People won’t care if that’s a consequence of it, though. As long as they have the legal authority over women’s bodies that’s good enough.
Is a properly dun medical bortion in a regulated clinic less likely too b traumstic 4 the feetuss than a coat hanger n liter of limoncello in back of a cigaret store?
US does not have free child cate or even bearly subsidized
Poverty rates n child neglecked will soar in states that resricked bortion
Happy I live in a sensibull state surroun by uther sensibul states
That’s what is so messed up about these ‘pro life’ campaigners. Most don’t give a fack about said life once it’s born.
We pay lotsa tax in this country yet many people dont want there taxes 2b used 2 provide assistance n benefits 4em
Is amazing
Sounds too much like communism.
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 8 hours, 27 minutes ago
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 5 hours, 17 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 39 minutes ago
That’s way too much. It’s not an easy debate of course and I think that too many abortions take place in place of using contraception. But women’s ability to control their reproduction has been one of the best, if not the best, developments for women in the last 60/70 years or so and that includes abortion. People should have the choice ultimately imo.
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Way too much?
All a woman has to say is, the thought of being pregnant is making me suicidal doctor, and they will be able to get an abortion.
These new laws won't prevent any babies being aborted.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You’re right. They won’t prevent any babies being aborted.
They will, however, prevent about 60,000 embryos and foetuses from being aborted, every year, according to experts on both sides of the debate.
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When do embryos an foetuses become babies? When they have eyes, ears? A brain?
How many weeks does it take for a fetus to become a baby?
How many weeks do you think someone should be allowed to abort up to?
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
That’s what is so messed up about these ‘pro life’ campaigners. Most don’t give a fack about said life once it’s born.
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The mum doesn't have to give a fack about said life when its born, do you know how big the queues are for people willing to adopt newly born babies.
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 8 hours, 27 minutes ago
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 5 hours, 17 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 39 minutes ago
That’s way too much. It’s not an easy debate of course and I think that too many abortions take place in place of using contraception. But women’s ability to control their reproduction has been one of the best, if not the best, developments for women in the last 60/70 years or so and that includes abortion. People should have the choice ultimately imo.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Way too much?
All a woman has to say is, the thought of being pregnant is making me suicidal doctor, and they will be able to get an abortion.
These new laws won't prevent any babies being aborted.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You’re right. They won’t prevent any babies being aborted.
They will, however, prevent about 60,000 embryos and foetuses from being aborted, every year, according to experts on both sides of the debate.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
When do embryos an foetuses become babies? When they have eyes, ears? A brain?
How many weeks does it take for a fetus to become a baby?
How many weeks do you think someone should be allowed to abort up to?
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When they are born.
24 weeks, as currently agreed by the medical community as the time when the foetus has more than a 50% chance of survival.
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
That’s what is so messed up about these ‘pro life’ campaigners. Most don’t give a fack about said life once it’s born.
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The mum doesn't have to give a fack about said life when its born, do you know how big the queues are for people willing to adopt newly born babies.
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Well considering, as of March 2020, there were 80,000 children in care in England then the queues of people looking to adopt can't be that big.
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
That’s what is so messed up about these ‘pro life’ campaigners. Most don’t give a fack about said life once it’s born.
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The mum doesn't have to give a fack about said life when its born, do you know how big the queues are for people willing to adopt newly born babies.
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And yet people want to force more mothers to become like that. 🤷
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 5 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
You do realize what I posted was the UK laws about legally accessing abortion?
All this furore about the US has brought our judgemental folks, especially everyone’s favorite Australian who loves commenting on America with zero context outside of what he reads online, who seem to think this kinda thing is unique to America.
There’s an irony in this whole decision. Obviously the topic is highly sensitive, but a lot of the people outraged by this are the same people who are also banging on about Jan 6th and how the republicans want to destroy democracy.
This judgement is actually the most democracy favoring judgement ever. The SCOTUS has literally ruled that the federal government cannot say what you can or cannot do.
They have handed the power to judge abortion rights back to the people. They have empowered the states to self govern.
If you want abortion vote for it, if you don’t vote against it. The hyperbole that the abortion is now banned is so ignorant and naive.
13 states will enact trigger laws, if you don’t like it, vote your state senate out. Elect officials who believe in pro choice.
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"This judgement is actually the most democracy favoring judgement ever. The SCOTUS has literally ruled that the federal government cannot say what you can or cannot do.
They have handed the power to judge abortion rights back to the people"
Right. Let's clarify. You think taking the choice of whether to have an abortion away from the individuals affected and giving it to a bunch of completely unrelated parties is handing power "back to the people"?
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You realize that in the UK the right to abortion is not a guarantee and is controlled by the government too right?
The House of Commons could easily vote to scrap it and there wouldn’t be a damn thing any woman in the UK could do about it?
What is with this elitist view that america has suddenly become the only western country to do this?
All yesterday did was put abortion back in the hands of politicians just like it is currently today in the UK?
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 5 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
You do realize what I posted was the UK laws about legally accessing abortion?
All this furore about the US has brought our judgemental folks, especially everyone’s favorite Australian who loves commenting on America with zero context outside of what he reads online, who seem to think this kinda thing is unique to America.
There’s an irony in this whole decision. Obviously the topic is highly sensitive, but a lot of the people outraged by this are the same people who are also banging on about Jan 6th and how the republicans want to destroy democracy.
This judgement is actually the most democracy favoring judgement ever. The SCOTUS has literally ruled that the federal government cannot say what you can or cannot do.
They have handed the power to judge abortion rights back to the people. They have empowered the states to self govern.
If you want abortion vote for it, if you don’t vote against it. The hyperbole that the abortion is now banned is so ignorant and naive.
13 states will enact trigger laws, if you don’t like it, vote your state senate out. Elect officials who believe in pro choice.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"This judgement is actually the most democracy favoring judgement ever. The SCOTUS has literally ruled that the federal government cannot say what you can or cannot do.
They have handed the power to judge abortion rights back to the people"
Right. Let's clarify. You think taking the choice of whether to have an abortion away from the individuals affected and giving it to a bunch of completely unrelated parties is handing power "back to the people"?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You realize that in the UK the right to abortion is not a guarantee and is controlled by the government too right?
The House of Commons could easily vote to scrap it and there wouldn’t be a damn thing any woman in the UK could do about it?
What is with this elitist view that america has suddenly become the only western country to do this?
All yesterday did was put abortion back in the hands of politicians just like it is currently today in the UK?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Wow holy fvk. Not long ago you were spouting off about how it would put the decision in the hands of the people. is that your final answer?
This judgement is actually the most democracy favoring judgement ever.
———
This is still my favourite bit.
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 5 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
You do realize what I posted was the UK laws about legally accessing abortion?
All this furore about the US has brought our judgemental folks, especially everyone’s favorite Australian who loves commenting on America with zero context outside of what he reads online, who seem to think this kinda thing is unique to America.
There’s an irony in this whole decision. Obviously the topic is highly sensitive, but a lot of the people outraged by this are the same people who are also banging on about Jan 6th and how the republicans want to destroy democracy.
This judgement is actually the most democracy favoring judgement ever. The SCOTUS has literally ruled that the federal government cannot say what you can or cannot do.
They have handed the power to judge abortion rights back to the people. They have empowered the states to self govern.
If you want abortion vote for it, if you don’t vote against it. The hyperbole that the abortion is now banned is so ignorant and naive.
13 states will enact trigger laws, if you don’t like it, vote your state senate out. Elect officials who believe in pro choice.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"This judgement is actually the most democracy favoring judgement ever. The SCOTUS has literally ruled that the federal government cannot say what you can or cannot do.
They have handed the power to judge abortion rights back to the people"
Right. Let's clarify. You think taking the choice of whether to have an abortion away from the individuals affected and giving it to a bunch of completely unrelated parties is handing power "back to the people"?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You realize that in the UK the right to abortion is not a guarantee and is controlled by the government too right?
The House of Commons could easily vote to scrap it and there wouldn’t be a damn thing any woman in the UK could do about it?
What is with this elitist view that america has suddenly become the only western country to do this?
All yesterday did was put abortion back in the hands of politicians just like it is currently today in the UK?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Elitist?
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 11 minutes ago
This judgement is actually the most democracy favoring judgement ever.
———
This is still my favourite bit.
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Why because it’s true?
Whether you are pro life or pro choice previously you actually had no say. The federal government made the choice.
Now you can vote on abortion. Being able to vote on things you like or against things you don’t is democracy.
Or is that hard to get into your thick skull?
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 5 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
You do realize what I posted was the UK laws about legally accessing abortion?
All this furore about the US has brought our judgemental folks, especially everyone’s favorite Australian who loves commenting on America with zero context outside of what he reads online, who seem to think this kinda thing is unique to America.
There’s an irony in this whole decision. Obviously the topic is highly sensitive, but a lot of the people outraged by this are the same people who are also banging on about Jan 6th and how the republicans want to destroy democracy.
This judgement is actually the most democracy favoring judgement ever. The SCOTUS has literally ruled that the federal government cannot say what you can or cannot do.
They have handed the power to judge abortion rights back to the people. They have empowered the states to self govern.
If you want abortion vote for it, if you don’t vote against it. The hyperbole that the abortion is now banned is so ignorant and naive.
13 states will enact trigger laws, if you don’t like it, vote your state senate out. Elect officials who believe in pro choice.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"This judgement is actually the most democracy favoring judgement ever. The SCOTUS has literally ruled that the federal government cannot say what you can or cannot do.
They have handed the power to judge abortion rights back to the people"
Right. Let's clarify. You think taking the choice of whether to have an abortion away from the individuals affected and giving it to a bunch of completely unrelated parties is handing power "back to the people"?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You realize that in the UK the right to abortion is not a guarantee and is controlled by the government too right?
The House of Commons could easily vote to scrap it and there wouldn’t be a damn thing any woman in the UK could do about it?
What is with this elitist view that america has suddenly become the only western country to do this?
All yesterday did was put abortion back in the hands of politicians just like it is currently today in the UK?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Wow holy fvk. Not long ago you were spouting off about how it would put the decision in the hands of the people.is that your final answer?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Are you also special?
Before it was overturned the people had no say, pro life or pro choice.
Now the state governments can enact laws, repeal them, amend them, whatever.
Who puts people into state government? The people of that state.
So yes over turning roe v wade has now put the power back in the hands of the people. If they want their state to be pro choice it’s pretty simple, vote for politicians who support that.
I love it when you double down and make yourself look even more reeetarded.
Double down on saying now the people have the ability to vote on abortion rather than it be prescribed to them by federal government?
Saying that is democracy?
Yeah, it’s me that’s the reeetard…
“People having ability to vote on things is democratic”
What an idiotic statement I just made
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 8 hours, 27 minutes ago
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 5 hours, 17 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 39 minutes ago
That’s way too much. It’s not an easy debate of course and I think that too many abortions take place in place of using contraception. But women’s ability to control their reproduction has been one of the best, if not the best, developments for women in the last 60/70 years or so and that includes abortion. People should have the choice ultimately imo.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Way too much?
All a woman has to say is, the thought of being pregnant is making me suicidal doctor, and they will be able to get an abortion.
These new laws won't prevent any babies being aborted.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You’re right. They won’t prevent any babies being aborted.
They will, however, prevent about 60,000 embryos and foetuses from being aborted, every year, according to experts on both sides of the debate.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
When do embryos an foetuses become babies? When they have eyes, ears? A brain?
How many weeks does it take for a fetus to become a baby?
How many weeks do you think someone should be allowed to abort up to?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
When they are born.
24 weeks, as currently agreed by the medical community as the time when the foetus has more than a 50% chance of survival.
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So a foetus only becomes a baby when it is born? So would you be happy with abortions up to 40 weeks?
Or is your cutoff 24 weeks, because of 50 percent survival? So if somebody got a disease and only had 50 percent chance of survival, should they be murdered?
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
That’s what is so messed up about these ‘pro life’ campaigners. Most don’t give a fack about said life once it’s born.
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The mum doesn't have to give a fack about said life when its born, do you know how big the queues are for people willing to adopt newly born babies.
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And yet people want to force more mothers to become like that. 🤷
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To become like what?
If its the choice between a baby/foetus being killed, or an upset mum and a baby being adopted at birth, il vote for the latter.
You are saying that the decision to remove the civil rights if an entire demographic is the most democracy favouring decision ever.
Of course it’s facking reeetarded.
Why are so many in favour of killing the unborn at will?
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 5 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
You do realize what I posted was the UK laws about legally accessing abortion?
All this furore about the US has brought our judgemental folks, especially everyone’s favorite Australian who loves commenting on America with zero context outside of what he reads online, who seem to think this kinda thing is unique to America.
There’s an irony in this whole decision. Obviously the topic is highly sensitive, but a lot of the people outraged by this are the same people who are also banging on about Jan 6th and how the republicans want to destroy democracy.
This judgement is actually the most democracy favoring judgement ever. The SCOTUS has literally ruled that the federal government cannot say what you can or cannot do.
They have handed the power to judge abortion rights back to the people. They have empowered the states to self govern.
If you want abortion vote for it, if you don’t vote against it. The hyperbole that the abortion is now banned is so ignorant and naive.
13 states will enact trigger laws, if you don’t like it, vote your state senate out. Elect officials who believe in pro choice.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"This judgement is actually the most democracy favoring judgement ever. The SCOTUS has literally ruled that the federal government cannot say what you can or cannot do.
They have handed the power to judge abortion rights back to the people"
Right. Let's clarify. You think taking the choice of whether to have an abortion away from the individuals affected and giving it to a bunch of completely unrelated parties is handing power "back to the people"?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You realize that in the UK the right to abortion is not a guarantee and is controlled by the government too right?
The House of Commons could easily vote to scrap it and there wouldn’t be a damn thing any woman in the UK could do about it?
What is with this elitist view that america has suddenly become the only western country to do this?
All yesterday did was put abortion back in the hands of politicians just like it is currently today in the UK?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Wow holy fvk. Not long ago you were spouting off about how it would put the decision in the hands of the people.is that your final answer?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Are you also special?
Before it was overturned the people had no say, pro life or pro choice.
Now the state governments can enact laws, repeal them, amend them, whatever.
Who puts people into state government? The people of that state.
So yes over turning roe v wade has now put the power back in the hands of the people. If they want their state to be pro choice it’s pretty simple, vote for politicians who support that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Before the SC decision, people had, enshrined in law, a right to choose what to do with their own bodies.
Now they don’t.
That isn’t “putting power back in the hands of people”.
And the most democratic thing the SC could have done, given that it is an inherently entirely undemocratic institution, is petitioned to change the Constitution to have itself disbanded.
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 17 minutes ago
You are saying that the decision to remove the civil rights if an entire demographic is the most democracy favouring decision ever.
Of course it’s facking reeetarded.
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No it’s not. You just perceive it that way because you don’t like it, while also clearly not actually knowing a thing about the US political institution.
The Supreme courts sole job is review, uphold or overturn laws enacted by states if they do or don’t comply with the national constitution.
It’s not about whether you like or dislike the law, it’s a binary fact.
If you actually read their ruling yesterday it’s a statement of fact that Roe vs Wade was a bad judgement. It is not supported by the constitution and the US federal government has no right to tell anyone what to do with their own bodies in regards to abortion.
States are free to make their own laws because the right is not guaranteed in the constitution.
You don’t have to like the fact but it is a fact.
So now people have to vote in officials at a state level that agree with their views.
A pro lifer would tell you it wasn’t democratic that they had no say in the matter. A pro choice person will tel you they just lost a right.
Both now have a chance to make their voices heard at a state level to ensure they get the outcome they want. Just like every other laws that states have that are not constitutionally protected.
Throwing big fits and threatening to harass, intimidate and attack SCOTUS judges by the way is the most hypocritical thing the left has done in some time.
When the right wing nut jobs didn’t like the election, and protested and tried to overrule that judgement it was an insurrection against democracy and a US institution.
Now the left is threatening to do the same thing just because they too, don’t like the outcome of a certain institutions ruling.
Can’t have it both ways
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posted on 25/6/22
People won’t care if that’s a consequence of it, though. As long as they have the legal authority over women’s bodies that’s good enough.
posted on 25/6/22
Is a properly dun medical bortion in a regulated clinic less likely too b traumstic 4 the feetuss than a coat hanger n liter of limoncello in back of a cigaret store?
posted on 25/6/22
US does not have free child cate or even bearly subsidized
Poverty rates n child neglecked will soar in states that resricked bortion
Happy I live in a sensibull state surroun by uther sensibul states
posted on 25/6/22
That’s what is so messed up about these ‘pro life’ campaigners. Most don’t give a fack about said life once it’s born.
posted on 25/6/22
We pay lotsa tax in this country yet many people dont want there taxes 2b used 2 provide assistance n benefits 4em
Is amazing
posted on 25/6/22
Sounds too much like communism.
posted on 25/6/22
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 8 hours, 27 minutes ago
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 5 hours, 17 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 39 minutes ago
That’s way too much. It’s not an easy debate of course and I think that too many abortions take place in place of using contraception. But women’s ability to control their reproduction has been one of the best, if not the best, developments for women in the last 60/70 years or so and that includes abortion. People should have the choice ultimately imo.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Way too much?
All a woman has to say is, the thought of being pregnant is making me suicidal doctor, and they will be able to get an abortion.
These new laws won't prevent any babies being aborted.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You’re right. They won’t prevent any babies being aborted.
They will, however, prevent about 60,000 embryos and foetuses from being aborted, every year, according to experts on both sides of the debate.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
When do embryos an foetuses become babies? When they have eyes, ears? A brain?
How many weeks does it take for a fetus to become a baby?
How many weeks do you think someone should be allowed to abort up to?
posted on 25/6/22
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
That’s what is so messed up about these ‘pro life’ campaigners. Most don’t give a fack about said life once it’s born.
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The mum doesn't have to give a fack about said life when its born, do you know how big the queues are for people willing to adopt newly born babies.
posted on 25/6/22
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 8 hours, 27 minutes ago
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 5 hours, 17 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 39 minutes ago
That’s way too much. It’s not an easy debate of course and I think that too many abortions take place in place of using contraception. But women’s ability to control their reproduction has been one of the best, if not the best, developments for women in the last 60/70 years or so and that includes abortion. People should have the choice ultimately imo.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Way too much?
All a woman has to say is, the thought of being pregnant is making me suicidal doctor, and they will be able to get an abortion.
These new laws won't prevent any babies being aborted.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You’re right. They won’t prevent any babies being aborted.
They will, however, prevent about 60,000 embryos and foetuses from being aborted, every year, according to experts on both sides of the debate.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
When do embryos an foetuses become babies? When they have eyes, ears? A brain?
How many weeks does it take for a fetus to become a baby?
How many weeks do you think someone should be allowed to abort up to?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
When they are born.
24 weeks, as currently agreed by the medical community as the time when the foetus has more than a 50% chance of survival.
posted on 25/6/22
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
That’s what is so messed up about these ‘pro life’ campaigners. Most don’t give a fack about said life once it’s born.
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The mum doesn't have to give a fack about said life when its born, do you know how big the queues are for people willing to adopt newly born babies.
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Well considering, as of March 2020, there were 80,000 children in care in England then the queues of people looking to adopt can't be that big.
posted on 25/6/22
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
That’s what is so messed up about these ‘pro life’ campaigners. Most don’t give a fack about said life once it’s born.
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The mum doesn't have to give a fack about said life when its born, do you know how big the queues are for people willing to adopt newly born babies.
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And yet people want to force more mothers to become like that. 🤷
posted on 25/6/22
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 5 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
You do realize what I posted was the UK laws about legally accessing abortion?
All this furore about the US has brought our judgemental folks, especially everyone’s favorite Australian who loves commenting on America with zero context outside of what he reads online, who seem to think this kinda thing is unique to America.
There’s an irony in this whole decision. Obviously the topic is highly sensitive, but a lot of the people outraged by this are the same people who are also banging on about Jan 6th and how the republicans want to destroy democracy.
This judgement is actually the most democracy favoring judgement ever. The SCOTUS has literally ruled that the federal government cannot say what you can or cannot do.
They have handed the power to judge abortion rights back to the people. They have empowered the states to self govern.
If you want abortion vote for it, if you don’t vote against it. The hyperbole that the abortion is now banned is so ignorant and naive.
13 states will enact trigger laws, if you don’t like it, vote your state senate out. Elect officials who believe in pro choice.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"This judgement is actually the most democracy favoring judgement ever. The SCOTUS has literally ruled that the federal government cannot say what you can or cannot do.
They have handed the power to judge abortion rights back to the people"
Right. Let's clarify. You think taking the choice of whether to have an abortion away from the individuals affected and giving it to a bunch of completely unrelated parties is handing power "back to the people"?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You realize that in the UK the right to abortion is not a guarantee and is controlled by the government too right?
The House of Commons could easily vote to scrap it and there wouldn’t be a damn thing any woman in the UK could do about it?
What is with this elitist view that america has suddenly become the only western country to do this?
All yesterday did was put abortion back in the hands of politicians just like it is currently today in the UK?
posted on 25/6/22
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 5 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
You do realize what I posted was the UK laws about legally accessing abortion?
All this furore about the US has brought our judgemental folks, especially everyone’s favorite Australian who loves commenting on America with zero context outside of what he reads online, who seem to think this kinda thing is unique to America.
There’s an irony in this whole decision. Obviously the topic is highly sensitive, but a lot of the people outraged by this are the same people who are also banging on about Jan 6th and how the republicans want to destroy democracy.
This judgement is actually the most democracy favoring judgement ever. The SCOTUS has literally ruled that the federal government cannot say what you can or cannot do.
They have handed the power to judge abortion rights back to the people. They have empowered the states to self govern.
If you want abortion vote for it, if you don’t vote against it. The hyperbole that the abortion is now banned is so ignorant and naive.
13 states will enact trigger laws, if you don’t like it, vote your state senate out. Elect officials who believe in pro choice.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"This judgement is actually the most democracy favoring judgement ever. The SCOTUS has literally ruled that the federal government cannot say what you can or cannot do.
They have handed the power to judge abortion rights back to the people"
Right. Let's clarify. You think taking the choice of whether to have an abortion away from the individuals affected and giving it to a bunch of completely unrelated parties is handing power "back to the people"?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You realize that in the UK the right to abortion is not a guarantee and is controlled by the government too right?
The House of Commons could easily vote to scrap it and there wouldn’t be a damn thing any woman in the UK could do about it?
What is with this elitist view that america has suddenly become the only western country to do this?
All yesterday did was put abortion back in the hands of politicians just like it is currently today in the UK?
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Wow holy fvk. Not long ago you were spouting off about how it would put the decision in the hands of the people. is that your final answer?
posted on 25/6/22
This judgement is actually the most democracy favoring judgement ever.
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This is still my favourite bit.
posted on 25/6/22
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 5 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
You do realize what I posted was the UK laws about legally accessing abortion?
All this furore about the US has brought our judgemental folks, especially everyone’s favorite Australian who loves commenting on America with zero context outside of what he reads online, who seem to think this kinda thing is unique to America.
There’s an irony in this whole decision. Obviously the topic is highly sensitive, but a lot of the people outraged by this are the same people who are also banging on about Jan 6th and how the republicans want to destroy democracy.
This judgement is actually the most democracy favoring judgement ever. The SCOTUS has literally ruled that the federal government cannot say what you can or cannot do.
They have handed the power to judge abortion rights back to the people. They have empowered the states to self govern.
If you want abortion vote for it, if you don’t vote against it. The hyperbole that the abortion is now banned is so ignorant and naive.
13 states will enact trigger laws, if you don’t like it, vote your state senate out. Elect officials who believe in pro choice.
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"This judgement is actually the most democracy favoring judgement ever. The SCOTUS has literally ruled that the federal government cannot say what you can or cannot do.
They have handed the power to judge abortion rights back to the people"
Right. Let's clarify. You think taking the choice of whether to have an abortion away from the individuals affected and giving it to a bunch of completely unrelated parties is handing power "back to the people"?
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You realize that in the UK the right to abortion is not a guarantee and is controlled by the government too right?
The House of Commons could easily vote to scrap it and there wouldn’t be a damn thing any woman in the UK could do about it?
What is with this elitist view that america has suddenly become the only western country to do this?
All yesterday did was put abortion back in the hands of politicians just like it is currently today in the UK?
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Elitist?
posted on 25/6/22
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 11 minutes ago
This judgement is actually the most democracy favoring judgement ever.
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This is still my favourite bit.
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Why because it’s true?
Whether you are pro life or pro choice previously you actually had no say. The federal government made the choice.
Now you can vote on abortion. Being able to vote on things you like or against things you don’t is democracy.
Or is that hard to get into your thick skull?
posted on 25/6/22
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 5 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
You do realize what I posted was the UK laws about legally accessing abortion?
All this furore about the US has brought our judgemental folks, especially everyone’s favorite Australian who loves commenting on America with zero context outside of what he reads online, who seem to think this kinda thing is unique to America.
There’s an irony in this whole decision. Obviously the topic is highly sensitive, but a lot of the people outraged by this are the same people who are also banging on about Jan 6th and how the republicans want to destroy democracy.
This judgement is actually the most democracy favoring judgement ever. The SCOTUS has literally ruled that the federal government cannot say what you can or cannot do.
They have handed the power to judge abortion rights back to the people. They have empowered the states to self govern.
If you want abortion vote for it, if you don’t vote against it. The hyperbole that the abortion is now banned is so ignorant and naive.
13 states will enact trigger laws, if you don’t like it, vote your state senate out. Elect officials who believe in pro choice.
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"This judgement is actually the most democracy favoring judgement ever. The SCOTUS has literally ruled that the federal government cannot say what you can or cannot do.
They have handed the power to judge abortion rights back to the people"
Right. Let's clarify. You think taking the choice of whether to have an abortion away from the individuals affected and giving it to a bunch of completely unrelated parties is handing power "back to the people"?
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You realize that in the UK the right to abortion is not a guarantee and is controlled by the government too right?
The House of Commons could easily vote to scrap it and there wouldn’t be a damn thing any woman in the UK could do about it?
What is with this elitist view that america has suddenly become the only western country to do this?
All yesterday did was put abortion back in the hands of politicians just like it is currently today in the UK?
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Wow holy fvk. Not long ago you were spouting off about how it would put the decision in the hands of the people.is that your final answer?
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Are you also special?
Before it was overturned the people had no say, pro life or pro choice.
Now the state governments can enact laws, repeal them, amend them, whatever.
Who puts people into state government? The people of that state.
So yes over turning roe v wade has now put the power back in the hands of the people. If they want their state to be pro choice it’s pretty simple, vote for politicians who support that.
posted on 25/6/22
I love it when you double down and make yourself look even more reeetarded.
posted on 25/6/22
Double down on saying now the people have the ability to vote on abortion rather than it be prescribed to them by federal government?
Saying that is democracy?
Yeah, it’s me that’s the reeetard…
“People having ability to vote on things is democratic”
What an idiotic statement I just made
posted on 25/6/22
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 8 hours, 27 minutes ago
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 5 hours, 17 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 39 minutes ago
That’s way too much. It’s not an easy debate of course and I think that too many abortions take place in place of using contraception. But women’s ability to control their reproduction has been one of the best, if not the best, developments for women in the last 60/70 years or so and that includes abortion. People should have the choice ultimately imo.
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Way too much?
All a woman has to say is, the thought of being pregnant is making me suicidal doctor, and they will be able to get an abortion.
These new laws won't prevent any babies being aborted.
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You’re right. They won’t prevent any babies being aborted.
They will, however, prevent about 60,000 embryos and foetuses from being aborted, every year, according to experts on both sides of the debate.
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When do embryos an foetuses become babies? When they have eyes, ears? A brain?
How many weeks does it take for a fetus to become a baby?
How many weeks do you think someone should be allowed to abort up to?
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When they are born.
24 weeks, as currently agreed by the medical community as the time when the foetus has more than a 50% chance of survival.
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So a foetus only becomes a baby when it is born? So would you be happy with abortions up to 40 weeks?
Or is your cutoff 24 weeks, because of 50 percent survival? So if somebody got a disease and only had 50 percent chance of survival, should they be murdered?
posted on 25/6/22
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
That’s what is so messed up about these ‘pro life’ campaigners. Most don’t give a fack about said life once it’s born.
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The mum doesn't have to give a fack about said life when its born, do you know how big the queues are for people willing to adopt newly born babies.
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And yet people want to force more mothers to become like that. 🤷
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To become like what?
If its the choice between a baby/foetus being killed, or an upset mum and a baby being adopted at birth, il vote for the latter.
posted on 25/6/22
You are saying that the decision to remove the civil rights if an entire demographic is the most democracy favouring decision ever.
Of course it’s facking reeetarded.
posted on 25/6/22
Why are so many in favour of killing the unborn at will?
posted on 25/6/22
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 5 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by Dwight K Schrute (U22590)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
You do realize what I posted was the UK laws about legally accessing abortion?
All this furore about the US has brought our judgemental folks, especially everyone’s favorite Australian who loves commenting on America with zero context outside of what he reads online, who seem to think this kinda thing is unique to America.
There’s an irony in this whole decision. Obviously the topic is highly sensitive, but a lot of the people outraged by this are the same people who are also banging on about Jan 6th and how the republicans want to destroy democracy.
This judgement is actually the most democracy favoring judgement ever. The SCOTUS has literally ruled that the federal government cannot say what you can or cannot do.
They have handed the power to judge abortion rights back to the people. They have empowered the states to self govern.
If you want abortion vote for it, if you don’t vote against it. The hyperbole that the abortion is now banned is so ignorant and naive.
13 states will enact trigger laws, if you don’t like it, vote your state senate out. Elect officials who believe in pro choice.
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"This judgement is actually the most democracy favoring judgement ever. The SCOTUS has literally ruled that the federal government cannot say what you can or cannot do.
They have handed the power to judge abortion rights back to the people"
Right. Let's clarify. You think taking the choice of whether to have an abortion away from the individuals affected and giving it to a bunch of completely unrelated parties is handing power "back to the people"?
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You realize that in the UK the right to abortion is not a guarantee and is controlled by the government too right?
The House of Commons could easily vote to scrap it and there wouldn’t be a damn thing any woman in the UK could do about it?
What is with this elitist view that america has suddenly become the only western country to do this?
All yesterday did was put abortion back in the hands of politicians just like it is currently today in the UK?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Wow holy fvk. Not long ago you were spouting off about how it would put the decision in the hands of the people.is that your final answer?
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Are you also special?
Before it was overturned the people had no say, pro life or pro choice.
Now the state governments can enact laws, repeal them, amend them, whatever.
Who puts people into state government? The people of that state.
So yes over turning roe v wade has now put the power back in the hands of the people. If they want their state to be pro choice it’s pretty simple, vote for politicians who support that.
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Before the SC decision, people had, enshrined in law, a right to choose what to do with their own bodies.
Now they don’t.
That isn’t “putting power back in the hands of people”.
And the most democratic thing the SC could have done, given that it is an inherently entirely undemocratic institution, is petitioned to change the Constitution to have itself disbanded.
posted on 25/6/22
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 17 minutes ago
You are saying that the decision to remove the civil rights if an entire demographic is the most democracy favouring decision ever.
Of course it’s facking reeetarded.
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No it’s not. You just perceive it that way because you don’t like it, while also clearly not actually knowing a thing about the US political institution.
The Supreme courts sole job is review, uphold or overturn laws enacted by states if they do or don’t comply with the national constitution.
It’s not about whether you like or dislike the law, it’s a binary fact.
If you actually read their ruling yesterday it’s a statement of fact that Roe vs Wade was a bad judgement. It is not supported by the constitution and the US federal government has no right to tell anyone what to do with their own bodies in regards to abortion.
States are free to make their own laws because the right is not guaranteed in the constitution.
You don’t have to like the fact but it is a fact.
So now people have to vote in officials at a state level that agree with their views.
A pro lifer would tell you it wasn’t democratic that they had no say in the matter. A pro choice person will tel you they just lost a right.
Both now have a chance to make their voices heard at a state level to ensure they get the outcome they want. Just like every other laws that states have that are not constitutionally protected.
Throwing big fits and threatening to harass, intimidate and attack SCOTUS judges by the way is the most hypocritical thing the left has done in some time.
When the right wing nut jobs didn’t like the election, and protested and tried to overrule that judgement it was an insurrection against democracy and a US institution.
Now the left is threatening to do the same thing just because they too, don’t like the outcome of a certain institutions ruling.
Can’t have it both ways
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