Ronaldo is just some guy - scored a lot of goals but never stood out as a magician like messi. Mbappe can easily surpass borenaldo
He scored 2 penalties and was sulking and anonymous before he got the 1st peno.
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - Big Man (U1282)
posted 2 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
"one man can only do so much"
he did NOTHING until the 80 min. Perhaps if he did perform or failing that (cos he was having a poor game) at least offer a bit of help off the ball out of possession maybe his team wouldnt have been 2 down and up against it, and then ultimately lose the game
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You're looking at it as glass half empty. What you should be saying is look what he did in just 40 minutes. World Cup final hattrick in 40 minutes! Fack me! How long did Hurst take? I can't remember as 1966 is along time ago. My Dad was a boy in 1966. I was born and now have kids without anyone doing it. Mbappe did it in less than one half of football.
What
A
Player!
Also, 80th minute of just one game? He was top scorer with 8 goals. The world cup is a tournament where teams play multiple games, it's not the Community Shield. You can't cherry pick 80 minutes out of 720.
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How many of Hurst's were penalties?
The Messi Ronaldo rivalry was so unique. On top of having 2 incredible footballers they were also playing for the biggest rivals in club football who managed to win 7 out of 10 CLs while pushing each other to do better and better. To get that’s situation again will be very very unlikely.
Mbappe is a brilliant talent but I haven’t seen anything to suggest he can come close to Messi. He might have been anonymous for most of last nights final but rarely will a striker perform all game, his second was an incredible finish and he took all 3 penalties very well.
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - Big Man (U1282)
posted 2 hours, 4 minutes ago
Of those were the only comments you were talking about then it would have helped if you had made that clear at the start.
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It was clear
Really strange comments regarding Mbappe not being in the game for first 80 mins. Last time I checked, game was 90mins long, & does it make a difference if you score 2 in the first two mins or towards the end of the game like Mbappe did? He did what a striker was supposed to. His team was awful, he didn’t have any service at all. First was down to Otamendi brain fart, the other two are literally Mbappe making chances of his own. Can’t ask for more.
Mbappe and the french side were outclassed for 80 minutes but credit where it is due, when the moments came he was still ready.
Good player but won't ever be at the Messi/Ronaldo level given what I have seen so far.
Mbappe has balls of steel but keeper should have saved the pen and the volley really.
If that was de Gea everyone would be calling for his head.
Am I the only one who thought he wasn't that great in most games and plays in spurts? Done nothing v england and nothing for 80 mins in the final except keep overunning it.
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 12 minutes ago
Am I the only one who thought he wasn't that great in most games and plays in spurts? Done nothing v england and nothing for 80 mins in the final except keep overunning it.
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Maybe but he seems to be a big game player and the occasion doesn't phase him. That's rare.
England's problem was they showed him too much respect.
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 9 minutes ago
Am I the only one who thought he wasn't that great in most games and plays in spurts? Done nothing v england and nothing for 80 mins in the final except keep overunning it.
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i was only talkng about the final but I agree. For 80mins he was rotten. didnt beat his men, didnt get on the ball enough, didnt press at all, didnt try and stretch the back line, didnt get any efforts on goal.
then scored a pen, produced a world class finish and then anther penalty. his 10 min cameo meant that he overall had a decent game, but he didnt carry france (cos france were getting pumped no one was carrying them) he and Dembele were having mares in fact. doing absolutely nothing to influence the game.
He didnt dominate the game, didnt carry france, he produced when it mattered which is ultimately all that matters.
But this notion of he had a great game and is the complete package .... na not for me.
yeah pretty good summary.
He scores goals and gets on the end of things. But in terms of controlling games like messi or even to a lesser extent carrying a team forward like ronaldo did at utd and early madrid, he's got a lot to improve on.
He's probably as impactful in the box but tahts about it.
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 14 seconds ago
yeah pretty good summary.
He scores goals and gets on the end of things. But in terms of controlling games like messi or even to a lesser extent carrying a team forward like ronaldo did at utd and early madrid, he's got a lot to improve on.
He's probably as impactful in the box but tahts about it.
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people are saying he is a forward he didnt get service... na he was played out on the wing for the majority of the match. His lack of press and runs made it easier for the Argies to play from the back and consistently find Messi.
The game changed when France changed it up and brought on two wingers that pressed, and drove with energy and moved Mbappe up top
comment by Cinciwolf---A Scottish world champion and Messsi the goat. (U11551)
posted 14 hours, 16 minutes ago
Mbappe and the french side were outclassed for 80 minutes but credit where it is due, when the moments came he was still ready.
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Why do you highlight Mbappe where France failed but don't do the opposite where they succeeded? That game was 120+ minutes so by your logic Mbappe and France outclassed Argies for 40 minutes? Football is a team game played to the final whistle. A goal is a goal in the first or last minute. Its what you cumulatively end up doing that counts.
Mbappe was top scorer at the world cup and you're cherry picking some minutes where he didn't do much. This is some serious mental gymnastics you're pulling off IMO. It's almost like you're jealous. Did Pele play at the top of his game in every single game during the '58 world cup? What about the other world cups Brazil didn't win? I guess it was because Pele didn't press which allowed his team to concede easy goals and get knocked out. I guess Pele wasn't so good after all because he went missing in some games.
Good player but won't ever be at the Messi/Ronaldo level given what I have seen so far.
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It's not likely that he will reach those levels but it's not impossible going by what I've seen so far. What we can say with some certainty however, is that at this point in time him and Haaland are clearly the ones that will be occupying those spaces as the next best players outside of Messi and Ronaldo. Remains to be seen if that will ever change and how far they can go.
Probably struggle to do it at the top like messi for so long
15 years at the top is unreal
Even diego couldnt manage that
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - Big Man (U1282)
posted 3 hours, 1 minute ago
comment by Cinciwolf---A Scottish world champion and Messsi the goat. (U11551)
posted 14 hours, 16 minutes ago
Mbappe and the french side were outclassed for 80 minutes but credit where it is due, when the moments came he was still ready.
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Why do you highlight Mbappe where France failed but don't do the opposite where they succeeded? That game was 120+ minutes so by your logic Mbappe and France outclassed Argies for 40 minutes? Football is a team game played to the final whistle. A goal is a goal in the first or last minute. Its what you cumulatively end up doing that counts.
Mbappe was top scorer at the world cup and you're cherry picking some minutes where he didn't do much. This is some serious mental gymnastics you're pulling off IMO. It's almost like you're jealous. Did Pele play at the top of his game in every single game during the '58 world cup? What about the other world cups Brazil didn't win? I guess it was because Pele didn't press which allowed his team to concede easy goals and get knocked out. I guess Pele wasn't so good after all because he went missing in some games.
Good player but won't ever be at the Messi/Ronaldo level given what I have seen so far.
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It's not likely that he will reach those levels but it's not impossible going by what I've seen so far. What we can say with some certainty however, is that at this point in time him and Haaland are clearly the ones that will be occupying those spaces as the next best players outside of Messi and Ronaldo. Remains to be seen if that will ever change and how far they can go.
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agreed
comment by Timmy (U14278)
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
Probably struggle to do it at the top like messi for so long
15 years at the top is unreal
Even diego couldnt manage that
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And this is the sticking point really. There might be a few that can and have reached Messi and Ronaldo levels. But can they sustain that level year in year out for 15 years? Its possible, but in order to do so, they not only have to be fairly lucky with injuries, but also have to maintain their focus and desire.
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - Big Man (U1282)
posted 5 hours, 4 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf---A Scottish world champion and Messsi the goat. (U11551)
posted 14 hours, 16 minutes ago
Mbappe and the french side were outclassed for 80 minutes but credit where it is due, when the moments came he was still ready.
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Why do you highlight Mbappe where France failed but don't do the opposite where they succeeded? That game was 120+ minutes so by your logic Mbappe and France outclassed Argies for 40 minutes? Football is a team game played to the final whistle. A goal is a goal in the first or last minute. Its what you cumulatively end up doing that counts.
Mbappe was top scorer at the world cup and you're cherry picking some minutes where he didn't do much. This is some serious mental gymnastics you're pulling off IMO. It's almost like you're jealous. Did Pele play at the top of his game in every single game during the '58 world cup? What about the other world cups Brazil didn't win? I guess it was because Pele didn't press which allowed his team to concede easy goals and get knocked out. I guess Pele wasn't so good after all because he went missing in some games.
Good player but won't ever be at the Messi/Ronaldo level given what I have seen so far.
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It's not likely that he will reach those levels but it's not impossible going by what I've seen so far. What we can say with some certainty however, is that at this point in time him and Haaland are clearly the ones that will be occupying those spaces as the next best players outside of Messi and Ronaldo. Remains to be seen if that will ever change and how far they can go.
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I don't get why you have said i only criticised Mbappe? My first line literally says Mbappe and France.
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posted on 19/12/22
Ronaldo is just some guy - scored a lot of goals but never stood out as a magician like messi. Mbappe can easily surpass borenaldo
posted on 19/12/22
He scored 2 penalties and was sulking and anonymous before he got the 1st peno.
posted on 19/12/22
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - Big Man (U1282)
posted 2 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
"one man can only do so much"
he did NOTHING until the 80 min. Perhaps if he did perform or failing that (cos he was having a poor game) at least offer a bit of help off the ball out of possession maybe his team wouldnt have been 2 down and up against it, and then ultimately lose the game
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You're looking at it as glass half empty. What you should be saying is look what he did in just 40 minutes. World Cup final hattrick in 40 minutes! Fack me! How long did Hurst take? I can't remember as 1966 is along time ago. My Dad was a boy in 1966. I was born and now have kids without anyone doing it. Mbappe did it in less than one half of football.
What
A
Player!
Also, 80th minute of just one game? He was top scorer with 8 goals. The world cup is a tournament where teams play multiple games, it's not the Community Shield. You can't cherry pick 80 minutes out of 720.
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How many of Hurst's were penalties?
posted on 19/12/22
The Messi Ronaldo rivalry was so unique. On top of having 2 incredible footballers they were also playing for the biggest rivals in club football who managed to win 7 out of 10 CLs while pushing each other to do better and better. To get that’s situation again will be very very unlikely.
Mbappe is a brilliant talent but I haven’t seen anything to suggest he can come close to Messi. He might have been anonymous for most of last nights final but rarely will a striker perform all game, his second was an incredible finish and he took all 3 penalties very well.
posted on 19/12/22
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - Big Man (U1282)
posted 2 hours, 4 minutes ago
Of those were the only comments you were talking about then it would have helped if you had made that clear at the start.
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It was clear
posted on 19/12/22
Really strange comments regarding Mbappe not being in the game for first 80 mins. Last time I checked, game was 90mins long, & does it make a difference if you score 2 in the first two mins or towards the end of the game like Mbappe did? He did what a striker was supposed to. His team was awful, he didn’t have any service at all. First was down to Otamendi brain fart, the other two are literally Mbappe making chances of his own. Can’t ask for more.
posted on 19/12/22
Mbappe and the french side were outclassed for 80 minutes but credit where it is due, when the moments came he was still ready.
Good player but won't ever be at the Messi/Ronaldo level given what I have seen so far.
posted on 19/12/22
Mbappe has balls of steel but keeper should have saved the pen and the volley really.
If that was de Gea everyone would be calling for his head.
posted on 20/12/22
Am I the only one who thought he wasn't that great in most games and plays in spurts? Done nothing v england and nothing for 80 mins in the final except keep overunning it.
posted on 20/12/22
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 12 minutes ago
Am I the only one who thought he wasn't that great in most games and plays in spurts? Done nothing v england and nothing for 80 mins in the final except keep overunning it.
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Maybe but he seems to be a big game player and the occasion doesn't phase him. That's rare.
England's problem was they showed him too much respect.
posted on 20/12/22
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 9 minutes ago
Am I the only one who thought he wasn't that great in most games and plays in spurts? Done nothing v england and nothing for 80 mins in the final except keep overunning it.
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i was only talkng about the final but I agree. For 80mins he was rotten. didnt beat his men, didnt get on the ball enough, didnt press at all, didnt try and stretch the back line, didnt get any efforts on goal.
then scored a pen, produced a world class finish and then anther penalty. his 10 min cameo meant that he overall had a decent game, but he didnt carry france (cos france were getting pumped no one was carrying them) he and Dembele were having mares in fact. doing absolutely nothing to influence the game.
He didnt dominate the game, didnt carry france, he produced when it mattered which is ultimately all that matters.
But this notion of he had a great game and is the complete package .... na not for me.
posted on 20/12/22
yeah pretty good summary.
He scores goals and gets on the end of things. But in terms of controlling games like messi or even to a lesser extent carrying a team forward like ronaldo did at utd and early madrid, he's got a lot to improve on.
He's probably as impactful in the box but tahts about it.
posted on 20/12/22
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 14 seconds ago
yeah pretty good summary.
He scores goals and gets on the end of things. But in terms of controlling games like messi or even to a lesser extent carrying a team forward like ronaldo did at utd and early madrid, he's got a lot to improve on.
He's probably as impactful in the box but tahts about it.
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people are saying he is a forward he didnt get service... na he was played out on the wing for the majority of the match. His lack of press and runs made it easier for the Argies to play from the back and consistently find Messi.
The game changed when France changed it up and brought on two wingers that pressed, and drove with energy and moved Mbappe up top
posted on 20/12/22
comment by Cinciwolf---A Scottish world champion and Messsi the goat. (U11551)
posted 14 hours, 16 minutes ago
Mbappe and the french side were outclassed for 80 minutes but credit where it is due, when the moments came he was still ready.
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Why do you highlight Mbappe where France failed but don't do the opposite where they succeeded? That game was 120+ minutes so by your logic Mbappe and France outclassed Argies for 40 minutes? Football is a team game played to the final whistle. A goal is a goal in the first or last minute. Its what you cumulatively end up doing that counts.
Mbappe was top scorer at the world cup and you're cherry picking some minutes where he didn't do much. This is some serious mental gymnastics you're pulling off IMO. It's almost like you're jealous. Did Pele play at the top of his game in every single game during the '58 world cup? What about the other world cups Brazil didn't win? I guess it was because Pele didn't press which allowed his team to concede easy goals and get knocked out. I guess Pele wasn't so good after all because he went missing in some games.
Good player but won't ever be at the Messi/Ronaldo level given what I have seen so far.
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It's not likely that he will reach those levels but it's not impossible going by what I've seen so far. What we can say with some certainty however, is that at this point in time him and Haaland are clearly the ones that will be occupying those spaces as the next best players outside of Messi and Ronaldo. Remains to be seen if that will ever change and how far they can go.
posted on 20/12/22
Probably struggle to do it at the top like messi for so long
15 years at the top is unreal
Even diego couldnt manage that
posted on 20/12/22
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - Big Man (U1282)
posted 3 hours, 1 minute ago
comment by Cinciwolf---A Scottish world champion and Messsi the goat. (U11551)
posted 14 hours, 16 minutes ago
Mbappe and the french side were outclassed for 80 minutes but credit where it is due, when the moments came he was still ready.
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Why do you highlight Mbappe where France failed but don't do the opposite where they succeeded? That game was 120+ minutes so by your logic Mbappe and France outclassed Argies for 40 minutes? Football is a team game played to the final whistle. A goal is a goal in the first or last minute. Its what you cumulatively end up doing that counts.
Mbappe was top scorer at the world cup and you're cherry picking some minutes where he didn't do much. This is some serious mental gymnastics you're pulling off IMO. It's almost like you're jealous. Did Pele play at the top of his game in every single game during the '58 world cup? What about the other world cups Brazil didn't win? I guess it was because Pele didn't press which allowed his team to concede easy goals and get knocked out. I guess Pele wasn't so good after all because he went missing in some games.
Good player but won't ever be at the Messi/Ronaldo level given what I have seen so far.
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It's not likely that he will reach those levels but it's not impossible going by what I've seen so far. What we can say with some certainty however, is that at this point in time him and Haaland are clearly the ones that will be occupying those spaces as the next best players outside of Messi and Ronaldo. Remains to be seen if that will ever change and how far they can go.
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agreed
posted on 20/12/22
comment by Timmy (U14278)
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
Probably struggle to do it at the top like messi for so long
15 years at the top is unreal
Even diego couldnt manage that
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And this is the sticking point really. There might be a few that can and have reached Messi and Ronaldo levels. But can they sustain that level year in year out for 15 years? Its possible, but in order to do so, they not only have to be fairly lucky with injuries, but also have to maintain their focus and desire.
posted on 20/12/22
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - Big Man (U1282)
posted 5 hours, 4 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf---A Scottish world champion and Messsi the goat. (U11551)
posted 14 hours, 16 minutes ago
Mbappe and the french side were outclassed for 80 minutes but credit where it is due, when the moments came he was still ready.
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Why do you highlight Mbappe where France failed but don't do the opposite where they succeeded? That game was 120+ minutes so by your logic Mbappe and France outclassed Argies for 40 minutes? Football is a team game played to the final whistle. A goal is a goal in the first or last minute. Its what you cumulatively end up doing that counts.
Mbappe was top scorer at the world cup and you're cherry picking some minutes where he didn't do much. This is some serious mental gymnastics you're pulling off IMO. It's almost like you're jealous. Did Pele play at the top of his game in every single game during the '58 world cup? What about the other world cups Brazil didn't win? I guess it was because Pele didn't press which allowed his team to concede easy goals and get knocked out. I guess Pele wasn't so good after all because he went missing in some games.
Good player but won't ever be at the Messi/Ronaldo level given what I have seen so far.
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It's not likely that he will reach those levels but it's not impossible going by what I've seen so far. What we can say with some certainty however, is that at this point in time him and Haaland are clearly the ones that will be occupying those spaces as the next best players outside of Messi and Ronaldo. Remains to be seen if that will ever change and how far they can go.
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I don't get why you have said i only criticised Mbappe? My first line literally says Mbappe and France.
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