Was a comment on the post about him not improving. I agree there’s certain things a player is unlikely to improve much at this age, usually it’s technique.
comment by Marcus The Triumvir Antony (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
Was a comment on the post about him not improving. I agree there’s certain things a player is unlikely to improve much at this age, usually it’s technique.
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I know im being a sarcastic dhik !!
however comparing a 29 old to a 23 year old in terms of improving as they get older doesnt make much sense IMO.
It does when it’s Lukaku. They are the same player.
comment by Marcus The Triumvir Antony (U10026)
posted 19 seconds ago
It does when it’s Lukaku. They are the same player.
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no idea what your on about....
your comparing how a 23 year will develop to how a 29 will develop? I dont see the relevance in this.
And Lukaku and Nunez are very different players. they are both big focal points but their style of play is pretty different
From a technical perspective, yes.
comment by Marcus The Triumvir Antony (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
From a technical perspective, yes.
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like I said you comparing how a 29 yr old will develop to a 23 yr old.
It not relevant IMO.
I think the biggest issue with Nunez is that he is a completely different player to Mane (and Firmino) and seems totally against the system Klopp wants to play. Now people argue that this is to give Liverpool a different option/dimension, but when it appears total opposite of what you’ve worked at for 7 years it could be doing more harm than good. Liverpools system, and I would argue Salah, thrive on moveable interchanging forwards who are hard to pick up and create space for eachother (and deeper players like the full backs), however a player like Nunez who is more of a traditional no9, limits this, which means Salah and whoever plays on the opposite side have less room to work with and in turn the full backs have less space to run into. Having said all this, it’s just my theory, he really hasn’t played enough to judge him yet. Personally I think he will do okay and score a decent amount of goals but Liverpool as a team will be weaker.
comment by DoireDevilBhoy (U10745)
posted 25 seconds ago
I think the biggest issue with Nunez is that he is a completely different player to Mane (and Firmino) and seems totally against the system Klopp wants to play. Now people argue that this is to give Liverpool a different option/dimension, but when it appears total opposite of what you’ve worked at for 7 years it could be doing more harm than good. Liverpools system, and I would argue Salah, thrive on moveable interchanging forwards who are hard to pick up and create space for eachother (and deeper players like the full backs), however a player like Nunez who is more of a traditional no9, limits this, which means Salah and whoever plays on the opposite side have less room to work with and in turn the full backs have less space to run into. Having said all this, it’s just my theory, he really hasn’t played enough to judge him yet. Personally I think he will do okay and score a decent amount of goals but Liverpool as a team will be weaker.
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Agreed, Nunez looks better suited to leading the line and being the focal point of the attack. Klopps system seems to work best when the striker can play more of a false nine to create the space for the two wider players to get in behind or create a hole in the centre for them to exploit.
He could be a player that hit a purple patch last year, he could be a player just struggling to adapt to a new role, he could just be $hite.
time will tell.
Remember Scousers frothing at the mouth when he was compared to Carroll over the summer. It’s was a very poor risk from Liverpool to replace Mane with a signing like Nunez
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Marcus The Triumvir Antony (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
From a technical perspective, yes.
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like I said you comparing how a 29 yr old will develop to a 23 yr old.
It not relevant IMO.
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You literally said he won’t improve massively at 23.
He's a good player in his own right, but always thought this was a bit of a strange one from Liverpool. He may well start to excel, but its one of those where you feel if he does it'll be at the expense of others in the team.
Think they would've been better off going for someone like Isak. Will probably be less prolific but would've just been a better fit.
I think someone on a match thread once referred to him as a tall Javier Hernandez, which is pretty bang on.
comment by Marcus The Triumvir Antony (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Marcus The Triumvir Antony (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
From a technical perspective, yes.
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like I said you comparing how a 29 yr old will develop to a 23 yr old.
It not relevant IMO.
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You literally said he won’t improve massively at 23.
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Yes I am aware of what I typed and I stand by that ..... however to counter my argument you brought up Lukaku not improving much more from now (he is 29) of course he wont develop as much?
Lilke I said your original point made no sense and your points since even less so!
Its very rare that a player aged 23 that has been playing first team football for 5 years develops massively more. I couldnt give you one example of a 29 yr old massively developing at the age of 29 !!
so again what exactly is your point ?
Its very rare that a player aged 23 that has been playing first team football for 5 years develops massively more. I couldnt give you one example of a 29 yr old massively developing at the age of 29 !!
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Salah, Mane, Van Dijk, Firmino, Matip, Fabinho....
All hugely improved as players since age 23 and that's just a handful of Liverpool examples.
Dumbest comment I've ever read. "Very rare" ffs.
Are you drunk? I used the example of Lukaku to support your argument about him not massively improving (I focused on his technique) from the age of 23, not to counter it.
comment by Marcus The Triumvir Antony (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
Are you drunk? I used the example of Lukaku to support your argument about him not massively improving (I focused on his technique) from the age of 23, not to counter it.
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Who TF is this aimed at?
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 8 minutes ago
He's a good player in his own right, but always thought this was a bit of a strange one from Liverpool. He may well start to excel, but its one of those where you feel if he does it'll be at the expense of others in the team.
Think they would've been better off going for someone like Isak. Will probably be less prolific but would've just been a better fit.
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Liverpool should have gone for Victor Osimhen. Maybe the nigerian was not available this summer but they could have waited like they have for Jude whom I have a feeling they wont pay what is required to land him.
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 1 minute ago
Its very rare that a player aged 23 that has been playing first team football for 5 years develops massively more. I couldnt give you one example of a 29 yr old massively developing at the age of 29 !!
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Salah, Mane, Van Dijk, Firmino, Matip, Fabinho....
All hugely improved as players since age 23 and that's just a handful of Liverpool examples.
Dumbest comment I've ever read. "Very rare" ffs.
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improved yes,,, massively improved na not for me all had shown the levels they were at when at their previous clubs, the players around them improved and the management team improved the whole team improved that coupled with the players improving may have made it seem that they improved massively....
Salah was named Italian player of the year im sure when he signed for your, Van Dijk was already one of the best defender in the league when he signed for Southampton let alone when he signed for Liverpool. He was outstanding at Celtic (pains me to say it) and then was equally as good at Southanmpton when he went to liverpool he was already the finished article Firminio has stayed at pretty much the same level maybe improved a little (as his stats show). Matip was outstanding for Schalke before signing for Liverpool. Fabinho was outstanding for Monaco before signing for you.
All the examples you gave there seem to spawn from ignorance of how good they were at their previous clubs and not players who improved massively IMO.
comment by B10 - Boss (U22536)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 8 minutes ago
He's a good player in his own right, but always thought this was a bit of a strange one from Liverpool. He may well start to excel, but its one of those where you feel if he does it'll be at the expense of others in the team.
Think they would've been better off going for someone like Isak. Will probably be less prolific but would've just been a better fit.
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Liverpool should have gone for Victor Osimhen. Maybe the nigerian was not available this summer but they could have waited like they have for Jude whom I have a feeling they wont pay what is required to land him.
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Liverpool, Chelsea, Man Utd would have benefitted massively from signing Oshimen.
comment by Marcus The Triumvir Antony (U10026)
posted 17 minutes ago
Are you drunk? I used the example of Lukaku to support your argument about him not massively improving (I focused on his technique) from the age of 23, not to counter it.
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apologies! I didnt have a clue that was the point you were making!!
improved yes,,, massively improved na not for me all had shown the levels they were at when at their previous clubs, the players around them improved and the management team improved the whole team improved that coupled with the players improving may have made it seem that they improved massively....
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Total b0llocks and you know it
At 23, Salah was at Chelsea barely getting game time. Utterly ludicrous to suggest him going from that to arguably the best player on the planet isn't significant improvement.
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 15 seconds ago
improved yes,,, massively improved na not for me all had shown the levels they were at when at their previous clubs, the players around them improved and the management team improved the whole team improved that coupled with the players improving may have made it seem that they improved massively....
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Total b0llocks and you know it
At 23, Salah was at Chelsea barely getting game time. Utterly ludicrous to suggest him going from that to arguably the best player on the planet isn't significant improvement.
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I think he was 22 and didnt have 5 years of regular first team football behind him like I originally said. This is about comparing players in the same circumstance as Nunez. Salah doesnt fall into that category he barely featured at Chelsea.
However I didnt say it was impossible I said it was rare. Even though the circumstances are not the same they are close enough top allow Salah as being an exception to the rule. I still say that players aged 23 with 5 years regular first team football behind them rarely improve massively
There are some pretty bold comments on this thread that are based on 176 minutes of football that they won't have watched all of anyway.
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posted on 22/9/22
Was a comment on the post about him not improving. I agree there’s certain things a player is unlikely to improve much at this age, usually it’s technique.
posted on 22/9/22
comment by Marcus The Triumvir Antony (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
Was a comment on the post about him not improving. I agree there’s certain things a player is unlikely to improve much at this age, usually it’s technique.
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I know im being a sarcastic dhik !!
however comparing a 29 old to a 23 year old in terms of improving as they get older doesnt make much sense IMO.
posted on 22/9/22
It does when it’s Lukaku. They are the same player.
posted on 22/9/22
comment by Marcus The Triumvir Antony (U10026)
posted 19 seconds ago
It does when it’s Lukaku. They are the same player.
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no idea what your on about....
your comparing how a 23 year will develop to how a 29 will develop? I dont see the relevance in this.
And Lukaku and Nunez are very different players. they are both big focal points but their style of play is pretty different
posted on 22/9/22
From a technical perspective, yes.
posted on 22/9/22
comment by Marcus The Triumvir Antony (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
From a technical perspective, yes.
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like I said you comparing how a 29 yr old will develop to a 23 yr old.
It not relevant IMO.
posted on 22/9/22
I think the biggest issue with Nunez is that he is a completely different player to Mane (and Firmino) and seems totally against the system Klopp wants to play. Now people argue that this is to give Liverpool a different option/dimension, but when it appears total opposite of what you’ve worked at for 7 years it could be doing more harm than good. Liverpools system, and I would argue Salah, thrive on moveable interchanging forwards who are hard to pick up and create space for eachother (and deeper players like the full backs), however a player like Nunez who is more of a traditional no9, limits this, which means Salah and whoever plays on the opposite side have less room to work with and in turn the full backs have less space to run into. Having said all this, it’s just my theory, he really hasn’t played enough to judge him yet. Personally I think he will do okay and score a decent amount of goals but Liverpool as a team will be weaker.
posted on 22/9/22
comment by DoireDevilBhoy (U10745)
posted 25 seconds ago
I think the biggest issue with Nunez is that he is a completely different player to Mane (and Firmino) and seems totally against the system Klopp wants to play. Now people argue that this is to give Liverpool a different option/dimension, but when it appears total opposite of what you’ve worked at for 7 years it could be doing more harm than good. Liverpools system, and I would argue Salah, thrive on moveable interchanging forwards who are hard to pick up and create space for eachother (and deeper players like the full backs), however a player like Nunez who is more of a traditional no9, limits this, which means Salah and whoever plays on the opposite side have less room to work with and in turn the full backs have less space to run into. Having said all this, it’s just my theory, he really hasn’t played enough to judge him yet. Personally I think he will do okay and score a decent amount of goals but Liverpool as a team will be weaker.
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Agreed, Nunez looks better suited to leading the line and being the focal point of the attack. Klopps system seems to work best when the striker can play more of a false nine to create the space for the two wider players to get in behind or create a hole in the centre for them to exploit.
He could be a player that hit a purple patch last year, he could be a player just struggling to adapt to a new role, he could just be $hite.
time will tell.
posted on 22/9/22
Remember Scousers frothing at the mouth when he was compared to Carroll over the summer. It’s was a very poor risk from Liverpool to replace Mane with a signing like Nunez
posted on 22/9/22
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Marcus The Triumvir Antony (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
From a technical perspective, yes.
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like I said you comparing how a 29 yr old will develop to a 23 yr old.
It not relevant IMO.
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You literally said he won’t improve massively at 23.
posted on 22/9/22
He's a good player in his own right, but always thought this was a bit of a strange one from Liverpool. He may well start to excel, but its one of those where you feel if he does it'll be at the expense of others in the team.
Think they would've been better off going for someone like Isak. Will probably be less prolific but would've just been a better fit.
posted on 22/9/22
I think someone on a match thread once referred to him as a tall Javier Hernandez, which is pretty bang on.
posted on 22/9/22
comment by Marcus The Triumvir Antony (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Marcus The Triumvir Antony (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
From a technical perspective, yes.
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like I said you comparing how a 29 yr old will develop to a 23 yr old.
It not relevant IMO.
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You literally said he won’t improve massively at 23.
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Yes I am aware of what I typed and I stand by that ..... however to counter my argument you brought up Lukaku not improving much more from now (he is 29) of course he wont develop as much?
Lilke I said your original point made no sense and your points since even less so!
Its very rare that a player aged 23 that has been playing first team football for 5 years develops massively more. I couldnt give you one example of a 29 yr old massively developing at the age of 29 !!
so again what exactly is your point ?
posted on 22/9/22
Its very rare that a player aged 23 that has been playing first team football for 5 years develops massively more. I couldnt give you one example of a 29 yr old massively developing at the age of 29 !!
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Salah, Mane, Van Dijk, Firmino, Matip, Fabinho....
All hugely improved as players since age 23 and that's just a handful of Liverpool examples.
Dumbest comment I've ever read. "Very rare" ffs.
posted on 22/9/22
Are you drunk? I used the example of Lukaku to support your argument about him not massively improving (I focused on his technique) from the age of 23, not to counter it.
posted on 22/9/22
comment by Marcus The Triumvir Antony (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
Are you drunk? I used the example of Lukaku to support your argument about him not massively improving (I focused on his technique) from the age of 23, not to counter it.
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Who TF is this aimed at?
posted on 22/9/22
You.
posted on 22/9/22
whodunnit actually.
posted on 22/9/22
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 8 minutes ago
He's a good player in his own right, but always thought this was a bit of a strange one from Liverpool. He may well start to excel, but its one of those where you feel if he does it'll be at the expense of others in the team.
Think they would've been better off going for someone like Isak. Will probably be less prolific but would've just been a better fit.
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Liverpool should have gone for Victor Osimhen. Maybe the nigerian was not available this summer but they could have waited like they have for Jude whom I have a feeling they wont pay what is required to land him.
posted on 22/9/22
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 1 minute ago
Its very rare that a player aged 23 that has been playing first team football for 5 years develops massively more. I couldnt give you one example of a 29 yr old massively developing at the age of 29 !!
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Salah, Mane, Van Dijk, Firmino, Matip, Fabinho....
All hugely improved as players since age 23 and that's just a handful of Liverpool examples.
Dumbest comment I've ever read. "Very rare" ffs.
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improved yes,,, massively improved na not for me all had shown the levels they were at when at their previous clubs, the players around them improved and the management team improved the whole team improved that coupled with the players improving may have made it seem that they improved massively....
Salah was named Italian player of the year im sure when he signed for your, Van Dijk was already one of the best defender in the league when he signed for Southampton let alone when he signed for Liverpool. He was outstanding at Celtic (pains me to say it) and then was equally as good at Southanmpton when he went to liverpool he was already the finished article Firminio has stayed at pretty much the same level maybe improved a little (as his stats show). Matip was outstanding for Schalke before signing for Liverpool. Fabinho was outstanding for Monaco before signing for you.
All the examples you gave there seem to spawn from ignorance of how good they were at their previous clubs and not players who improved massively IMO.
posted on 22/9/22
comment by B10 - Boss (U22536)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 8 minutes ago
He's a good player in his own right, but always thought this was a bit of a strange one from Liverpool. He may well start to excel, but its one of those where you feel if he does it'll be at the expense of others in the team.
Think they would've been better off going for someone like Isak. Will probably be less prolific but would've just been a better fit.
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Liverpool should have gone for Victor Osimhen. Maybe the nigerian was not available this summer but they could have waited like they have for Jude whom I have a feeling they wont pay what is required to land him.
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Liverpool, Chelsea, Man Utd would have benefitted massively from signing Oshimen.
posted on 22/9/22
comment by Marcus The Triumvir Antony (U10026)
posted 17 minutes ago
Are you drunk? I used the example of Lukaku to support your argument about him not massively improving (I focused on his technique) from the age of 23, not to counter it.
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apologies! I didnt have a clue that was the point you were making!!
posted on 22/9/22
improved yes,,, massively improved na not for me all had shown the levels they were at when at their previous clubs, the players around them improved and the management team improved the whole team improved that coupled with the players improving may have made it seem that they improved massively....
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Total b0llocks and you know it
At 23, Salah was at Chelsea barely getting game time. Utterly ludicrous to suggest him going from that to arguably the best player on the planet isn't significant improvement.
posted on 22/9/22
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 15 seconds ago
improved yes,,, massively improved na not for me all had shown the levels they were at when at their previous clubs, the players around them improved and the management team improved the whole team improved that coupled with the players improving may have made it seem that they improved massively....
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Total b0llocks and you know it
At 23, Salah was at Chelsea barely getting game time. Utterly ludicrous to suggest him going from that to arguably the best player on the planet isn't significant improvement.
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I think he was 22 and didnt have 5 years of regular first team football behind him like I originally said. This is about comparing players in the same circumstance as Nunez. Salah doesnt fall into that category he barely featured at Chelsea.
However I didnt say it was impossible I said it was rare. Even though the circumstances are not the same they are close enough top allow Salah as being an exception to the rule. I still say that players aged 23 with 5 years regular first team football behind them rarely improve massively
posted on 22/9/22
There are some pretty bold comments on this thread that are based on 176 minutes of football that they won't have watched all of anyway.
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