fundamentalists from any background are dangerous and need outing, whether it’s Religious, Political etc
But agreed, Religion and it’s archaic, inhumane views has a lot to answer for in regards to many of the world’s problems today and throughout history
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
You do realize what I posted was the UK laws about legally accessing abortion?
All this furore about the US has brought our judgemental folks, especially everyone’s favorite Australian who loves commenting on America with zero context outside of what he reads online, who seem to think this kinda thing is unique to America.
There’s an irony in this whole decision. Obviously the topic is highly sensitive, but a lot of the people outraged by this are the same people who are also banging on about Jan 6th and how the republicans want to destroy democracy.
This judgement is actually the most democracy favoring judgement ever. The SCOTUS has literally ruled that the federal government cannot say what you can or cannot do.
They have handed the power to judge abortion rights back to the people. They have empowered the states to self govern.
If you want abortion vote for it, if you don’t vote against it. The hyperbole that the abortion is now banned is so ignorant and naive.
13 states will enact trigger laws, if you don’t like it, vote your state senate out. Elect officials who believe in pro choice.
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No, these people have taken the choice of millions of women away and handed it to somebody else. Not only that, they've taken the choice of what women can do with their own selves! You can argue it's democratic to have states and governments make their own decisions. But what is more democratic and free than being able to decide what you do with your own self?
“ Obviously the topic is highly sensitive, but a lot of the people outraged by this are the same people who are also banging on about Jan 6th and how the republicans want to destroy democracy.”
It was Trump, by proxy the Republicans, who wanted to destroy democracy, although quite a few Republicans are still parroting the line about election fraud.
What’s your take on Jan 6th?
comment by HEY, WE'RE BACK (U22866)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 27 minutes ago
One thing I have found interesting in this debate is the female claims that this is a denial of the rights and equality.
On the one hand I understand they have to carry and birth the child.
But I have pondered, that a child is not the result of one person. “It takes two to tango”
Is it equality if the Father doesn’t want the child but the mother does and keeps the child then she’s for child support?
Is it equality if the father wants the child and the mother aborts it?
It’s a highly flammable view I know but I feel like, outside of rape or ince$t, surely aborting a child should be an agreed decision by both parties?
For the record this view has nothing to do with the ruling but I just feel there’s a bit of non-equality in what women seem most upset about here.
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Well saidand very well put
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It isnt well put. It literally avoids taking the argument to conclusion.
What happens if both parties are unable to agree? Who gets to make the deciding choice?
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
One thing I have found interesting in this debate is the female claims that this is a denial of the rights and equality.
On the one hand I understand they have to carry and birth the child.
But I have pondered, that a child is not the result of one person. “It takes two to tango”
Is it equality if the Father doesn’t want the child but the mother does and keeps the child then she’s for child support?
Is it equality if the father wants the child and the mother aborts it?
It’s a highly flammable view I know but I feel like, outside of rape or ince$t, surely aborting a child should be an agreed decision by both parties?
For the record this view has nothing to do with the ruling but I just feel there’s a bit of non-equality in what women seem most upset about here.
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what about the rights of the unborn child aswell
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
You do realize what I posted was the UK laws about legally accessing abortion?
All this furore about the US has brought our judgemental folks, especially everyone’s favorite Australian who loves commenting on America with zero context outside of what he reads online, who seem to think this kinda thing is unique to America.
There’s an irony in this whole decision. Obviously the topic is highly sensitive, but a lot of the people outraged by this are the same people who are also banging on about Jan 6th and how the republicans want to destroy democracy.
This judgement is actually the most democracy favoring judgement ever. The SCOTUS has literally ruled that the federal government cannot say what you can or cannot do.
They have handed the power to judge abortion rights back to the people. They have empowered the states to self govern.
If you want abortion vote for it, if you don’t vote against it. The hyperbole that the abortion is now banned is so ignorant and naive.
13 states will enact trigger laws, if you don’t like it, vote your state senate out. Elect officials who believe in pro choice.
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"This judgement is actually the most democracy favoring judgement ever. The SCOTUS has literally ruled that the federal government cannot say what you can or cannot do.
They have handed the power to judge abortion rights back to the people"
Right. Let's clarify. You think taking the choice of whether to have an abortion away from the individuals affected and giving it to a bunch of completely unrelated parties is handing power "back to the people"?
abortion as a form of birth control is v wrong imo
it's a modern evil
no idea what is this doing in a forum about football or shall i call it soccer ?
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
You do realize what I posted was the UK laws about legally accessing abortion?
All this furore about the US has brought our judgemental folks, especially everyone’s favorite Australian who loves commenting on America with zero context outside of what he reads online, who seem to think this kinda thing is unique to America.
There’s an irony in this whole decision. Obviously the topic is highly sensitive, but a lot of the people outraged by this are the same people who are also banging on about Jan 6th and how the republicans want to destroy democracy.
This judgement is actually the most democracy favoring judgement ever. The SCOTUS has literally ruled that the federal government cannot say what you can or cannot do.
They have handed the power to judge abortion rights back to the people. They have empowered the states to self govern.
If you want abortion vote for it, if you don’t vote against it. The hyperbole that the abortion is now banned is so ignorant and naive.
13 states will enact trigger laws, if you don’t like it, vote your state senate out. Elect officials who believe in pro choice.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"This judgement is actually the most democracy favoring judgement ever. The SCOTUS has literally ruled that the federal government cannot say what you can or cannot do.
They have handed the power to judge abortion rights back to the people"
Right. Let's clarify. You think taking the choice of whether to have an abortion away from the individuals affected and giving it to a bunch of completely unrelated parties is handing power "back to the people"?
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Aparently it's freedom. Americans have the freedom to choose their rulers, just not the freedom to decide for themselves
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
You do realize what I posted was the UK laws about legally accessing abortion?
All this furore about the US has brought our judgemental folks, especially everyone’s favorite Australian who loves commenting on America with zero context outside of what he reads online, who seem to think this kinda thing is unique to America.
There’s an irony in this whole decision. Obviously the topic is highly sensitive, but a lot of the people outraged by this are the same people who are also banging on about Jan 6th and how the republicans want to destroy democracy.
This judgement is actually the most democracy favoring judgement ever. The SCOTUS has literally ruled that the federal government cannot say what you can or cannot do.
They have handed the power to judge abortion rights back to the people. They have empowered the states to self govern.
If you want abortion vote for it, if you don’t vote against it. The hyperbole that the abortion is now banned is so ignorant and naive.
13 states will enact trigger laws, if you don’t like it, vote your state senate out. Elect officials who believe in pro choice.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Living in America has melted your brain.
comment by HEY, WE'RE BACK (U22866)
posted 35 minutes ago
fundamentalists from any background are dangerous and need outing, whether it’s Religious, Political etc
But agreed, Religion and it’s archaic, inhumane views has a lot to answer for in regards to many of the world’s problems today and throughout history
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And what about all the good it has done. Plus the solace and comfort to millions of people, now and in the past.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by HEY, WE'RE BACK (U22866)
posted 35 minutes ago
fundamentalists from any background are dangerous and need outing, whether it’s Religious, Political etc
But agreed, Religion and it’s archaic, inhumane views has a lot to answer for in regards to many of the world’s problems today and throughout history
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And what about all the good it has done. Plus the solace and comfort to millions of people, now and in the past.
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I suppose it depends on whether the good outweighs the bad, which is debatable. But I take your point, these things are seldom black and white.
I suppose a further consideration is how many wars etc that could be attributable to religion are actually caused by it. Here in NI, for example, it could have been seen as a religious war. But that's just because most Nationalists happen to be Catholics and mode Unionists Protestants. However, if you took religion out of it, I still think the Troubles would have happened as you had two peoples with separate cultural identities fighting over one piece of land.
The religious element may well have exacerbated things and made things starker in terms of 'them and us' (different churches, different schools etc) but I don't think that if religion was abolished, the question of national identity would have just disappeared. Although the rampant discrimination against Catholics in NI certainly didn't help things!
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 23 minutes ago
abortion as a form of birth control is v wrong imo
it's a modern evil
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Why do you care? What does other people's business have to do with you?
How does this affect your life?
Modern evil is shoving your beliefs down people's throats.
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 23 minutes ago
abortion as a form of birth control is v wrong imo
it's a modern evil
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Why do you care? What does other people's business have to do with you?
How does this affect your life?
Modern evil is shoving your beliefs down people's throats.
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the murder of unborn children for birth control is something we should all care about
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by HEY, WE'RE BACK (U22866)
posted 35 minutes ago
fundamentalists from any background are dangerous and need outing, whether it’s Religious, Political etc
But agreed, Religion and it’s archaic, inhumane views has a lot to answer for in regards to many of the world’s problems today and throughout history
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And what about all the good it has done. Plus the solace and comfort to millions of people, now and in the past.
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Religion should be a personal choice.
If it gives people comfort and makes people feel safe, great. Personally I'm not afraid to live in a universe with no God.
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 23 minutes ago
abortion as a form of birth control is v wrong imo
it's a modern evil
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Why do you care? What does other people's business have to do with you?
How does this affect your life?
Modern evil is shoving your beliefs down people's throats.
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the murder of unborn children for birth control is something we should all care about
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I agree. There should be free access to birth control.
It’s not fackimg murder ffs.
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by HEY, WE'RE BACK (U22866)
posted 35 minutes ago
fundamentalists from any background are dangerous and need outing, whether it’s Religious, Political etc
But agreed, Religion and it’s archaic, inhumane views has a lot to answer for in regards to many of the world’s problems today and throughout history
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And what about all the good it has done. Plus the solace and comfort to millions of people, now and in the past.
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I suppose it depends on whether the good outweighs the bad, which is debatable. But I take your point, these things are seldom black and white.
I suppose a further consideration is how many wars etc that could be attributable to religion are actually caused by it. Here in NI, for example, it could have been seen as a religious war. But that's just because most Nationalists happen to be Catholics and mode Unionists Protestants. However, if you took religion out of it, I still think the Troubles would have happened as you had two peoples with separate cultural identities fighting over one piece of land.
The religious element may well have exacerbated things and made things starker in terms of 'them and us' (different churches, different schools etc) but I don't think that if religion was abolished, the question of national identity would have just disappeared. Although the rampant discrimination against Catholics in NI certainly didn't help things!
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Aye, bit them uns started it😉
Kiddin 🤣
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by HEY, WE'RE BACK (U22866)
posted 35 minutes ago
fundamentalists from any background are dangerous and need outing, whether it’s Religious, Political etc
But agreed, Religion and it’s archaic, inhumane views has a lot to answer for in regards to many of the world’s problems today and throughout history
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And what about all the good it has done. Plus the solace and comfort to millions of people, now and in the past.
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I’m talking about ‘Religion’ as an orchestrated, man-made, power-driven, controlling institution - it’s there to dictate, control and manipulate the masses for good and bad - there’s a huge difference between that and the internal journey of faith being lived out world to do good For the world and none another
Religion of all types…has been responsible for more deaths and destruction in the world thank anything else
Religion is toxic and Fundamentalist Religion is the most dangerous of all IMO
comment by HEY, WE'RE BACK (U22866)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by HEY, WE'RE BACK (U22866)
posted 35 minutes ago
fundamentalists from any background are dangerous and need outing, whether it’s Religious, Political etc
But agreed, Religion and it’s archaic, inhumane views has a lot to answer for in regards to many of the world’s problems today and throughout history
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And what about all the good it has done. Plus the solace and comfort to millions of people, now and in the past.
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I’m talking about ‘Religion’ as an orchestrated, man-made, power-driven, controlling institution - it’s there to dictate, control and manipulate the masses for good and bad - there’s a huge difference between that and the internal journey of faith being lived out world to do good For the world and none another
Religion of all types…has been responsible for more deaths and destruction in the world thank anything else
Religion is toxic and Fundamentalist Religion is the most dangerous of all IMO
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🙏
I believe in God and try to live a good life, with a personal faith, and attend a wee church most Sundays, but organised religion and it's fundamentalist factions are shameful very often, and church, chapel, mosque or synogogue preach hate and division way too often, while covering up sins of the father's.
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 2 hours, 59 minutes ago
One thing I have found interesting in this debate is the female claims that this is a denial of the rights and equality.
On the one hand I understand they have to carry and birth the child.
But I have pondered, that a child is not the result of one person. “It takes two to tango”
Is it equality if the Father doesn’t want the child but the mother does and keeps the child then she’s for child support?
Is it equality if the father wants the child and the mother aborts it?
It’s a highly flammable view I know but I feel like, outside of rape or ince$t, surely aborting a child should be an agreed decision by both parties?
For the record this view has nothing to do with the ruling but I just feel there’s a bit of non-equality in what women seem most upset about here.
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Children are not aborted.
Embryos and foetuses are aborted.
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 23 minutes ago
abortion as a form of birth control is v wrong imo
it's a modern evil
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Why do you care? What does other people's business have to do with you?
How does this affect your life?
Modern evil is shoving your beliefs down people's throats.
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the murder of unborn children for birth control is something we should all care about
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Is it murder? Is it deleloped enough at that point, I’m not so sure.
No issue with abortion, religion influencing politics though is a facking travesty. The Republican Party are evil,
It’s pretty difficult to avoid religion influencing politics.
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 2 hours, 59 minutes ago
One thing I have found interesting in this debate is the female claims that this is a denial of the rights and equality.
On the one hand I understand they have to carry and birth the child.
But I have pondered, that a child is not the result of one person. “It takes two to tango”
Is it equality if the Father doesn’t want the child but the mother does and keeps the child then she’s for child support?
Is it equality if the father wants the child and the mother aborts it?
It’s a highly flammable view I know but I feel like, outside of rape or ince$t, surely aborting a child should be an agreed decision by both parties?
For the record this view has nothing to do with the ruling but I just feel there’s a bit of non-equality in what women seem most upset about here.
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Children are not aborted.
Embryos and foetuses are aborted.
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at what point does an unborn child gain human rights then ?
3 months after conception? 6 months ?
or only after the child is born
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Abortion furore & trigger laws
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posted on 25/6/22
fundamentalists from any background are dangerous and need outing, whether it’s Religious, Political etc
But agreed, Religion and it’s archaic, inhumane views has a lot to answer for in regards to many of the world’s problems today and throughout history
posted on 25/6/22
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
You do realize what I posted was the UK laws about legally accessing abortion?
All this furore about the US has brought our judgemental folks, especially everyone’s favorite Australian who loves commenting on America with zero context outside of what he reads online, who seem to think this kinda thing is unique to America.
There’s an irony in this whole decision. Obviously the topic is highly sensitive, but a lot of the people outraged by this are the same people who are also banging on about Jan 6th and how the republicans want to destroy democracy.
This judgement is actually the most democracy favoring judgement ever. The SCOTUS has literally ruled that the federal government cannot say what you can or cannot do.
They have handed the power to judge abortion rights back to the people. They have empowered the states to self govern.
If you want abortion vote for it, if you don’t vote against it. The hyperbole that the abortion is now banned is so ignorant and naive.
13 states will enact trigger laws, if you don’t like it, vote your state senate out. Elect officials who believe in pro choice.
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No, these people have taken the choice of millions of women away and handed it to somebody else. Not only that, they've taken the choice of what women can do with their own selves! You can argue it's democratic to have states and governments make their own decisions. But what is more democratic and free than being able to decide what you do with your own self?
posted on 25/6/22
“ Obviously the topic is highly sensitive, but a lot of the people outraged by this are the same people who are also banging on about Jan 6th and how the republicans want to destroy democracy.”
It was Trump, by proxy the Republicans, who wanted to destroy democracy, although quite a few Republicans are still parroting the line about election fraud.
What’s your take on Jan 6th?
posted on 25/6/22
comment by HEY, WE'RE BACK (U22866)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 27 minutes ago
One thing I have found interesting in this debate is the female claims that this is a denial of the rights and equality.
On the one hand I understand they have to carry and birth the child.
But I have pondered, that a child is not the result of one person. “It takes two to tango”
Is it equality if the Father doesn’t want the child but the mother does and keeps the child then she’s for child support?
Is it equality if the father wants the child and the mother aborts it?
It’s a highly flammable view I know but I feel like, outside of rape or ince$t, surely aborting a child should be an agreed decision by both parties?
For the record this view has nothing to do with the ruling but I just feel there’s a bit of non-equality in what women seem most upset about here.
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Well saidand very well put
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It isnt well put. It literally avoids taking the argument to conclusion.
What happens if both parties are unable to agree? Who gets to make the deciding choice?
posted on 25/6/22
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
One thing I have found interesting in this debate is the female claims that this is a denial of the rights and equality.
On the one hand I understand they have to carry and birth the child.
But I have pondered, that a child is not the result of one person. “It takes two to tango”
Is it equality if the Father doesn’t want the child but the mother does and keeps the child then she’s for child support?
Is it equality if the father wants the child and the mother aborts it?
It’s a highly flammable view I know but I feel like, outside of rape or ince$t, surely aborting a child should be an agreed decision by both parties?
For the record this view has nothing to do with the ruling but I just feel there’s a bit of non-equality in what women seem most upset about here.
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what about the rights of the unborn child aswell
posted on 25/6/22
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
You do realize what I posted was the UK laws about legally accessing abortion?
All this furore about the US has brought our judgemental folks, especially everyone’s favorite Australian who loves commenting on America with zero context outside of what he reads online, who seem to think this kinda thing is unique to America.
There’s an irony in this whole decision. Obviously the topic is highly sensitive, but a lot of the people outraged by this are the same people who are also banging on about Jan 6th and how the republicans want to destroy democracy.
This judgement is actually the most democracy favoring judgement ever. The SCOTUS has literally ruled that the federal government cannot say what you can or cannot do.
They have handed the power to judge abortion rights back to the people. They have empowered the states to self govern.
If you want abortion vote for it, if you don’t vote against it. The hyperbole that the abortion is now banned is so ignorant and naive.
13 states will enact trigger laws, if you don’t like it, vote your state senate out. Elect officials who believe in pro choice.
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"This judgement is actually the most democracy favoring judgement ever. The SCOTUS has literally ruled that the federal government cannot say what you can or cannot do.
They have handed the power to judge abortion rights back to the people"
Right. Let's clarify. You think taking the choice of whether to have an abortion away from the individuals affected and giving it to a bunch of completely unrelated parties is handing power "back to the people"?
posted on 25/6/22
abortion as a form of birth control is v wrong imo
it's a modern evil
posted on 25/6/22
no idea what is this doing in a forum about football or shall i call it soccer ?
posted on 25/6/22
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
You do realize what I posted was the UK laws about legally accessing abortion?
All this furore about the US has brought our judgemental folks, especially everyone’s favorite Australian who loves commenting on America with zero context outside of what he reads online, who seem to think this kinda thing is unique to America.
There’s an irony in this whole decision. Obviously the topic is highly sensitive, but a lot of the people outraged by this are the same people who are also banging on about Jan 6th and how the republicans want to destroy democracy.
This judgement is actually the most democracy favoring judgement ever. The SCOTUS has literally ruled that the federal government cannot say what you can or cannot do.
They have handed the power to judge abortion rights back to the people. They have empowered the states to self govern.
If you want abortion vote for it, if you don’t vote against it. The hyperbole that the abortion is now banned is so ignorant and naive.
13 states will enact trigger laws, if you don’t like it, vote your state senate out. Elect officials who believe in pro choice.
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"This judgement is actually the most democracy favoring judgement ever. The SCOTUS has literally ruled that the federal government cannot say what you can or cannot do.
They have handed the power to judge abortion rights back to the people"
Right. Let's clarify. You think taking the choice of whether to have an abortion away from the individuals affected and giving it to a bunch of completely unrelated parties is handing power "back to the people"?
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Aparently it's freedom. Americans have the freedom to choose their rulers, just not the freedom to decide for themselves
posted on 25/6/22
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
You do realize what I posted was the UK laws about legally accessing abortion?
All this furore about the US has brought our judgemental folks, especially everyone’s favorite Australian who loves commenting on America with zero context outside of what he reads online, who seem to think this kinda thing is unique to America.
There’s an irony in this whole decision. Obviously the topic is highly sensitive, but a lot of the people outraged by this are the same people who are also banging on about Jan 6th and how the republicans want to destroy democracy.
This judgement is actually the most democracy favoring judgement ever. The SCOTUS has literally ruled that the federal government cannot say what you can or cannot do.
They have handed the power to judge abortion rights back to the people. They have empowered the states to self govern.
If you want abortion vote for it, if you don’t vote against it. The hyperbole that the abortion is now banned is so ignorant and naive.
13 states will enact trigger laws, if you don’t like it, vote your state senate out. Elect officials who believe in pro choice.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Living in America has melted your brain.
posted on 25/6/22
comment by HEY, WE'RE BACK (U22866)
posted 35 minutes ago
fundamentalists from any background are dangerous and need outing, whether it’s Religious, Political etc
But agreed, Religion and it’s archaic, inhumane views has a lot to answer for in regards to many of the world’s problems today and throughout history
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And what about all the good it has done. Plus the solace and comfort to millions of people, now and in the past.
posted on 25/6/22
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by HEY, WE'RE BACK (U22866)
posted 35 minutes ago
fundamentalists from any background are dangerous and need outing, whether it’s Religious, Political etc
But agreed, Religion and it’s archaic, inhumane views has a lot to answer for in regards to many of the world’s problems today and throughout history
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And what about all the good it has done. Plus the solace and comfort to millions of people, now and in the past.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I suppose it depends on whether the good outweighs the bad, which is debatable. But I take your point, these things are seldom black and white.
I suppose a further consideration is how many wars etc that could be attributable to religion are actually caused by it. Here in NI, for example, it could have been seen as a religious war. But that's just because most Nationalists happen to be Catholics and mode Unionists Protestants. However, if you took religion out of it, I still think the Troubles would have happened as you had two peoples with separate cultural identities fighting over one piece of land.
The religious element may well have exacerbated things and made things starker in terms of 'them and us' (different churches, different schools etc) but I don't think that if religion was abolished, the question of national identity would have just disappeared. Although the rampant discrimination against Catholics in NI certainly didn't help things!
posted on 25/6/22
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 23 minutes ago
abortion as a form of birth control is v wrong imo
it's a modern evil
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Why do you care? What does other people's business have to do with you?
How does this affect your life?
Modern evil is shoving your beliefs down people's throats.
posted on 25/6/22
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 23 minutes ago
abortion as a form of birth control is v wrong imo
it's a modern evil
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Why do you care? What does other people's business have to do with you?
How does this affect your life?
Modern evil is shoving your beliefs down people's throats.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
the murder of unborn children for birth control is something we should all care about
posted on 25/6/22
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by HEY, WE'RE BACK (U22866)
posted 35 minutes ago
fundamentalists from any background are dangerous and need outing, whether it’s Religious, Political etc
But agreed, Religion and it’s archaic, inhumane views has a lot to answer for in regards to many of the world’s problems today and throughout history
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And what about all the good it has done. Plus the solace and comfort to millions of people, now and in the past.
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Religion should be a personal choice.
If it gives people comfort and makes people feel safe, great. Personally I'm not afraid to live in a universe with no God.
posted on 25/6/22
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 23 minutes ago
abortion as a form of birth control is v wrong imo
it's a modern evil
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Why do you care? What does other people's business have to do with you?
How does this affect your life?
Modern evil is shoving your beliefs down people's throats.
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the murder of unborn children for birth control is something we should all care about
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I agree. There should be free access to birth control.
posted on 25/6/22
It’s not fackimg murder ffs.
posted on 25/6/22
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by HEY, WE'RE BACK (U22866)
posted 35 minutes ago
fundamentalists from any background are dangerous and need outing, whether it’s Religious, Political etc
But agreed, Religion and it’s archaic, inhumane views has a lot to answer for in regards to many of the world’s problems today and throughout history
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And what about all the good it has done. Plus the solace and comfort to millions of people, now and in the past.
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I suppose it depends on whether the good outweighs the bad, which is debatable. But I take your point, these things are seldom black and white.
I suppose a further consideration is how many wars etc that could be attributable to religion are actually caused by it. Here in NI, for example, it could have been seen as a religious war. But that's just because most Nationalists happen to be Catholics and mode Unionists Protestants. However, if you took religion out of it, I still think the Troubles would have happened as you had two peoples with separate cultural identities fighting over one piece of land.
The religious element may well have exacerbated things and made things starker in terms of 'them and us' (different churches, different schools etc) but I don't think that if religion was abolished, the question of national identity would have just disappeared. Although the rampant discrimination against Catholics in NI certainly didn't help things!
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Aye, bit them uns started it😉
Kiddin 🤣
posted on 25/6/22
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by HEY, WE'RE BACK (U22866)
posted 35 minutes ago
fundamentalists from any background are dangerous and need outing, whether it’s Religious, Political etc
But agreed, Religion and it’s archaic, inhumane views has a lot to answer for in regards to many of the world’s problems today and throughout history
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And what about all the good it has done. Plus the solace and comfort to millions of people, now and in the past.
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I’m talking about ‘Religion’ as an orchestrated, man-made, power-driven, controlling institution - it’s there to dictate, control and manipulate the masses for good and bad - there’s a huge difference between that and the internal journey of faith being lived out world to do good For the world and none another
Religion of all types…has been responsible for more deaths and destruction in the world thank anything else
Religion is toxic and Fundamentalist Religion is the most dangerous of all IMO
posted on 25/6/22
comment by HEY, WE'RE BACK (U22866)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by HEY, WE'RE BACK (U22866)
posted 35 minutes ago
fundamentalists from any background are dangerous and need outing, whether it’s Religious, Political etc
But agreed, Religion and it’s archaic, inhumane views has a lot to answer for in regards to many of the world’s problems today and throughout history
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And what about all the good it has done. Plus the solace and comfort to millions of people, now and in the past.
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I’m talking about ‘Religion’ as an orchestrated, man-made, power-driven, controlling institution - it’s there to dictate, control and manipulate the masses for good and bad - there’s a huge difference between that and the internal journey of faith being lived out world to do good For the world and none another
Religion of all types…has been responsible for more deaths and destruction in the world thank anything else
Religion is toxic and Fundamentalist Religion is the most dangerous of all IMO
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I believe in God and try to live a good life, with a personal faith, and attend a wee church most Sundays, but organised religion and it's fundamentalist factions are shameful very often, and church, chapel, mosque or synogogue preach hate and division way too often, while covering up sins of the father's.
posted on 25/6/22
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 2 hours, 59 minutes ago
One thing I have found interesting in this debate is the female claims that this is a denial of the rights and equality.
On the one hand I understand they have to carry and birth the child.
But I have pondered, that a child is not the result of one person. “It takes two to tango”
Is it equality if the Father doesn’t want the child but the mother does and keeps the child then she’s for child support?
Is it equality if the father wants the child and the mother aborts it?
It’s a highly flammable view I know but I feel like, outside of rape or ince$t, surely aborting a child should be an agreed decision by both parties?
For the record this view has nothing to do with the ruling but I just feel there’s a bit of non-equality in what women seem most upset about here.
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Children are not aborted.
Embryos and foetuses are aborted.
posted on 25/6/22
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 23 minutes ago
abortion as a form of birth control is v wrong imo
it's a modern evil
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Why do you care? What does other people's business have to do with you?
How does this affect your life?
Modern evil is shoving your beliefs down people's throats.
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the murder of unborn children for birth control is something we should all care about
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Is it murder? Is it deleloped enough at that point, I’m not so sure.
posted on 25/6/22
No issue with abortion, religion influencing politics though is a facking travesty. The Republican Party are evil,
posted on 25/6/22
It’s pretty difficult to avoid religion influencing politics.
posted on 25/6/22
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 2 hours, 59 minutes ago
One thing I have found interesting in this debate is the female claims that this is a denial of the rights and equality.
On the one hand I understand they have to carry and birth the child.
But I have pondered, that a child is not the result of one person. “It takes two to tango”
Is it equality if the Father doesn’t want the child but the mother does and keeps the child then she’s for child support?
Is it equality if the father wants the child and the mother aborts it?
It’s a highly flammable view I know but I feel like, outside of rape or ince$t, surely aborting a child should be an agreed decision by both parties?
For the record this view has nothing to do with the ruling but I just feel there’s a bit of non-equality in what women seem most upset about here.
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Children are not aborted.
Embryos and foetuses are aborted.
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at what point does an unborn child gain human rights then ?
3 months after conception? 6 months ?
or only after the child is born
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