comment by Ertugrul bey (U19849)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf---throwing money around like confett... (U11551)
posted 12 minutes ago
So we are all agreed then. If you practice religion and believe in any capacity then you need to seek psychiatric help to figure out why you are so insecure and needy.
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As an ex atheist to now a religious person, but anti religion as taught by certain factions, I read these type of threads and comments and listen to certain podcasts etc by likes of Dawkins and think "wow needy much"?

I find certain discussions a waste of time on forums as people pitch in. Would love to have a 1 2 1 with some of the "sky fairies" people.

Fyi I used to say the same thinking it was a gotcha or whatever. Now I realise how absurd it is
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I’d say going from atheist to believer is as needy as it gets.

comment by Ertugrul bey (U19849)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf---throwing money around like confett... (U11551)
posted 12 minutes ago
So we are all agreed then. If you practice religion and believe in any capacity then you need to seek psychiatric help to figure out why you are so insecure and needy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

As an ex atheist to now a religious person, but anti religion as taught by certain factions, I read these type of threads and comments and listen to certain podcasts etc by likes of Dawkins and think "wow needy much"?

I find certain discussions a waste of time on forums as people pitch in. Would love to have a 1 2 1 with some of the "sky fairies" people.

Fyi I used to say the same thinking it was a gotcha or whatever. Now I realise how absurd it is
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Wait, so you didn't believe but now do?

Divorce? Illness? Accident? Head injury?

comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyStuckIntheUK (U11181)
posted 1 minute ago
This whole thread is a cluster mess of people making themselves come across as idiots. Atheists looking like idiots as much as the people they scorn.

An Atheist believes and makes the positive claim there is no God. A Theist does the opposite. Agnostics don't know and then you have those agnostic atheists (pansies that don't want to make the positive claim as they know they can't prove it) and there are even agnostic theists (yes, it's a thing).

Guess what? At some point in your belief, you're believing in fiary tales according to someone else. Sky daddy? Magic custard (Primordial soup)? God of the gaps? Science of the gaps? Science has its limits.

Just know that when the beliefs you stand on, they can be as easily taken apart and belittled. And even the advancement of humankind and the shedding off of religion hasn't stopped wars, or I'll action by humans. We will replace religion with something else, such as race, or nationalism, or enforcing one set of values onto others as we deem them backwards (The French have a history of doing this in a very brutal manner and let's not talk about what Europeans did in Africa i.e. Belgium in the Congo), and carry out horrendous acts in such things.
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So you call people idiots who pour scorn on someone else’s beliefs, then go on to call someone a pansy for being agnostic.

Clever.
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Just being a mirror.

comment by Ertugrul bey (U19849)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf---throwing money around like confett... (U11551)
posted 12 minutes ago
So we are all agreed then. If you practice religion and believe in any capacity then you need to seek psychiatric help to figure out why you are so insecure and needy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

As an ex atheist to now a religious person, but anti religion as taught by certain factions, I read these type of threads and comments and listen to certain podcasts etc by likes of Dawkins and think "wow needy much"?

I find certain discussions a waste of time on forums as people pitch in. Would love to have a 1 2 1 with some of the "sky fairies" people.

Fyi I used to say the same thinking it was a gotcha or whatever. Now I realise how absurd it is
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So, out of interest. What evidence did you see that suddenly made you believe?

Or did you feel that your life needed some wEIrd nonsensical parameters to make you be a better person. #weak

comment by Cinciwolf---throwing money around like confetti (U11551)
posted 23 minutes ago
So we are all agreed then. If you practice religion and believe in any capacity then you need to seek psychiatric help to figure out why you are so insecure and needy.
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Part of the problem is that in order for some organisations to survive and thrive they need to assert themselves and convince people they are needed so get your hand in your pocket and thanks us.

Our monarch passing was a classic case in point. BBC, clergy pontificating that 'I' was disorientated, confused and concerned. Eh, no I wasn't but to fuel dependency that had to be the message to prey on the weak and feeble. Please pay my license fee - less inclined to now after that shat show, thanks. Come to my church. Eh, naw.

Same any time there's a disaster, here they come looking to prey on the vulnerable for new members and cling to declining (in this country at least) relevance. Assure us 'the community is coming together' bollix.

Any time there's a murder the polis suddenly walking the streets to reassure the community - where TF were you when this happened, you are too late and frankly your heightened presence only means that another area is under-represented so more likely to suffer their own murder.

Loada scheite.

comment by Cinciwolf---throwing money around like confetti (U11551)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Ertugrul bey (U19849)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf---throwing money around like confett... (U11551)
posted 12 minutes ago
So we are all agreed then. If you practice religion and believe in any capacity then you need to seek psychiatric help to figure out why you are so insecure and needy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

As an ex atheist to now a religious person, but anti religion as taught by certain factions, I read these type of threads and comments and listen to certain podcasts etc by likes of Dawkins and think "wow needy much"?

I find certain discussions a waste of time on forums as people pitch in. Would love to have a 1 2 1 with some of the "sky fairies" people.

Fyi I used to say the same thinking it was a gotcha or whatever. Now I realise how absurd it is
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Wait, so you didn't believe but now do?

Divorce? Illness? Accident? Head injury?
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Maybe he's just Monkee'ing around?

comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 6 hours, 23 minutes ago
A man has a duty to Provide and protect his woman and by extension and responsibility over her. You guys are the type of men who would let their spouses get gang raped in the name of equality and wouldn’t at least try to defend her because you probably think she can defend herself. This is the type of men you are
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Do you think the morality police are a good thing?

comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 2 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 2 hours, 29 minutes ago
Men and women are not equal as they are not the same . Look at how equal it is during struggles! The men go to war to be killed. You can see this in Ukraine etc. there is no equality as men and woman are different and have different skill sets and responsibilities.
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Kurds have all-women units in their army.
And I've met women who'd knock that schit out if you.
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So why do women complain about safety then, when they can just beat up their own attackers?

You need to stop believing the nonsense you see in the movies.
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You go on about multiverses and tell me to stop believing things I see in movies.
Are the Kurdish all-female army units just made up for television/movies? Do you think there isn't a woman capable of beating a man in a fight?
And no I don't believe I have a soul, but I have a conscience.
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I'm sure there are women who can beat you in a fight, but an exemption doesn't disprove the rule.

As for female army units; who cares? They're not beating a male army.

Also, if you think consciousness, emotions and perception are merely the product of electrical signals in your brain, then that's another silly belief.

comment by Cinciwolf---throwing money around like confetti (U11551)
posted 54 minutes ago
So we are all agreed then. If you practice religion and believe in any capacity then you need to seek psychiatric help to figure out why you are so insecure and needy.
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Why then has mental health problems increased exponentially in today's atheists age? Answer me that.

comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Ertugrul bey (U19849)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf---throwing money around like confett... (U11551)
posted 12 minutes ago
So we are all agreed then. If you practice religion and believe in any capacity then you need to seek psychiatric help to figure out why you are so insecure and needy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

As an ex atheist to now a religious person, but anti religion as taught by certain factions, I read these type of threads and comments and listen to certain podcasts etc by likes of Dawkins and think "wow needy much"?

I find certain discussions a waste of time on forums as people pitch in. Would love to have a 1 2 1 with some of the "sky fairies" people.

Fyi I used to say the same thinking it was a gotcha or whatever. Now I realise how absurd it is
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I’d say going from atheist to believer is as needy as it gets.
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Do you think?

I just found, and still find, that atheistic arguments were ignorant. Often founded on belief that was mine and not of the religious. NOTE here I'm not talking of your local Christian/Muslim or rabbi/priest/ imam.

I think nothing is more insecure than insults and arguments based on ignorant beliefs.

comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cinciwolf---throwing money around like confetti (U11551)
posted 54 minutes ago
So we are all agreed then. If you practice religion and believe in any capacity then you need to seek psychiatric help to figure out why you are so insecure and needy.
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Why then has mental health problems increased exponentially in today's atheists age? Answer me that.
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How long have you got? I honestly hope you are not suggesting that people not following religion is a cause?

comment by Ertugrul bey (U19849)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Ertugrul bey (U19849)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf---throwing money around like confett... (U11551)
posted 12 minutes ago
So we are all agreed then. If you practice religion and believe in any capacity then you need to seek psychiatric help to figure out why you are so insecure and needy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

As an ex atheist to now a religious person, but anti religion as taught by certain factions, I read these type of threads and comments and listen to certain podcasts etc by likes of Dawkins and think "wow needy much"?

I find certain discussions a waste of time on forums as people pitch in. Would love to have a 1 2 1 with some of the "sky fairies" people.

Fyi I used to say the same thinking it was a gotcha or whatever. Now I realise how absurd it is
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I’d say going from atheist to believer is as needy as it gets.
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Do you think?

I just found, and still find, that atheistic arguments were ignorant. Often founded on belief that was mine and not of the religious. NOTE here I'm not talking of your local Christian/Muslim or rabbi/priest/ imam.

I think nothing is more insecure than insults and arguments based on ignorant beliefs.
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Atheist arguments are not ignorant. Proove that there is a god and then you will have beleivers. Nothing ignorant about calling something based on make beleive a load of nonsense. To be clear, I don't believe in Santa Claus either.

comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 1 hour, 41 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 1 hour, 36 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 14 hours, 20 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf---throwing money around like confetti (U11551)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
Speaking as an atheist/agnostic, can we please stop with the sky fairies remark.
First of all you don't know, far far cleverer people than you have believed.
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Feck off with that shiiiite.
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So reasonably put. Pithy, witty and almost in the English language
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It doesn't justify a sensible answer though, there's no sensible part to believing that our species has figured out/chosen the right god out of the millions of God's people have made up over the years. Sky fairies is what they are.
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There, I knew you would get it wrong.
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It isn't wrong though is it?

There is quite literally zero evidence of any single god existing. Quite literally no different than believing pixies are at the bottom of the garden or Santa Claus rides reindeer around at xmas.
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You do realise that the scientific laws that exist in this universe are not the same outside of it?

It's a whole different reality one cannot imagine.
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Okay. How do you know this? Do you live in an alternate reality? Do you visit his alternate reality often? And if one cannot imagine it...
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Obviously outside of the material universe there will be a different reality to what we know, different dimensions even. Ask the scientists.
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They could call things different and define them different but unless their science behaves different they would just be another system like metric versus imperial.

I can recommend the book Exactly by Simon Winchester - a great read how we arrive at our SI units and how they are still being redefined today - even the metre was redefined in 1983!
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This universe and it's rules are shaped by matter and how it behaves. Outside of a material universe, things would behave differently.

comment by Cinciwolf---throwing money around like confetti (U11551)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cinciwolf---throwing money around like confetti (U11551)
posted 54 minutes ago
So we are all agreed then. If you practice religion and believe in any capacity then you need to seek psychiatric help to figure out why you are so insecure and needy.
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Why then has mental health problems increased exponentially in today's atheists age? Answer me that.
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How long have you got? I honestly hope you are not suggesting that people not following religion is a cause?
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I believe materialism and a lack of spirituality is a cause.

Go ahead and list your causes.

comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cinciwolf---throwing money around like confetti (U11551)
posted 54 minutes ago
So we are all agreed then. If you practice religion and believe in any capacity then you need to seek psychiatric help to figure out why you are so insecure and needy.
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Why then has mental health problems increased exponentially in today's atheists age? Answer me that.
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Has it increased, or is it just more noticeable when every person has a voice on social media? Or possibly we have more treatments for more illnesses we didn't really know existed before for pharmaceutical companies (discovered) these mental diseases.

comment by Cinciwolf---throwing money around like confett... (U11551)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Ertugrul bey (U19849)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf---throwing money around like confett... (U11551)
posted 12 minutes ago
So we are all agreed then. If you practice religion and believe in any capacity then you need to seek psychiatric help to figure out why you are so insecure and needy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

As an ex atheist to now a religious person, but anti religion as taught by certain factions, I read these type of threads and comments and listen to certain podcasts etc by likes of Dawkins and think "wow needy much"?

I find certain discussions a waste of time on forums as people pitch in. Would love to have a 1 2 1 with some of the "sky fairies" people.

Fyi I used to say the same thinking it was a gotcha or whatever. Now I realise how absurd it is
----------------------------------------------------------------------

So, out of interest. What evidence did you see that suddenly made you believe?

Or did you feel that your life needed some wEIrd nonsensical parameters to make you be a better person. #weak


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I was out and about doing my thing. Arguing with religious folk and such.

I always had the questions of purpose of life, why are we here etc. Don't think that's abnormal.

I fell into an argument with a guy who was very well versed and answered pretty much everything I needed.

I obviously went away laughing at him and belittling his arguments but it just arose my curiosity.

I looked into things and for me it showed me my insecurities, weaknesses, following the crowd etc. Which is what I see now with the whole spaghetti monster and what not.

I was part of a discussion where Dawkins was present with the above guy and he tore Dawkins apart. To the point Dawkins accepted a creator. Something he has done since too. Sure like me earlier he tried to add a twist to it but it was what it was.

Since then I spent a lot of time learning what religions actually say and not what I thought they said and a lot more stuff starting making sense.

This is just my journey and I am where I am. I don't push it on others and don't expect others to push their views on me.

I don't buy into the church and mosque and synagogue view/version of religion or God.

I looked into things and for me it showed me my insecurities, weaknesses, following the crowd etc. Which is what I see now with the whole spaghetti monster and what not.

---------------------------------

You realise following the crowd is joining organised religion right and not believing is just being normal and not following any crowd.

comment by Cinciwolf---throwing money around like confett... (U11551)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Ertugrul bey (U19849)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Ertugrul bey (U19849)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf---throwing money around like confett... (U11551)
posted 12 minutes ago
So we are all agreed then. If you practice religion and believe in any capacity then you need to seek psychiatric help to figure out why you are so insecure and needy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

As an ex atheist to now a religious person, but anti religion as taught by certain factions, I read these type of threads and comments and listen to certain podcasts etc by likes of Dawkins and think "wow needy much"?

I find certain discussions a waste of time on forums as people pitch in. Would love to have a 1 2 1 with some of the "sky fairies" people.

Fyi I used to say the same thinking it was a gotcha or whatever. Now I realise how absurd it is
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I’d say going from atheist to believer is as needy as it gets.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Do you think?

I just found, and still find, that atheistic arguments were ignorant. Often founded on belief that was mine and not of the religious. NOTE here I'm not talking of your local Christian/Muslim or rabbi/priest/ imam.

I think nothing is more insecure than insults and arguments based on ignorant beliefs.
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Atheist arguments are not ignorant. Proove that there is a god and then you will have beleivers. Nothing ignorant about calling something based on make beleive a load of nonsense. To be clear, I don't believe in Santa Claus either.
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Your Santa argument is proof of ignorance.

What proof would be sufficient for you?

comment by Ertugrul bey (U19849)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cinciwolf---throwing money around like confett... (U11551)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Ertugrul bey (U19849)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Ertugrul bey (U19849)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf---throwing money around like confett... (U11551)
posted 12 minutes ago
So we are all agreed then. If you practice religion and believe in any capacity then you need to seek psychiatric help to figure out why you are so insecure and needy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

As an ex atheist to now a religious person, but anti religion as taught by certain factions, I read these type of threads and comments and listen to certain podcasts etc by likes of Dawkins and think "wow needy much"?

I find certain discussions a waste of time on forums as people pitch in. Would love to have a 1 2 1 with some of the "sky fairies" people.

Fyi I used to say the same thinking it was a gotcha or whatever. Now I realise how absurd it is
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I’d say going from atheist to believer is as needy as it gets.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Do you think?

I just found, and still find, that atheistic arguments were ignorant. Often founded on belief that was mine and not of the religious. NOTE here I'm not talking of your local Christian/Muslim or rabbi/priest/ imam.

I think nothing is more insecure than insults and arguments based on ignorant beliefs.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Atheist arguments are not ignorant. Proove that there is a god and then you will have beleivers. Nothing ignorant about calling something based on make beleive a load of nonsense. To be clear, I don't believe in Santa Claus either.
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Your Santa argument is proof of ignorance.

What proof would be sufficient for you?
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How so? Neither have any evidence of existence

comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cinciwolf---throwing money around like confetti (U11551)
posted 54 minutes ago
So we are all agreed then. If you practice religion and believe in any capacity then you need to seek psychiatric help to figure out why you are so insecure and needy.
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Why then has mental health problems increased exponentially in today's atheists age? Answer me that.
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Has it increased, or is it just more noticeable when every person has a voice on social media? Or possibly we have more treatments for more illnesses we didn't really know existed before for pharmaceutical companies (discovered) these mental diseases.
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You mean phycologists with papers to justify their existence and coin to gather on the back of it defining new conditions and convincing people they have it? That darned dependence thing again?

Actually, I'm not that cynical or stupid! There are loads of unique conditions and people benefitting from both diagnosis and care, where available. However, I also believe there's a proportion that actually want to have conditions so they can be a feeble victim - we all know a few, right?

"He's ADHD so he is." No he's just a badly brought up and behaved child that gets given more E numbers than the Essex DVLA.

Similar with all the various sexual and gender categories I think some people are predispositioned but some also are 'seeking something' and alight on homosexuality or other definition through trend, attention, contrarianism etc?

comment by Ertugrul bey (U19849)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf---throwing money around like confett... (U11551)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Ertugrul bey (U19849)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf---throwing money around like confett... (U11551)
posted 12 minutes ago
So we are all agreed then. If you practice religion and believe in any capacity then you need to seek psychiatric help to figure out why you are so insecure and needy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

As an ex atheist to now a religious person, but anti religion as taught by certain factions, I read these type of threads and comments and listen to certain podcasts etc by likes of Dawkins and think "wow needy much"?

I find certain discussions a waste of time on forums as people pitch in. Would love to have a 1 2 1 with some of the "sky fairies" people.

Fyi I used to say the same thinking it was a gotcha or whatever. Now I realise how absurd it is
----------------------------------------------------------------------

So, out of interest. What evidence did you see that suddenly made you believe?

Or did you feel that your life needed some wEIrd nonsensical parameters to make you be a better person. #weak


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I was out and about doing my thing. Arguing with religious folk and such.

I always had the questions of purpose of life, why are we here etc. Don't think that's abnormal.

I fell into an argument with a guy who was very well versed and answered pretty much everything I needed.

I obviously went away laughing at him and belittling his arguments but it just arose my curiosity.

I looked into things and for me it showed me my insecurities, weaknesses, following the crowd etc. Which is what I see now with the whole spaghetti monster and what not.

I was part of a discussion where Dawkins was present with the above guy and he tore Dawkins apart. To the point Dawkins accepted a creator. Something he has done since too. Sure like me earlier he tried to add a twist to it but it was what it was.

Since then I spent a lot of time learning what religions actually say and not what I thought they said and a lot more stuff starting making sense.

This is just my journey and I am where I am. I don't push it on others and don't expect others to push their views on me.

I don't buy into the church and mosque and synagogue view/version of religion or God.
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So what you're describing is what I believe is called spirituality. You're own inward looking struggle. I can understand this. But to follow a specific religion with specific dogma is not the same.

comment by Cinciwolf---throwing money around like confett... (U11551)
posted 1 minute ago
I looked into things and for me it showed me my insecurities, weaknesses, following the crowd etc. Which is what I see now with the whole spaghetti monster and what not.

---------------------------------

You realise following the crowd is joining organised religion right and not believing is just being normal and not following any crowd.
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Not in the slightest.

Atheism for me is the new "religion". Note it's in inverted commas. A more appropriate word would be trend/fad etc.

The arguments are all the same. Fairies, spaghetti monster, can he lift a rock, why is there suffering etc. The "prophets" of today are your Dawkins and hitches and bleeding Gervais.

If I was following the crowd I'd be in a mosque, synagogue and or church. I spend more time arguing with them than I do with atheists on a day to day level.

I'm as a much a "stranger" amongst the religious fraternity as I am with the atheist.

My basis for this is because I find religious people as, if not more, ignorant of their faith as I do atheists. The big bearded guy in the sky was a religious invention not an atheist one. And is ridiculous by the very nature of what religions taught.

Here I mean the Abrahamic religions.

comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 1 hour, 41 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 1 hour, 36 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 14 hours, 20 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf---throwing money around like confetti (U11551)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
Speaking as an atheist/agnostic, can we please stop with the sky fairies remark.
First of all you don't know, far far cleverer people than you have believed.
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Feck off with that shiiiite.
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So reasonably put. Pithy, witty and almost in the English language
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It doesn't justify a sensible answer though, there's no sensible part to believing that our species has figured out/chosen the right god out of the millions of God's people have made up over the years. Sky fairies is what they are.
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There, I knew you would get it wrong.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

It isn't wrong though is it?

There is quite literally zero evidence of any single god existing. Quite literally no different than believing pixies are at the bottom of the garden or Santa Claus rides reindeer around at xmas.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You do realise that the scientific laws that exist in this universe are not the same outside of it?

It's a whole different reality one cannot imagine.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Okay. How do you know this? Do you live in an alternate reality? Do you visit his alternate reality often? And if one cannot imagine it...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Obviously outside of the material universe there will be a different reality to what we know, different dimensions even. Ask the scientists.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They could call things different and define them different but unless their science behaves different they would just be another system like metric versus imperial.

I can recommend the book Exactly by Simon Winchester - a great read how we arrive at our SI units and how they are still being redefined today - even the metre was redefined in 1983!
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This universe and it's rules are shaped by matter and how it behaves. Outside of a material universe, things would behave differently.
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Maybes aye, maybes naw.

comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Ertugrul bey (U19849)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf---throwing money around like confett... (U11551)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Ertugrul bey (U19849)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf---throwing money around like confett... (U11551)
posted 12 minutes ago
So we are all agreed then. If you practice religion and believe in any capacity then you need to seek psychiatric help to figure out why you are so insecure and needy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

As an ex atheist to now a religious person, but anti religion as taught by certain factions, I read these type of threads and comments and listen to certain podcasts etc by likes of Dawkins and think "wow needy much"?

I find certain discussions a waste of time on forums as people pitch in. Would love to have a 1 2 1 with some of the "sky fairies" people.

Fyi I used to say the same thinking it was a gotcha or whatever. Now I realise how absurd it is
----------------------------------------------------------------------

So, out of interest. What evidence did you see that suddenly made you believe?

Or did you feel that your life needed some wEIrd nonsensical parameters to make you be a better person. #weak


----------------------------------------------------------------------

I was out and about doing my thing. Arguing with religious folk and such.

I always had the questions of purpose of life, why are we here etc. Don't think that's abnormal.

I fell into an argument with a guy who was very well versed and answered pretty much everything I needed.

I obviously went away laughing at him and belittling his arguments but it just arose my curiosity.

I looked into things and for me it showed me my insecurities, weaknesses, following the crowd etc. Which is what I see now with the whole spaghetti monster and what not.

I was part of a discussion where Dawkins was present with the above guy and he tore Dawkins apart. To the point Dawkins accepted a creator. Something he has done since too. Sure like me earlier he tried to add a twist to it but it was what it was.

Since then I spent a lot of time learning what religions actually say and not what I thought they said and a lot more stuff starting making sense.

This is just my journey and I am where I am. I don't push it on others and don't expect others to push their views on me.

I don't buy into the church and mosque and synagogue view/version of religion or God.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So what you're describing is what I believe is called spirituality. You're own inward looking struggle. I can understand this. But to follow a specific religion with specific dogma is not the same.
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This is fair. To a point.

The reason I say to a point is because I don't think what we know or see as religion today (as propogated by the religious) is "true" religion.

When I look at what some folk follow, or claim to follow, I would ask them is that what Islam/Christianity,Judaism says/claims and/or is?

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So we are all agreed then. If you practice religion and believe in any capacity then you need to seek psychiatric help to figure out why you are so insecure and needy.
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As an ex atheist to now a religious person, but anti religion as taught by certain factions, I read these type of threads and comments and listen to certain podcasts etc by likes of Dawkins and think "wow needy much"?

I find certain discussions a waste of time on forums as people pitch in. Would love to have a 1 2 1 with some of the "sky fairies" people.

Fyi I used to say the same thinking it was a gotcha or whatever. Now I realise how absurd it is
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I’d say going from atheist to believer is as needy as it gets.
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Do you think?

I just found, and still find, that atheistic arguments were ignorant. Often founded on belief that was mine and not of the religious. NOTE here I'm not talking of your local Christian/Muslim or rabbi/priest/ imam.

I think nothing is more insecure than insults and arguments based on ignorant beliefs.
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Atheist arguments are not ignorant. Proove that there is a god and then you will have beleivers. Nothing ignorant about calling something based on make beleive a load of nonsense. To be clear, I don't believe in Santa Claus either.
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Your Santa argument is proof of ignorance.

What proof would be sufficient for you?
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How so? Neither have any evidence of existence
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Tell me first what you would see as proof/evidence


Then I can try and give a more appropriate response imo