comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - It's the facking world cup. (U1282)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
"one man can only do so much"
he did NOTHING until the 80 min. Perhaps if he did perform or failing that (cos he was having a poor game) at least offer a bit of help off the ball out of possession maybe his team wouldnt have been 2 down and up against it, and then ultimately lose the game
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You're looking at it as glass half empty. What you should be saying is look what he did in just 40 minutes. World Cup final hattrick in 40 minutes! Fack me! How long did Hurst take? I can't remember as 1966 is along time ago. My Dad was a boy in 1966. I was born and now have kids without anyone doing it. Mbappe did it in less than one half of football.
What
A
Player!
Also, 80th minute of just one game? He was top scorer with 8 goals. The world cup is a tournament where teams play multiple games, it's not the Community Shield. You can't cherry pick 80 minutes out of 720.
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at no point did I say he didnt have a great world cup.
I said he didnt have as good a final as is being made out.
The whole team was pi$h and Mbappe was partly to fault for that. France offered zero going forward for the vast majority of that game and Mbappe was a huge reason behind that (not the only reason but a big part in it)
"So what your saying is that Mbappe should have single handedly saved France's ass earlier in the game, no?"
nup that not what Im saying at all you keep trying to put words in my mouth.
Im saying he was part of the reason his team lost. For the majority of the match he was poor. Im saying he is not the complete package and doesnt have everything.
He showed his class in the end almost managed to snatch victory from Argentina. But he didnt and perhaps if he had performed better in that game he wouldnt be feeling gutted today
For about 20 mins Mbappe was excellent. the game lasted 120 mins.
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20 minutes? Look what he did in 20 minutes!! Holy crap!
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - It's the facking world cup. (U1282)
posted 20 seconds ago
I saw a guy for 80 mins who barely had a kick and didnt do any work off the ball when his team was struggling for momentum and possession of the ball
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This has happened to Messi, Ronaldo, Maradona, Pele and every other player at some point or another. You're really stretching this into the unreasonable.
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it prob has but after those games I wouldnt be labellling them as complete players and the full package. I wouldnt be saying they were brilliant in a game they were not.
you dont seem to understand this .
So we’ve had Messi singlehandedly won the WC followed by Mbappe singlehandedly carried France
Despite one doing nothing until the 80th minute and the other going missing all 2nd half
Both world class players but let’s not rewrite history
No mention of Macallister who was Motm imo
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - It's the facking world cup. (U1282)
posted 57 seconds ago
For about 20 mins Mbappe was excellent. the game lasted 120 mins.
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20 minutes? Look what he did in 20 minutes!! Holy crap!
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He scored a world class goal and 2 pens. Imagine what he could have done if he hadnt waited until it was too late.
Mbappe is world class, he will go down as one of the greatest ever french players, he will smash records.
He underperformed in the final IMO.
Mbappe is quality but miles behind Messi at that age and I doubt he'll reach anywhere near Ronaldo's heights either. His WC was a mixed bag in reality.
I doubt that.
You would. You are not very bright Mamba.
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Even without the final he was still the best player in the tournament besides Messi. He had already proven himself before the final. That's how good he was.
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Yes but nobody rightly or wrongly talks about the other games. Had the Argies not collapsed and hung in to win the talk would be about Mbappe being a big game bottler. That is how cretinous fans on here think. You should know.
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 1 minute ago
So we’ve had Messi singlehandedly won the WC followed by Mbappe singlehandedly carried France
Despite one doing nothing until the 80th minute and the other going missing all 2nd half
Both world class players but let’s not rewrite history
No mention of Macallister who was Motm imo
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Messi ran the show in the first half, popped up in spurts in the 2nd half.
Di Maria destroyed France in the 1st half, absolutely wrecked the space they left.
Mac Allister was clear Motm he was a colossus for the them.
Mbappe was invisible the first half, invisible for 35mins of the 2nd half. he was certainly not brilliant in that game
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - It's the facking world cup. (U1282)
posted 20 seconds ago
I saw a guy for 80 mins who barely had a kick and didnt do any work off the ball when his team was struggling for momentum and possession of the ball
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This has happened to Messi, Ronaldo, Maradona, Pele and every other player at some point or another. You're really stretching this into the unreasonable.
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it prob has but after those games I wouldnt be labellling them as complete players and the full package. I wouldnt be saying they were brilliant in a game they were not.
you dont seem to understand this .
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Good thing that's not what's happening then. Even the article talks about his exploits in other tournaments. Why are you forcing that this is based on one game?
And if you read your comments, you're the one dismissing him based on just 80 minutes of football in his career. You're entire argument is based on those 80 minutes. Mine is based on his career and whole world cup.
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - It's the facking world cup. (U1282)
posted 57 seconds ago
For about 20 mins Mbappe was excellent. the game lasted 120 mins.
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20 minutes? Look what he did in 20 minutes!! Holy crap!
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He scored a world class goal and 2 pens. Imagine what he could have done if he hadnt waited until it was too late.
Mbappe is world class, he will go down as one of the greatest ever french players, he will smash records.
He underperformed in the final IMO.
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I think that's ridiculous but I agree to disagree.
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - It's the facking world cup. (U1282)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - It's the facking world cup. (U1282)
posted 20 seconds ago
I saw a guy for 80 mins who barely had a kick and didnt do any work off the ball when his team was struggling for momentum and possession of the ball
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This has happened to Messi, Ronaldo, Maradona, Pele and every other player at some point or another. You're really stretching this into the unreasonable.
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it prob has but after those games I wouldnt be labellling them as complete players and the full package. I wouldnt be saying they were brilliant in a game they were not.
you dont seem to understand this .
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Good thing that's not what's happening then. Even the article talks about his exploits in other tournaments. Why are you forcing that this is based on one game?
And if you read your comments, you're the one dismissing him based on just 80 minutes of football in his career. You're entire argument is based on those 80 minutes. Mine is based on his career and whole world cup.
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comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - It's the facking world cup. (U1282)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - It's the facking world cup. (U1282)
posted 20 seconds ago
I saw a guy for 80 mins who barely had a kick and didnt do any work off the ball when his team was struggling for momentum and possession of the ball
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This has happened to Messi, Ronaldo, Maradona, Pele and every other player at some point or another. You're really stretching this into the unreasonable.
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it prob has but after those games I wouldnt be labellling them as complete players and the full package. I wouldnt be saying they were brilliant in a game they were not.
you dont seem to understand this .
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Good thing that's not what's happening then. Even the article talks about his exploits in other tournaments. Why are you forcing that this is based on one game?
And if you read your comments, you're the one dismissing him based on just 80 minutes of football in his career. You're entire argument is based on those 80 minutes. Mine is based on his career and whole world cup.
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All my points raised about mbappe have been about the final.
From the OP:
"He literally carried that France team on his own last night"
"single handedly dragging his team back into the match in the last minutes."
From you:
"Agreed OP. He was brilliant"
" He's the complete package because he's got everything."
these were the comments that I was talking about, you know fine well what points im talking about.
I have said he had a great world cup, I agree he is an elite player. I tend not to argue points I agree with ?
I dont think he was brilliant last night, i think he underperformed.
I dont think he carried france I think he was part of the problem they lost
There are areas of his game he needs to work on if he wants to become a complete player and have everything in his locker. I dont think thats the route he wants to go down.
Of those were the only comments you were talking about then it would have helped if you had made that clear at the start. Because the article also invokes his performances in other tournaments and I even mentioned he was the top scorers at this world cup.
The assumption, therefore, is that you're talking about the whole article and that's why I disagreed with you. In a scenario where you are only talking about bits of the article you should make that clear from the get go.
All your points raised have been about 80 minutes of football. You can't judge a player on that.
Whether he was brilliant or not is subjective. If he had better distribution of goals you wouldn't be saying what you're saying.
And denying he was brilliant is one thing but you're saying he underperformed? Have to laugh at that. If he had been any better he'd have had 4 or 5 goals in a world cup final. Now that would have been insane.
I feel I'm taking you too seriously tbh. You're coming out with some ridiculous logic. He scored a hattrick in a world cup final and you're casually saying he underperformed.
I dont think he carried france I think he was part of the problem they lost
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By scoring a hattrick? He's not a defender. He did his part and played his role in the act. Not his fault others couldn't. He's the only reason they didn't get badly beaten and he took them to the brink of two world cups in a row.
This is a miasma of reverse common sense.
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - It's the facking world cup. (U1282)
This is a miasma of reverse common sense.
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Your wheelhouse big man
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - It's the facking world cup. (U1282)
This is a miasma of reverse common sense.
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Your wheelhouse big man
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Big man?
I like that.
I wouldn’t say the torch has been passed. What Messi and Ronaldo have achieved is just extraordinary.
I think we’ll go back to previous eras of there being multiple players every now and then staking a claim for the best in the world.
It’s been heading that way the last few years anyway, with Messi and Ronaldo no longer the untouchable players they once were.
I hope that will be the case anyway. As amazing as it has been seeing Messi and Ronaldo do their thing, the debate around the two all the time has been one of the worst things about football debate.
And now that the world cup is done,I should change my name anyway.
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - It's the facking world cup. (U1282)
posted 3 seconds ago
I dont think he carried france I think he was part of the problem they lost
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By scoring a hattrick? He's not a defender. He did his part and played his role in the act. Not his fault others couldn't. He's the only reason they didn't get badly beaten and he took them to the brink of two world cups in a row.
This is a miasma of reverse common sense.
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I thkn if he performed to the levels he is capable of in the first 90% of the match then they would have done better.
I think he actually pressed the Argentina back line in possession during the game they wouldnt have had as much control of the ball in the first half and wouldnt have had as much joy finding messi.
He refused to press or run the channels whch forced France onto the back foot.
Of course this is all theoretical and cant be proven but its my opinion.
As a Liverpool fan you should know that Klopps first line of defence is his attack. This is no different.
Im not saying he was the cause of Frances poor performance but he was part of it.
"He's the only reason they didn't get badly beaten"
I disagree he was part of the reason they had a two goal deficit to overcome IMO.
He was not brilliant and he didnt carry France I have given my reasons why.
I made it very clear, you should have perhaps read my comments more thoroughly.
I have consitently said he is a world class player, he will have a world class career, he had a top tournament. But he underperformed in the final.
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
I wouldn’t say the torch has been passed. What Messi and Ronaldo have achieved is just extraordinary.
I think we’ll go back to previous eras of there being multiple players every now and then staking a claim for the best in the world.
It’s been heading that way the last few years anyway, with Messi and Ronaldo no longer the untouchable players they once were.
I hope that will be the case anyway. As amazing as it has been seeing Messi and Ronaldo do their thing, the debate around the two all the time has been one of the worst things about football debate.
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better players will come and go.
If someone told us that two players in Messi and R7 would do in their careers what they have done very few would believe you.
It will happen again. what might not happen again however is to have two of them in their peak at the same time.
we have been very lucky to witness them both at the same time
I thkn if he performed to the levels he is capable of in the first 90% of the match then they would have done better.
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Of course they'd have done better. He'd have 4-5 goals in a world cup final. How many world cup finals have there been where someone scored more than three goals? Not done since '66. He did it in 20 minutes in a game where he "underperformed".
OK saan.
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - Big Man (U1282)
posted 12 seconds ago
I thkn if he performed to the levels he is capable of in the first 90% of the match then they would have done better.
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Of course they'd have done better. He'd have 4-5 goals in a world cup final. How many world cup finals have there been where someone scored more than three goals? Not done since '66. He did it in 20 minutes in a game where he "underperformed".
OK saan.
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lets just forget two of them were pens.
but show me where I have denied he scored 3 goals?
He underperformed in the entire game, the game didnt last 20mins so if he performed over the whole game rather than a late cameo of converting two pens other people created for him and a world class finish.
then his team wouldnt be looking at loser medals.
Thats not to say the rest of the france team are not complicit in their failures, but to say Mbappe wasnt part of the problem and say he carried france is nonsense IMO.
It’s not just about what they did at their peak, but their longevity. No player had done this in football prior, two at the same time is just something I cannot ever see being repeated.
We’ve definitely been lucky. But it has its drawbacks, as I mentioned. I do think football can become more exciting if there’s a variance as to who is the best player, though.
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 10 seconds ago
It’s not just about what they did at their peak, but their longevity. No player had done this in football prior, two at the same time is just something I cannot ever see being repeated.
We’ve definitely been lucky. But it has its drawbacks, as I mentioned. I do think football can become more exciting if there’s a variance as to who is the best player, though.
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football evolves and moves on, every generation gets better than the previous one.
maybe there wont be players that stand out as much against the rest of the crowd but at some point there will be players that emulate them IMO.
I’m pretty confident that won’t happen, to be honest. It’s not the be all and end all, but even ignoring what they’ve won with their teams, their Balon d’Or numbers are hilarious.
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - Big Man (U1282)
posted 12 seconds ago
I thkn if he performed to the levels he is capable of in the first 90% of the match then they would have done better.
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Of course they'd have done better. He'd have 4-5 goals in a world cup final. How many world cup finals have there been where someone scored more than three goals? Not done since '66. He did it in 20 minutes in a game where he "underperformed".
OK saan.
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lets just forget two of them were pens.
but show me where I have denied he scored 3 goals?
He underperformed in the entire game, the game didnt last 20mins so if he performed over the whole game rather than a late cameo of converting two pens other people created for him and a world class finish.
then his team wouldnt be looking at loser medals.
Thats not to say the rest of the france team are not complicit in their failures, but to say Mbappe wasnt part of the problem and say he carried france is nonsense IMO.
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You don't even know who created the pens. Tell me again who created the pens for Mbappe.
A pen is still a goal anyway. And he scored three pens. Nerves of steel.
A game is not 20 minutes, but it's not 80 minutes either. Players like Lewa can score a hattrick having hardly touched the ball all game and people rightfully see that as greatness. You're using some weird categorisation just to find an angle.
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posted on 19/12/22
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - It's the facking world cup. (U1282)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
"one man can only do so much"
he did NOTHING until the 80 min. Perhaps if he did perform or failing that (cos he was having a poor game) at least offer a bit of help off the ball out of possession maybe his team wouldnt have been 2 down and up against it, and then ultimately lose the game
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You're looking at it as glass half empty. What you should be saying is look what he did in just 40 minutes. World Cup final hattrick in 40 minutes! Fack me! How long did Hurst take? I can't remember as 1966 is along time ago. My Dad was a boy in 1966. I was born and now have kids without anyone doing it. Mbappe did it in less than one half of football.
What
A
Player!
Also, 80th minute of just one game? He was top scorer with 8 goals. The world cup is a tournament where teams play multiple games, it's not the Community Shield. You can't cherry pick 80 minutes out of 720.
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at no point did I say he didnt have a great world cup.
I said he didnt have as good a final as is being made out.
The whole team was pi$h and Mbappe was partly to fault for that. France offered zero going forward for the vast majority of that game and Mbappe was a huge reason behind that (not the only reason but a big part in it)
"So what your saying is that Mbappe should have single handedly saved France's ass earlier in the game, no?"
nup that not what Im saying at all you keep trying to put words in my mouth.
Im saying he was part of the reason his team lost. For the majority of the match he was poor. Im saying he is not the complete package and doesnt have everything.
He showed his class in the end almost managed to snatch victory from Argentina. But he didnt and perhaps if he had performed better in that game he wouldnt be feeling gutted today
posted on 19/12/22
For about 20 mins Mbappe was excellent. the game lasted 120 mins.
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20 minutes? Look what he did in 20 minutes!! Holy crap!
posted on 19/12/22
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - It's the facking world cup. (U1282)
posted 20 seconds ago
I saw a guy for 80 mins who barely had a kick and didnt do any work off the ball when his team was struggling for momentum and possession of the ball
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This has happened to Messi, Ronaldo, Maradona, Pele and every other player at some point or another. You're really stretching this into the unreasonable.
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it prob has but after those games I wouldnt be labellling them as complete players and the full package. I wouldnt be saying they were brilliant in a game they were not.
you dont seem to understand this .
posted on 19/12/22
So we’ve had Messi singlehandedly won the WC followed by Mbappe singlehandedly carried France
Despite one doing nothing until the 80th minute and the other going missing all 2nd half
Both world class players but let’s not rewrite history
No mention of Macallister who was Motm imo
posted on 19/12/22
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - It's the facking world cup. (U1282)
posted 57 seconds ago
For about 20 mins Mbappe was excellent. the game lasted 120 mins.
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20 minutes? Look what he did in 20 minutes!! Holy crap!
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He scored a world class goal and 2 pens. Imagine what he could have done if he hadnt waited until it was too late.
Mbappe is world class, he will go down as one of the greatest ever french players, he will smash records.
He underperformed in the final IMO.
posted on 19/12/22
Mbappe is quality but miles behind Messi at that age and I doubt he'll reach anywhere near Ronaldo's heights either. His WC was a mixed bag in reality.
posted on 19/12/22
I doubt that.
You would. You are not very bright Mamba.
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Even without the final he was still the best player in the tournament besides Messi. He had already proven himself before the final. That's how good he was.
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Yes but nobody rightly or wrongly talks about the other games. Had the Argies not collapsed and hung in to win the talk would be about Mbappe being a big game bottler. That is how cretinous fans on here think. You should know.
posted on 19/12/22
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 1 minute ago
So we’ve had Messi singlehandedly won the WC followed by Mbappe singlehandedly carried France
Despite one doing nothing until the 80th minute and the other going missing all 2nd half
Both world class players but let’s not rewrite history
No mention of Macallister who was Motm imo
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Messi ran the show in the first half, popped up in spurts in the 2nd half.
Di Maria destroyed France in the 1st half, absolutely wrecked the space they left.
Mac Allister was clear Motm he was a colossus for the them.
Mbappe was invisible the first half, invisible for 35mins of the 2nd half. he was certainly not brilliant in that game
posted on 19/12/22
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - It's the facking world cup. (U1282)
posted 20 seconds ago
I saw a guy for 80 mins who barely had a kick and didnt do any work off the ball when his team was struggling for momentum and possession of the ball
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This has happened to Messi, Ronaldo, Maradona, Pele and every other player at some point or another. You're really stretching this into the unreasonable.
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it prob has but after those games I wouldnt be labellling them as complete players and the full package. I wouldnt be saying they were brilliant in a game they were not.
you dont seem to understand this .
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Good thing that's not what's happening then. Even the article talks about his exploits in other tournaments. Why are you forcing that this is based on one game?
And if you read your comments, you're the one dismissing him based on just 80 minutes of football in his career. You're entire argument is based on those 80 minutes. Mine is based on his career and whole world cup.
posted on 19/12/22
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - It's the facking world cup. (U1282)
posted 57 seconds ago
For about 20 mins Mbappe was excellent. the game lasted 120 mins.
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20 minutes? Look what he did in 20 minutes!! Holy crap!
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He scored a world class goal and 2 pens. Imagine what he could have done if he hadnt waited until it was too late.
Mbappe is world class, he will go down as one of the greatest ever french players, he will smash records.
He underperformed in the final IMO.
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I think that's ridiculous but I agree to disagree.
posted on 19/12/22
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - It's the facking world cup. (U1282)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - It's the facking world cup. (U1282)
posted 20 seconds ago
I saw a guy for 80 mins who barely had a kick and didnt do any work off the ball when his team was struggling for momentum and possession of the ball
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This has happened to Messi, Ronaldo, Maradona, Pele and every other player at some point or another. You're really stretching this into the unreasonable.
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it prob has but after those games I wouldnt be labellling them as complete players and the full package. I wouldnt be saying they were brilliant in a game they were not.
you dont seem to understand this .
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Good thing that's not what's happening then. Even the article talks about his exploits in other tournaments. Why are you forcing that this is based on one game?
And if you read your comments, you're the one dismissing him based on just 80 minutes of football in his career. You're entire argument is based on those 80 minutes. Mine is based on his career and whole world cup.
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comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - It's the facking world cup. (U1282)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - It's the facking world cup. (U1282)
posted 20 seconds ago
I saw a guy for 80 mins who barely had a kick and didnt do any work off the ball when his team was struggling for momentum and possession of the ball
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This has happened to Messi, Ronaldo, Maradona, Pele and every other player at some point or another. You're really stretching this into the unreasonable.
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it prob has but after those games I wouldnt be labellling them as complete players and the full package. I wouldnt be saying they were brilliant in a game they were not.
you dont seem to understand this .
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Good thing that's not what's happening then. Even the article talks about his exploits in other tournaments. Why are you forcing that this is based on one game?
And if you read your comments, you're the one dismissing him based on just 80 minutes of football in his career. You're entire argument is based on those 80 minutes. Mine is based on his career and whole world cup.
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All my points raised about mbappe have been about the final.
From the OP:
"He literally carried that France team on his own last night"
"single handedly dragging his team back into the match in the last minutes."
From you:
"Agreed OP. He was brilliant"
" He's the complete package because he's got everything."
these were the comments that I was talking about, you know fine well what points im talking about.
I have said he had a great world cup, I agree he is an elite player. I tend not to argue points I agree with ?
I dont think he was brilliant last night, i think he underperformed.
I dont think he carried france I think he was part of the problem they lost
There are areas of his game he needs to work on if he wants to become a complete player and have everything in his locker. I dont think thats the route he wants to go down.
posted on 19/12/22
Of those were the only comments you were talking about then it would have helped if you had made that clear at the start. Because the article also invokes his performances in other tournaments and I even mentioned he was the top scorers at this world cup.
The assumption, therefore, is that you're talking about the whole article and that's why I disagreed with you. In a scenario where you are only talking about bits of the article you should make that clear from the get go.
All your points raised have been about 80 minutes of football. You can't judge a player on that.
Whether he was brilliant or not is subjective. If he had better distribution of goals you wouldn't be saying what you're saying.
And denying he was brilliant is one thing but you're saying he underperformed? Have to laugh at that. If he had been any better he'd have had 4 or 5 goals in a world cup final. Now that would have been insane.
I feel I'm taking you too seriously tbh. You're coming out with some ridiculous logic. He scored a hattrick in a world cup final and you're casually saying he underperformed.
posted on 19/12/22
I dont think he carried france I think he was part of the problem they lost
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By scoring a hattrick? He's not a defender. He did his part and played his role in the act. Not his fault others couldn't. He's the only reason they didn't get badly beaten and he took them to the brink of two world cups in a row.
This is a miasma of reverse common sense.
posted on 19/12/22
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - It's the facking world cup. (U1282)
This is a miasma of reverse common sense.
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Your wheelhouse big man
posted on 19/12/22
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - It's the facking world cup. (U1282)
This is a miasma of reverse common sense.
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Your wheelhouse big man
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Big man?
I like that.
posted on 19/12/22
I wouldn’t say the torch has been passed. What Messi and Ronaldo have achieved is just extraordinary.
I think we’ll go back to previous eras of there being multiple players every now and then staking a claim for the best in the world.
It’s been heading that way the last few years anyway, with Messi and Ronaldo no longer the untouchable players they once were.
I hope that will be the case anyway. As amazing as it has been seeing Messi and Ronaldo do their thing, the debate around the two all the time has been one of the worst things about football debate.
posted on 19/12/22
And now that the world cup is done,I should change my name anyway.
posted on 19/12/22
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - It's the facking world cup. (U1282)
posted 3 seconds ago
I dont think he carried france I think he was part of the problem they lost
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By scoring a hattrick? He's not a defender. He did his part and played his role in the act. Not his fault others couldn't. He's the only reason they didn't get badly beaten and he took them to the brink of two world cups in a row.
This is a miasma of reverse common sense.
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I thkn if he performed to the levels he is capable of in the first 90% of the match then they would have done better.
I think he actually pressed the Argentina back line in possession during the game they wouldnt have had as much control of the ball in the first half and wouldnt have had as much joy finding messi.
He refused to press or run the channels whch forced France onto the back foot.
Of course this is all theoretical and cant be proven but its my opinion.
As a Liverpool fan you should know that Klopps first line of defence is his attack. This is no different.
Im not saying he was the cause of Frances poor performance but he was part of it.
"He's the only reason they didn't get badly beaten"
I disagree he was part of the reason they had a two goal deficit to overcome IMO.
He was not brilliant and he didnt carry France I have given my reasons why.
I made it very clear, you should have perhaps read my comments more thoroughly.
I have consitently said he is a world class player, he will have a world class career, he had a top tournament. But he underperformed in the final.
posted on 19/12/22
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
I wouldn’t say the torch has been passed. What Messi and Ronaldo have achieved is just extraordinary.
I think we’ll go back to previous eras of there being multiple players every now and then staking a claim for the best in the world.
It’s been heading that way the last few years anyway, with Messi and Ronaldo no longer the untouchable players they once were.
I hope that will be the case anyway. As amazing as it has been seeing Messi and Ronaldo do their thing, the debate around the two all the time has been one of the worst things about football debate.
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better players will come and go.
If someone told us that two players in Messi and R7 would do in their careers what they have done very few would believe you.
It will happen again. what might not happen again however is to have two of them in their peak at the same time.
we have been very lucky to witness them both at the same time
posted on 19/12/22
I thkn if he performed to the levels he is capable of in the first 90% of the match then they would have done better.
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Of course they'd have done better. He'd have 4-5 goals in a world cup final. How many world cup finals have there been where someone scored more than three goals? Not done since '66. He did it in 20 minutes in a game where he "underperformed".
OK saan.
posted on 19/12/22
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - Big Man (U1282)
posted 12 seconds ago
I thkn if he performed to the levels he is capable of in the first 90% of the match then they would have done better.
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Of course they'd have done better. He'd have 4-5 goals in a world cup final. How many world cup finals have there been where someone scored more than three goals? Not done since '66. He did it in 20 minutes in a game where he "underperformed".
OK saan.
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lets just forget two of them were pens.
but show me where I have denied he scored 3 goals?
He underperformed in the entire game, the game didnt last 20mins so if he performed over the whole game rather than a late cameo of converting two pens other people created for him and a world class finish.
then his team wouldnt be looking at loser medals.
Thats not to say the rest of the france team are not complicit in their failures, but to say Mbappe wasnt part of the problem and say he carried france is nonsense IMO.
posted on 19/12/22
It’s not just about what they did at their peak, but their longevity. No player had done this in football prior, two at the same time is just something I cannot ever see being repeated.
We’ve definitely been lucky. But it has its drawbacks, as I mentioned. I do think football can become more exciting if there’s a variance as to who is the best player, though.
posted on 19/12/22
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 10 seconds ago
It’s not just about what they did at their peak, but their longevity. No player had done this in football prior, two at the same time is just something I cannot ever see being repeated.
We’ve definitely been lucky. But it has its drawbacks, as I mentioned. I do think football can become more exciting if there’s a variance as to who is the best player, though.
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football evolves and moves on, every generation gets better than the previous one.
maybe there wont be players that stand out as much against the rest of the crowd but at some point there will be players that emulate them IMO.
posted on 19/12/22
I’m pretty confident that won’t happen, to be honest. It’s not the be all and end all, but even ignoring what they’ve won with their teams, their Balon d’Or numbers are hilarious.
posted on 19/12/22
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - Big Man (U1282)
posted 12 seconds ago
I thkn if he performed to the levels he is capable of in the first 90% of the match then they would have done better.
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Of course they'd have done better. He'd have 4-5 goals in a world cup final. How many world cup finals have there been where someone scored more than three goals? Not done since '66. He did it in 20 minutes in a game where he "underperformed".
OK saan.
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lets just forget two of them were pens.
but show me where I have denied he scored 3 goals?
He underperformed in the entire game, the game didnt last 20mins so if he performed over the whole game rather than a late cameo of converting two pens other people created for him and a world class finish.
then his team wouldnt be looking at loser medals.
Thats not to say the rest of the france team are not complicit in their failures, but to say Mbappe wasnt part of the problem and say he carried france is nonsense IMO.
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You don't even know who created the pens. Tell me again who created the pens for Mbappe.
A pen is still a goal anyway. And he scored three pens. Nerves of steel.
A game is not 20 minutes, but it's not 80 minutes either. Players like Lewa can score a hattrick having hardly touched the ball all game and people rightfully see that as greatness. You're using some weird categorisation just to find an angle.
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