This is the debate I’ve had with some Liverpool fans before, when Salah is throwing himself on the floor.

Contact alone doesn’t mean it’s a pen. The referee has to be satisfied the extent of the contact was enough to be a foul.

KDB is exaggerating the extent of the contact by throwing himself to the floor.

Could it be a pen? Possibly, but it’s extremely difficult to judge the challenge properly when the player is cheating like that and the most probable outcome is that the referee believed the contact was far greater than it actually was, because of the cheating.

Its a pen. You cant just kick someone

comment by Rouge (U19907)
posted 35 seconds ago
Its a pen. You cant just kick someone
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But there is a scenario where you catch someone with a very light kick and it’s not enough to be deemed a foul.

Not a single Fulham player appealed, VAR didn't even check it.

Winston knows best though.

Thought it was a clear pen at the time but having seen the replays this morning, man that is so soft. He barely touches KdB

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 17 minutes ago
Not a single Fulham player appealed, VAR didn't even check it.

Winston knows best though.
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Thought the lack of protest from Fulham said a lot too, surely they would of pushed for a review given what was at stake?

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 26 minutes ago
Not a single Fulham player appealed, VAR didn't even check it.

Winston knows best though.
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Just giving my opinion and reasons for it.

No need to cry about it.

comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 17 minutes ago
Not a single Fulham player appealed, VAR didn't even check it.

Winston knows best though.
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Thought the lack of protest from Fulham said a lot too, surely they would of pushed for a review given what was at stake?
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A review wouldn’t overturn that though.

Doesn’t mean it’s not a clear dive.

It was a blatant dive and desperate, theres contact but not enough to go down especially like KDB did Ref got sold a dive and bought it, VAR couldnt overturn it cause there was contact, not enough for a pen and should have been sent to the monitor for a second look but we know they rarely do if theres slight evidence of contact or w.e. If he'd have gone to the monitor im pretty sure he'd have overturned his original decision.

What makes it worse is theyre letting far worse go in the middle of the park now, dont give soft free kicks a lot of the time. So its even more sad seeing pens given for stuff like that.

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 40 minutes ago
Not a single Fulham player appealed, VAR didn't even check it.

Winston knows best though.
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Why would anyone appeal? Everyone was waiting for something like that. Convenient that VAR didn't check it. This is Manchester City after all.

Another match day another debate.

Even if they give the pen they still have to book KDB for simulation.

comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 6 minutes ago
It was a blatant dive and desperate, theres contact but not enough to go down especially like KDB didRef got sold a dive and bought it, VAR couldnt overturn it cause there was contact, not enough for a pen and should have been sent to the monitor for a second look but we know they rarely do if theres slight evidence of contact or w.e. If he'd have gone to the monitor im pretty sure he'd have overturned his original decision.
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Yet when it's Salah, you say he's 'gone down easy' but it's still a foul, right?

Why do they allow all the irritating holding and pushing at corners and set pieces without giving penalties, but if you brush somebody's leg, they dive 5 seconds later and it's a penalty.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 6 minutes ago
It was a blatant dive and desperate, theres contact but not enough to go down especially like KDB didRef got sold a dive and bought it, VAR couldnt overturn it cause there was contact, not enough for a pen and should have been sent to the monitor for a second look but we know they rarely do if theres slight evidence of contact or w.e. If he'd have gone to the monitor im pretty sure he'd have overturned his original decision.
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Yet when it's Salah, you say he's 'gone down easy' but it's still a foul, right?
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you should look up the stats, when was the last time salah got something soft? hes been targeted by refs for years and is one of the least fouled forwards in europe

players can do what they want to salah

comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 6 minutes ago
It was a blatant dive and desperate, theres contact but not enough to go down especially like KDB didRef got sold a dive and bought it, VAR couldnt overturn it cause there was contact, not enough for a pen and should have been sent to the monitor for a second look but we know they rarely do if theres slight evidence of contact or w.e. If he'd have gone to the monitor im pretty sure he'd have overturned his original decision.
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Yet when it's Salah, you say he's 'gone down easy' but it's still a foul, right?
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you should look up the stats, when was the last time salah got something soft? hes been targeted by refs for years and is one of the least fouled forwards in europe
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https://tomkinstimes.com/2022/03/incredible-mo-salah-stats-that-suggest-something-is-very-very-wrong/

InBefore (U20589)

I'm not talking about the stats.

I'm saying that when he does somthing similar to what KDB did here - which you know he has done on more than one occasion - you defend him.

Can't have it both ways.

comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - No laughing matter (U1282)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 40 minutes ago
Not a single Fulham player appealed, VAR didn't even check it.

Winston knows best though.
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Why would anyone appeal? Everyone was waiting for something like that. Convenient that VAR didn't check it. This is Manchester City after all.

Another match day another debate.
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Here’s mamba with another spoonful of sanctimony 😂

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
InBefore (U20589)

I'm not talking about the stats.

I'm saying that when he does somthing similar to what KDB did here - which you know he has done on more than one occasion - you defend him.

Can't have it both ways.
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No, if its soft id say it was soft? theres nothing to be gained by saying otherwise, it doesnt change the outcome? so its silly.

comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
InBefore (U20589)

I'm not talking about the stats.

I'm saying that when he does somthing similar to what KDB did here - which you know he has done on more than one occasion - you defend him.

Can't have it both ways.
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No, if its soft id say it was soft? theres nothing to be gained by saying otherwise, it doesnt change the outcome? so its silly.
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Come on.

When it's Salah, you would say the contact means it's a foul and that he's gone down easily.

When it's KDB, you're saying it's a blatant dive and not enough contact to go down.

comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - No laughing matter (U1282)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 40 minutes ago
Not a single Fulham player appealed, VAR didn't even check it.

Winston knows best though.
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Why would anyone appeal? Everyone was waiting for something like that. Convenient that VAR didn't check it. This is Manchester City after all.

Another match day another debate.
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Here’s mamba with another spoonful of sanctimony 😂
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I don't think you know what sanctimony is.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
InBefore (U20589)

I'm not talking about the stats.

I'm saying that when he does somthing similar to what KDB did here - which you know he has done on more than one occasion - you defend him.

Can't have it both ways.
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No, if its soft id say it was soft? theres nothing to be gained by saying otherwise, it doesnt change the outcome? so its silly.
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Come on.

When it's Salah, you would say the contact means it's a foul and that he's gone down easily.

When it's KDB, you're saying it's a blatant dive and not enough contact to go down.
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Why? there is slight contact and hes gone down easily and theatrically. He and City were desperate and took a chance to con the ref and it worked, won them 3 points and i doubt they care how it looks?

If i have any issue with it, which seeing as we're nowhere near city atm i dont, itd be with the refs. It was an embarrassing dive by KDB just watch how he went down ffs under next to nothing . You can't really defend that can you? Doesnt matter what player it is.

Yes iBefore, but that's not what you say when it's Salah, is it?

You do defend it in those cases.

There was contact.