sides and personnel. Normally it was considered an achievement if a team had two really good quickies but the Windies had four of 'em! I'm trying to remember - Hall, Holding, Garner and who was the fourth? Anyway batsmen had no respite. Then there were the batsmen - Kanhai, Sobers, Richards, Greenidge, Butcher, Lloyd; good grief! The Aussies had Lilley and Thompson known collectively as Lilian Thompson and who was that great South African bowler - Donald?
That brings up some funny moments from the commentary box. For example the announcer would take us across to Lords where the commentator started with "the bowler's Holding the batsman's Willey". Or at an appropriate point in a Test: "Lilley, bowled Dilley, caught Willey in the gulley." And best of all, Bryan Johnson's "he couldn't get his leg over" when Botham collided with the stumps. That creased up the commentary box for about ten minutes!
The thing is Chicago.... nostalgia isn't what it used to be....
Normally it was considered an achievement if a team had two really good quickies but the Windies had four of 'em! I'm trying to remember - Hall, Holding, Garner and who was the fourth?
Malcolm Marshall?
comment by Scouse (U9675)
posted 31 minutes ago
Normally it was considered an achievement if a team had two really good quickies but the Windies had four of 'em! I'm trying to remember - Hall, Holding, Garner and who was the fourth?
Malcolm Marshall?
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You wouldn't fancy facing that lot would you? ,and as then, without helmets.
comment by Scouse (U9675)
posted 48 minutes ago
Normally it was considered an achievement if a team had two really good quickies but the Windies had four of 'em! I'm trying to remember - Hall, Holding, Garner and who was the fourth?
Malcolm Marshall?
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............ or maybe Colin Croft?
Thanks Scouse - I was indeed thinking of Marshall.
comment by Terry Hennessey (U22420)
posted 51 minutes ago
The thing is Chicago.... nostalgia isn't what it used to be....
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comment by Chicagoram (U22653)
posted 1 second ago
comment by Terry Hennessey (U22420)
posted 51 minutes ago
The thing is Chicago.... nostalgia isn't what it used to be....
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Sorry Terry - I was trying for the big grin and failed miserably!
Just to get back to the present day, which I don't often do....Andy Appleby seems to be the favourite to save our club. I think he is the best bet, I can't stand that Ashley bloke.
comment by VC10Ram (U18980)
posted 1 minute ago
Just to get back to the present day, which I don't often do....Andy Appleby seems to be the favourite to save our club. I think he is the best bet, I can't stand that Ashley bloke.
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It really is bad if the best is Appleby.
Don't like him.
Derbyshire Falcons v Northampton Steelbacks is on youtube from 7.00pm
comment by Scouse (U9675)
posted 3 hours, 3 minutes ago
comment by Scouse (U9675)
posted 48 minutes ago
Normally it was considered an achievement if a team had two really good quickies but the Windies had four of 'em! I'm trying to remember - Hall, Holding, Garner and who was the fourth?
Malcolm Marshall?
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............ or maybe Colin Croft?
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Wes Hall was years earlier in the 1960s, partnered Charlie Griffiths. Anderson Roberts was the 4th although Colin Croft Malcolm Marshals and Patrick Patterson also came in towards the end on their era.
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posted on 20/6/22
Cheers Chicago, much like you, grew up watching Les Jackson and Gladwin, and Rhodes.
Rhodes career was ruined by an umpire I think his name was Sid Buller.
He repeatedly called him for a no ball for throwing.
Cameras were brought in to film his action and they said he was not throwing, but as soon as Rhodes bowled again he called him again and he was taken off.
It's strange that no one questioned why Umpire Buller could see something that cameras couldn't pick up.
The county Ground was pretty bleak on those days and a breeze sometimes felt like an arctic wind, but when the sun shone hot and the amber liquid flowed, sunburn somehow never matterd.
posted on 20/6/22
Cheers back at you!
Yes I remember the Rhodes fiasco. An absolute travesty which ruined a career. "Dusty" explained that he was double-jointed in his bowling arm which allowed him to have a sort of whipping action. As you say, Buller somehow was able to spot in real time something which slo-mo cameras could not!
Yes it was not all balmy May days at the County Ground. On the other hand the evening sun off Aitons' roof caused no end of problems such that the pitch had to be re-sited.
Have to say that it was pure delight watching Kirsten bat and field. I saw him score a ton at Chesterfield against, I think, Glamorgan - all wrist; so easy. And then I saw him run out two batsmen at the CG in consecutive overs - direct hits which left both batsmen shaking their heads in disbelief! And what an inspirational skipper was Eddie Barlow! He completely galvanised that team.
posted on 20/6/22
Yes we have had some fantastic players, sprinkled with some dross, much like the Rams, but not being a fashionable team like those darn sarf, we couldn't attract the top guns.
I was upset when Chris (grizzly) Adam's left because he really was top class.
posted on 20/6/22
comment by Chicagoram (U22653)
posted 17 minutes ago
Cheers back at you!
Yes I remember the Rhodes fiasco. An absolute travesty which ruined a career. "Dusty" explained that he was double-jointed in his bowling arm which allowed him to have a sort of whipping action. As you say, Buller somehow was able to spot in real time something which slo-mo cameras could not!
Yes it was not all balmy May days at the County Ground. On the other hand the evening sun off Aitons' roof caused no end of problems such that the pitch had to be re-sited.
Have to say that it was pure delight watching Kirsten bat and field. I saw him score a ton at Chesterfield against, I think, Glamorgan - all wrist; so easy. And then I saw him run out two batsmen at the CG in consecutive overs - direct hits which left both batsmen shaking their heads in disbelief! And what an inspirational skipper was Eddie Barlow! He completely galvanised that team.
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Dusty was Harold Rhodes's father, and also an umpire, he refused to stand with Buller after that. Harold Rhodes later trained to be an umpire in Ist class cricket but the MCC prevented it.
The call from Buller came after England and Middlesex spin bowler Fred Titmus had gone to the newspapers claiming that Rhodes was a chucker, Buller callled Rhodes in a game where Rhodes had skittled out the South Africans who went on to thrash England in the tests. The assistant of the MCC at the time of the Harold Rhodes throwing incident was ex Derbyshire and England captain, Donald Carr.
posted on 20/6/22
Yes Adams was a good'un as was Kim Barnet, another big loss. Nice fellow too. I was lucky enough to sit next to Kim at a Sportsmens' dinner. (I was not a sportsman; just an invitee!)
posted on 20/6/22
Just had another memory. There were some DCFC players at that dinner - Phil Gee and Mel Sage to name but two. As I was leaving (it was only about 10 pm) I told Gee (with tongue in cheek) that he should have been in bed! If looks could kill!
posted on 20/6/22
I met Kim many times when at Redrow.He came with his wife to buy a 4 bed home at the Oakwood site, and i went in to do the snagging many times, a very nice couple.
He would offer me tickets but we worked 7 days a week then, so would have been wasted.
posted on 21/6/22
Must admit I've never been a cricket fan and my only visit to the County Ground was a lunchtime visit for a Testimonial Lunch for the then Derby Goalie - Martin Taylor. I think he'd had his leg broken quite badly and my memory is that it finished his career. Anyway Jim Smith was the then Derby Manager and he gave the after dinner speech. This was basically a collection of his football stories. Jim was a lovely bloke and we chatted to him after.
On a slight different note I went the an evening "do" at Notts County. I'm pretty sure Sam Allardyce was the then Manager. A really dour character. But rather surprisingly the star speaker was the Referee Neil Midgley. He'd retired by then. But was a natural comedian. I can honestly say I've never laughed so much in my life. My face ached by the time I left. Happy days.
posted on 21/6/22
Great manager Jim (The Bald Eagle) Smith.
posted on 21/6/22
I watched Derbyshire quite a bit as a young man. I was at Lords when we won the one-day final off the last ball against Northants. Kirsten was a wonderful batsman as was John Wright but Bob Taylor was an absolute genius. He would remove a single bail with one finger and replace it again before the batsman even had time to turn round and realise he'd been stumped. He should have played many more times for England. I could understand Alan Knott getting the nod because he was not just a terrific keeper (though not as good as Taylor) but also a very good batsman, but after Knott went "Iron Gloves" Tolchard was selected ahead of Taylor for a while which was criminal.
I saw Geoff Boycott score a century before lunch against us at Chesterfield once, a very uncharacteristic innings in its expansiveness but a delight to see a master at work.
posted on 21/6/22
For his consistency Boycott has never been replaced
posted on 21/6/22
Unfortunately I didn't make it to the Lords final v Northants, but my brother went and non of his group knew who had won for ages after, (as there was a mass pitch invasion).
posted on 21/6/22
comment by lastapostleofvidal (U1491)
posted 46 minutes ago
I watched Derbyshire quite a bit as a young man. I was at Lords when we won the one-day final off the last ball against Northants. Kirsten was a wonderful batsman as was John Wright but Bob Taylor was an absolute genius. He would remove a single bail with one finger and replace it again before the batsman even had time to turn round and realise he'd been stumped. He should have played many more times for England. I could understand Alan Knott getting the nod because he was not just a terrific keeper (though not as good as Taylor) but also a very good batsman, but after Knott went "Iron Gloves" Tolchard was selected ahead of Taylor for a while which was criminal.
I saw Geoff Boycott score a century before lunch against us at Chesterfield once, a very uncharacteristic innings in its expansiveness but a delight to see a master at work.
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Totally agree with you especially about Bob Taylor, he was magic behind the stumps. I remember him on 98 in a test and got out to a silly shot, the catcher was embarrassed. And I was thrilled when after retiring he kept wicket again when someone was injured.
Are you sure it was Tolchard who went to the West Indies instead of him, I thought it was David Bairstow.
posted on 21/6/22
All these great posts are really getting the nostalgia juices going but first about Bob Taylor - the greatest. Whereas other keepers would do fancy dives so as to get their catches Bob would already be in position to take the catch via anticipation - no need to dive and risk a spill. I felt he should always have been picked ahead of Knott but his batting was not really good enough at a time when it was being realised that you needed eleven batsmen in a team if you were to beat the Windies for example.
And that leads me to those great Test sides and personnel. Normally it was considered an achievement if a team had two really good quickies but the Windies had four of 'em! I'm trying to remember - Hall, Holding, Garner and who was the fourth? Anyway batsmen had no respite. Then there were the batsmen - Kanhai, Sobers, Richards, Greenidge, Butcher, Lloyd; good grief! The Aussies had Lilley and Thompson known collectively as Lilian Thompson and who was that great South African bowler - Donald?
That brings up some funny moments from the commentary box. For example the announcer would take us across to Lords where the commentator started with "the bowler's Holding the batsman's Willey". Or at an appropriate point in a Test: "Lilley, bowled Dilley, caught Willey in the gulley." And best of all, Bryan Johnson's "he couldn't get his leg over" when Botham collided with the stumps. That creased up the commentary box for about ten minutes!
posted on 21/6/22
The thing is Chicago.... nostalgia isn't what it used to be....
posted on 21/6/22
Normally it was considered an achievement if a team had two really good quickies but the Windies had four of 'em! I'm trying to remember - Hall, Holding, Garner and who was the fourth?
Malcolm Marshall?
posted on 21/6/22
comment by Scouse (U9675)
posted 31 minutes ago
Normally it was considered an achievement if a team had two really good quickies but the Windies had four of 'em! I'm trying to remember - Hall, Holding, Garner and who was the fourth?
Malcolm Marshall?
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You wouldn't fancy facing that lot would you? ,and as then, without helmets.
posted on 21/6/22
comment by Scouse (U9675)
posted 48 minutes ago
Normally it was considered an achievement if a team had two really good quickies but the Windies had four of 'em! I'm trying to remember - Hall, Holding, Garner and who was the fourth?
Malcolm Marshall?
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............ or maybe Colin Croft?
posted on 21/6/22
Thanks Scouse - I was indeed thinking of Marshall.
posted on 21/6/22
comment by Terry Hennessey (U22420)
posted 51 minutes ago
The thing is Chicago.... nostalgia isn't what it used to be....
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:_D
posted on 21/6/22
comment by Chicagoram (U22653)
posted 1 second ago
comment by Terry Hennessey (U22420)
posted 51 minutes ago
The thing is Chicago.... nostalgia isn't what it used to be....
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:_D
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Sorry Terry - I was trying for the big grin and failed miserably!
posted on 21/6/22
Just to get back to the present day, which I don't often do....Andy Appleby seems to be the favourite to save our club. I think he is the best bet, I can't stand that Ashley bloke.
posted on 21/6/22
comment by VC10Ram (U18980)
posted 1 minute ago
Just to get back to the present day, which I don't often do....Andy Appleby seems to be the favourite to save our club. I think he is the best bet, I can't stand that Ashley bloke.
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It really is bad if the best is Appleby.
Don't like him.
posted on 21/6/22
Derbyshire Falcons v Northampton Steelbacks is on youtube from 7.00pm
posted on 21/6/22
comment by Scouse (U9675)
posted 3 hours, 3 minutes ago
comment by Scouse (U9675)
posted 48 minutes ago
Normally it was considered an achievement if a team had two really good quickies but the Windies had four of 'em! I'm trying to remember - Hall, Holding, Garner and who was the fourth?
Malcolm Marshall?
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............ or maybe Colin Croft?
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Wes Hall was years earlier in the 1960s, partnered Charlie Griffiths. Anderson Roberts was the 4th although Colin Croft Malcolm Marshals and Patrick Patterson also came in towards the end on their era.
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