comment by whodunnit (U22710)
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comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 12 minutes ago
Not sure why someone 'won't improve' because he's 23.
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To be fair, I don't think I've improved at anything since 23. Using that as a scientific basis, it is literally impossible for anyone to improve at anything past 23 (except getting older)
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lets also just forget that I actually said improve "MASSIVELY" at the age of 23. Mike conveniently omitted that part !
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At 24, Didier Drogba had never played above the French second division and had a goal scoring rate of about 1 goal every 5 games.
I would say he massively improved from that.
Loads of players massively improve at 23. In fact that's when most do. Quite easily the daftest comment I have seen on 606 for fair while.
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 hours, 16 minutes ago
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 12 minutes ago
Not sure why someone 'won't improve' because he's 23.
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To be fair, I don't think I've improved at anything since 23. Using that as a scientific basis, it is literally impossible for anyone to improve at anything past 23 (except getting older)
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lets also just forget that I actually said improve "MASSIVELY" at the age of 23. Mike conveniently omitted that part !
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At 24, Didier Drogba had never played above the French second division and had a goal scoring rate of about 1 goal every 5 games.
I would say he massively improved from that.
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did he have 5 years of regular football behind him already at the age of 23?
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 hours, 16 minutes ago
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 12 minutes ago
Not sure why someone 'won't improve' because he's 23.
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To be fair, I don't think I've improved at anything since 23. Using that as a scientific basis, it is literally impossible for anyone to improve at anything past 23 (except getting older)
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lets also just forget that I actually said improve "MASSIVELY" at the age of 23. Mike conveniently omitted that part !
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At 24, Didier Drogba had never played above the French second division and had a goal scoring rate of about 1 goal every 5 games.
I would say he massively improved from that.
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did he have 5 years of regular football behind him already at the age of 23?
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Yes.
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 56 seconds ago
Loads of players massively improve at 23. In fact that's when most do. Quite easily the daftest comment I have seen on 606 for fair while.
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players improve the most from 17-23 in any sport not just football. Thats when the physical transformation takes place coupled with technical and mental progression.
Why do you think youth football is capped at U23's
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 56 seconds ago
Loads of players massively improve at 23. In fact that's when most do. Quite easily the daftest comment I have seen on 606 for fair while.
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players improve the most from 17-23 in any sport not just football. Thats when the physical transformation takes place coupled with technical and mental progression.
Why do you think youth football is capped at U23's
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Absolute nonsense.
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
Loads of players massively improve at 23. In fact that's when most do. Quite easily the daftest comment I have seen on 606 for fair while.
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It’s rare they massively improve technically, though.
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posted 51 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 hours, 16 minutes ago
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 12 minutes ago
Not sure why someone 'won't improve' because he's 23.
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To be fair, I don't think I've improved at anything since 23. Using that as a scientific basis, it is literally impossible for anyone to improve at anything past 23 (except getting older)
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lets also just forget that I actually said improve "MASSIVELY" at the age of 23. Mike conveniently omitted that part !
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At 24, Didier Drogba had never played above the French second division and had a goal scoring rate of about 1 goal every 5 games.
I would say he massively improved from that.
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did he have 5 years of regular football behind him already at the age of 23?
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Yes.
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no he didnt he signed for his first team Guingamp when he was 20 byt the time he was 23 he had played 3 years of league 2 football, granted that was mainly due to having bad injury problems when he was younger
comment by Marcus The Triumvir Antony (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
Loads of players massively improve at 23. In fact that's when most do. Quite easily the daftest comment I have seen on 606 for fair while.
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It’s rare they massively improve technically, though.
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True enough. He seems to either do something very good or something very bad. If he can keep the good and even out the bad we'll have a player.
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posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 hours, 16 minutes ago
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 12 minutes ago
Not sure why someone 'won't improve' because he's 23.
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To be fair, I don't think I've improved at anything since 23. Using that as a scientific basis, it is literally impossible for anyone to improve at anything past 23 (except getting older)
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lets also just forget that I actually said improve "MASSIVELY" at the age of 23. Mike conveniently omitted that part !
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At 24, Didier Drogba had never played above the French second division and had a goal scoring rate of about 1 goal every 5 games.
I would say he massively improved from that.
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did he have 5 years of regular football behind him already at the age of 23?
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Yes.
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no he didnt he signed for his first team Guingamp when he was 20 byt the time he was 23 he had played 3 years of league 2 football, granted that was mainly due to having bad injury problems when he was younger
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Of course he was playing football regularly! He's a pro footballer.
Sorry, but you have said something silly that is not backed up by, well, anything.
VVD, Lewa, Lampard, I could go on and on and on.
That's why a footballers peak is 27-30.
You're talking shiiiiiit I'm afraid.
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 56 seconds ago
Loads of players massively improve at 23. In fact that's when most do. Quite easily the daftest comment I have seen on 606 for fair while.
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players improve the most from 17-23 in any sport not just football. Thats when the physical transformation takes place coupled with technical and mental progression.
Why do you think youth football is capped at U23's
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Absolute nonsense.
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feel free to prove me wrong. Its the way the human body works. When it comes to athletic events humans typically peak from the age of 25-32. The younger the person is the more drastic their learning curve is. Granted in football this isnt always the case but its a general rule of thumb.
Are you honestly not aware of this?
Vardy, Zidane, Pirlo, Nedved
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 56 seconds ago
Loads of players massively improve at 23. In fact that's when most do. Quite easily the daftest comment I have seen on 606 for fair while.
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players improve the most from 17-23 in any sport not just football. Thats when the physical transformation takes place coupled with technical and mental progression.
Why do you think youth football is capped at U23's
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Absolute nonsense.
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I thought it was 25 onwards tbf
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 hours, 16 minutes ago
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 12 minutes ago
Not sure why someone 'won't improve' because he's 23.
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To be fair, I don't think I've improved at anything since 23. Using that as a scientific basis, it is literally impossible for anyone to improve at anything past 23 (except getting older)
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lets also just forget that I actually said improve "MASSIVELY" at the age of 23. Mike conveniently omitted that part !
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At 24, Didier Drogba had never played above the French second division and had a goal scoring rate of about 1 goal every 5 games.
I would say he massively improved from that.
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did he have 5 years of regular football behind him already at the age of 23?
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Yes.
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no he didnt he signed for his first team Guingamp when he was 20 byt the time he was 23 he had played 3 years of league 2 football, granted that was mainly due to having bad injury problems when he was younger
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Of course he was playing football regularly! He's a pro footballer.
Sorry, but you have said something silly that is not backed up by, well, anything.
VVD, Lewa, Lampard, I could go on and on and on.
That's why a footballers peak is 27-30.
You're talking shiiiiiit I'm afraid.
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Go leanr your maths then, he signed his first deal direct from school at the age of 20. Im curios as to how you then work out he had played 5 years of football regular first team football by the age of 23. this will be interesting........
Tbf you said five years of regularly football.
Digress as much as you like, you said something silly on the internet and that's about it.
Modric, Kroos, Puyol, Pique
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
Vardy, Zidane, Pirlo, Nedved
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Biscan
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 17 minutes ago
There are some pretty bold comments on this thread that are based on 176 minutes of football that they won't have watched all of anyway.
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They don’t need to watch him actually play a whole game, they have their bible, YouTube.
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
Vardy, Zidane, Pirlo, Nedved
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Biscan
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Of course!
Robertson, Cantona, Adams, Ribery
Suarez was a goal machine before he joined Liverpool. Once he had settled in he continued that. He had scored twice as many goals at 23 than Nunez has.
Nunez will take a bit of time to settle, so wrong to judge him now, but his stats are far weaker. He's basically had 1 strong season (last) at a high level and that was the Portuguese League. It would represent remarkable development if he got anywhere near Suarez's record.
Goals aside, Suarez had the all-round game and that's only made possible by having superb technique. Nunez's less-than-perfect technique limits his all-round game. Could be something he can improve on, but like others i'd say technique is not an area easy improved, you kinda have it or you don't....just look how long Lukaku has been trying to trap a ball!
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 minutes ago
Suarez was a goal machine before he joined Liverpool. Once he had settled in he continued that. He had scored twice as many goals at 23 than Nunez has.
Nunez will take a bit of time to settle, so wrong to judge him now, but his stats are far weaker. He's basically had 1 strong season (last) at a high level and that was the Portuguese League. It would represent remarkable development if he got anywhere near Suarez's record.
Goals aside, Suarez had the all-round game and that's only made possible by having superb technique. Nunez's less-than-perfect technique limits his all-round game. Could be something he can improve on, but like others i'd say technique is not an area easy improved, you kinda have it or you don't....just look how long Lukaku has been trying to trap a ball!
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This
In the right system and in a Liverpool team designed to play for him, Nunez will bang in goals. Lots of them.
Trouble is Liverpool arent playing well at the moment and it has a direct impact on his numbers.
Lahm, Henry, Pires, Salah
I'm quite comfortable with the idea that Nunez will not become one the greatest strikers of his generation too. In fact I'll be happy with 15 goals in all comps for his first season which he'll likely get.
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Marcus The Triumvir Antony (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
Loads of players massively improve at 23. In fact that's when most do. Quite easily the daftest comment I have seen on 606 for fair while.
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It’s rare they massively improve technically, though.
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True enough. He seems to either do something very good or something very bad. If he can keep the good and even out the bad we'll have a player.
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It’ll be interesting to see what work Liverpool try to do with him. Could be hard to iron out some of the weaknesses technically, but working on his strengths could see him become a top striker for you.
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 23 seconds ago
Tbf you said five years of regularly football.
Digress as much as you like, you said something silly on the internet and that's about it.
Modric, Kroos, Puyol, Pique
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yes and if you start playing proper football at 20 then its gonna be tough to build up 5 years of regular playing experience before the age of 23 ?! honestly ... im not making it up.
You can thrown individual examples if you want they are not the norm.
Pirlo was already in the Italy squad at 23 but granted he did massively improve,
Nedved is a good example of a player massively improving.
Zidane was outstanding at Bordeaux prior to moving to Juve and was a France regular.
Kroos was a first team stick on at Bayern long before he was 23. He and schweinstegger were already top players before 23.
Pique was a first choice along side Puyol at the age of 21 and was La Ligas best defender at the age of 22 wining the breakthrough defender award at 21 and then La liga defender of the year at 22. and first choice for Spain at 22.
Some examples you give will obv go against my point ... i didnt say it was impossible i said it was rare.
The vast majority of players do not improve massively after the age of 23. especially if they fall into the same circumstance as Nunez, especially if that player has over 100 senior appearances prior to being 23.
I would image that the vast majority of footballers at the biggest clubs have technique good enough to enable them to success at the highest level. I'm sure there'll be an exception of two but generally speaking you don't get signed by managers at the top of their game after being assessed by scouts and coaches at the top of their game, if your technique is poor.
What I think sets certain players aside is whether they have the confidence and temperament to display that on match days. Some can do that with ease and will play every game like it's on the training ground. Others won't .
There are loads of examples of players fulfilling their potential later in their careers and for the majority I suspect the talent and technique was always there, they just weren't able to demonstrate it regularly enough.
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lol pretty funny tbf
posted on 22/9/22
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 hours, 16 minutes ago
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 12 minutes ago
Not sure why someone 'won't improve' because he's 23.
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To be fair, I don't think I've improved at anything since 23. Using that as a scientific basis, it is literally impossible for anyone to improve at anything past 23 (except getting older)
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lets also just forget that I actually said improve "MASSIVELY" at the age of 23. Mike conveniently omitted that part !
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At 24, Didier Drogba had never played above the French second division and had a goal scoring rate of about 1 goal every 5 games.
I would say he massively improved from that.
posted on 22/9/22
Loads of players massively improve at 23. In fact that's when most do. Quite easily the daftest comment I have seen on 606 for fair while.
posted on 22/9/22
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 hours, 16 minutes ago
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 12 minutes ago
Not sure why someone 'won't improve' because he's 23.
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To be fair, I don't think I've improved at anything since 23. Using that as a scientific basis, it is literally impossible for anyone to improve at anything past 23 (except getting older)
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lets also just forget that I actually said improve "MASSIVELY" at the age of 23. Mike conveniently omitted that part !
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At 24, Didier Drogba had never played above the French second division and had a goal scoring rate of about 1 goal every 5 games.
I would say he massively improved from that.
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did he have 5 years of regular football behind him already at the age of 23?
posted on 22/9/22
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 hours, 16 minutes ago
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 12 minutes ago
Not sure why someone 'won't improve' because he's 23.
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To be fair, I don't think I've improved at anything since 23. Using that as a scientific basis, it is literally impossible for anyone to improve at anything past 23 (except getting older)
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lets also just forget that I actually said improve "MASSIVELY" at the age of 23. Mike conveniently omitted that part !
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At 24, Didier Drogba had never played above the French second division and had a goal scoring rate of about 1 goal every 5 games.
I would say he massively improved from that.
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did he have 5 years of regular football behind him already at the age of 23?
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Yes.
posted on 22/9/22
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 56 seconds ago
Loads of players massively improve at 23. In fact that's when most do. Quite easily the daftest comment I have seen on 606 for fair while.
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players improve the most from 17-23 in any sport not just football. Thats when the physical transformation takes place coupled with technical and mental progression.
Why do you think youth football is capped at U23's
posted on 22/9/22
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 56 seconds ago
Loads of players massively improve at 23. In fact that's when most do. Quite easily the daftest comment I have seen on 606 for fair while.
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players improve the most from 17-23 in any sport not just football. Thats when the physical transformation takes place coupled with technical and mental progression.
Why do you think youth football is capped at U23's
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Absolute nonsense.
posted on 22/9/22
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
Loads of players massively improve at 23. In fact that's when most do. Quite easily the daftest comment I have seen on 606 for fair while.
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It’s rare they massively improve technically, though.
posted on 22/9/22
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 hours, 16 minutes ago
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 12 minutes ago
Not sure why someone 'won't improve' because he's 23.
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To be fair, I don't think I've improved at anything since 23. Using that as a scientific basis, it is literally impossible for anyone to improve at anything past 23 (except getting older)
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lets also just forget that I actually said improve "MASSIVELY" at the age of 23. Mike conveniently omitted that part !
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At 24, Didier Drogba had never played above the French second division and had a goal scoring rate of about 1 goal every 5 games.
I would say he massively improved from that.
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did he have 5 years of regular football behind him already at the age of 23?
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Yes.
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no he didnt he signed for his first team Guingamp when he was 20 byt the time he was 23 he had played 3 years of league 2 football, granted that was mainly due to having bad injury problems when he was younger
posted on 22/9/22
comment by Marcus The Triumvir Antony (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
Loads of players massively improve at 23. In fact that's when most do. Quite easily the daftest comment I have seen on 606 for fair while.
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It’s rare they massively improve technically, though.
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True enough. He seems to either do something very good or something very bad. If he can keep the good and even out the bad we'll have a player.
posted on 22/9/22
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 hours, 16 minutes ago
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 12 minutes ago
Not sure why someone 'won't improve' because he's 23.
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To be fair, I don't think I've improved at anything since 23. Using that as a scientific basis, it is literally impossible for anyone to improve at anything past 23 (except getting older)
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lets also just forget that I actually said improve "MASSIVELY" at the age of 23. Mike conveniently omitted that part !
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At 24, Didier Drogba had never played above the French second division and had a goal scoring rate of about 1 goal every 5 games.
I would say he massively improved from that.
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did he have 5 years of regular football behind him already at the age of 23?
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Yes.
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no he didnt he signed for his first team Guingamp when he was 20 byt the time he was 23 he had played 3 years of league 2 football, granted that was mainly due to having bad injury problems when he was younger
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Of course he was playing football regularly! He's a pro footballer.
Sorry, but you have said something silly that is not backed up by, well, anything.
VVD, Lewa, Lampard, I could go on and on and on.
That's why a footballers peak is 27-30.
You're talking shiiiiiit I'm afraid.
posted on 22/9/22
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 56 seconds ago
Loads of players massively improve at 23. In fact that's when most do. Quite easily the daftest comment I have seen on 606 for fair while.
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players improve the most from 17-23 in any sport not just football. Thats when the physical transformation takes place coupled with technical and mental progression.
Why do you think youth football is capped at U23's
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Absolute nonsense.
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feel free to prove me wrong. Its the way the human body works. When it comes to athletic events humans typically peak from the age of 25-32. The younger the person is the more drastic their learning curve is. Granted in football this isnt always the case but its a general rule of thumb.
Are you honestly not aware of this?
posted on 22/9/22
Vardy, Zidane, Pirlo, Nedved
posted on 22/9/22
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 56 seconds ago
Loads of players massively improve at 23. In fact that's when most do. Quite easily the daftest comment I have seen on 606 for fair while.
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players improve the most from 17-23 in any sport not just football. Thats when the physical transformation takes place coupled with technical and mental progression.
Why do you think youth football is capped at U23's
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Absolute nonsense.
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I thought it was 25 onwards tbf
posted on 22/9/22
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 hours, 16 minutes ago
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 12 minutes ago
Not sure why someone 'won't improve' because he's 23.
----
To be fair, I don't think I've improved at anything since 23. Using that as a scientific basis, it is literally impossible for anyone to improve at anything past 23 (except getting older)
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lets also just forget that I actually said improve "MASSIVELY" at the age of 23. Mike conveniently omitted that part !
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At 24, Didier Drogba had never played above the French second division and had a goal scoring rate of about 1 goal every 5 games.
I would say he massively improved from that.
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did he have 5 years of regular football behind him already at the age of 23?
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Yes.
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no he didnt he signed for his first team Guingamp when he was 20 byt the time he was 23 he had played 3 years of league 2 football, granted that was mainly due to having bad injury problems when he was younger
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course he was playing football regularly! He's a pro footballer.
Sorry, but you have said something silly that is not backed up by, well, anything.
VVD, Lewa, Lampard, I could go on and on and on.
That's why a footballers peak is 27-30.
You're talking shiiiiiit I'm afraid.
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Go leanr your maths then, he signed his first deal direct from school at the age of 20. Im curios as to how you then work out he had played 5 years of football regular first team football by the age of 23. this will be interesting........
posted on 22/9/22
Tbf you said five years of regularly football.
Digress as much as you like, you said something silly on the internet and that's about it.
Modric, Kroos, Puyol, Pique
posted on 22/9/22
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
Vardy, Zidane, Pirlo, Nedved
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Biscan
posted on 22/9/22
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 17 minutes ago
There are some pretty bold comments on this thread that are based on 176 minutes of football that they won't have watched all of anyway.
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They don’t need to watch him actually play a whole game, they have their bible, YouTube.
posted on 22/9/22
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
Vardy, Zidane, Pirlo, Nedved
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Biscan
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Of course!
Robertson, Cantona, Adams, Ribery
posted on 22/9/22
Suarez was a goal machine before he joined Liverpool. Once he had settled in he continued that. He had scored twice as many goals at 23 than Nunez has.
Nunez will take a bit of time to settle, so wrong to judge him now, but his stats are far weaker. He's basically had 1 strong season (last) at a high level and that was the Portuguese League. It would represent remarkable development if he got anywhere near Suarez's record.
Goals aside, Suarez had the all-round game and that's only made possible by having superb technique. Nunez's less-than-perfect technique limits his all-round game. Could be something he can improve on, but like others i'd say technique is not an area easy improved, you kinda have it or you don't....just look how long Lukaku has been trying to trap a ball!
posted on 22/9/22
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 minutes ago
Suarez was a goal machine before he joined Liverpool. Once he had settled in he continued that. He had scored twice as many goals at 23 than Nunez has.
Nunez will take a bit of time to settle, so wrong to judge him now, but his stats are far weaker. He's basically had 1 strong season (last) at a high level and that was the Portuguese League. It would represent remarkable development if he got anywhere near Suarez's record.
Goals aside, Suarez had the all-round game and that's only made possible by having superb technique. Nunez's less-than-perfect technique limits his all-round game. Could be something he can improve on, but like others i'd say technique is not an area easy improved, you kinda have it or you don't....just look how long Lukaku has been trying to trap a ball!
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This
In the right system and in a Liverpool team designed to play for him, Nunez will bang in goals. Lots of them.
Trouble is Liverpool arent playing well at the moment and it has a direct impact on his numbers.
posted on 22/9/22
Lahm, Henry, Pires, Salah
I'm quite comfortable with the idea that Nunez will not become one the greatest strikers of his generation too. In fact I'll be happy with 15 goals in all comps for his first season which he'll likely get.
posted on 22/9/22
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Marcus The Triumvir Antony (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
Loads of players massively improve at 23. In fact that's when most do. Quite easily the daftest comment I have seen on 606 for fair while.
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It’s rare they massively improve technically, though.
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True enough. He seems to either do something very good or something very bad. If he can keep the good and even out the bad we'll have a player.
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It’ll be interesting to see what work Liverpool try to do with him. Could be hard to iron out some of the weaknesses technically, but working on his strengths could see him become a top striker for you.
posted on 22/9/22
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 23 seconds ago
Tbf you said five years of regularly football.
Digress as much as you like, you said something silly on the internet and that's about it.
Modric, Kroos, Puyol, Pique
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yes and if you start playing proper football at 20 then its gonna be tough to build up 5 years of regular playing experience before the age of 23 ?! honestly ... im not making it up.
You can thrown individual examples if you want they are not the norm.
Pirlo was already in the Italy squad at 23 but granted he did massively improve,
Nedved is a good example of a player massively improving.
Zidane was outstanding at Bordeaux prior to moving to Juve and was a France regular.
Kroos was a first team stick on at Bayern long before he was 23. He and schweinstegger were already top players before 23.
Pique was a first choice along side Puyol at the age of 21 and was La Ligas best defender at the age of 22 wining the breakthrough defender award at 21 and then La liga defender of the year at 22. and first choice for Spain at 22.
Some examples you give will obv go against my point ... i didnt say it was impossible i said it was rare.
The vast majority of players do not improve massively after the age of 23. especially if they fall into the same circumstance as Nunez, especially if that player has over 100 senior appearances prior to being 23.
posted on 22/9/22
I would image that the vast majority of footballers at the biggest clubs have technique good enough to enable them to success at the highest level. I'm sure there'll be an exception of two but generally speaking you don't get signed by managers at the top of their game after being assessed by scouts and coaches at the top of their game, if your technique is poor.
What I think sets certain players aside is whether they have the confidence and temperament to display that on match days. Some can do that with ease and will play every game like it's on the training ground. Others won't .
There are loads of examples of players fulfilling their potential later in their careers and for the majority I suspect the talent and technique was always there, they just weren't able to demonstrate it regularly enough.
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