comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Brian Easton (U1734)
posted 3 minutes ago
England's men are at the equilibrium that foreign investment in the PL has brought. They need to win something now before English players become even more of a bit part within the PL.
The top English teams have one or two good English players who currently have the benefit of playing with world class foreign players and being coached by world class foreign managers. Now is the time for them to reap all of these benefits.
Just a few years ago, the top players at the top clubs were English. You had Terry, Lampard, Gerrard, Rooney etc. Now you have whatever a Grealish is for £100m and an inanimate object in Maguire playing for Man Utd for £85m or whatever. All of the top players are foreign and English players just get squeezed in due to quotas.
Within a few years, English players will be playing an even lesser role at big clubs and even worse English players will be hyped up and bought for £150m due to quotas of English players needed (not due to their ability).
What is a Nathan Ake and why is it at Man City?
Whilst there is still a balance, and the PL is still vaguely sort of English, England need to win something.
There may come a point where money talks and there doesn't need to be English players in the PL anymore. Why would Saudis need Ben Mee in their team when they could have a world class foreign player?
Anyway, it does look like now or never for England.
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I'm not sure that's necessarily true as they've been banging that drum for decades now and we've got a young squad of truly talented players now in the England set up. If players are good enough, they'll come through, like Foden at City, for example.
Anyway, not sure what all this has to do with the women's game.
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I was going to say that England women winning it is more of an achievement as the men are currently benefiting from playing with world class players and being coaches by world class managers due to foreign money in the PL.
Yes, you mention Phil Foden, he is one decent player in a Man City team with players better than him. He is hardly De Bruyne. Sancho hardly getting a game for a mid table United side.
Maybe what works well for them at an international level is that they get on better because there is no rivalry between them at club level because they barely play and the club matches are now soulless anyway.
Lots of angry incels here
comment by joeymancityz. (U4783)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think its not unreasonable to gauge the popularity (or lack thereof) of this tournament by the amount of St Georges flags hanging from cars and houses during the tournament. Lat year I saw dozens upon dozens for the mans, this last few weeks none whatsoever.
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That's a good point and probably the most organic measure of popularity. Personally I can't stand the St George's flag on cars or hanging out of windows etc as it has National Front connotations but it is a sure fire way of measuring popularity. They can fill the stadium, draw people's attention to the viewing figures but like you say, where's the merchandise? There isn't any really.
comment by Brian Easton (U1734)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Brian Easton (U1734)
posted 3 minutes ago
England's men are at the equilibrium that foreign investment in the PL has brought. They need to win something now before English players become even more of a bit part within the PL.
The top English teams have one or two good English players who currently have the benefit of playing with world class foreign players and being coached by world class foreign managers. Now is the time for them to reap all of these benefits.
Just a few years ago, the top players at the top clubs were English. You had Terry, Lampard, Gerrard, Rooney etc. Now you have whatever a Grealish is for £100m and an inanimate object in Maguire playing for Man Utd for £85m or whatever. All of the top players are foreign and English players just get squeezed in due to quotas.
Within a few years, English players will be playing an even lesser role at big clubs and even worse English players will be hyped up and bought for £150m due to quotas of English players needed (not due to their ability).
What is a Nathan Ake and why is it at Man City?
Whilst there is still a balance, and the PL is still vaguely sort of English, England need to win something.
There may come a point where money talks and there doesn't need to be English players in the PL anymore. Why would Saudis need Ben Mee in their team when they could have a world class foreign player?
Anyway, it does look like now or never for England.
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I'm not sure that's necessarily true as they've been banging that drum for decades now and we've got a young squad of truly talented players now in the England set up. If players are good enough, they'll come through, like Foden at City, for example.
Anyway, not sure what all this has to do with the women's game.
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I was going to say that England women winning it is more of an achievement as the men are currently benefiting from playing with world class players and being coaches by world class managers due to foreign money in the PL.
Yes, you mention Phil Foden, he is one decent player in a Man City team with players better than him. He is hardly De Bruyne. Sancho hardly getting a game for a mid table United side.
Maybe what works well for them at an international level is that they get on better because there is no rivalry between them at club level because they barely play and the club matches are now soulless anyway.
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It's not more of an achievement as the England women are playing against equally poor teams. It's a level playing field. It has nothing to do with good coaching and more to do with fixture pile up, exhaustion and climate often standing in the England men's way.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Brian Easton (U1734)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Brian Easton (U1734)
posted 3 minutes ago
England's men are at the equilibrium that foreign investment in the PL has brought. They need to win something now before English players become even more of a bit part within the PL.
The top English teams have one or two good English players who currently have the benefit of playing with world class foreign players and being coached by world class foreign managers. Now is the time for them to reap all of these benefits.
Just a few years ago, the top players at the top clubs were English. You had Terry, Lampard, Gerrard, Rooney etc. Now you have whatever a Grealish is for £100m and an inanimate object in Maguire playing for Man Utd for £85m or whatever. All of the top players are foreign and English players just get squeezed in due to quotas.
Within a few years, English players will be playing an even lesser role at big clubs and even worse English players will be hyped up and bought for £150m due to quotas of English players needed (not due to their ability).
What is a Nathan Ake and why is it at Man City?
Whilst there is still a balance, and the PL is still vaguely sort of English, England need to win something.
There may come a point where money talks and there doesn't need to be English players in the PL anymore. Why would Saudis need Ben Mee in their team when they could have a world class foreign player?
Anyway, it does look like now or never for England.
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I'm not sure that's necessarily true as they've been banging that drum for decades now and we've got a young squad of truly talented players now in the England set up. If players are good enough, they'll come through, like Foden at City, for example.
Anyway, not sure what all this has to do with the women's game.
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I was going to say that England women winning it is more of an achievement as the men are currently benefiting from playing with world class players and being coaches by world class managers due to foreign money in the PL.
Yes, you mention Phil Foden, he is one decent player in a Man City team with players better than him. He is hardly De Bruyne. Sancho hardly getting a game for a mid table United side.
Maybe what works well for them at an international level is that they get on better because there is no rivalry between them at club level because they barely play and the club matches are now soulless anyway.
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It's not more of an achievement as the England women are playing against equally poor teams. It's a level playing field. It has nothing to do with good coaching and more to do with fixture pile up, exhaustion and climate often standing in the England men's way.
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The foreign players playing for foreign international teams literally play in the same teams and league as the English players. Why is it more of an issue for English players who don't even play many of the games? Also the climate thing is total nonsense. Is that the excuse for Qatar coming in? Going to be temperatures akin to a Scottish spring day.
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 8 minutes ago
Climate?
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Yes, there's a reason both the England men and women both made the final at home tournaments. Home support is massive obviously but the climate helps. Tournaments in South America or Asia are completely out for us as the players rarely play in 35 degree heat. That's held us back over the years as well as fixture pile up and no midwinter break, until now.
Also you are saying that players like Foden do not benefit from being coached by Guardiola? Learning from Silva and De Bruyne etc? They have absolutely everything in place that they need to develop into world class players.
Previously they would have been playing with and learning from Stephen Ireland and being coached by Mark Hughes.
Of course foreign investment in the PL has massively aided English players' development at the top level.
The gap in women's football is massive compared to the men's. Didn't the Lionesses beat one of the baltic states 20-0 away? And an 8-0 win in the group stage is rather ludicrous. Not a critisism, more an observation of where the women's game is currently
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 15 minutes ago
Now you may say these are the ramblings of a grumpy old man, but come on does anyone take women`s football seriously?
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Yes, girls who love football and are seeing it as a sport for them rather than a sport for boys. Girls who have role-models they can actually aspire to be rather than male players they can admire only.
I can only assume you don't have (given your purported age) grand-daughters interested in football. My niece is 7 and loves football, plays in her local team. These players are her heroes, there were tears of happiness when from her when they won.
Personally I'm all in favour of women's football. Why the hell shouldn't women be able to play the game we all love. And if the BBC or the general media hype it up a bit, great. Perhaps that'll offset the grumpy old men who seem keen to rain on the parade.
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I don`t have any Grandaughter`s mate. And even if I did, I think they would be doing better things than watching women kicking a ball around.
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Better things
Bottom line is sport should be available to all and should be seen as attainable to all. Women's football is growing in popularity all around the world and last night 87k people paid to watch the game with another 17m watching on TV. You're just a bit of a dinosaur.
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And exactly how many of them will turn up to watch the Women`s game when the so called new season kicks off? About 1 per cent. Most where there for an early evening out with their Mum`s and Dad`s eating popcorn, and will never in all probability set foot inside a football stadium again.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 8 minutes ago
Climate?
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Yes, there's a reason both the England men and women both made the final at home tournaments. Home support is massive obviously but the climate helps. Tournaments in South America or Asia are completely out for us as the players rarely play in 35 degree heat. That's held us back over the years as well as fixture pile up and no midwinter break, until now.
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It is winter in South Africa. It was one of the coolest world cups. It was winter in Brazil. Again one of the coolest world cups. Tournaments in England are hotter. 30 odd degrees in June/July in London.
Your argument is just completely and utterly incorrect.
comment by joeymancityz. (U4783)
posted 2 minutes ago
The gap in women's football is massive compared to the men's. Didn't the Lionesses beat one of the baltic states 20-0 away? And an 8-0 win in the group stage is rather ludicrous. Not a critisism, more an observation of where the women's game is currently
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Absolutely mate, big winning margins like that totally diminish the entire tournament. I remember watching a semi-final a few years ago that finished 7-1. Absolutely ruined the tournament for me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aE4BdIP6bvc
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
But to add to that, it's almost impossible to say all of this without appearing misogynistic. It's nothing of the sort. It's just simply not right to measure trophy success between men and women, nor top scorers between White and Rooney.
My biggest fear is that this will shunt men's football to the side in terms of coverage. Such is the hysteria surrounding this, how far away are we to a mixed MOTD? Having to sit through 10 of their games on a Saturday evening, meaning each game will have to be shorter to fit in the scheduling. Less time and less analysis per match. It's be like watching MOTD on an FA Cup third round weekend.
Then there's Sky rising the prices because they've got the WSL. I'm out if they do that. If they start integrating it into Super Sunday or MNF, I quit football. I'm done.
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Agree fridgeboy
comment by Brian Easton (U1734)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Brian Easton (U1734)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Brian Easton (U1734)
posted 3 minutes ago
England's men are at the equilibrium that foreign investment in the PL has brought. They need to win something now before English players become even more of a bit part within the PL.
The top English teams have one or two good English players who currently have the benefit of playing with world class foreign players and being coached by world class foreign managers. Now is the time for them to reap all of these benefits.
Just a few years ago, the top players at the top clubs were English. You had Terry, Lampard, Gerrard, Rooney etc. Now you have whatever a Grealish is for £100m and an inanimate object in Maguire playing for Man Utd for £85m or whatever. All of the top players are foreign and English players just get squeezed in due to quotas.
Within a few years, English players will be playing an even lesser role at big clubs and even worse English players will be hyped up and bought for £150m due to quotas of English players needed (not due to their ability).
What is a Nathan Ake and why is it at Man City?
Whilst there is still a balance, and the PL is still vaguely sort of English, England need to win something.
There may come a point where money talks and there doesn't need to be English players in the PL anymore. Why would Saudis need Ben Mee in their team when they could have a world class foreign player?
Anyway, it does look like now or never for England.
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I'm not sure that's necessarily true as they've been banging that drum for decades now and we've got a young squad of truly talented players now in the England set up. If players are good enough, they'll come through, like Foden at City, for example.
Anyway, not sure what all this has to do with the women's game.
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I was going to say that England women winning it is more of an achievement as the men are currently benefiting from playing with world class players and being coaches by world class managers due to foreign money in the PL.
Yes, you mention Phil Foden, he is one decent player in a Man City team with players better than him. He is hardly De Bruyne. Sancho hardly getting a game for a mid table United side.
Maybe what works well for them at an international level is that they get on better because there is no rivalry between them at club level because they barely play and the club matches are now soulless anyway.
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It's not more of an achievement as the England women are playing against equally poor teams. It's a level playing field. It has nothing to do with good coaching and more to do with fixture pile up, exhaustion and climate often standing in the England men's way.
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The foreign players playing for foreign international teams literally play in the same teams and league as the English players. Why is it more of an issue for English players who don't even play many of the games? Also the climate thing is total nonsense. Is that the excuse for Qatar coming in? Going to be temperatures akin to a Scottish spring day.
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It's simple. ALL of our players, bar 1 or 2, play in this country where the demands are a lot greater than anywhere else. Every game is hard whereas in Spain, Italy, Germany and Portugal, you'll face teams where you can take your foot off the gas a little. It's a physically and emotionally demanding league. That takes its toll. Whilst we might have 5 or 6 from the Spanish squad, most of them ply their trade in Spain. Likewise for Italy etc.
I'm not talking about upcoming tournaments, like Qatar, I'm talking about previous tournaments where we've failed. Japan and SK, Mexico, S Africa, Brazil. It's impossible to win a tournament like that if you have no experience of playing in stifling heat.
Absolutely mate, big winning margins like that totally diminish the entire tournament. I remember watching a semi-final a few years ago that finished 7-1. Absolutely ruined the tournament for me.
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That was a one off and not the norm
comment by joeymancityz. (U4783)
posted 7 minutes ago
The gap in women's football is massive compared to the men's. Didn't the Lionesses beat one of the baltic states 20-0 away? And an 8-0 win in the group stage is rather ludicrous. Not a critisism, more an observation of where the women's game is currently
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Rampant lesbianism.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Brian Easton (U1734)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Brian Easton (U1734)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Brian Easton (U1734)
posted 3 minutes ago
England's men are at the equilibrium that foreign investment in the PL has brought. They need to win something now before English players become even more of a bit part within the PL.
The top English teams have one or two good English players who currently have the benefit of playing with world class foreign players and being coached by world class foreign managers. Now is the time for them to reap all of these benefits.
Just a few years ago, the top players at the top clubs were English. You had Terry, Lampard, Gerrard, Rooney etc. Now you have whatever a Grealish is for £100m and an inanimate object in Maguire playing for Man Utd for £85m or whatever. All of the top players are foreign and English players just get squeezed in due to quotas.
Within a few years, English players will be playing an even lesser role at big clubs and even worse English players will be hyped up and bought for £150m due to quotas of English players needed (not due to their ability).
What is a Nathan Ake and why is it at Man City?
Whilst there is still a balance, and the PL is still vaguely sort of English, England need to win something.
There may come a point where money talks and there doesn't need to be English players in the PL anymore. Why would Saudis need Ben Mee in their team when they could have a world class foreign player?
Anyway, it does look like now or never for England.
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I'm not sure that's necessarily true as they've been banging that drum for decades now and we've got a young squad of truly talented players now in the England set up. If players are good enough, they'll come through, like Foden at City, for example.
Anyway, not sure what all this has to do with the women's game.
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I was going to say that England women winning it is more of an achievement as the men are currently benefiting from playing with world class players and being coaches by world class managers due to foreign money in the PL.
Yes, you mention Phil Foden, he is one decent player in a Man City team with players better than him. He is hardly De Bruyne. Sancho hardly getting a game for a mid table United side.
Maybe what works well for them at an international level is that they get on better because there is no rivalry between them at club level because they barely play and the club matches are now soulless anyway.
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It's not more of an achievement as the England women are playing against equally poor teams. It's a level playing field. It has nothing to do with good coaching and more to do with fixture pile up, exhaustion and climate often standing in the England men's way.
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The foreign players playing for foreign international teams literally play in the same teams and league as the English players. Why is it more of an issue for English players who don't even play many of the games? Also the climate thing is total nonsense. Is that the excuse for Qatar coming in? Going to be temperatures akin to a Scottish spring day.
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It's simple. ALL of our players, bar 1 or 2, play in this country where the demands are a lot greater than anywhere else. Every game is hard whereas in Spain, Italy, Germany and Portugal, you'll face teams where you can take your foot off the gas a little. It's a physically and emotionally demanding league. That takes its toll. Whilst we might have 5 or 6 from the Spanish squad, most of them ply their trade in Spain. Likewise for Italy etc.
I'm not talking about upcoming tournaments, like Qatar, I'm talking about previous tournaments where we've failed. Japan and SK, Mexico, S Africa, Brazil. It's impossible to win a tournament like that if you have no experience of playing in stifling heat.
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Almost everything you are saying is either incorrect or contradicting itself.
I love English exceptionalism.
"Every game is hard".
No, it really isn't. I mean, that late season spell where City won 3-0, 5-1, 4-0, 5-0 then 5-1 must have been really, really tough for them. You don't get tough matches like that in the other leagues, no sir.
I bet the women`s final would not have sold out if they were asking up to £100 a ticket. They practically gave the tickets away, there were so many kids there by the noise of the crowd I heard on the news this morning.
So they've won their own Euro's, good for them.
Stealing the 3 Lions song and banging on about the pain being over for the first time since 1966, doing my head in, who the feck do they think they are?
We've had to go through pain every 2 years since 1966, they come along having being more bothered about shopping and spa weekends for the last god knows how many years and think it's all over now! They can feck off.
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 29 seconds ago
I bet the women`s final would not have sold out if they were asking up to £100 a ticket. They practically gave the tickets away, there were so many kids there by the noise of the crowd I heard on the news this morning.
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I feel like you're really making the wrong argument here.
Surely the question you should be asking is why are we, supporters of the mens game, being asked to consistently pay out ridiculous sums of money for tickets.
so does this mean we no longer have to listen to that $hte song "coming home" then.
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 29 seconds ago
I bet the women`s final would not have sold out if they were asking up to £100 a ticket. They practically gave the tickets away, there were so many kids there by the noise of the crowd I heard on the news this morning.
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I feel like you're really making the wrong argument here.
Surely the question you should be asking is why are we, supporters of the mens game, being asked to consistently pay out ridiculous sums of money for tickets.
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Fair point this. Would the costs of staging the womens Euro final at Wembley yesterday be any less than the mens Euro final at Wembley last year?
If the answer is no then is it right to question ticket prices?
I really enjoy fragile males getting go really upset that woman’s football is getting the headlines. Least they had the bottle to win unlike the blokes last year.
Keep the tears coming.
comment by Brian Easton (U1734)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Brian Easton (U1734)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Brian Easton (U1734)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Brian Easton (U1734)
posted 3 minutes ago
England's men are at the equilibrium that foreign investment in the PL has brought. They need to win something now before English players become even more of a bit part within the PL.
The top English teams have one or two good English players who currently have the benefit of playing with world class foreign players and being coached by world class foreign managers. Now is the time for them to reap all of these benefits.
Just a few years ago, the top players at the top clubs were English. You had Terry, Lampard, Gerrard, Rooney etc. Now you have whatever a Grealish is for £100m and an inanimate object in Maguire playing for Man Utd for £85m or whatever. All of the top players are foreign and English players just get squeezed in due to quotas.
Within a few years, English players will be playing an even lesser role at big clubs and even worse English players will be hyped up and bought for £150m due to quotas of English players needed (not due to their ability).
What is a Nathan Ake and why is it at Man City?
Whilst there is still a balance, and the PL is still vaguely sort of English, England need to win something.
There may come a point where money talks and there doesn't need to be English players in the PL anymore. Why would Saudis need Ben Mee in their team when they could have a world class foreign player?
Anyway, it does look like now or never for England.
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I'm not sure that's necessarily true as they've been banging that drum for decades now and we've got a young squad of truly talented players now in the England set up. If players are good enough, they'll come through, like Foden at City, for example.
Anyway, not sure what all this has to do with the women's game.
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I was going to say that England women winning it is more of an achievement as the men are currently benefiting from playing with world class players and being coaches by world class managers due to foreign money in the PL.
Yes, you mention Phil Foden, he is one decent player in a Man City team with players better than him. He is hardly De Bruyne. Sancho hardly getting a game for a mid table United side.
Maybe what works well for them at an international level is that they get on better because there is no rivalry between them at club level because they barely play and the club matches are now soulless anyway.
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It's not more of an achievement as the England women are playing against equally poor teams. It's a level playing field. It has nothing to do with good coaching and more to do with fixture pile up, exhaustion and climate often standing in the England men's way.
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The foreign players playing for foreign international teams literally play in the same teams and league as the English players. Why is it more of an issue for English players who don't even play many of the games? Also the climate thing is total nonsense. Is that the excuse for Qatar coming in? Going to be temperatures akin to a Scottish spring day.
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It's simple. ALL of our players, bar 1 or 2, play in this country where the demands are a lot greater than anywhere else. Every game is hard whereas in Spain, Italy, Germany and Portugal, you'll face teams where you can take your foot off the gas a little. It's a physically and emotionally demanding league. That takes its toll. Whilst we might have 5 or 6 from the Spanish squad, most of them ply their trade in Spain. Likewise for Italy etc.
I'm not talking about upcoming tournaments, like Qatar, I'm talking about previous tournaments where we've failed. Japan and SK, Mexico, S Africa, Brazil. It's impossible to win a tournament like that if you have no experience of playing in stifling heat.
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Almost everything you are saying is either incorrect or contradicting itself.
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Come on then smart ar$e, point out everything in my post that's incorrect or contradictory. If you're gonna have an opposing opinion, back it up.
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posted on 1/8/22
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Brian Easton (U1734)
posted 3 minutes ago
England's men are at the equilibrium that foreign investment in the PL has brought. They need to win something now before English players become even more of a bit part within the PL.
The top English teams have one or two good English players who currently have the benefit of playing with world class foreign players and being coached by world class foreign managers. Now is the time for them to reap all of these benefits.
Just a few years ago, the top players at the top clubs were English. You had Terry, Lampard, Gerrard, Rooney etc. Now you have whatever a Grealish is for £100m and an inanimate object in Maguire playing for Man Utd for £85m or whatever. All of the top players are foreign and English players just get squeezed in due to quotas.
Within a few years, English players will be playing an even lesser role at big clubs and even worse English players will be hyped up and bought for £150m due to quotas of English players needed (not due to their ability).
What is a Nathan Ake and why is it at Man City?
Whilst there is still a balance, and the PL is still vaguely sort of English, England need to win something.
There may come a point where money talks and there doesn't need to be English players in the PL anymore. Why would Saudis need Ben Mee in their team when they could have a world class foreign player?
Anyway, it does look like now or never for England.
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I'm not sure that's necessarily true as they've been banging that drum for decades now and we've got a young squad of truly talented players now in the England set up. If players are good enough, they'll come through, like Foden at City, for example.
Anyway, not sure what all this has to do with the women's game.
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I was going to say that England women winning it is more of an achievement as the men are currently benefiting from playing with world class players and being coaches by world class managers due to foreign money in the PL.
Yes, you mention Phil Foden, he is one decent player in a Man City team with players better than him. He is hardly De Bruyne. Sancho hardly getting a game for a mid table United side.
Maybe what works well for them at an international level is that they get on better because there is no rivalry between them at club level because they barely play and the club matches are now soulless anyway.
posted on 1/8/22
Lots of angry incels here
posted on 1/8/22
comment by joeymancityz. (U4783)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think its not unreasonable to gauge the popularity (or lack thereof) of this tournament by the amount of St Georges flags hanging from cars and houses during the tournament. Lat year I saw dozens upon dozens for the mans, this last few weeks none whatsoever.
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That's a good point and probably the most organic measure of popularity. Personally I can't stand the St George's flag on cars or hanging out of windows etc as it has National Front connotations but it is a sure fire way of measuring popularity. They can fill the stadium, draw people's attention to the viewing figures but like you say, where's the merchandise? There isn't any really.
posted on 1/8/22
comment by Brian Easton (U1734)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Brian Easton (U1734)
posted 3 minutes ago
England's men are at the equilibrium that foreign investment in the PL has brought. They need to win something now before English players become even more of a bit part within the PL.
The top English teams have one or two good English players who currently have the benefit of playing with world class foreign players and being coached by world class foreign managers. Now is the time for them to reap all of these benefits.
Just a few years ago, the top players at the top clubs were English. You had Terry, Lampard, Gerrard, Rooney etc. Now you have whatever a Grealish is for £100m and an inanimate object in Maguire playing for Man Utd for £85m or whatever. All of the top players are foreign and English players just get squeezed in due to quotas.
Within a few years, English players will be playing an even lesser role at big clubs and even worse English players will be hyped up and bought for £150m due to quotas of English players needed (not due to their ability).
What is a Nathan Ake and why is it at Man City?
Whilst there is still a balance, and the PL is still vaguely sort of English, England need to win something.
There may come a point where money talks and there doesn't need to be English players in the PL anymore. Why would Saudis need Ben Mee in their team when they could have a world class foreign player?
Anyway, it does look like now or never for England.
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I'm not sure that's necessarily true as they've been banging that drum for decades now and we've got a young squad of truly talented players now in the England set up. If players are good enough, they'll come through, like Foden at City, for example.
Anyway, not sure what all this has to do with the women's game.
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I was going to say that England women winning it is more of an achievement as the men are currently benefiting from playing with world class players and being coaches by world class managers due to foreign money in the PL.
Yes, you mention Phil Foden, he is one decent player in a Man City team with players better than him. He is hardly De Bruyne. Sancho hardly getting a game for a mid table United side.
Maybe what works well for them at an international level is that they get on better because there is no rivalry between them at club level because they barely play and the club matches are now soulless anyway.
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It's not more of an achievement as the England women are playing against equally poor teams. It's a level playing field. It has nothing to do with good coaching and more to do with fixture pile up, exhaustion and climate often standing in the England men's way.
posted on 1/8/22
Climate?
posted on 1/8/22
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Brian Easton (U1734)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Brian Easton (U1734)
posted 3 minutes ago
England's men are at the equilibrium that foreign investment in the PL has brought. They need to win something now before English players become even more of a bit part within the PL.
The top English teams have one or two good English players who currently have the benefit of playing with world class foreign players and being coached by world class foreign managers. Now is the time for them to reap all of these benefits.
Just a few years ago, the top players at the top clubs were English. You had Terry, Lampard, Gerrard, Rooney etc. Now you have whatever a Grealish is for £100m and an inanimate object in Maguire playing for Man Utd for £85m or whatever. All of the top players are foreign and English players just get squeezed in due to quotas.
Within a few years, English players will be playing an even lesser role at big clubs and even worse English players will be hyped up and bought for £150m due to quotas of English players needed (not due to their ability).
What is a Nathan Ake and why is it at Man City?
Whilst there is still a balance, and the PL is still vaguely sort of English, England need to win something.
There may come a point where money talks and there doesn't need to be English players in the PL anymore. Why would Saudis need Ben Mee in their team when they could have a world class foreign player?
Anyway, it does look like now or never for England.
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I'm not sure that's necessarily true as they've been banging that drum for decades now and we've got a young squad of truly talented players now in the England set up. If players are good enough, they'll come through, like Foden at City, for example.
Anyway, not sure what all this has to do with the women's game.
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I was going to say that England women winning it is more of an achievement as the men are currently benefiting from playing with world class players and being coaches by world class managers due to foreign money in the PL.
Yes, you mention Phil Foden, he is one decent player in a Man City team with players better than him. He is hardly De Bruyne. Sancho hardly getting a game for a mid table United side.
Maybe what works well for them at an international level is that they get on better because there is no rivalry between them at club level because they barely play and the club matches are now soulless anyway.
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It's not more of an achievement as the England women are playing against equally poor teams. It's a level playing field. It has nothing to do with good coaching and more to do with fixture pile up, exhaustion and climate often standing in the England men's way.
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The foreign players playing for foreign international teams literally play in the same teams and league as the English players. Why is it more of an issue for English players who don't even play many of the games? Also the climate thing is total nonsense. Is that the excuse for Qatar coming in? Going to be temperatures akin to a Scottish spring day.
posted on 1/8/22
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 8 minutes ago
Climate?
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Yes, there's a reason both the England men and women both made the final at home tournaments. Home support is massive obviously but the climate helps. Tournaments in South America or Asia are completely out for us as the players rarely play in 35 degree heat. That's held us back over the years as well as fixture pile up and no midwinter break, until now.
posted on 1/8/22
Also you are saying that players like Foden do not benefit from being coached by Guardiola? Learning from Silva and De Bruyne etc? They have absolutely everything in place that they need to develop into world class players.
Previously they would have been playing with and learning from Stephen Ireland and being coached by Mark Hughes.
Of course foreign investment in the PL has massively aided English players' development at the top level.
posted on 1/8/22
The gap in women's football is massive compared to the men's. Didn't the Lionesses beat one of the baltic states 20-0 away? And an 8-0 win in the group stage is rather ludicrous. Not a critisism, more an observation of where the women's game is currently
posted on 1/8/22
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 15 minutes ago
Now you may say these are the ramblings of a grumpy old man, but come on does anyone take women`s football seriously?
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Yes, girls who love football and are seeing it as a sport for them rather than a sport for boys. Girls who have role-models they can actually aspire to be rather than male players they can admire only.
I can only assume you don't have (given your purported age) grand-daughters interested in football. My niece is 7 and loves football, plays in her local team. These players are her heroes, there were tears of happiness when from her when they won.
Personally I'm all in favour of women's football. Why the hell shouldn't women be able to play the game we all love. And if the BBC or the general media hype it up a bit, great. Perhaps that'll offset the grumpy old men who seem keen to rain on the parade.
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I don`t have any Grandaughter`s mate. And even if I did, I think they would be doing better things than watching women kicking a ball around.
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Better things
Bottom line is sport should be available to all and should be seen as attainable to all. Women's football is growing in popularity all around the world and last night 87k people paid to watch the game with another 17m watching on TV. You're just a bit of a dinosaur.
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And exactly how many of them will turn up to watch the Women`s game when the so called new season kicks off? About 1 per cent. Most where there for an early evening out with their Mum`s and Dad`s eating popcorn, and will never in all probability set foot inside a football stadium again.
posted on 1/8/22
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 8 minutes ago
Climate?
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Yes, there's a reason both the England men and women both made the final at home tournaments. Home support is massive obviously but the climate helps. Tournaments in South America or Asia are completely out for us as the players rarely play in 35 degree heat. That's held us back over the years as well as fixture pile up and no midwinter break, until now.
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It is winter in South Africa. It was one of the coolest world cups. It was winter in Brazil. Again one of the coolest world cups. Tournaments in England are hotter. 30 odd degrees in June/July in London.
Your argument is just completely and utterly incorrect.
posted on 1/8/22
comment by joeymancityz. (U4783)
posted 2 minutes ago
The gap in women's football is massive compared to the men's. Didn't the Lionesses beat one of the baltic states 20-0 away? And an 8-0 win in the group stage is rather ludicrous. Not a critisism, more an observation of where the women's game is currently
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Absolutely mate, big winning margins like that totally diminish the entire tournament. I remember watching a semi-final a few years ago that finished 7-1. Absolutely ruined the tournament for me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aE4BdIP6bvc
posted on 1/8/22
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
But to add to that, it's almost impossible to say all of this without appearing misogynistic. It's nothing of the sort. It's just simply not right to measure trophy success between men and women, nor top scorers between White and Rooney.
My biggest fear is that this will shunt men's football to the side in terms of coverage. Such is the hysteria surrounding this, how far away are we to a mixed MOTD? Having to sit through 10 of their games on a Saturday evening, meaning each game will have to be shorter to fit in the scheduling. Less time and less analysis per match. It's be like watching MOTD on an FA Cup third round weekend.
Then there's Sky rising the prices because they've got the WSL. I'm out if they do that. If they start integrating it into Super Sunday or MNF, I quit football. I'm done.
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Agree fridgeboy
posted on 1/8/22
comment by Brian Easton (U1734)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Brian Easton (U1734)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Brian Easton (U1734)
posted 3 minutes ago
England's men are at the equilibrium that foreign investment in the PL has brought. They need to win something now before English players become even more of a bit part within the PL.
The top English teams have one or two good English players who currently have the benefit of playing with world class foreign players and being coached by world class foreign managers. Now is the time for them to reap all of these benefits.
Just a few years ago, the top players at the top clubs were English. You had Terry, Lampard, Gerrard, Rooney etc. Now you have whatever a Grealish is for £100m and an inanimate object in Maguire playing for Man Utd for £85m or whatever. All of the top players are foreign and English players just get squeezed in due to quotas.
Within a few years, English players will be playing an even lesser role at big clubs and even worse English players will be hyped up and bought for £150m due to quotas of English players needed (not due to their ability).
What is a Nathan Ake and why is it at Man City?
Whilst there is still a balance, and the PL is still vaguely sort of English, England need to win something.
There may come a point where money talks and there doesn't need to be English players in the PL anymore. Why would Saudis need Ben Mee in their team when they could have a world class foreign player?
Anyway, it does look like now or never for England.
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I'm not sure that's necessarily true as they've been banging that drum for decades now and we've got a young squad of truly talented players now in the England set up. If players are good enough, they'll come through, like Foden at City, for example.
Anyway, not sure what all this has to do with the women's game.
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I was going to say that England women winning it is more of an achievement as the men are currently benefiting from playing with world class players and being coaches by world class managers due to foreign money in the PL.
Yes, you mention Phil Foden, he is one decent player in a Man City team with players better than him. He is hardly De Bruyne. Sancho hardly getting a game for a mid table United side.
Maybe what works well for them at an international level is that they get on better because there is no rivalry between them at club level because they barely play and the club matches are now soulless anyway.
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It's not more of an achievement as the England women are playing against equally poor teams. It's a level playing field. It has nothing to do with good coaching and more to do with fixture pile up, exhaustion and climate often standing in the England men's way.
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The foreign players playing for foreign international teams literally play in the same teams and league as the English players. Why is it more of an issue for English players who don't even play many of the games? Also the climate thing is total nonsense. Is that the excuse for Qatar coming in? Going to be temperatures akin to a Scottish spring day.
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It's simple. ALL of our players, bar 1 or 2, play in this country where the demands are a lot greater than anywhere else. Every game is hard whereas in Spain, Italy, Germany and Portugal, you'll face teams where you can take your foot off the gas a little. It's a physically and emotionally demanding league. That takes its toll. Whilst we might have 5 or 6 from the Spanish squad, most of them ply their trade in Spain. Likewise for Italy etc.
I'm not talking about upcoming tournaments, like Qatar, I'm talking about previous tournaments where we've failed. Japan and SK, Mexico, S Africa, Brazil. It's impossible to win a tournament like that if you have no experience of playing in stifling heat.
posted on 1/8/22
Absolutely mate, big winning margins like that totally diminish the entire tournament. I remember watching a semi-final a few years ago that finished 7-1. Absolutely ruined the tournament for me.
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That was a one off and not the norm
posted on 1/8/22
comment by joeymancityz. (U4783)
posted 7 minutes ago
The gap in women's football is massive compared to the men's. Didn't the Lionesses beat one of the baltic states 20-0 away? And an 8-0 win in the group stage is rather ludicrous. Not a critisism, more an observation of where the women's game is currently
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Rampant lesbianism.
posted on 1/8/22
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Brian Easton (U1734)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Brian Easton (U1734)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Brian Easton (U1734)
posted 3 minutes ago
England's men are at the equilibrium that foreign investment in the PL has brought. They need to win something now before English players become even more of a bit part within the PL.
The top English teams have one or two good English players who currently have the benefit of playing with world class foreign players and being coached by world class foreign managers. Now is the time for them to reap all of these benefits.
Just a few years ago, the top players at the top clubs were English. You had Terry, Lampard, Gerrard, Rooney etc. Now you have whatever a Grealish is for £100m and an inanimate object in Maguire playing for Man Utd for £85m or whatever. All of the top players are foreign and English players just get squeezed in due to quotas.
Within a few years, English players will be playing an even lesser role at big clubs and even worse English players will be hyped up and bought for £150m due to quotas of English players needed (not due to their ability).
What is a Nathan Ake and why is it at Man City?
Whilst there is still a balance, and the PL is still vaguely sort of English, England need to win something.
There may come a point where money talks and there doesn't need to be English players in the PL anymore. Why would Saudis need Ben Mee in their team when they could have a world class foreign player?
Anyway, it does look like now or never for England.
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I'm not sure that's necessarily true as they've been banging that drum for decades now and we've got a young squad of truly talented players now in the England set up. If players are good enough, they'll come through, like Foden at City, for example.
Anyway, not sure what all this has to do with the women's game.
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I was going to say that England women winning it is more of an achievement as the men are currently benefiting from playing with world class players and being coaches by world class managers due to foreign money in the PL.
Yes, you mention Phil Foden, he is one decent player in a Man City team with players better than him. He is hardly De Bruyne. Sancho hardly getting a game for a mid table United side.
Maybe what works well for them at an international level is that they get on better because there is no rivalry between them at club level because they barely play and the club matches are now soulless anyway.
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It's not more of an achievement as the England women are playing against equally poor teams. It's a level playing field. It has nothing to do with good coaching and more to do with fixture pile up, exhaustion and climate often standing in the England men's way.
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The foreign players playing for foreign international teams literally play in the same teams and league as the English players. Why is it more of an issue for English players who don't even play many of the games? Also the climate thing is total nonsense. Is that the excuse for Qatar coming in? Going to be temperatures akin to a Scottish spring day.
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It's simple. ALL of our players, bar 1 or 2, play in this country where the demands are a lot greater than anywhere else. Every game is hard whereas in Spain, Italy, Germany and Portugal, you'll face teams where you can take your foot off the gas a little. It's a physically and emotionally demanding league. That takes its toll. Whilst we might have 5 or 6 from the Spanish squad, most of them ply their trade in Spain. Likewise for Italy etc.
I'm not talking about upcoming tournaments, like Qatar, I'm talking about previous tournaments where we've failed. Japan and SK, Mexico, S Africa, Brazil. It's impossible to win a tournament like that if you have no experience of playing in stifling heat.
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Almost everything you are saying is either incorrect or contradicting itself.
posted on 1/8/22
I love English exceptionalism.
"Every game is hard".
No, it really isn't. I mean, that late season spell where City won 3-0, 5-1, 4-0, 5-0 then 5-1 must have been really, really tough for them. You don't get tough matches like that in the other leagues, no sir.
posted on 1/8/22
I bet the women`s final would not have sold out if they were asking up to £100 a ticket. They practically gave the tickets away, there were so many kids there by the noise of the crowd I heard on the news this morning.
posted on 1/8/22
So they've won their own Euro's, good for them.
Stealing the 3 Lions song and banging on about the pain being over for the first time since 1966, doing my head in, who the feck do they think they are?
We've had to go through pain every 2 years since 1966, they come along having being more bothered about shopping and spa weekends for the last god knows how many years and think it's all over now! They can feck off.
posted on 1/8/22
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 29 seconds ago
I bet the women`s final would not have sold out if they were asking up to £100 a ticket. They practically gave the tickets away, there were so many kids there by the noise of the crowd I heard on the news this morning.
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I feel like you're really making the wrong argument here.
Surely the question you should be asking is why are we, supporters of the mens game, being asked to consistently pay out ridiculous sums of money for tickets.
posted on 1/8/22
so does this mean we no longer have to listen to that $hte song "coming home" then.
posted on 1/8/22
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 29 seconds ago
I bet the women`s final would not have sold out if they were asking up to £100 a ticket. They practically gave the tickets away, there were so many kids there by the noise of the crowd I heard on the news this morning.
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I feel like you're really making the wrong argument here.
Surely the question you should be asking is why are we, supporters of the mens game, being asked to consistently pay out ridiculous sums of money for tickets.
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Fair point this. Would the costs of staging the womens Euro final at Wembley yesterday be any less than the mens Euro final at Wembley last year?
If the answer is no then is it right to question ticket prices?
posted on 1/8/22
I really enjoy fragile males getting go really upset that woman’s football is getting the headlines. Least they had the bottle to win unlike the blokes last year.
Keep the tears coming.
posted on 1/8/22
comment by Brian Easton (U1734)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Brian Easton (U1734)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Brian Easton (U1734)
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comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Brian Easton (U1734)
posted 3 minutes ago
England's men are at the equilibrium that foreign investment in the PL has brought. They need to win something now before English players become even more of a bit part within the PL.
The top English teams have one or two good English players who currently have the benefit of playing with world class foreign players and being coached by world class foreign managers. Now is the time for them to reap all of these benefits.
Just a few years ago, the top players at the top clubs were English. You had Terry, Lampard, Gerrard, Rooney etc. Now you have whatever a Grealish is for £100m and an inanimate object in Maguire playing for Man Utd for £85m or whatever. All of the top players are foreign and English players just get squeezed in due to quotas.
Within a few years, English players will be playing an even lesser role at big clubs and even worse English players will be hyped up and bought for £150m due to quotas of English players needed (not due to their ability).
What is a Nathan Ake and why is it at Man City?
Whilst there is still a balance, and the PL is still vaguely sort of English, England need to win something.
There may come a point where money talks and there doesn't need to be English players in the PL anymore. Why would Saudis need Ben Mee in their team when they could have a world class foreign player?
Anyway, it does look like now or never for England.
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I'm not sure that's necessarily true as they've been banging that drum for decades now and we've got a young squad of truly talented players now in the England set up. If players are good enough, they'll come through, like Foden at City, for example.
Anyway, not sure what all this has to do with the women's game.
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I was going to say that England women winning it is more of an achievement as the men are currently benefiting from playing with world class players and being coaches by world class managers due to foreign money in the PL.
Yes, you mention Phil Foden, he is one decent player in a Man City team with players better than him. He is hardly De Bruyne. Sancho hardly getting a game for a mid table United side.
Maybe what works well for them at an international level is that they get on better because there is no rivalry between them at club level because they barely play and the club matches are now soulless anyway.
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It's not more of an achievement as the England women are playing against equally poor teams. It's a level playing field. It has nothing to do with good coaching and more to do with fixture pile up, exhaustion and climate often standing in the England men's way.
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The foreign players playing for foreign international teams literally play in the same teams and league as the English players. Why is it more of an issue for English players who don't even play many of the games? Also the climate thing is total nonsense. Is that the excuse for Qatar coming in? Going to be temperatures akin to a Scottish spring day.
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It's simple. ALL of our players, bar 1 or 2, play in this country where the demands are a lot greater than anywhere else. Every game is hard whereas in Spain, Italy, Germany and Portugal, you'll face teams where you can take your foot off the gas a little. It's a physically and emotionally demanding league. That takes its toll. Whilst we might have 5 or 6 from the Spanish squad, most of them ply their trade in Spain. Likewise for Italy etc.
I'm not talking about upcoming tournaments, like Qatar, I'm talking about previous tournaments where we've failed. Japan and SK, Mexico, S Africa, Brazil. It's impossible to win a tournament like that if you have no experience of playing in stifling heat.
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Almost everything you are saying is either incorrect or contradicting itself.
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Come on then smart ar$e, point out everything in my post that's incorrect or contradictory. If you're gonna have an opposing opinion, back it up.
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