https://youtu.be/ctAf6Xsy9j4
There was a freeze frame where it looked to me like Kane was ahead of the ball.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 16 minutes ago
https://youtu.be/ctAf6Xsy9j4
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Cockneys
comment by Ace (U22861)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Citizen Smeg. North London is alwhite (U6574)
posted 14 minutes ago
So if you’re in an offside position when a ball is passed backwards to you, you are offside. Is that correct?
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That’s right.
It doesn’t usually come into play because usually, passing a ball backwards to someone means they’re behind the ball.
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Not if you are behind the ball, as is usually the case.
If you are in front of the ball, then you are offside, but it’s very unusual to be in front of the ball and receive a backwards pass as Kane did. It only happened because it deflected forward to him from the defender.
It was a very anomalous situation.
The crux for me is, how could they determine that Kane was ahead of the ball? I don’t think they could, and it took them 4 minutes to come to that conclusion which shows that it wasn’t clear and that they were essentially taking a punt on it.
The letter of the law was applied, but for me they should’ve allowed the goal as they simply couldn’t 100% guarantee Kane was ahead of the ball.
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They used the same technology they use for every offside decisions, which showed that Kane was in front of the ball. They placed one line at the furthest forward point of the ball, and another line at the furthest forward point of Kane. Kane's line was further forward.
Is it the same technology where they intentionally bent the line so that Liverpool would have a goal ruled out* or has it been updated?
* Source: TOOR.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 5 minutes ago
Is it the same technology where they intentionally bent the line so that Liverpool would have a goal ruled out* or has it been updated?
* Source: TOOR.
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comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
Is it the same technology where they intentionally bent the line so that Liverpool would have a goal ruled out* or has it been updated?
* Source: TOOR.
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I don't really understand the point of this comment. You seem to be suggesting that VAR is incorrect on this occasion because a Liverpool fan once claimed (almost certainly without evidence but im not familiar with the comment TOOR made) it had been manipulated to cheat Liverpool?
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
Is it the same technology where they intentionally bent the line so that Liverpool would have a goal ruled out* or has it been updated?
* Source: TOOR.
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I don't really understand the point of this comment. You seem to be suggesting that VAR is incorrect on this occasion because a Liverpool fan once claimed (almost certainly without evidence but im not familiar with the comment TOOR made) it had been manipulated to cheat Liverpool?
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Ah well, if you can't figure it out then so be it.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
Is it the same technology where they intentionally bent the line so that Liverpool would have a goal ruled out* or has it been updated?
* Source: TOOR.
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I don't really understand the point of this comment. You seem to be suggesting that VAR is incorrect on this occasion because a Liverpool fan once claimed (almost certainly without evidence but im not familiar with the comment TOOR made) it had been manipulated to cheat Liverpool?
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Ah well, if you can't figure it out then so be it.
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Fair enough. It seems neither of us can explain the point of your comment. So be it.
Oh I can, but I am bored of you already.
TOOR will understand, that's the main thing.
I’ve just realised that I’ve been looking at the stills all wrong. I kept looking at it thinking Emerson Royal plays Kane onside thinking how could he possibly be offside but it’s clear that he’s ahead of the last Lisbon defender.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 9 minutes ago
Oh I can, but I am bored of you already.
TOOR will understand, that's the main thing.
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I don't understand. I never said they 'bent' lines.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 9 minutes ago
Oh I can, but I am bored of you already.
TOOR will understand, that's the main thing.
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I don't understand. I never said they 'bent' lines.
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Winston can't even explain his own comment. He is also adamant that had the goal been given then Sporting fans wouldn't have batted an eyelid.
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 9 minutes ago
Oh I can, but I am bored of you already.
TOOR will understand, that's the main thing.
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I don't understand. I never said they 'bent' lines.
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Winston can't even explain his own comment. He is also adamant that had the goal been given then Sporting fans wouldn't have batted an eyelid.
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It's one of those ones that's so tight, no matter which way it went, somebody was gonna be annoyed. Certainly if you're against VAR you're gonna claim everybody would have been fine had VAR not called it.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 9 minutes ago
Oh I can, but I am bored of you already.
TOOR will understand, that's the main thing.
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I don't understand. I never said they 'bent' lines.
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What did you say then, when you claimed the lines were intentionally manipulated in order to favour the opposition?
Or have you forgotten?
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 9 minutes ago
Oh I can, but I am bored of you already.
TOOR will understand, that's the main thing.
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I don't understand. I never said they 'bent' lines.
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Winston can't even explain his own comment. He is also adamant that had the goal been given then Sporting fans wouldn't have batted an eyelid.
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It's one of those ones that's so tight, no matter which way it went, somebody was gonna be annoyed. Certainly if you're against VAR you're gonna claim everybody would have been fine had VAR not called it.
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And also if you're an idiot.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 9 minutes ago
Oh I can, but I am bored of you already.
TOOR will understand, that's the main thing.
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I don't understand. I never said they 'bent' lines.
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What did you say then, when you claimed the lines were intentionally manipulated in order to favour the opposition?
Or have you forgotten?
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No I remember but it wasn't that the lines were bent. I believe, and I'm not 100% on this as it was some time ago, I stated that the dotted lines down to the actual lines were diagonal. Think it may have been a Mane disallowed goal.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 9 minutes ago
Oh I can, but I am bored of you already.
TOOR will understand, that's the main thing.
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I don't understand. I never said they 'bent' lines.
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What did you say then, when you claimed the lines were intentionally manipulated in order to favour the opposition?
Or have you forgotten?
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No I remember but it wasn't that the lines were bent. I believe, and I'm not 100% on this as it was some time ago, I stated that the dotted lines down to the actual lines were diagonal. Think it may have been a Mane disallowed goal.
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Right, so either way, the official decided to manipulate the lines to ensure Liverpool were punished.
Kind of ruins welshpool's assertion that the technology is straightforward and non-debatable.
Perhaps you two should talk.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 9 minutes ago
Oh I can, but I am bored of you already.
TOOR will understand, that's the main thing.
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I don't understand. I never said they 'bent' lines.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What did you say then, when you claimed the lines were intentionally manipulated in order to favour the opposition?
Or have you forgotten?
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No I remember but it wasn't that the lines were bent. I believe, and I'm not 100% on this as it was some time ago, I stated that the dotted lines down to the actual lines were diagonal. Think it may have been a Mane disallowed goal.
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Right, so either way, the official decided to manipulate the lines to ensure Liverpool were punished.
Kind of ruins welshpool's assertion that the technology is straightforward and non-debatable.
Perhaps you two should talk.
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It doesn't really. It actually has no bearing on my point. Shame the point was a bit too complex for you
Yes it does welshpool, it's just that as usual, your tunnel vision means you're incapable of understanding anything outside of your own view.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
Yes it does welshpool, it's just that as usual, your tunnel vision means you're incapable of understanding anything outside of your own view.
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No, I'm just competent enough to be able to point out all the times you are wrong. In almost all of those occasions there are multiple people doing the same thing so the common denominator is usually dishonest Winnie.
Now that we have cleared that up I'm going to leave you to it. We know you are incapable of not getting the last word I so you can feel like you have somehow won so I won't deprive you of what little achievements you can get.
The usual ramblings.
No, welshpool - you don't understand. If you were even half as intelligent as you think you are, you'd be dangerous.
As it is, you're just an angry man on the Internet who can't admit he's wrong and needs things in neat little boxes, because he works in some sort of crappy middle management job and doesn't possess the skills to succeed in life.
The frustration oozes out of you.
Welshpool
"Just one decision going our way could have meant Liverpool won the title"
"I didn't link refereeing decisions with finishing positions"
Also Welshpool:
"I can admit when I'm wrong"
An all time classic of JA606.
https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article28339597.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_Screenshot-13921.jpg
What i dont get about hpw they have drawn the lines is that the blue line goes from Emersons head, on the right side and passes down through his left shoulder. How can that be right.
Also, if you drew a shadow on the ground directly under the ball then the shadow of the ball would be up to but not beyond the blue line. it would not look right whatsoever and would imply that Emersons entire body if closer to the goal that the ball. He is at a slight angle in the air but its not so much as to make the sort of alignment that this VAR decision is reaching.
Anyway, i thought UCL VAR used a new system:
https://twitter.com/PoorEPLreferees/status/1567211772385312768
which did away with bent refs drawing lines badly.
*is closer to the goal than the ball
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posted on 27/10/22
https://youtu.be/ctAf6Xsy9j4
posted on 27/10/22
There was a freeze frame where it looked to me like Kane was ahead of the ball.
posted on 27/10/22
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 16 minutes ago
https://youtu.be/ctAf6Xsy9j4
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Cockneys
posted on 27/10/22
comment by Ace (U22861)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Citizen Smeg. North London is alwhite (U6574)
posted 14 minutes ago
So if you’re in an offside position when a ball is passed backwards to you, you are offside. Is that correct?
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That’s right.
It doesn’t usually come into play because usually, passing a ball backwards to someone means they’re behind the ball.
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Not if you are behind the ball, as is usually the case.
If you are in front of the ball, then you are offside, but it’s very unusual to be in front of the ball and receive a backwards pass as Kane did. It only happened because it deflected forward to him from the defender.
It was a very anomalous situation.
The crux for me is, how could they determine that Kane was ahead of the ball? I don’t think they could, and it took them 4 minutes to come to that conclusion which shows that it wasn’t clear and that they were essentially taking a punt on it.
The letter of the law was applied, but for me they should’ve allowed the goal as they simply couldn’t 100% guarantee Kane was ahead of the ball.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They used the same technology they use for every offside decisions, which showed that Kane was in front of the ball. They placed one line at the furthest forward point of the ball, and another line at the furthest forward point of Kane. Kane's line was further forward.
posted on 27/10/22
Is it the same technology where they intentionally bent the line so that Liverpool would have a goal ruled out* or has it been updated?
* Source: TOOR.
posted on 27/10/22
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 5 minutes ago
Is it the same technology where they intentionally bent the line so that Liverpool would have a goal ruled out* or has it been updated?
* Source: TOOR.
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posted on 27/10/22
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
Is it the same technology where they intentionally bent the line so that Liverpool would have a goal ruled out* or has it been updated?
* Source: TOOR.
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I don't really understand the point of this comment. You seem to be suggesting that VAR is incorrect on this occasion because a Liverpool fan once claimed (almost certainly without evidence but im not familiar with the comment TOOR made) it had been manipulated to cheat Liverpool?
posted on 27/10/22
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
Is it the same technology where they intentionally bent the line so that Liverpool would have a goal ruled out* or has it been updated?
* Source: TOOR.
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I don't really understand the point of this comment. You seem to be suggesting that VAR is incorrect on this occasion because a Liverpool fan once claimed (almost certainly without evidence but im not familiar with the comment TOOR made) it had been manipulated to cheat Liverpool?
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Ah well, if you can't figure it out then so be it.
posted on 27/10/22
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
Is it the same technology where they intentionally bent the line so that Liverpool would have a goal ruled out* or has it been updated?
* Source: TOOR.
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I don't really understand the point of this comment. You seem to be suggesting that VAR is incorrect on this occasion because a Liverpool fan once claimed (almost certainly without evidence but im not familiar with the comment TOOR made) it had been manipulated to cheat Liverpool?
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Ah well, if you can't figure it out then so be it.
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Fair enough. It seems neither of us can explain the point of your comment. So be it.
posted on 27/10/22
Oh I can, but I am bored of you already.
TOOR will understand, that's the main thing.
posted on 27/10/22
I’ve just realised that I’ve been looking at the stills all wrong. I kept looking at it thinking Emerson Royal plays Kane onside thinking how could he possibly be offside but it’s clear that he’s ahead of the last Lisbon defender.
posted on 27/10/22
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 9 minutes ago
Oh I can, but I am bored of you already.
TOOR will understand, that's the main thing.
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I don't understand. I never said they 'bent' lines.
posted on 27/10/22
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 9 minutes ago
Oh I can, but I am bored of you already.
TOOR will understand, that's the main thing.
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I don't understand. I never said they 'bent' lines.
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Winston can't even explain his own comment. He is also adamant that had the goal been given then Sporting fans wouldn't have batted an eyelid.
posted on 27/10/22
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 9 minutes ago
Oh I can, but I am bored of you already.
TOOR will understand, that's the main thing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't understand. I never said they 'bent' lines.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Winston can't even explain his own comment. He is also adamant that had the goal been given then Sporting fans wouldn't have batted an eyelid.
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It's one of those ones that's so tight, no matter which way it went, somebody was gonna be annoyed. Certainly if you're against VAR you're gonna claim everybody would have been fine had VAR not called it.
posted on 27/10/22
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 9 minutes ago
Oh I can, but I am bored of you already.
TOOR will understand, that's the main thing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't understand. I never said they 'bent' lines.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What did you say then, when you claimed the lines were intentionally manipulated in order to favour the opposition?
Or have you forgotten?
posted on 27/10/22
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 9 minutes ago
Oh I can, but I am bored of you already.
TOOR will understand, that's the main thing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't understand. I never said they 'bent' lines.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Winston can't even explain his own comment. He is also adamant that had the goal been given then Sporting fans wouldn't have batted an eyelid.
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It's one of those ones that's so tight, no matter which way it went, somebody was gonna be annoyed. Certainly if you're against VAR you're gonna claim everybody would have been fine had VAR not called it.
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And also if you're an idiot.
posted on 27/10/22
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 9 minutes ago
Oh I can, but I am bored of you already.
TOOR will understand, that's the main thing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't understand. I never said they 'bent' lines.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What did you say then, when you claimed the lines were intentionally manipulated in order to favour the opposition?
Or have you forgotten?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No I remember but it wasn't that the lines were bent. I believe, and I'm not 100% on this as it was some time ago, I stated that the dotted lines down to the actual lines were diagonal. Think it may have been a Mane disallowed goal.
posted on 27/10/22
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 9 minutes ago
Oh I can, but I am bored of you already.
TOOR will understand, that's the main thing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't understand. I never said they 'bent' lines.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What did you say then, when you claimed the lines were intentionally manipulated in order to favour the opposition?
Or have you forgotten?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No I remember but it wasn't that the lines were bent. I believe, and I'm not 100% on this as it was some time ago, I stated that the dotted lines down to the actual lines were diagonal. Think it may have been a Mane disallowed goal.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Right, so either way, the official decided to manipulate the lines to ensure Liverpool were punished.
Kind of ruins welshpool's assertion that the technology is straightforward and non-debatable.
Perhaps you two should talk.
posted on 27/10/22
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 9 minutes ago
Oh I can, but I am bored of you already.
TOOR will understand, that's the main thing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't understand. I never said they 'bent' lines.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What did you say then, when you claimed the lines were intentionally manipulated in order to favour the opposition?
Or have you forgotten?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No I remember but it wasn't that the lines were bent. I believe, and I'm not 100% on this as it was some time ago, I stated that the dotted lines down to the actual lines were diagonal. Think it may have been a Mane disallowed goal.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Right, so either way, the official decided to manipulate the lines to ensure Liverpool were punished.
Kind of ruins welshpool's assertion that the technology is straightforward and non-debatable.
Perhaps you two should talk.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It doesn't really. It actually has no bearing on my point. Shame the point was a bit too complex for you
posted on 27/10/22
Yes it does welshpool, it's just that as usual, your tunnel vision means you're incapable of understanding anything outside of your own view.
posted on 27/10/22
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
Yes it does welshpool, it's just that as usual, your tunnel vision means you're incapable of understanding anything outside of your own view.
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No, I'm just competent enough to be able to point out all the times you are wrong. In almost all of those occasions there are multiple people doing the same thing so the common denominator is usually dishonest Winnie.
Now that we have cleared that up I'm going to leave you to it. We know you are incapable of not getting the last word I so you can feel like you have somehow won so I won't deprive you of what little achievements you can get.
posted on 27/10/22
The usual ramblings.
No, welshpool - you don't understand. If you were even half as intelligent as you think you are, you'd be dangerous.
As it is, you're just an angry man on the Internet who can't admit he's wrong and needs things in neat little boxes, because he works in some sort of crappy middle management job and doesn't possess the skills to succeed in life.
The frustration oozes out of you.
posted on 27/10/22
Welshpool
"Just one decision going our way could have meant Liverpool won the title"
"I didn't link refereeing decisions with finishing positions"
Also Welshpool:
"I can admit when I'm wrong"
An all time classic of JA606.
posted on 27/10/22
https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article28339597.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_Screenshot-13921.jpg
What i dont get about hpw they have drawn the lines is that the blue line goes from Emersons head, on the right side and passes down through his left shoulder. How can that be right.
Also, if you drew a shadow on the ground directly under the ball then the shadow of the ball would be up to but not beyond the blue line. it would not look right whatsoever and would imply that Emersons entire body if closer to the goal that the ball. He is at a slight angle in the air but its not so much as to make the sort of alignment that this VAR decision is reaching.
Anyway, i thought UCL VAR used a new system:
https://twitter.com/PoorEPLreferees/status/1567211772385312768
which did away with bent refs drawing lines badly.
posted on 27/10/22
*is closer to the goal than the ball
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