comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 1 minute ago
Delays are inevitable. You make it sound like it is something Tesla wants? Like I said it isn't just Tesla, you are just singling them out.
How are they fleecing anyone. It is up to the individual if they want to pre order. All Tesla have done is given the opportunity, which is fully refundable.
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No I dont make it sound like its something Tesla wants, I make it sound like it something the should be criticised for. I am not singling them out Like I said I would criticise any company that takes deposits on a product that hasnt been designed yet, sits on that money for three years and doesnt update the customer/investor. How anyone can defend that is something that almost every human will agree with.
I told you how they are fleecing the customer, they are selling their product that cost the same to build as their peers (I gave the Mach E example) and selling the car for up to 5 times the profit as these other companies. Again are Tesla alone in doing this kinda thing, of course not but that doesnt mean it right, that doesnt mean they are void of criticism, they and any others that do the same should be criticised. The reason that this isnt a bigger deal is because almost no one is aware of it. if the public knew that their sales would be affected.
Once again you have completely missed the point due to having the Tesla defensive blinkers on.
My beef is not with Tesla, they are far from perfect but I quite like them. Are they free from criticism , far from it.
My beef is with fan boys like yourself who blatantly ignore any negative, refuse to believe its the case and basically put their fingers in their ears and go nanananana I cant hear you. then as soon as its quiet again go back to the promoting.
You have absolute zero credibility when it comes to giving an opinion on Tesla as (this thread has shown and the umpteen others) because you are incapable of being critical of them as if at really means anything.
I like Tesla, I like Elon tbf. I love the Tesla Roadster and wish they would go back and redevelop that car. Its by a country mile the best chassis they used in their cars and in terms of driving experience (IMO its miles better than any of the other cars they have released) clearly it doesnt have the range, the comfort or the tech as it was very much a beta project.
But in terms of actual driving its far better than the later models. I would like to see Tesla move away from building their own vehicles and instead develop other companies cars for them based on their chassis' and expertise. What I think they will do however is bow out the car manufacturing world and eventually control the battery world for the other cars. I think in the4 future that is where the money will lie for them in the automotive market.
You are singling Tesla out. It is true of all car companies.
They are not fleecing anyone, they couldn't be more open about their prices, there is no haggling, and if people choose to spend their money on a Tesla, who are you to say they can't? If you think they are too expensive, don't buy one.
Again I will ask you, what do you think I should be critical of?
As for the last bit I disagree, Tesla are set to dominate the car industry, for many reasons, not just cars.
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 1 minute ago
You are singling Tesla out. It is true of all car companies.
They are not fleecing anyone, they couldn't be more open about their prices, there is no haggling, and if people choose to spend their money on a Tesla, who are you to say they can't? If you think they are too expensive, don't buy one.
Again I will ask you, what do you think I should be critical of?
As for the last bit I disagree, Tesla are set to dominate the car industry, for many reasons, not just cars.
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one final time as it seems to be a real struggle for you.
It happens with many many companies, not just Tesla! thats about the 5th time Iv said that but you keep saying im singling them out.
why does that seem ok to you however, why do you not see that as a reason to be critical?
the customers and the general public do not have a clue about the profit margin side of things in comparison to other companies, companies do not want that info getting out and being public knowledge.
It doesnt matter you are incapable of being critical of Tesla, therefore you opinion is null and void you cannot give a honest impartial opinion on them so no one will take anything you say seriously.
You do not see anything wrong with a company delaying a product that people have invested in, keep that money for 3 years, make money of that investment of the people. and giving them zero heads up or updates with regards to when they can expect the product they have already put money towards.
You response is they can get their money back? you have zero idea of what actually goes on. that 120m they took from investors and have held on to for over three 3years, do you honestly think that was just sitting in some account doing nothing? If you do there is zero point discussing this as your so far out the loop and wont understand.
All this is acceptable to you and just because it has happened before means that its fine to do -
so there is no point in asking for your opinion on them because have shown that you cannot give in impartial opinion on them.
You just assume I hate Tesla and you brain cannot compute.
I have given you multiple reasons why they should be criticised (and I could do that to ANY company in the world) this is not exclusive to Tesla, they may even be one of the best for it who knows?
but wrong is wrong, and not giving your investors any info or update is wrong. You seem to think its correct however?!?!
I work with someone that paid the £100 for a UK deposit, then after about a year he took it back for mainly two reasons. He had heard absolutely nothing and when he contacted Tesla they cannot confirm if the car will be sold in the UK , yet are taking deposits for them.
I guess thats another thing they dont deserve to be criticised for? taking a deposit for a product they dont even know if they will sell.
spin that one into a positive. So someone invests, is kept out the loop completely and when he chases it up is told by Tesla that they dont know if they will be selling it to his country.
The point is it is not an issue with Tesla. So why should I be critical?
I don't see a reason to be critical of something normal in the industry. If it were something unique to Tesla, you may have a point.
If people are interested in profit margins, it is available in Tesla's published quarterly returns.
Not if the people invested in it don't, no.
I'm sure Tesla is getting some interest, but it is small change to the demand data that they wanted.
It is not about hate. but if all you have is they have pre orders waiting. then I'm not impressed.
No the only reason you seem to mention is people waiting for pre orders. They do not have to wait if they don't want to.
Tesla will give info when it is available, I showed you some, but ironically you didn't believe it anyway.
Fair enough that is his perogative, and shows Tesla refund policy is exactly what they said it was. I say that is credit to Tesla.
I think they know it will sell. They may not have done at the time, but it was a smart way to find out. Well done Tesla.
Well He was told what they knew, they didn't know if it would be sold in the UK. If he lived in the US it would have been a different answer. They were honest, what more do you want?
thats a lot of slurping right there for someone who doesnt even own a Tesla.
Like I said you are unable to criticise Tesla , doesnt matter how many examples I present you with (regardless if they are not the only ones that do certain practices) just cos some other companies do things poorly does not excuse Tesla.
You dont get it .... if you cannot be objective about a subject any outsider on here will see it and just ignore your drivel.
We get it Tesla doesnt do a single thing wrong, and if they do as long as some other company has done it before then in your book then its ok to continue. there is no point having a debate with you, because your incapable of debate on the subject.
Maybe if Tesla were not such rip offs with their profit margins you would own one.
I'm Sorry whodunnit. I know you are a decent enough guy, but you have no idea what you are talking about.
I have followed the EV revolution from the beginning of Tesla, and I am very aware of them as a company and the huge advantages they have.
But I am more than happy to report any EV news, as that is what is important, and if any company does anything interesting I will highlight it. I don't care who is doing it,
I am still waiting for you to say anything I should be critical of, and all you have offered is they are late with products (even though that is typical in the car industry) and they have pre orders waiting.
I'm sorry if that is the best you have I'm not impressed. No company is perfect, I'll grant you that, but to single Tesla out is ridiculous.
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
I'm Sorry whodunnit. I know you are a decent enough guy, but you have no idea what you are talking about.
I have followed the EV revolution from the beginning of Tesla, and I am very aware of them as a company and the huge advantages they have.
But I am more than happy to report any EV news, as that is what is important, and if any company does anything interesting I will highlight it. I don't care who is doing it,
I am still waiting for you to say anything I should be critical of, and all you have offered is they are late with products (even though that is typical in the car industry) and they have pre orders waiting.
I'm sorry if that is the best you have I'm not impressed. No company is perfect, I'll grant you that, but to single Tesla out is ridiculous.
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please clarify what exactly it is i dont know about ?
again you just dont get it .... im not digging out Tesla they are doing great things. Im digging out you ... all you have done if show that you are incapable of even giving out the slightest criticism to Tesla and if you cannot criticise them for things they dont do well then you cannot be trusted to provide non biased worthwhile info on them.
The examples I used are blatant examples of poor practice and customer service, are they alone in this area ... hell no ... they aint the worst either , not by a long shot. But they are OBVIOUS examples of things they can improve on yet you point blank refuse to say anything that may be perceived as a black marker against them.
Much like you do with Sony, you are so reluctant to cast any shade on them but are more than happy to do it with Xbox. so you are not incapable of criticism when its due but you do choose to omit if from your fanboy favourites.
Rolls Royce are a little worse for their profit margins from costs per car than Tesla. actually they are one of the worst offenders , but since other companies do it also then they cannot be criticised for it eh?
like I said this is no singling out Tesla its singling out YOU
So basically you are sticking too they are late bringing out products and they have pre orders.
Fine I get it, you think it is terrible, I don't. I will let others decide who they agree with
Is that all, or do you have anything else?
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
So basically you are sticking too they are late bringing out products and they have pre orders.
Fine I get it, you think it is terrible, I don't. I will let others decide who they agree with
Is that all, or do you have anything else?
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if that what you read above then you have more problems than simply being a fan boy.
I dont think its terrible not at all. quote me anywhere that i have hinted that ... quite the opposite.
you cant read and you cant be credible when it come to talking about Tesla
So you are going on and on about something that even you say is nothing terrible. Get back to me when you have something worth moaning about.
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 7 minutes ago
So you are going on and on about something that even you say is nothing terrible. Get back to me when you have something worth moaning about.
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not my fault your completely missing the point ...... no one will take you seriously. Fanboys never are
Get back to me when you have something serious to add.
why . you will just dismiss it .... you have said Tesla are not perfect. what do you suggest they should be criticised on? It doesnt have to be exclusive to Tesla it can be a common problem that they do no deal with very well.
just one ... go on, baby steps.
Feel free to use ANY of the examples that you dodged and didnt mention as one of they points.
So all you want is for me to say, no company is perfect. Which I have already said. Including Tesla.
I literally follow the EV news, My mate who obviously asked me about EV's is buying an EV 6. I would encourage anyone to at least look into EV's. and test drive them, to find which one suits their needs.
I have asked for a dedicated EV section, there is all sorts of stuff going on. and it involves many companies not just Tesla. It is not my fault that Tesla are the clear leaders in it.
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 8 minutes ago
So all you want is for me to say, no company is perfect. Which I have already said. Including Tesla.
I literally follow the EV news, My mate who obviously asked me about EV's is buying an EV 6. I would encourage anyone to at least look into EV's. and test drive them, to find which one suits their needs.
I have asked for a dedicated EV section, there is all sorts of stuff going on. and it involves many companies not just Tesla. It is not my fault that Tesla are the clear leaders in it.
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what i would really like for you to is learn to read I say give me one criticism of Tesla since as you say that are not perfect.
You read that as "So all you want is for me to say, no company is perfect"
nothing else needs to be said you have proved my point.
You cannot critique on EV cars and in specific Tesla, all you can do is copy and paste from your twitter and or facebook account.
Maybe if you were able to spark a proper debate and be objective about Tesla you would get your section.
cos as soon as someone has some negative to say on Tesla all you can see is OMG this guys hates Tesla, your blinded by your fanboyism.
You cant do it , to you it seems like if you do it some sort of defeat as if this is a game or if you have to backtrack you have lost. Your showing the mentality of a 6 yr old who thinks being wrong is some kind of life loss.
I have asked you to provide 1 criticism of Tesla , as you said no company is perfect and just cos there is things they can improve on doesnt mean someone hates them or they arent the no 1 in their field.
You are unable to do that. you dont get it i specifically re-iterated small points about the company to see if you would be critical in small area's or just admit they couold have handled it better. but you cant . I asked many many times for 1 criticism but your unable to do so. maybe you dont know as much about them as you let on maybe thats why you can come up with a single criticism.
each to their own , continue to keep posting and avoiding the questions posed to you.
No company is perfect you mention small points where things could be better in any company. Well wit fookin woo. You my friend are a genius.
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 21 minutes ago
No company is perfect you mention small points where things could be better in any company. Well wit fookin woo. You my friend are a genius.
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and you still cant do it .....
pick another criticism then ... one that does not involve Tesla having the customer believe that the design was finished and would be releasing soon before taking in £120m of these peoples money in pre orders, and holding onto that money for up to 3 years and counting.
If you dont want to admit that was poor from Tesla to their customers then pick another one.
go on any one. You can choose how minor or major it is. Although you think holding 120m of customer money way longer than you led them to think they would be without it and making money of the customers money by placing it in holding accounts. If you pass that off as minor I would love to hear what you think of as a major criticism
It is not the big deal you are making it out to be. Tesla wanted to understand demand, and that is why they did it. The interest they might gain is tiny in comparison.
If people want their money they can have it back anytime. Nobody is losing anything.
nyway back to what the original post was about. Tesla have released a minor upgrade, and releasing FSD beta 10.69.1 to a few more testers.
I'm not sure what has improved, but here's another video of it doing it's thing, for anyone interested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hMmUVL37DQ
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 14 minutes ago
It is not the big deal you are making it out to be. Tesla wanted to understand demand, and that is why they did it. The interest they might gain is tiny in comparison.
If people want their money they can have it back anytime. Nobody is losing anything.
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your the one making it big deal by refusing to cricise them for anything ...... if I ask for my deposit back to I get it back 3 years ago or do I get it now? Did Tesla make any money on that £120m?
the fact you see this as such a small issue shows me you dont understand the problem and are not qualified to talk about it.
You are aware that customer DO NOT get their full £100 back despite the site saying you get a FULL REFUND.
If Tesla had went bust last year would I have got that money back then?
Was I made aware that I may have to wait up to over 5 years fior that deposit to be actioned?
Is there a fee for this refund?
Should they be taking deposits off people in the UK when they do not (its unlikely) that the will be selling the truck here?
How long can a customer expect to wait for this refund ... it can take months ! It can take up to 30 days just to process your request of a refund before the actual refund takes place.
Like you said though this isnt really an issue is it?
Can anyone in the world answer me what other mainstream car company can have you wait up to 5 years for a car you put a deposit on?
Again I fully understand that in order to answer all the questions posed above will lead you to talking negatively about the company in some way so you will refuse to do so.... funny that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN8WCTMEob8
This is another video of 12.69.1. doing it's thing. There is another upgrade due soon 12.69.2. which is tweaking the software for a wider release.
It is set to be released to the 100,000 beta testers, first. Setting up for the release to all those who have paid for FSD (not just the Beta testers) I'm sure it will still be with the caveat the driver is responsible for monitoring it's performance. But it shows the increasing confidence Tesla have in the system
If Tesla can do this, the huge amounts of data it will gain, will mean the system can improve even more. Ineresting times
Sorry it should be 10.69.1.1. Tesla tweaking the software based on it's earlier performances. So this is actually the second minor tweaking of the 10.69 software I started this post with.
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posted on 31/8/22
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 1 minute ago
Delays are inevitable. You make it sound like it is something Tesla wants? Like I said it isn't just Tesla, you are just singling them out.
How are they fleecing anyone. It is up to the individual if they want to pre order. All Tesla have done is given the opportunity, which is fully refundable.
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No I dont make it sound like its something Tesla wants, I make it sound like it something the should be criticised for. I am not singling them out Like I said I would criticise any company that takes deposits on a product that hasnt been designed yet, sits on that money for three years and doesnt update the customer/investor. How anyone can defend that is something that almost every human will agree with.
I told you how they are fleecing the customer, they are selling their product that cost the same to build as their peers (I gave the Mach E example) and selling the car for up to 5 times the profit as these other companies. Again are Tesla alone in doing this kinda thing, of course not but that doesnt mean it right, that doesnt mean they are void of criticism, they and any others that do the same should be criticised. The reason that this isnt a bigger deal is because almost no one is aware of it. if the public knew that their sales would be affected.
Once again you have completely missed the point due to having the Tesla defensive blinkers on.
My beef is not with Tesla, they are far from perfect but I quite like them. Are they free from criticism , far from it.
My beef is with fan boys like yourself who blatantly ignore any negative, refuse to believe its the case and basically put their fingers in their ears and go nanananana I cant hear you. then as soon as its quiet again go back to the promoting.
You have absolute zero credibility when it comes to giving an opinion on Tesla as (this thread has shown and the umpteen others) because you are incapable of being critical of them as if at really means anything.
I like Tesla, I like Elon tbf. I love the Tesla Roadster and wish they would go back and redevelop that car. Its by a country mile the best chassis they used in their cars and in terms of driving experience (IMO its miles better than any of the other cars they have released) clearly it doesnt have the range, the comfort or the tech as it was very much a beta project.
But in terms of actual driving its far better than the later models. I would like to see Tesla move away from building their own vehicles and instead develop other companies cars for them based on their chassis' and expertise. What I think they will do however is bow out the car manufacturing world and eventually control the battery world for the other cars. I think in the4 future that is where the money will lie for them in the automotive market.
posted on 31/8/22
You are singling Tesla out. It is true of all car companies.
They are not fleecing anyone, they couldn't be more open about their prices, there is no haggling, and if people choose to spend their money on a Tesla, who are you to say they can't? If you think they are too expensive, don't buy one.
Again I will ask you, what do you think I should be critical of?
As for the last bit I disagree, Tesla are set to dominate the car industry, for many reasons, not just cars.
posted on 31/8/22
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 1 minute ago
You are singling Tesla out. It is true of all car companies.
They are not fleecing anyone, they couldn't be more open about their prices, there is no haggling, and if people choose to spend their money on a Tesla, who are you to say they can't? If you think they are too expensive, don't buy one.
Again I will ask you, what do you think I should be critical of?
As for the last bit I disagree, Tesla are set to dominate the car industry, for many reasons, not just cars.
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one final time as it seems to be a real struggle for you.
It happens with many many companies, not just Tesla! thats about the 5th time Iv said that but you keep saying im singling them out.
why does that seem ok to you however, why do you not see that as a reason to be critical?
the customers and the general public do not have a clue about the profit margin side of things in comparison to other companies, companies do not want that info getting out and being public knowledge.
It doesnt matter you are incapable of being critical of Tesla, therefore you opinion is null and void you cannot give a honest impartial opinion on them so no one will take anything you say seriously.
You do not see anything wrong with a company delaying a product that people have invested in, keep that money for 3 years, make money of that investment of the people. and giving them zero heads up or updates with regards to when they can expect the product they have already put money towards.
You response is they can get their money back? you have zero idea of what actually goes on. that 120m they took from investors and have held on to for over three 3years, do you honestly think that was just sitting in some account doing nothing? If you do there is zero point discussing this as your so far out the loop and wont understand.
All this is acceptable to you and just because it has happened before means that its fine to do -
so there is no point in asking for your opinion on them because have shown that you cannot give in impartial opinion on them.
You just assume I hate Tesla and you brain cannot compute.
I have given you multiple reasons why they should be criticised (and I could do that to ANY company in the world) this is not exclusive to Tesla, they may even be one of the best for it who knows?
but wrong is wrong, and not giving your investors any info or update is wrong. You seem to think its correct however?!?!
I work with someone that paid the £100 for a UK deposit, then after about a year he took it back for mainly two reasons. He had heard absolutely nothing and when he contacted Tesla they cannot confirm if the car will be sold in the UK , yet are taking deposits for them.
I guess thats another thing they dont deserve to be criticised for? taking a deposit for a product they dont even know if they will sell.
spin that one into a positive. So someone invests, is kept out the loop completely and when he chases it up is told by Tesla that they dont know if they will be selling it to his country.
posted on 31/8/22
The point is it is not an issue with Tesla. So why should I be critical?
I don't see a reason to be critical of something normal in the industry. If it were something unique to Tesla, you may have a point.
If people are interested in profit margins, it is available in Tesla's published quarterly returns.
Not if the people invested in it don't, no.
I'm sure Tesla is getting some interest, but it is small change to the demand data that they wanted.
It is not about hate. but if all you have is they have pre orders waiting. then I'm not impressed.
No the only reason you seem to mention is people waiting for pre orders. They do not have to wait if they don't want to.
Tesla will give info when it is available, I showed you some, but ironically you didn't believe it anyway.
Fair enough that is his perogative, and shows Tesla refund policy is exactly what they said it was. I say that is credit to Tesla.
I think they know it will sell. They may not have done at the time, but it was a smart way to find out. Well done Tesla.
Well He was told what they knew, they didn't know if it would be sold in the UK. If he lived in the US it would have been a different answer. They were honest, what more do you want?
posted on 1/9/22
thats a lot of slurping right there for someone who doesnt even own a Tesla.
Like I said you are unable to criticise Tesla , doesnt matter how many examples I present you with (regardless if they are not the only ones that do certain practices) just cos some other companies do things poorly does not excuse Tesla.
You dont get it .... if you cannot be objective about a subject any outsider on here will see it and just ignore your drivel.
We get it Tesla doesnt do a single thing wrong, and if they do as long as some other company has done it before then in your book then its ok to continue. there is no point having a debate with you, because your incapable of debate on the subject.
Maybe if Tesla were not such rip offs with their profit margins you would own one.
posted on 1/9/22
I'm Sorry whodunnit. I know you are a decent enough guy, but you have no idea what you are talking about.
I have followed the EV revolution from the beginning of Tesla, and I am very aware of them as a company and the huge advantages they have.
But I am more than happy to report any EV news, as that is what is important, and if any company does anything interesting I will highlight it. I don't care who is doing it,
I am still waiting for you to say anything I should be critical of, and all you have offered is they are late with products (even though that is typical in the car industry) and they have pre orders waiting.
I'm sorry if that is the best you have I'm not impressed. No company is perfect, I'll grant you that, but to single Tesla out is ridiculous.
posted on 1/9/22
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
I'm Sorry whodunnit. I know you are a decent enough guy, but you have no idea what you are talking about.
I have followed the EV revolution from the beginning of Tesla, and I am very aware of them as a company and the huge advantages they have.
But I am more than happy to report any EV news, as that is what is important, and if any company does anything interesting I will highlight it. I don't care who is doing it,
I am still waiting for you to say anything I should be critical of, and all you have offered is they are late with products (even though that is typical in the car industry) and they have pre orders waiting.
I'm sorry if that is the best you have I'm not impressed. No company is perfect, I'll grant you that, but to single Tesla out is ridiculous.
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please clarify what exactly it is i dont know about ?
again you just dont get it .... im not digging out Tesla they are doing great things. Im digging out you ... all you have done if show that you are incapable of even giving out the slightest criticism to Tesla and if you cannot criticise them for things they dont do well then you cannot be trusted to provide non biased worthwhile info on them.
The examples I used are blatant examples of poor practice and customer service, are they alone in this area ... hell no ... they aint the worst either , not by a long shot. But they are OBVIOUS examples of things they can improve on yet you point blank refuse to say anything that may be perceived as a black marker against them.
Much like you do with Sony, you are so reluctant to cast any shade on them but are more than happy to do it with Xbox. so you are not incapable of criticism when its due but you do choose to omit if from your fanboy favourites.
Rolls Royce are a little worse for their profit margins from costs per car than Tesla. actually they are one of the worst offenders , but since other companies do it also then they cannot be criticised for it eh?
like I said this is no singling out Tesla its singling out YOU
posted on 1/9/22
So basically you are sticking too they are late bringing out products and they have pre orders.
Fine I get it, you think it is terrible, I don't. I will let others decide who they agree with
Is that all, or do you have anything else?
posted on 1/9/22
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
So basically you are sticking too they are late bringing out products and they have pre orders.
Fine I get it, you think it is terrible, I don't. I will let others decide who they agree with
Is that all, or do you have anything else?
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if that what you read above then you have more problems than simply being a fan boy.
I dont think its terrible not at all. quote me anywhere that i have hinted that ... quite the opposite.
you cant read and you cant be credible when it come to talking about Tesla
posted on 1/9/22
So you are going on and on about something that even you say is nothing terrible. Get back to me when you have something worth moaning about.
posted on 1/9/22
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 7 minutes ago
So you are going on and on about something that even you say is nothing terrible. Get back to me when you have something worth moaning about.
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not my fault your completely missing the point ...... no one will take you seriously. Fanboys never are
posted on 1/9/22
Get back to me when you have something serious to add.
posted on 1/9/22
why . you will just dismiss it .... you have said Tesla are not perfect. what do you suggest they should be criticised on? It doesnt have to be exclusive to Tesla it can be a common problem that they do no deal with very well.
just one ... go on, baby steps.
Feel free to use ANY of the examples that you dodged and didnt mention as one of they points.
posted on 1/9/22
So all you want is for me to say, no company is perfect. Which I have already said. Including Tesla.
I literally follow the EV news, My mate who obviously asked me about EV's is buying an EV 6. I would encourage anyone to at least look into EV's. and test drive them, to find which one suits their needs.
I have asked for a dedicated EV section, there is all sorts of stuff going on. and it involves many companies not just Tesla. It is not my fault that Tesla are the clear leaders in it.
posted on 1/9/22
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 8 minutes ago
So all you want is for me to say, no company is perfect. Which I have already said. Including Tesla.
I literally follow the EV news, My mate who obviously asked me about EV's is buying an EV 6. I would encourage anyone to at least look into EV's. and test drive them, to find which one suits their needs.
I have asked for a dedicated EV section, there is all sorts of stuff going on. and it involves many companies not just Tesla. It is not my fault that Tesla are the clear leaders in it.
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what i would really like for you to is learn to read I say give me one criticism of Tesla since as you say that are not perfect.
You read that as "So all you want is for me to say, no company is perfect"
nothing else needs to be said you have proved my point.
You cannot critique on EV cars and in specific Tesla, all you can do is copy and paste from your twitter and or facebook account.
Maybe if you were able to spark a proper debate and be objective about Tesla you would get your section.
cos as soon as someone has some negative to say on Tesla all you can see is OMG this guys hates Tesla, your blinded by your fanboyism.
You cant do it , to you it seems like if you do it some sort of defeat as if this is a game or if you have to backtrack you have lost. Your showing the mentality of a 6 yr old who thinks being wrong is some kind of life loss.
I have asked you to provide 1 criticism of Tesla , as you said no company is perfect and just cos there is things they can improve on doesnt mean someone hates them or they arent the no 1 in their field.
You are unable to do that. you dont get it i specifically re-iterated small points about the company to see if you would be critical in small area's or just admit they couold have handled it better. but you cant . I asked many many times for 1 criticism but your unable to do so. maybe you dont know as much about them as you let on maybe thats why you can come up with a single criticism.
each to their own , continue to keep posting and avoiding the questions posed to you.
posted on 1/9/22
No company is perfect you mention small points where things could be better in any company. Well wit fookin woo. You my friend are a genius.
posted on 1/9/22
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 21 minutes ago
No company is perfect you mention small points where things could be better in any company. Well wit fookin woo. You my friend are a genius.
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and you still cant do it .....
posted on 1/9/22
pick another criticism then ... one that does not involve Tesla having the customer believe that the design was finished and would be releasing soon before taking in £120m of these peoples money in pre orders, and holding onto that money for up to 3 years and counting.
If you dont want to admit that was poor from Tesla to their customers then pick another one.
go on any one. You can choose how minor or major it is. Although you think holding 120m of customer money way longer than you led them to think they would be without it and making money of the customers money by placing it in holding accounts. If you pass that off as minor I would love to hear what you think of as a major criticism
posted on 1/9/22
It is not the big deal you are making it out to be. Tesla wanted to understand demand, and that is why they did it. The interest they might gain is tiny in comparison.
If people want their money they can have it back anytime. Nobody is losing anything.
posted on 1/9/22
nyway back to what the original post was about. Tesla have released a minor upgrade, and releasing FSD beta 10.69.1 to a few more testers.
I'm not sure what has improved, but here's another video of it doing it's thing, for anyone interested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hMmUVL37DQ
posted on 1/9/22
comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 14 minutes ago
It is not the big deal you are making it out to be. Tesla wanted to understand demand, and that is why they did it. The interest they might gain is tiny in comparison.
If people want their money they can have it back anytime. Nobody is losing anything.
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your the one making it big deal by refusing to cricise them for anything ...... if I ask for my deposit back to I get it back 3 years ago or do I get it now? Did Tesla make any money on that £120m?
the fact you see this as such a small issue shows me you dont understand the problem and are not qualified to talk about it.
You are aware that customer DO NOT get their full £100 back despite the site saying you get a FULL REFUND.
If Tesla had went bust last year would I have got that money back then?
Was I made aware that I may have to wait up to over 5 years fior that deposit to be actioned?
Is there a fee for this refund?
Should they be taking deposits off people in the UK when they do not (its unlikely) that the will be selling the truck here?
How long can a customer expect to wait for this refund ... it can take months ! It can take up to 30 days just to process your request of a refund before the actual refund takes place.
Like you said though this isnt really an issue is it?
Can anyone in the world answer me what other mainstream car company can have you wait up to 5 years for a car you put a deposit on?
Again I fully understand that in order to answer all the questions posed above will lead you to talking negatively about the company in some way so you will refuse to do so.... funny that
posted on 4/9/22
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN8WCTMEob8
This is another video of 12.69.1. doing it's thing. There is another upgrade due soon 12.69.2. which is tweaking the software for a wider release.
It is set to be released to the 100,000 beta testers, first. Setting up for the release to all those who have paid for FSD (not just the Beta testers) I'm sure it will still be with the caveat the driver is responsible for monitoring it's performance. But it shows the increasing confidence Tesla have in the system
If Tesla can do this, the huge amounts of data it will gain, will mean the system can improve even more. Ineresting times
posted on 4/9/22
Sorry it should be 10.69.1.1. Tesla tweaking the software based on it's earlier performances. So this is actually the second minor tweaking of the 10.69 software I started this post with.
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