comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 11 minutes ago
I didn't say I couldn't understand the fans frustrations, I said saying Spurs don't spend is utter bollox, because it is. It's not even up for debate.
I thought Conte was supposed to be world class anyway, he doesn't sound it from what you're writing.
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Don and a few others have always struggle to get a grip on this subject. We have always spent money.
They of course conveniently forget the billion invested in the new stadium and training ground, arguably the best in the world. I know this doesn't instantly buy you wins on the pitch but the fact they can't see how integral that is to the long term success of the club is beyond me. Why do they think every other club is desperately trying to do the same?! It needed to happen at some point and it was always going to come with some pain.
As for buying players, we've spent but generally spent badly. That doesn't all sit with Levy. He's told who to write the cheques for. It's the team around him that might need a change. Get that sorted and we should be in a good place.
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And there we have it. You care more about the facilities and stuff going on outside of the football pitch than you do on it. That’s the issue with supporters like you who are so blinded by Levy pulling the wool over your eye. Yes, i can see we have built an incredible stadium and I applaud them for that, but when does that excuse start to wear thin? When are we supposed to see actual real success on the pitch and not off it? All i see is a chairman and owners that have spearheaded a massive campaign to fleece supporters, yet have 1 league trophy in 23 years to show for it. It’s supporters like you that are the issue and the reason why they keep getting away with it. Thankfully, the vast majority of the fan base are now seeing the truth.
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Of course I don't and the two things aren't mutually exclusive. You're more blinkered than Sandy at times and you're not reading what I'm saying. I'm dealing in the pure facts. The club is, and has, spent a lot of money and is probably punching above it's wait for a non state owned club. Where it's gone wrong is that we've bought the wrong players, you even admit that yourself. We need to move away from this notion that we don't spend money and moan instead about how we spend it. We then might start getting somewhere with the owners. Ironically it's our "budget" buys that works out best for us so maybe something is working in the scouting system!
The only alternative is we sell to a state fund, rip the soul out of the club and sell out in the vain attempt at getting a trophy. It's supporters like you that's the problem. Maybe it's your age, I don't know, but football is more than just buying trophies. Go and support city if that's what you want.
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I would be horrified if Spurs went down the financially doped route.
Levy should be commended for the new stadium, and for giving Spurs fans several seasons of CL football, which is highly commendable when they are up against the financially doped City and Chelsea, and the two biggest clubs in the country United and Liverpool.
You never hear Newcastle, Leeds even West Ham fans moan about lack of silverware. Their fans just get behind the team and support them.
Spurs definitely have some of the biggest whiners in football, and amazingly none of them ever set foot in WHL.
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That's because we're considered one of the traditional big six yet we've only won 2 pointless tin pots over 20 years. Given the size of the club, we should expect more. West ham, Leeds and Newcastle aren't anywhere near as big. You wait, Newcastle are on the edge of breaking through. In 10 years, their fans will want a trophy every year.
comment by look like modric (U7431)
posted 40 seconds ago
I think there is some confusion in the reporting.
We will not spend a lot because Conte is not committed. Of course he will not be backed financially how can you?
I have said since the start of the season he is leaving no intention of staying. He would of signed at the height of the "success" of last season.
Personally i would oust him now and bring in Poch. You would sell a player in january if he was out of contract at the end of the season.
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100%. This isn't an anti-Conte thing, it's just that why on earth would you back someone that's unsure. Levy didn't back Poch and you don't get more committed than him. He's hardly going to change his tune for someone as twitchy as Conte.
The fact that the Juve board have gone is huge. I'm convinced he'll go back there. They don't have as much money as us but relative to their league they do. We know Levy, he doesn't budge so anyone out there with ideas of Conte being the man to make Levy cave in are dreaming. It isn't going to happen.
Either he sells up to an owner with deep pockets and we keep Conte or, assuming ENIC stick around, we get someone in that can work under those restrictions. It's as simple as that.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 11 minutes ago
I didn't say I couldn't understand the fans frustrations, I said saying Spurs don't spend is utter bollox, because it is. It's not even up for debate.
I thought Conte was supposed to be world class anyway, he doesn't sound it from what you're writing.
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Don and a few others have always struggle to get a grip on this subject. We have always spent money.
They of course conveniently forget the billion invested in the new stadium and training ground, arguably the best in the world. I know this doesn't instantly buy you wins on the pitch but the fact they can't see how integral that is to the long term success of the club is beyond me. Why do they think every other club is desperately trying to do the same?! It needed to happen at some point and it was always going to come with some pain.
As for buying players, we've spent but generally spent badly. That doesn't all sit with Levy. He's told who to write the cheques for. It's the team around him that might need a change. Get that sorted and we should be in a good place.
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And there we have it. You care more about the facilities and stuff going on outside of the football pitch than you do on it. That’s the issue with supporters like you who are so blinded by Levy pulling the wool over your eye. Yes, i can see we have built an incredible stadium and I applaud them for that, but when does that excuse start to wear thin? When are we supposed to see actual real success on the pitch and not off it? All i see is a chairman and owners that have spearheaded a massive campaign to fleece supporters, yet have 1 league trophy in 23 years to show for it. It’s supporters like you that are the issue and the reason why they keep getting away with it. Thankfully, the vast majority of the fan base are now seeing the truth.
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Of course I don't and the two things aren't mutually exclusive. You're more blinkered than Sandy at times and you're not reading what I'm saying. I'm dealing in the pure facts. The club is, and has, spent a lot of money and is probably punching above it's wait for a non state owned club. Where it's gone wrong is that we've bought the wrong players, you even admit that yourself. We need to move away from this notion that we don't spend money and moan instead about how we spend it. We then might start getting somewhere with the owners. Ironically it's our "budget" buys that works out best for us so maybe something is working in the scouting system!
The only alternative is we sell to a state fund, rip the soul out of the club and sell out in the vain attempt at getting a trophy. It's supporters like you that's the problem. Maybe it's your age, I don't know, but football is more than just buying trophies. Go and support city if that's what you want.
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I would be horrified if Spurs went down the financially doped route.
Levy should be commended for the new stadium, and for giving Spurs fans several seasons of CL football, which is highly commendable when they are up against the financially doped City and Chelsea, and the two biggest clubs in the country United and Liverpool.
You never hear Newcastle, Leeds even West Ham fans moan about lack of silverware. Their fans just get behind the team and support them.
Spurs definitely have some of the biggest whiners in football, and amazingly none of them ever set foot in WHL.
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That's because we're considered one of the traditional big six yet we've only won 2 pointless tin pots over 20 years. Given the size of the club, we should expect more. West ham, Leeds and Newcastle aren't anywhere near as big. You wait, Newcastle are on the edge of breaking through. In 10 years, their fans will want a trophy every year.
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Frdgeboy, you know very little about football history. Up until the 1960s Newcastle were considered a far bigger club than Spurs. Sure since then Spurs have been the better club.
No guarantee Newcastle will be bigger than Spurs in 10 years time if FFP does its job properly then Newcastle will not be able to do what Chelsea and City have done, where they were allowed to spend unlimited money.
Frankly I am still happy to support Spurs over Newcastle as it stands.
Stop looking at other clubs and try supporting the club you say you support.
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 8 minutes ago
You never hear Newcastle, Leeds even West Ham fans moan about lack of silverware. Their fans just get behind the team and support them.
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They’ve been moaning about this for decades.
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No they haven't.
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 3 hours, 43 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 36 seconds ago
I didn't say I couldn't understand the fans frustrations, I said saying Spurs don't spend is utter bollox, because it is. It's not even up for debate.
I thought Conte was supposed to be world class anyway, he doesn't sound it from what you're writing.
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Like Klopp, he still needs backing with quality. No chance Klopp does any different with this current Spurs defence. Not a hope in hell.
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The difference is that the focus would be on defending from the front rather than sitting deep. The fact that he accommodates Trent despite so many defensive failings suggests he would persist with someone like Spence because of what he offers going forward. For me it's not even in doubt. He would definitely make us a better, more successful team than Conte currently is.
It's strange. So many fear him leaving but they've conveniently forgotten the turgid football he has us playing and have we really improved all that much? Sure we're doing better than we were under Nuno and Jose but from what I can see, he's not even close to doing what Pochettino did with us playing better football. His unwillingness to rotate coupled with his passive concessive style means we're not equipped to play games every 4-5 days and expect consistent results. That exhaustion isn't happening at other teams because they're holding onto the ball more and suffering less fatigue as a result.
We'll part ways in the summer and I don't think there will be many Conte backers by then. I think Levy is banking on it.
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Poch was there five years and won nothing. So I think I will judge Conte over the same period.
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Good luck getting Conte to stick around if we're not winning anything. He's already twitchy and it's only been a year. Personally I'm not sure what it is he's achieved that deserves the credit he's getting. We snatched 4th when Arsenal threw it away last year ONLY because we were out of every cup competition and could concentrate on the league. Conte doesn't know how to rotate a squad and keep winning if there are midweek games. We'll see but but I'll bet everything I own he's not here come the summer. It'll be an amicable parting of ways. I wouldn't be surprised if he's Levy has already spoken to Pochettino.
comment by look like modric (U7431)
posted 8 minutes ago
I think there is some confusion in the reporting.
We will not spend a lot because Conte is not committed. Of course he will not be backed financially how can you?
I have said since the start of the season he is leaving no intention of staying. He would of signed at the height of the "success" of last season.
Personally i would oust him now and bring in Poch. You would sell a player in january if he was out of contract at the end of the season.
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Poch
Only reason Levy would rehire him would be to ask him why he wasted so much money in the likes of Lo Celso, Ndombele, Sanchez, Njie, Nkoudou etc, etc.
Poch wasted so much money.
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 11 minutes ago
I didn't say I couldn't understand the fans frustrations, I said saying Spurs don't spend is utter bollox, because it is. It's not even up for debate.
I thought Conte was supposed to be world class anyway, he doesn't sound it from what you're writing.
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Don and a few others have always struggle to get a grip on this subject. We have always spent money.
They of course conveniently forget the billion invested in the new stadium and training ground, arguably the best in the world. I know this doesn't instantly buy you wins on the pitch but the fact they can't see how integral that is to the long term success of the club is beyond me. Why do they think every other club is desperately trying to do the same?! It needed to happen at some point and it was always going to come with some pain.
As for buying players, we've spent but generally spent badly. That doesn't all sit with Levy. He's told who to write the cheques for. It's the team around him that might need a change. Get that sorted and we should be in a good place.
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And there we have it. You care more about the facilities and stuff going on outside of the football pitch than you do on it. That’s the issue with supporters like you who are so blinded by Levy pulling the wool over your eye. Yes, i can see we have built an incredible stadium and I applaud them for that, but when does that excuse start to wear thin? When are we supposed to see actual real success on the pitch and not off it? All i see is a chairman and owners that have spearheaded a massive campaign to fleece supporters, yet have 1 league trophy in 23 years to show for it. It’s supporters like you that are the issue and the reason why they keep getting away with it. Thankfully, the vast majority of the fan base are now seeing the truth.
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Of course I don't and the two things aren't mutually exclusive. You're more blinkered than Sandy at times and you're not reading what I'm saying. I'm dealing in the pure facts. The club is, and has, spent a lot of money and is probably punching above it's wait for a non state owned club. Where it's gone wrong is that we've bought the wrong players, you even admit that yourself. We need to move away from this notion that we don't spend money and moan instead about how we spend it. We then might start getting somewhere with the owners. Ironically it's our "budget" buys that works out best for us so maybe something is working in the scouting system!
The only alternative is we sell to a state fund, rip the soul out of the club and sell out in the vain attempt at getting a trophy. It's supporters like you that's the problem. Maybe it's your age, I don't know, but football is more than just buying trophies. Go and support city if that's what you want.
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I would be horrified if Spurs went down the financially doped route.
Levy should be commended for the new stadium, and for giving Spurs fans several seasons of CL football, which is highly commendable when they are up against the financially doped City and Chelsea, and the two biggest clubs in the country United and Liverpool.
You never hear Newcastle, Leeds even West Ham fans moan about lack of silverware. Their fans just get behind the team and support them.
Spurs definitely have some of the biggest whiners in football, and amazingly none of them ever set foot in WHL.
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That's because we're considered one of the traditional big six yet we've only won 2 pointless tin pots over 20 years. Given the size of the club, we should expect more. West ham, Leeds and Newcastle aren't anywhere near as big. You wait, Newcastle are on the edge of breaking through. In 10 years, their fans will want a trophy every year.
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Frdgeboy, you know very little about football history. Up until the 1960s Newcastle were considered a far bigger club than Spurs. Sure since then Spurs have been the better club.
No guarantee Newcastle will be bigger than Spurs in 10 years time if FFP does its job properly then Newcastle will not be able to do what Chelsea and City have done, where they were allowed to spend unlimited money.
Frankly I am still happy to support Spurs over Newcastle as it stands.
Stop looking at other clubs and try supporting the club you say you support.
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I don't need a lesson in football history. By that rationale you might as well lump Burnley, Huddersfield and Blackpool into the equation. It's ridiculous. There's a reason we're called the big six so it stands to reason that many fans are going to feel hard done by with such few trophies since the 80s.
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by look like modric (U7431)
posted 8 minutes ago
I think there is some confusion in the reporting.
We will not spend a lot because Conte is not committed. Of course he will not be backed financially how can you?
I have said since the start of the season he is leaving no intention of staying. He would of signed at the height of the "success" of last season.
Personally i would oust him now and bring in Poch. You would sell a player in january if he was out of contract at the end of the season.
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Poch
Only reason Levy would rehire him would be to ask him why he wasted so much money in the likes of Lo Celso, Ndombele, Sanchez, Njie, Nkoudou etc, etc.
Poch wasted so much money.
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Interesting. So Poch wasted that money, but signings like Emerson and Gil, for quite considerable sums don't fall on Conte's man, Paratici?
Poch wanted Fernandes by the way, but got given Lo Celso. Pretty sure it was similar with Dembele. Also, neither player got to play under him fully so we'll never really know how it would have gone. You can't just lump bad signings on him. I never hear you champion he's signing of Toby, Dele or Son amongst many others. Just the duds. Very convenient.
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 8 minutes ago
You never hear Newcastle, Leeds even West Ham fans moan about lack of silverware. Their fans just get behind the team and support them.
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They’ve been moaning about this for decades.
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No they haven't.
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Nice little bubble you live in.
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 11 minutes ago
I didn't say I couldn't understand the fans frustrations, I said saying Spurs don't spend is utter bollox, because it is. It's not even up for debate.
I thought Conte was supposed to be world class anyway, he doesn't sound it from what you're writing.
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Don and a few others have always struggle to get a grip on this subject. We have always spent money.
They of course conveniently forget the billion invested in the new stadium and training ground, arguably the best in the world. I know this doesn't instantly buy you wins on the pitch but the fact they can't see how integral that is to the long term success of the club is beyond me. Why do they think every other club is desperately trying to do the same?! It needed to happen at some point and it was always going to come with some pain.
As for buying players, we've spent but generally spent badly. That doesn't all sit with Levy. He's told who to write the cheques for. It's the team around him that might need a change. Get that sorted and we should be in a good place.
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And there we have it. You care more about the facilities and stuff going on outside of the football pitch than you do on it. That’s the issue with supporters like you who are so blinded by Levy pulling the wool over your eye. Yes, i can see we have built an incredible stadium and I applaud them for that, but when does that excuse start to wear thin? When are we supposed to see actual real success on the pitch and not off it? All i see is a chairman and owners that have spearheaded a massive campaign to fleece supporters, yet have 1 league trophy in 23 years to show for it. It’s supporters like you that are the issue and the reason why they keep getting away with it. Thankfully, the vast majority of the fan base are now seeing the truth.
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Of course I don't and the two things aren't mutually exclusive. You're more blinkered than Sandy at times and you're not reading what I'm saying. I'm dealing in the pure facts. The club is, and has, spent a lot of money and is probably punching above it's wait for a non state owned club. Where it's gone wrong is that we've bought the wrong players, you even admit that yourself. We need to move away from this notion that we don't spend money and moan instead about how we spend it. We then might start getting somewhere with the owners. Ironically it's our "budget" buys that works out best for us so maybe something is working in the scouting system!
The only alternative is we sell to a state fund, rip the soul out of the club and sell out in the vain attempt at getting a trophy. It's supporters like you that's the problem. Maybe it's your age, I don't know, but football is more than just buying trophies. Go and support city if that's what you want.
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I would be horrified if Spurs went down the financially doped route.
Levy should be commended for the new stadium, and for giving Spurs fans several seasons of CL football, which is highly commendable when they are up against the financially doped City and Chelsea, and the two biggest clubs in the country United and Liverpool.
You never hear Newcastle, Leeds even West Ham fans moan about lack of silverware. Their fans just get behind the team and support them.
Spurs definitely have some of the biggest whiners in football, and amazingly none of them ever set foot in WHL.
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I been to WHL plenty, but even if I didn’t, it doesn’t make my opinion on Spurs less valid than yours. Big difference like Fridge boy points out is Newcastle, Westham etc are not currently the traditional big 6. If they were, they would be expecting more trophies than 1 measily league cup in 23 years. Spurs are the only club in the top 6 that are immune to winning trophies and that’s largely down to your bald fraud of a friend
Doubt Conte will go back to Juve with all the shiiiiiit they are in. Getting Poch back will probably end in tears, I don’t think he’s the same manager he was and the club and fans won’t have the patience with him having to rebuild this team.
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 45 seconds ago
Doubt Conte will go back to Juve with all the shiiiiiit they are in. Getting Poch back will probably end in tears, I don’t think he’s the same manager he was and the club and fans won’t have the patience with him having to rebuild this team.
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With the football we're currently serving up, I'd be more than happy to sit and watch the rebuild. Those years were amazing. It really isn't all about the trophies. I'd swap that CL final run for all our League Cups combined. Mixing it at the very top table was just crazy and those nights against City and Ajax will live long in the memory way longer than Woodgate's rebounded header to win us the League Cup in 2008.
Yeah I get that. But it’s unlikely to be like that again, and Levy and the fans just won’t be as patient as they were in 2015.
Depends what Levy’s ambitions are I guess. It’s going to get harder and harder for Spurs to qualify for the CL, but it’s evident that it’s the main goal for the club.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 11 minutes ago
I didn't say I couldn't understand the fans frustrations, I said saying Spurs don't spend is utter bollox, because it is. It's not even up for debate.
I thought Conte was supposed to be world class anyway, he doesn't sound it from what you're writing.
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Don and a few others have always struggle to get a grip on this subject. We have always spent money.
They of course conveniently forget the billion invested in the new stadium and training ground, arguably the best in the world. I know this doesn't instantly buy you wins on the pitch but the fact they can't see how integral that is to the long term success of the club is beyond me. Why do they think every other club is desperately trying to do the same?! It needed to happen at some point and it was always going to come with some pain.
As for buying players, we've spent but generally spent badly. That doesn't all sit with Levy. He's told who to write the cheques for. It's the team around him that might need a change. Get that sorted and we should be in a good place.
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And there we have it. You care more about the facilities and stuff going on outside of the football pitch than you do on it. That’s the issue with supporters like you who are so blinded by Levy pulling the wool over your eye. Yes, i can see we have built an incredible stadium and I applaud them for that, but when does that excuse start to wear thin? When are we supposed to see actual real success on the pitch and not off it? All i see is a chairman and owners that have spearheaded a massive campaign to fleece supporters, yet have 1 league trophy in 23 years to show for it. It’s supporters like you that are the issue and the reason why they keep getting away with it. Thankfully, the vast majority of the fan base are now seeing the truth.
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Of course I don't and the two things aren't mutually exclusive. You're more blinkered than Sandy at times and you're not reading what I'm saying. I'm dealing in the pure facts. The club is, and has, spent a lot of money and is probably punching above it's wait for a non state owned club. Where it's gone wrong is that we've bought the wrong players, you even admit that yourself. We need to move away from this notion that we don't spend money and moan instead about how we spend it. We then might start getting somewhere with the owners. Ironically it's our "budget" buys that works out best for us so maybe something is working in the scouting system!
The only alternative is we sell to a state fund, rip the soul out of the club and sell out in the vain attempt at getting a trophy. It's supporters like you that's the problem. Maybe it's your age, I don't know, but football is more than just buying trophies. Go and support city if that's what you want.
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I would be horrified if Spurs went down the financially doped route.
Levy should be commended for the new stadium, and for giving Spurs fans several seasons of CL football, which is highly commendable when they are up against the financially doped City and Chelsea, and the two biggest clubs in the country United and Liverpool.
You never hear Newcastle, Leeds even West Ham fans moan about lack of silverware. Their fans just get behind the team and support them.
Spurs definitely have some of the biggest whiners in football, and amazingly none of them ever set foot in WHL.
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That's because we're considered one of the traditional big six yet we've only won 2 pointless tin pots over 20 years. Given the size of the club, we should expect more. West ham, Leeds and Newcastle aren't anywhere near as big. You wait, Newcastle are on the edge of breaking through. In 10 years, their fans will want a trophy every year.
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Frdgeboy, you know very little about football history. Up until the 1960s Newcastle were considered a far bigger club than Spurs. Sure since then Spurs have been the better club.
No guarantee Newcastle will be bigger than Spurs in 10 years time if FFP does its job properly then Newcastle will not be able to do what Chelsea and City have done, where they were allowed to spend unlimited money.
Frankly I am still happy to support Spurs over Newcastle as it stands.
Stop looking at other clubs and try supporting the club you say you support.
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I don't need a lesson in football history. By that rationale you might as well lump Burnley, Huddersfield and Blackpool into the equation. It's ridiculous. There's a reason we're called the big six so it stands to reason that many fans are going to feel hard done by with such few trophies since the 80s.
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Nah Burnley and Blackpool have never been bigger than Spurs. Huddersfield had a three year window nearly 100 years ago where they won their only three trophies, so they ain't bigger than Spurs either.
Like I said learn your football history mate.
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 49 seconds ago
Yeah I get that. But it’s unlikely to be like that again, and Levy and the fans just won’t be as patient as they were in 2015.
Depends what Levy’s ambitions are I guess. It’s going to get harder and harder for Spurs to qualify for the CL, but it’s evident that it’s the main goal for the club.
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Success, of sorts, brings expectation so I know our perception will be different to that 2014-2019 journey but I do think a coach like Pochettino is better suited to the restrictions a club like Spurs imposes. So even if it's more of a struggle, it'll be a better fit. As it stands, it feels like we're trying to run before we can walk by recruiting a 'world class' manager but not providing the tools he requires to do his job. There's no such thing as a world class manager as far as I'm concerned. There's the right manager for the right role and those two combined can achieve world class results. As good as Conte might be, and that is up for debate, he's just not the right fit for the club as the money isn't there. So even if it isn't Poch, it needs to be someone in that mould that can coach and improve players in a similar way. It's the reason I don't believe Potter will work at Chelsea but could have at Spurs.
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 11 minutes ago
I didn't say I couldn't understand the fans frustrations, I said saying Spurs don't spend is utter bollox, because it is. It's not even up for debate.
I thought Conte was supposed to be world class anyway, he doesn't sound it from what you're writing.
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Don and a few others have always struggle to get a grip on this subject. We have always spent money.
They of course conveniently forget the billion invested in the new stadium and training ground, arguably the best in the world. I know this doesn't instantly buy you wins on the pitch but the fact they can't see how integral that is to the long term success of the club is beyond me. Why do they think every other club is desperately trying to do the same?! It needed to happen at some point and it was always going to come with some pain.
As for buying players, we've spent but generally spent badly. That doesn't all sit with Levy. He's told who to write the cheques for. It's the team around him that might need a change. Get that sorted and we should be in a good place.
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And there we have it. You care more about the facilities and stuff going on outside of the football pitch than you do on it. That’s the issue with supporters like you who are so blinded by Levy pulling the wool over your eye. Yes, i can see we have built an incredible stadium and I applaud them for that, but when does that excuse start to wear thin? When are we supposed to see actual real success on the pitch and not off it? All i see is a chairman and owners that have spearheaded a massive campaign to fleece supporters, yet have 1 league trophy in 23 years to show for it. It’s supporters like you that are the issue and the reason why they keep getting away with it. Thankfully, the vast majority of the fan base are now seeing the truth.
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Of course I don't and the two things aren't mutually exclusive. You're more blinkered than Sandy at times and you're not reading what I'm saying. I'm dealing in the pure facts. The club is, and has, spent a lot of money and is probably punching above it's wait for a non state owned club. Where it's gone wrong is that we've bought the wrong players, you even admit that yourself. We need to move away from this notion that we don't spend money and moan instead about how we spend it. We then might start getting somewhere with the owners. Ironically it's our "budget" buys that works out best for us so maybe something is working in the scouting system!
The only alternative is we sell to a state fund, rip the soul out of the club and sell out in the vain attempt at getting a trophy. It's supporters like you that's the problem. Maybe it's your age, I don't know, but football is more than just buying trophies. Go and support city if that's what you want.
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I would be horrified if Spurs went down the financially doped route.
Levy should be commended for the new stadium, and for giving Spurs fans several seasons of CL football, which is highly commendable when they are up against the financially doped City and Chelsea, and the two biggest clubs in the country United and Liverpool.
You never hear Newcastle, Leeds even West Ham fans moan about lack of silverware. Their fans just get behind the team and support them.
Spurs definitely have some of the biggest whiners in football, and amazingly none of them ever set foot in WHL.
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That's because we're considered one of the traditional big six yet we've only won 2 pointless tin pots over 20 years. Given the size of the club, we should expect more. West ham, Leeds and Newcastle aren't anywhere near as big. You wait, Newcastle are on the edge of breaking through. In 10 years, their fans will want a trophy every year.
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Frdgeboy, you know very little about football history. Up until the 1960s Newcastle were considered a far bigger club than Spurs. Sure since then Spurs have been the better club.
No guarantee Newcastle will be bigger than Spurs in 10 years time if FFP does its job properly then Newcastle will not be able to do what Chelsea and City have done, where they were allowed to spend unlimited money.
Frankly I am still happy to support Spurs over Newcastle as it stands.
Stop looking at other clubs and try supporting the club you say you support.
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I don't need a lesson in football history. By that rationale you might as well lump Burnley, Huddersfield and Blackpool into the equation. It's ridiculous. There's a reason we're called the big six so it stands to reason that many fans are going to feel hard done by with such few trophies since the 80s.
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Nah Burnley and Blackpool have never been bigger than Spurs. Huddersfield had a three year window nearly 100 years ago where they won their only three trophies, so they ain't bigger than Spurs either.
Like I said learn your football history mate.
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That's hardly fair Sandy, we weren't there at the League's inception in 1888 so you have an unfair advantage.
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 7 minutes ago
Yeah I get that. But it’s unlikely to be like that again, and Levy and the fans just won’t be as patient as they were in 2015.
Depends what Levy’s ambitions are I guess. It’s going to get harder and harder for Spurs to qualify for the CL, but it’s evident that it’s the main goal for the club.
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Why is it going to get harder? Most said that a decade ago, and Spurs have had five or six CL campaigns since then.
Spurs will have just as much chance as any team of getting CL.
Anyway pointless in arguing with so called Spurs fans that are constantly dissing the club.
Leave you lot to argue between yourselves.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 49 seconds ago
Yeah I get that. But it’s unlikely to be like that again, and Levy and the fans just won’t be as patient as they were in 2015.
Depends what Levy’s ambitions are I guess. It’s going to get harder and harder for Spurs to qualify for the CL, but it’s evident that it’s the main goal for the club.
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Success, of sorts, brings expectation so I know our perception will be different to that 2014-2019 journey but I do think a coach like Pochettino is better suited to the restrictions a club like Spurs imposes. So even if it's more of a struggle, it'll be a better fit. As it stands, it feels like we're trying to run before we can walk by recruiting a 'world class' manager but not providing the tools he requires to do his job. There's no such thing as a world class manager as far as I'm concerned. There's the right manager for the right role and those two combined can achieve world class results. As good as Conte might be, and that is up for debate, he's just not the right fit for the club as the money isn't there. So even if it isn't Poch, it needs to be someone in that mould that can coach and improve players in a similar way. It's the reason I don't believe Potter will work at Chelsea but could have at Spurs.
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But the ‘restrictions’ aren’t really the same in terms of finance, but the difficulty will be recruiting a ‘golden generation’ so to speak, like Spurs managed when Pochettino was first there. And I don’t think he’s as good as he was, and the competition is higher now. So the expectations of achieving similar to his first stint are unlikely, but the club and fans will still have these high expectations regardless.
I get the sentiment. With Conte it depends on Levy wanting to continually invest to get the squad in a position to challenge in the league, and that will be difficult. The performances aren’t good but the results are under Conte in the league. So Levy may look at that and believe Conte can get a team to overperform and really have a go at the title. But it will depend on Conte having the patience for that.
There’s a number of managers around that could come in and get Spurs playing entertaining football, though. I think we’ve discussed this before and that will be an obvious preference for many fans, and rightly so, in my opinion. But I’m not sure Levy will feel the same, so it’s difficult to know what he’ll do regarding the managerial position.
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posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 11 minutes ago
I didn't say I couldn't understand the fans frustrations, I said saying Spurs don't spend is utter bollox, because it is. It's not even up for debate.
I thought Conte was supposed to be world class anyway, he doesn't sound it from what you're writing.
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Don and a few others have always struggle to get a grip on this subject. We have always spent money.
They of course conveniently forget the billion invested in the new stadium and training ground, arguably the best in the world. I know this doesn't instantly buy you wins on the pitch but the fact they can't see how integral that is to the long term success of the club is beyond me. Why do they think every other club is desperately trying to do the same?! It needed to happen at some point and it was always going to come with some pain.
As for buying players, we've spent but generally spent badly. That doesn't all sit with Levy. He's told who to write the cheques for. It's the team around him that might need a change. Get that sorted and we should be in a good place.
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And there we have it. You care more about the facilities and stuff going on outside of the football pitch than you do on it. That’s the issue with supporters like you who are so blinded by Levy pulling the wool over your eye. Yes, i can see we have built an incredible stadium and I applaud them for that, but when does that excuse start to wear thin? When are we supposed to see actual real success on the pitch and not off it? All i see is a chairman and owners that have spearheaded a massive campaign to fleece supporters, yet have 1 league trophy in 23 years to show for it. It’s supporters like you that are the issue and the reason why they keep getting away with it. Thankfully, the vast majority of the fan base are now seeing the truth.
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Of course I don't and the two things aren't mutually exclusive. You're more blinkered than Sandy at times and you're not reading what I'm saying. I'm dealing in the pure facts. The club is, and has, spent a lot of money and is probably punching above it's wait for a non state owned club. Where it's gone wrong is that we've bought the wrong players, you even admit that yourself. We need to move away from this notion that we don't spend money and moan instead about how we spend it. We then might start getting somewhere with the owners. Ironically it's our "budget" buys that works out best for us so maybe something is working in the scouting system!
The only alternative is we sell to a state fund, rip the soul out of the club and sell out in the vain attempt at getting a trophy. It's supporters like you that's the problem. Maybe it's your age, I don't know, but football is more than just buying trophies. Go and support city if that's what you want.
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I would be horrified if Spurs went down the financially doped route.
Levy should be commended for the new stadium, and for giving Spurs fans several seasons of CL football, which is highly commendable when they are up against the financially doped City and Chelsea, and the two biggest clubs in the country United and Liverpool.
You never hear Newcastle, Leeds even West Ham fans moan about lack of silverware. Their fans just get behind the team and support them.
Spurs definitely have some of the biggest whiners in football, and amazingly none of them ever set foot in WHL.
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I been to WHL plenty, but even if I didn’t, it doesn’t make my opinion on Spurs less valid than yours. Big difference like Fridge boy points out is Newcastle, Westham etc are not currently the traditional big 6. If they were, they would be expecting more trophies than 1 measily league cup in 23 years. Spurs are the only club in the top 6 that are immune to winning trophies and that’s largely down to your bald fraud of a friend
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I know I sound like I'm pro Levy (I'm not, I've never really forgiven him for the sacking of Jol and Poch but the club will always have my full backing) but your last sentence is wrong in my opinion.
You've got to consider the role of a club chairman. They have to run an international business, keep it solvent and of course profitable, but also build a team capable of challenging for trophies and playing at the highest level in Europe. During the time you mention we have reached several finals or the very latter stages of cups, put in a couple of near prem title pushes, become consistently in the Champs league and we even made a flippin final in that! That shows he's built decent teams capable of what we all want to see. What lets us down at the final hurdle is the players on the day. We've had teams capable of winning all of the above. What's the chairman supposed to do?! If he was demanding that Kane is dropped so he could play up front you may have a point, but when it comes to a final etc, he's done his bit. We could have any owner and the above can still happen.
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
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posted 25 minutes ago
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posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 11 minutes ago
I didn't say I couldn't understand the fans frustrations, I said saying Spurs don't spend is utter bollox, because it is. It's not even up for debate.
I thought Conte was supposed to be world class anyway, he doesn't sound it from what you're writing.
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Don and a few others have always struggle to get a grip on this subject. We have always spent money.
They of course conveniently forget the billion invested in the new stadium and training ground, arguably the best in the world. I know this doesn't instantly buy you wins on the pitch but the fact they can't see how integral that is to the long term success of the club is beyond me. Why do they think every other club is desperately trying to do the same?! It needed to happen at some point and it was always going to come with some pain.
As for buying players, we've spent but generally spent badly. That doesn't all sit with Levy. He's told who to write the cheques for. It's the team around him that might need a change. Get that sorted and we should be in a good place.
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And there we have it. You care more about the facilities and stuff going on outside of the football pitch than you do on it. That’s the issue with supporters like you who are so blinded by Levy pulling the wool over your eye. Yes, i can see we have built an incredible stadium and I applaud them for that, but when does that excuse start to wear thin? When are we supposed to see actual real success on the pitch and not off it? All i see is a chairman and owners that have spearheaded a massive campaign to fleece supporters, yet have 1 league trophy in 23 years to show for it. It’s supporters like you that are the issue and the reason why they keep getting away with it. Thankfully, the vast majority of the fan base are now seeing the truth.
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Of course I don't and the two things aren't mutually exclusive. You're more blinkered than Sandy at times and you're not reading what I'm saying. I'm dealing in the pure facts. The club is, and has, spent a lot of money and is probably punching above it's wait for a non state owned club. Where it's gone wrong is that we've bought the wrong players, you even admit that yourself. We need to move away from this notion that we don't spend money and moan instead about how we spend it. We then might start getting somewhere with the owners. Ironically it's our "budget" buys that works out best for us so maybe something is working in the scouting system!
The only alternative is we sell to a state fund, rip the soul out of the club and sell out in the vain attempt at getting a trophy. It's supporters like you that's the problem. Maybe it's your age, I don't know, but football is more than just buying trophies. Go and support city if that's what you want.
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I would be horrified if Spurs went down the financially doped route.
Levy should be commended for the new stadium, and for giving Spurs fans several seasons of CL football, which is highly commendable when they are up against the financially doped City and Chelsea, and the two biggest clubs in the country United and Liverpool.
You never hear Newcastle, Leeds even West Ham fans moan about lack of silverware. Their fans just get behind the team and support them.
Spurs definitely have some of the biggest whiners in football, and amazingly none of them ever set foot in WHL.
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I been to WHL plenty, but even if I didn’t, it doesn’t make my opinion on Spurs less valid than yours. Big difference like Fridge boy points out is Newcastle, Westham etc are not currently the traditional big 6. If they were, they would be expecting more trophies than 1 measily league cup in 23 years. Spurs are the only club in the top 6 that are immune to winning trophies and that’s largely down to your bald fraud of a friend
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I know I sound like I'm pro Levy (I'm not, I've never really forgiven him for the sacking of Jol and Poch but the club will always have my full backing) but your last sentence is wrong in my opinion.
You've got to consider the role of a club chairman. They have to run an international business, keep it solvent and of course profitable, but also build a team capable of challenging for trophies and playing at the highest level in Europe. During the time you mention we have reached several finals or the very latter stages of cups, put in a couple of near prem title pushes, become consistently in the Champs league and we even made a flippin final in that! That shows he's built decent teams capable of what we all want to see. What lets us down at the final hurdle is the players on the day. We've had teams capable of winning all of the above. What's the chairman supposed to do?! If he was demanding that Kane is dropped so he could play up front you may have a point, but when it comes to a final etc, he's done his bit. We could have any owner and the above can still happen.
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Yes i get that, but the issue has always been we haven’t quite had the squad capable of getting over the line. We have always relied on a 1st 11 because our squad was never truly quality enough and that falls on the chairman who has failed to provide. The squads of the others are always dripped in quality and they have the trophies to show for it. Why do Spurs constantly fail to deliver silverware?
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 6 hours, 4 minutes ago
comment by King TUt (U3732)
posted 11 minutes ago
You can't expect a self sufficient club like spurs to blow a load of money on a rwb when you've just spent 30m or so on Emerson.
You've also just made Romero a permanent signing (40m I think?). Again you can't expect too much more imo, particularly as you invested a lot of money on Sanchez, without much hope of making that money back on him.
You're not Chelsea, who could spaff loads of money up the wall until they got it right.
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I sometimes think Spurs fans forget which club they support.
There’s also the matter of big money failures like Lo Celso and Ndonkele still being on the books. It effects their ability to make signings when they are a drain on the accounts.
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Yes, and it's not as if they have any good youth players to supplement the squad or challenge for a first team place either. Bit weird considering the catchment, maybe spurs should look at revamping the scouting.
Chelsea probably signed all the best ones in the area. Offered 2k a week to 8 year olds.
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
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comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 11 minutes ago
I didn't say I couldn't understand the fans frustrations, I said saying Spurs don't spend is utter bollox, because it is. It's not even up for debate.
I thought Conte was supposed to be world class anyway, he doesn't sound it from what you're writing.
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Don and a few others have always struggle to get a grip on this subject. We have always spent money.
They of course conveniently forget the billion invested in the new stadium and training ground, arguably the best in the world. I know this doesn't instantly buy you wins on the pitch but the fact they can't see how integral that is to the long term success of the club is beyond me. Why do they think every other club is desperately trying to do the same?! It needed to happen at some point and it was always going to come with some pain.
As for buying players, we've spent but generally spent badly. That doesn't all sit with Levy. He's told who to write the cheques for. It's the team around him that might need a change. Get that sorted and we should be in a good place.
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And there we have it. You care more about the facilities and stuff going on outside of the football pitch than you do on it. That’s the issue with supporters like you who are so blinded by Levy pulling the wool over your eye. Yes, i can see we have built an incredible stadium and I applaud them for that, but when does that excuse start to wear thin? When are we supposed to see actual real success on the pitch and not off it? All i see is a chairman and owners that have spearheaded a massive campaign to fleece supporters, yet have 1 league trophy in 23 years to show for it. It’s supporters like you that are the issue and the reason why they keep getting away with it. Thankfully, the vast majority of the fan base are now seeing the truth.
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Of course I don't and the two things aren't mutually exclusive. You're more blinkered than Sandy at times and you're not reading what I'm saying. I'm dealing in the pure facts. The club is, and has, spent a lot of money and is probably punching above it's wait for a non state owned club. Where it's gone wrong is that we've bought the wrong players, you even admit that yourself. We need to move away from this notion that we don't spend money and moan instead about how we spend it. We then might start getting somewhere with the owners. Ironically it's our "budget" buys that works out best for us so maybe something is working in the scouting system!
The only alternative is we sell to a state fund, rip the soul out of the club and sell out in the vain attempt at getting a trophy. It's supporters like you that's the problem. Maybe it's your age, I don't know, but football is more than just buying trophies. Go and support city if that's what you want.
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I would be horrified if Spurs went down the financially doped route.
Levy should be commended for the new stadium, and for giving Spurs fans several seasons of CL football, which is highly commendable when they are up against the financially doped City and Chelsea, and the two biggest clubs in the country United and Liverpool.
You never hear Newcastle, Leeds even West Ham fans moan about lack of silverware. Their fans just get behind the team and support them.
Spurs definitely have some of the biggest whiners in football, and amazingly none of them ever set foot in WHL.
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I been to WHL plenty, but even if I didn’t, it doesn’t make my opinion on Spurs less valid than yours. Big difference like Fridge boy points out is Newcastle, Westham etc are not currently the traditional big 6. If they were, they would be expecting more trophies than 1 measily league cup in 23 years. Spurs are the only club in the top 6 that are immune to winning trophies and that’s largely down to your bald fraud of a friend
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I know I sound like I'm pro Levy (I'm not, I've never really forgiven him for the sacking of Jol and Poch but the club will always have my full backing) but your last sentence is wrong in my opinion.
You've got to consider the role of a club chairman. They have to run an international business, keep it solvent and of course profitable, but also build a team capable of challenging for trophies and playing at the highest level in Europe. During the time you mention we have reached several finals or the very latter stages of cups, put in a couple of near prem title pushes, become consistently in the Champs league and we even made a flippin final in that! That shows he's built decent teams capable of what we all want to see. What lets us down at the final hurdle is the players on the day. We've had teams capable of winning all of the above. What's the chairman supposed to do?! If he was demanding that Kane is dropped so he could play up front you may have a point, but when it comes to a final etc, he's done his bit. We could have any owner and the above can still happen.
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Yes i get that, but the issue has always been we haven’t quite had the squad capable of getting over the line. We have always relied on a 1st 11 because our squad was never truly quality enough and that falls on the chairman who has failed to provide. The squads of the others are always dripped in quality and they have the trophies to show for it. Why do Spurs constantly fail to deliver silverware?
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I think it's called "Spursy"
I think most have to admit Spurs have upped their game in many departments. Our signings in the last 18 months have all been pretty successful. Those critical of Spurs cheap signings always conveniently ignore that many of our best players are cheap deals. Bentancur Kulusevski and Romero for about the same as Liverpool spent on Nunez.
Many also ignore that we cannot do it in one window. Since Conte has arrived we've added Deki Bentancur Richarlison Perisic Bissouma Lenglet. These are big improvements in 2 windows and while we need more they have to be available and affordable. People talk about needing a top CB RWB and AM and question why we haven't, but that's probably another 150m or more, and we have players to shift too.
I don't buy this "no money to spend" line fed to the media. Let's see what happens. Expectations need to be controlled as the Jan window is in particular hard to get big signings unless you spend silly or find bargains and we don't have limitless money...but we do have money.
Lets just see what we spend and on who. No doubt Conte and Levy working on the same strategy, and if they are not we will soon know about it.
We're a work in progress and are nowhere near the end of our journey. Klopp had Liverpool ending 8th in his first season. We're already well ahead of that curve, and Arteta's progress. For some reason Spurs fans think we should be winning the league right now
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posted on 20/12/22
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 11 minutes ago
I didn't say I couldn't understand the fans frustrations, I said saying Spurs don't spend is utter bollox, because it is. It's not even up for debate.
I thought Conte was supposed to be world class anyway, he doesn't sound it from what you're writing.
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Don and a few others have always struggle to get a grip on this subject. We have always spent money.
They of course conveniently forget the billion invested in the new stadium and training ground, arguably the best in the world. I know this doesn't instantly buy you wins on the pitch but the fact they can't see how integral that is to the long term success of the club is beyond me. Why do they think every other club is desperately trying to do the same?! It needed to happen at some point and it was always going to come with some pain.
As for buying players, we've spent but generally spent badly. That doesn't all sit with Levy. He's told who to write the cheques for. It's the team around him that might need a change. Get that sorted and we should be in a good place.
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And there we have it. You care more about the facilities and stuff going on outside of the football pitch than you do on it. That’s the issue with supporters like you who are so blinded by Levy pulling the wool over your eye. Yes, i can see we have built an incredible stadium and I applaud them for that, but when does that excuse start to wear thin? When are we supposed to see actual real success on the pitch and not off it? All i see is a chairman and owners that have spearheaded a massive campaign to fleece supporters, yet have 1 league trophy in 23 years to show for it. It’s supporters like you that are the issue and the reason why they keep getting away with it. Thankfully, the vast majority of the fan base are now seeing the truth.
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Of course I don't and the two things aren't mutually exclusive. You're more blinkered than Sandy at times and you're not reading what I'm saying. I'm dealing in the pure facts. The club is, and has, spent a lot of money and is probably punching above it's wait for a non state owned club. Where it's gone wrong is that we've bought the wrong players, you even admit that yourself. We need to move away from this notion that we don't spend money and moan instead about how we spend it. We then might start getting somewhere with the owners. Ironically it's our "budget" buys that works out best for us so maybe something is working in the scouting system!
The only alternative is we sell to a state fund, rip the soul out of the club and sell out in the vain attempt at getting a trophy. It's supporters like you that's the problem. Maybe it's your age, I don't know, but football is more than just buying trophies. Go and support city if that's what you want.
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I would be horrified if Spurs went down the financially doped route.
Levy should be commended for the new stadium, and for giving Spurs fans several seasons of CL football, which is highly commendable when they are up against the financially doped City and Chelsea, and the two biggest clubs in the country United and Liverpool.
You never hear Newcastle, Leeds even West Ham fans moan about lack of silverware. Their fans just get behind the team and support them.
Spurs definitely have some of the biggest whiners in football, and amazingly none of them ever set foot in WHL.
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That's because we're considered one of the traditional big six yet we've only won 2 pointless tin pots over 20 years. Given the size of the club, we should expect more. West ham, Leeds and Newcastle aren't anywhere near as big. You wait, Newcastle are on the edge of breaking through. In 10 years, their fans will want a trophy every year.
posted on 20/12/22
comment by look like modric (U7431)
posted 40 seconds ago
I think there is some confusion in the reporting.
We will not spend a lot because Conte is not committed. Of course he will not be backed financially how can you?
I have said since the start of the season he is leaving no intention of staying. He would of signed at the height of the "success" of last season.
Personally i would oust him now and bring in Poch. You would sell a player in january if he was out of contract at the end of the season.
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100%. This isn't an anti-Conte thing, it's just that why on earth would you back someone that's unsure. Levy didn't back Poch and you don't get more committed than him. He's hardly going to change his tune for someone as twitchy as Conte.
The fact that the Juve board have gone is huge. I'm convinced he'll go back there. They don't have as much money as us but relative to their league they do. We know Levy, he doesn't budge so anyone out there with ideas of Conte being the man to make Levy cave in are dreaming. It isn't going to happen.
Either he sells up to an owner with deep pockets and we keep Conte or, assuming ENIC stick around, we get someone in that can work under those restrictions. It's as simple as that.
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comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
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posted 55 minutes ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 11 minutes ago
I didn't say I couldn't understand the fans frustrations, I said saying Spurs don't spend is utter bollox, because it is. It's not even up for debate.
I thought Conte was supposed to be world class anyway, he doesn't sound it from what you're writing.
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Don and a few others have always struggle to get a grip on this subject. We have always spent money.
They of course conveniently forget the billion invested in the new stadium and training ground, arguably the best in the world. I know this doesn't instantly buy you wins on the pitch but the fact they can't see how integral that is to the long term success of the club is beyond me. Why do they think every other club is desperately trying to do the same?! It needed to happen at some point and it was always going to come with some pain.
As for buying players, we've spent but generally spent badly. That doesn't all sit with Levy. He's told who to write the cheques for. It's the team around him that might need a change. Get that sorted and we should be in a good place.
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And there we have it. You care more about the facilities and stuff going on outside of the football pitch than you do on it. That’s the issue with supporters like you who are so blinded by Levy pulling the wool over your eye. Yes, i can see we have built an incredible stadium and I applaud them for that, but when does that excuse start to wear thin? When are we supposed to see actual real success on the pitch and not off it? All i see is a chairman and owners that have spearheaded a massive campaign to fleece supporters, yet have 1 league trophy in 23 years to show for it. It’s supporters like you that are the issue and the reason why they keep getting away with it. Thankfully, the vast majority of the fan base are now seeing the truth.
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Of course I don't and the two things aren't mutually exclusive. You're more blinkered than Sandy at times and you're not reading what I'm saying. I'm dealing in the pure facts. The club is, and has, spent a lot of money and is probably punching above it's wait for a non state owned club. Where it's gone wrong is that we've bought the wrong players, you even admit that yourself. We need to move away from this notion that we don't spend money and moan instead about how we spend it. We then might start getting somewhere with the owners. Ironically it's our "budget" buys that works out best for us so maybe something is working in the scouting system!
The only alternative is we sell to a state fund, rip the soul out of the club and sell out in the vain attempt at getting a trophy. It's supporters like you that's the problem. Maybe it's your age, I don't know, but football is more than just buying trophies. Go and support city if that's what you want.
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I would be horrified if Spurs went down the financially doped route.
Levy should be commended for the new stadium, and for giving Spurs fans several seasons of CL football, which is highly commendable when they are up against the financially doped City and Chelsea, and the two biggest clubs in the country United and Liverpool.
You never hear Newcastle, Leeds even West Ham fans moan about lack of silverware. Their fans just get behind the team and support them.
Spurs definitely have some of the biggest whiners in football, and amazingly none of them ever set foot in WHL.
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That's because we're considered one of the traditional big six yet we've only won 2 pointless tin pots over 20 years. Given the size of the club, we should expect more. West ham, Leeds and Newcastle aren't anywhere near as big. You wait, Newcastle are on the edge of breaking through. In 10 years, their fans will want a trophy every year.
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Frdgeboy, you know very little about football history. Up until the 1960s Newcastle were considered a far bigger club than Spurs. Sure since then Spurs have been the better club.
No guarantee Newcastle will be bigger than Spurs in 10 years time if FFP does its job properly then Newcastle will not be able to do what Chelsea and City have done, where they were allowed to spend unlimited money.
Frankly I am still happy to support Spurs over Newcastle as it stands.
Stop looking at other clubs and try supporting the club you say you support.
posted on 20/12/22
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 8 minutes ago
You never hear Newcastle, Leeds even West Ham fans moan about lack of silverware. Their fans just get behind the team and support them.
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They’ve been moaning about this for decades.
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No they haven't.
posted on 20/12/22
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 3 hours, 43 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 36 seconds ago
I didn't say I couldn't understand the fans frustrations, I said saying Spurs don't spend is utter bollox, because it is. It's not even up for debate.
I thought Conte was supposed to be world class anyway, he doesn't sound it from what you're writing.
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Like Klopp, he still needs backing with quality. No chance Klopp does any different with this current Spurs defence. Not a hope in hell.
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The difference is that the focus would be on defending from the front rather than sitting deep. The fact that he accommodates Trent despite so many defensive failings suggests he would persist with someone like Spence because of what he offers going forward. For me it's not even in doubt. He would definitely make us a better, more successful team than Conte currently is.
It's strange. So many fear him leaving but they've conveniently forgotten the turgid football he has us playing and have we really improved all that much? Sure we're doing better than we were under Nuno and Jose but from what I can see, he's not even close to doing what Pochettino did with us playing better football. His unwillingness to rotate coupled with his passive concessive style means we're not equipped to play games every 4-5 days and expect consistent results. That exhaustion isn't happening at other teams because they're holding onto the ball more and suffering less fatigue as a result.
We'll part ways in the summer and I don't think there will be many Conte backers by then. I think Levy is banking on it.
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Poch was there five years and won nothing. So I think I will judge Conte over the same period.
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Good luck getting Conte to stick around if we're not winning anything. He's already twitchy and it's only been a year. Personally I'm not sure what it is he's achieved that deserves the credit he's getting. We snatched 4th when Arsenal threw it away last year ONLY because we were out of every cup competition and could concentrate on the league. Conte doesn't know how to rotate a squad and keep winning if there are midweek games. We'll see but but I'll bet everything I own he's not here come the summer. It'll be an amicable parting of ways. I wouldn't be surprised if he's Levy has already spoken to Pochettino.
posted on 20/12/22
comment by look like modric (U7431)
posted 8 minutes ago
I think there is some confusion in the reporting.
We will not spend a lot because Conte is not committed. Of course he will not be backed financially how can you?
I have said since the start of the season he is leaving no intention of staying. He would of signed at the height of the "success" of last season.
Personally i would oust him now and bring in Poch. You would sell a player in january if he was out of contract at the end of the season.
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Poch
Only reason Levy would rehire him would be to ask him why he wasted so much money in the likes of Lo Celso, Ndombele, Sanchez, Njie, Nkoudou etc, etc.
Poch wasted so much money.
posted on 20/12/22
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 11 minutes ago
I didn't say I couldn't understand the fans frustrations, I said saying Spurs don't spend is utter bollox, because it is. It's not even up for debate.
I thought Conte was supposed to be world class anyway, he doesn't sound it from what you're writing.
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Don and a few others have always struggle to get a grip on this subject. We have always spent money.
They of course conveniently forget the billion invested in the new stadium and training ground, arguably the best in the world. I know this doesn't instantly buy you wins on the pitch but the fact they can't see how integral that is to the long term success of the club is beyond me. Why do they think every other club is desperately trying to do the same?! It needed to happen at some point and it was always going to come with some pain.
As for buying players, we've spent but generally spent badly. That doesn't all sit with Levy. He's told who to write the cheques for. It's the team around him that might need a change. Get that sorted and we should be in a good place.
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And there we have it. You care more about the facilities and stuff going on outside of the football pitch than you do on it. That’s the issue with supporters like you who are so blinded by Levy pulling the wool over your eye. Yes, i can see we have built an incredible stadium and I applaud them for that, but when does that excuse start to wear thin? When are we supposed to see actual real success on the pitch and not off it? All i see is a chairman and owners that have spearheaded a massive campaign to fleece supporters, yet have 1 league trophy in 23 years to show for it. It’s supporters like you that are the issue and the reason why they keep getting away with it. Thankfully, the vast majority of the fan base are now seeing the truth.
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Of course I don't and the two things aren't mutually exclusive. You're more blinkered than Sandy at times and you're not reading what I'm saying. I'm dealing in the pure facts. The club is, and has, spent a lot of money and is probably punching above it's wait for a non state owned club. Where it's gone wrong is that we've bought the wrong players, you even admit that yourself. We need to move away from this notion that we don't spend money and moan instead about how we spend it. We then might start getting somewhere with the owners. Ironically it's our "budget" buys that works out best for us so maybe something is working in the scouting system!
The only alternative is we sell to a state fund, rip the soul out of the club and sell out in the vain attempt at getting a trophy. It's supporters like you that's the problem. Maybe it's your age, I don't know, but football is more than just buying trophies. Go and support city if that's what you want.
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I would be horrified if Spurs went down the financially doped route.
Levy should be commended for the new stadium, and for giving Spurs fans several seasons of CL football, which is highly commendable when they are up against the financially doped City and Chelsea, and the two biggest clubs in the country United and Liverpool.
You never hear Newcastle, Leeds even West Ham fans moan about lack of silverware. Their fans just get behind the team and support them.
Spurs definitely have some of the biggest whiners in football, and amazingly none of them ever set foot in WHL.
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That's because we're considered one of the traditional big six yet we've only won 2 pointless tin pots over 20 years. Given the size of the club, we should expect more. West ham, Leeds and Newcastle aren't anywhere near as big. You wait, Newcastle are on the edge of breaking through. In 10 years, their fans will want a trophy every year.
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Frdgeboy, you know very little about football history. Up until the 1960s Newcastle were considered a far bigger club than Spurs. Sure since then Spurs have been the better club.
No guarantee Newcastle will be bigger than Spurs in 10 years time if FFP does its job properly then Newcastle will not be able to do what Chelsea and City have done, where they were allowed to spend unlimited money.
Frankly I am still happy to support Spurs over Newcastle as it stands.
Stop looking at other clubs and try supporting the club you say you support.
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I don't need a lesson in football history. By that rationale you might as well lump Burnley, Huddersfield and Blackpool into the equation. It's ridiculous. There's a reason we're called the big six so it stands to reason that many fans are going to feel hard done by with such few trophies since the 80s.
posted on 20/12/22
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by look like modric (U7431)
posted 8 minutes ago
I think there is some confusion in the reporting.
We will not spend a lot because Conte is not committed. Of course he will not be backed financially how can you?
I have said since the start of the season he is leaving no intention of staying. He would of signed at the height of the "success" of last season.
Personally i would oust him now and bring in Poch. You would sell a player in january if he was out of contract at the end of the season.
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Poch
Only reason Levy would rehire him would be to ask him why he wasted so much money in the likes of Lo Celso, Ndombele, Sanchez, Njie, Nkoudou etc, etc.
Poch wasted so much money.
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Interesting. So Poch wasted that money, but signings like Emerson and Gil, for quite considerable sums don't fall on Conte's man, Paratici?
Poch wanted Fernandes by the way, but got given Lo Celso. Pretty sure it was similar with Dembele. Also, neither player got to play under him fully so we'll never really know how it would have gone. You can't just lump bad signings on him. I never hear you champion he's signing of Toby, Dele or Son amongst many others. Just the duds. Very convenient.
posted on 20/12/22
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 8 minutes ago
You never hear Newcastle, Leeds even West Ham fans moan about lack of silverware. Their fans just get behind the team and support them.
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They’ve been moaning about this for decades.
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No they haven't.
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Nice little bubble you live in.
posted on 20/12/22
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 11 minutes ago
I didn't say I couldn't understand the fans frustrations, I said saying Spurs don't spend is utter bollox, because it is. It's not even up for debate.
I thought Conte was supposed to be world class anyway, he doesn't sound it from what you're writing.
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Don and a few others have always struggle to get a grip on this subject. We have always spent money.
They of course conveniently forget the billion invested in the new stadium and training ground, arguably the best in the world. I know this doesn't instantly buy you wins on the pitch but the fact they can't see how integral that is to the long term success of the club is beyond me. Why do they think every other club is desperately trying to do the same?! It needed to happen at some point and it was always going to come with some pain.
As for buying players, we've spent but generally spent badly. That doesn't all sit with Levy. He's told who to write the cheques for. It's the team around him that might need a change. Get that sorted and we should be in a good place.
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And there we have it. You care more about the facilities and stuff going on outside of the football pitch than you do on it. That’s the issue with supporters like you who are so blinded by Levy pulling the wool over your eye. Yes, i can see we have built an incredible stadium and I applaud them for that, but when does that excuse start to wear thin? When are we supposed to see actual real success on the pitch and not off it? All i see is a chairman and owners that have spearheaded a massive campaign to fleece supporters, yet have 1 league trophy in 23 years to show for it. It’s supporters like you that are the issue and the reason why they keep getting away with it. Thankfully, the vast majority of the fan base are now seeing the truth.
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Of course I don't and the two things aren't mutually exclusive. You're more blinkered than Sandy at times and you're not reading what I'm saying. I'm dealing in the pure facts. The club is, and has, spent a lot of money and is probably punching above it's wait for a non state owned club. Where it's gone wrong is that we've bought the wrong players, you even admit that yourself. We need to move away from this notion that we don't spend money and moan instead about how we spend it. We then might start getting somewhere with the owners. Ironically it's our "budget" buys that works out best for us so maybe something is working in the scouting system!
The only alternative is we sell to a state fund, rip the soul out of the club and sell out in the vain attempt at getting a trophy. It's supporters like you that's the problem. Maybe it's your age, I don't know, but football is more than just buying trophies. Go and support city if that's what you want.
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I would be horrified if Spurs went down the financially doped route.
Levy should be commended for the new stadium, and for giving Spurs fans several seasons of CL football, which is highly commendable when they are up against the financially doped City and Chelsea, and the two biggest clubs in the country United and Liverpool.
You never hear Newcastle, Leeds even West Ham fans moan about lack of silverware. Their fans just get behind the team and support them.
Spurs definitely have some of the biggest whiners in football, and amazingly none of them ever set foot in WHL.
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I been to WHL plenty, but even if I didn’t, it doesn’t make my opinion on Spurs less valid than yours. Big difference like Fridge boy points out is Newcastle, Westham etc are not currently the traditional big 6. If they were, they would be expecting more trophies than 1 measily league cup in 23 years. Spurs are the only club in the top 6 that are immune to winning trophies and that’s largely down to your bald fraud of a friend
posted on 20/12/22
Doubt Conte will go back to Juve with all the shiiiiiit they are in. Getting Poch back will probably end in tears, I don’t think he’s the same manager he was and the club and fans won’t have the patience with him having to rebuild this team.
posted on 20/12/22
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 45 seconds ago
Doubt Conte will go back to Juve with all the shiiiiiit they are in. Getting Poch back will probably end in tears, I don’t think he’s the same manager he was and the club and fans won’t have the patience with him having to rebuild this team.
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With the football we're currently serving up, I'd be more than happy to sit and watch the rebuild. Those years were amazing. It really isn't all about the trophies. I'd swap that CL final run for all our League Cups combined. Mixing it at the very top table was just crazy and those nights against City and Ajax will live long in the memory way longer than Woodgate's rebounded header to win us the League Cup in 2008.
posted on 20/12/22
Yeah I get that. But it’s unlikely to be like that again, and Levy and the fans just won’t be as patient as they were in 2015.
Depends what Levy’s ambitions are I guess. It’s going to get harder and harder for Spurs to qualify for the CL, but it’s evident that it’s the main goal for the club.
posted on 20/12/22
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 11 minutes ago
I didn't say I couldn't understand the fans frustrations, I said saying Spurs don't spend is utter bollox, because it is. It's not even up for debate.
I thought Conte was supposed to be world class anyway, he doesn't sound it from what you're writing.
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Don and a few others have always struggle to get a grip on this subject. We have always spent money.
They of course conveniently forget the billion invested in the new stadium and training ground, arguably the best in the world. I know this doesn't instantly buy you wins on the pitch but the fact they can't see how integral that is to the long term success of the club is beyond me. Why do they think every other club is desperately trying to do the same?! It needed to happen at some point and it was always going to come with some pain.
As for buying players, we've spent but generally spent badly. That doesn't all sit with Levy. He's told who to write the cheques for. It's the team around him that might need a change. Get that sorted and we should be in a good place.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And there we have it. You care more about the facilities and stuff going on outside of the football pitch than you do on it. That’s the issue with supporters like you who are so blinded by Levy pulling the wool over your eye. Yes, i can see we have built an incredible stadium and I applaud them for that, but when does that excuse start to wear thin? When are we supposed to see actual real success on the pitch and not off it? All i see is a chairman and owners that have spearheaded a massive campaign to fleece supporters, yet have 1 league trophy in 23 years to show for it. It’s supporters like you that are the issue and the reason why they keep getting away with it. Thankfully, the vast majority of the fan base are now seeing the truth.
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Of course I don't and the two things aren't mutually exclusive. You're more blinkered than Sandy at times and you're not reading what I'm saying. I'm dealing in the pure facts. The club is, and has, spent a lot of money and is probably punching above it's wait for a non state owned club. Where it's gone wrong is that we've bought the wrong players, you even admit that yourself. We need to move away from this notion that we don't spend money and moan instead about how we spend it. We then might start getting somewhere with the owners. Ironically it's our "budget" buys that works out best for us so maybe something is working in the scouting system!
The only alternative is we sell to a state fund, rip the soul out of the club and sell out in the vain attempt at getting a trophy. It's supporters like you that's the problem. Maybe it's your age, I don't know, but football is more than just buying trophies. Go and support city if that's what you want.
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I would be horrified if Spurs went down the financially doped route.
Levy should be commended for the new stadium, and for giving Spurs fans several seasons of CL football, which is highly commendable when they are up against the financially doped City and Chelsea, and the two biggest clubs in the country United and Liverpool.
You never hear Newcastle, Leeds even West Ham fans moan about lack of silverware. Their fans just get behind the team and support them.
Spurs definitely have some of the biggest whiners in football, and amazingly none of them ever set foot in WHL.
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That's because we're considered one of the traditional big six yet we've only won 2 pointless tin pots over 20 years. Given the size of the club, we should expect more. West ham, Leeds and Newcastle aren't anywhere near as big. You wait, Newcastle are on the edge of breaking through. In 10 years, their fans will want a trophy every year.
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Frdgeboy, you know very little about football history. Up until the 1960s Newcastle were considered a far bigger club than Spurs. Sure since then Spurs have been the better club.
No guarantee Newcastle will be bigger than Spurs in 10 years time if FFP does its job properly then Newcastle will not be able to do what Chelsea and City have done, where they were allowed to spend unlimited money.
Frankly I am still happy to support Spurs over Newcastle as it stands.
Stop looking at other clubs and try supporting the club you say you support.
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I don't need a lesson in football history. By that rationale you might as well lump Burnley, Huddersfield and Blackpool into the equation. It's ridiculous. There's a reason we're called the big six so it stands to reason that many fans are going to feel hard done by with such few trophies since the 80s.
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Nah Burnley and Blackpool have never been bigger than Spurs. Huddersfield had a three year window nearly 100 years ago where they won their only three trophies, so they ain't bigger than Spurs either.
Like I said learn your football history mate.
posted on 20/12/22
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 49 seconds ago
Yeah I get that. But it’s unlikely to be like that again, and Levy and the fans just won’t be as patient as they were in 2015.
Depends what Levy’s ambitions are I guess. It’s going to get harder and harder for Spurs to qualify for the CL, but it’s evident that it’s the main goal for the club.
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Success, of sorts, brings expectation so I know our perception will be different to that 2014-2019 journey but I do think a coach like Pochettino is better suited to the restrictions a club like Spurs imposes. So even if it's more of a struggle, it'll be a better fit. As it stands, it feels like we're trying to run before we can walk by recruiting a 'world class' manager but not providing the tools he requires to do his job. There's no such thing as a world class manager as far as I'm concerned. There's the right manager for the right role and those two combined can achieve world class results. As good as Conte might be, and that is up for debate, he's just not the right fit for the club as the money isn't there. So even if it isn't Poch, it needs to be someone in that mould that can coach and improve players in a similar way. It's the reason I don't believe Potter will work at Chelsea but could have at Spurs.
posted on 20/12/22
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 11 minutes ago
I didn't say I couldn't understand the fans frustrations, I said saying Spurs don't spend is utter bollox, because it is. It's not even up for debate.
I thought Conte was supposed to be world class anyway, he doesn't sound it from what you're writing.
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Don and a few others have always struggle to get a grip on this subject. We have always spent money.
They of course conveniently forget the billion invested in the new stadium and training ground, arguably the best in the world. I know this doesn't instantly buy you wins on the pitch but the fact they can't see how integral that is to the long term success of the club is beyond me. Why do they think every other club is desperately trying to do the same?! It needed to happen at some point and it was always going to come with some pain.
As for buying players, we've spent but generally spent badly. That doesn't all sit with Levy. He's told who to write the cheques for. It's the team around him that might need a change. Get that sorted and we should be in a good place.
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And there we have it. You care more about the facilities and stuff going on outside of the football pitch than you do on it. That’s the issue with supporters like you who are so blinded by Levy pulling the wool over your eye. Yes, i can see we have built an incredible stadium and I applaud them for that, but when does that excuse start to wear thin? When are we supposed to see actual real success on the pitch and not off it? All i see is a chairman and owners that have spearheaded a massive campaign to fleece supporters, yet have 1 league trophy in 23 years to show for it. It’s supporters like you that are the issue and the reason why they keep getting away with it. Thankfully, the vast majority of the fan base are now seeing the truth.
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Of course I don't and the two things aren't mutually exclusive. You're more blinkered than Sandy at times and you're not reading what I'm saying. I'm dealing in the pure facts. The club is, and has, spent a lot of money and is probably punching above it's wait for a non state owned club. Where it's gone wrong is that we've bought the wrong players, you even admit that yourself. We need to move away from this notion that we don't spend money and moan instead about how we spend it. We then might start getting somewhere with the owners. Ironically it's our "budget" buys that works out best for us so maybe something is working in the scouting system!
The only alternative is we sell to a state fund, rip the soul out of the club and sell out in the vain attempt at getting a trophy. It's supporters like you that's the problem. Maybe it's your age, I don't know, but football is more than just buying trophies. Go and support city if that's what you want.
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I would be horrified if Spurs went down the financially doped route.
Levy should be commended for the new stadium, and for giving Spurs fans several seasons of CL football, which is highly commendable when they are up against the financially doped City and Chelsea, and the two biggest clubs in the country United and Liverpool.
You never hear Newcastle, Leeds even West Ham fans moan about lack of silverware. Their fans just get behind the team and support them.
Spurs definitely have some of the biggest whiners in football, and amazingly none of them ever set foot in WHL.
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That's because we're considered one of the traditional big six yet we've only won 2 pointless tin pots over 20 years. Given the size of the club, we should expect more. West ham, Leeds and Newcastle aren't anywhere near as big. You wait, Newcastle are on the edge of breaking through. In 10 years, their fans will want a trophy every year.
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Frdgeboy, you know very little about football history. Up until the 1960s Newcastle were considered a far bigger club than Spurs. Sure since then Spurs have been the better club.
No guarantee Newcastle will be bigger than Spurs in 10 years time if FFP does its job properly then Newcastle will not be able to do what Chelsea and City have done, where they were allowed to spend unlimited money.
Frankly I am still happy to support Spurs over Newcastle as it stands.
Stop looking at other clubs and try supporting the club you say you support.
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I don't need a lesson in football history. By that rationale you might as well lump Burnley, Huddersfield and Blackpool into the equation. It's ridiculous. There's a reason we're called the big six so it stands to reason that many fans are going to feel hard done by with such few trophies since the 80s.
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Nah Burnley and Blackpool have never been bigger than Spurs. Huddersfield had a three year window nearly 100 years ago where they won their only three trophies, so they ain't bigger than Spurs either.
Like I said learn your football history mate.
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That's hardly fair Sandy, we weren't there at the League's inception in 1888 so you have an unfair advantage.
posted on 20/12/22
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 7 minutes ago
Yeah I get that. But it’s unlikely to be like that again, and Levy and the fans just won’t be as patient as they were in 2015.
Depends what Levy’s ambitions are I guess. It’s going to get harder and harder for Spurs to qualify for the CL, but it’s evident that it’s the main goal for the club.
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Why is it going to get harder? Most said that a decade ago, and Spurs have had five or six CL campaigns since then.
Spurs will have just as much chance as any team of getting CL.
posted on 20/12/22
Anyway pointless in arguing with so called Spurs fans that are constantly dissing the club.
Leave you lot to argue between yourselves.
posted on 20/12/22
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 49 seconds ago
Yeah I get that. But it’s unlikely to be like that again, and Levy and the fans just won’t be as patient as they were in 2015.
Depends what Levy’s ambitions are I guess. It’s going to get harder and harder for Spurs to qualify for the CL, but it’s evident that it’s the main goal for the club.
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Success, of sorts, brings expectation so I know our perception will be different to that 2014-2019 journey but I do think a coach like Pochettino is better suited to the restrictions a club like Spurs imposes. So even if it's more of a struggle, it'll be a better fit. As it stands, it feels like we're trying to run before we can walk by recruiting a 'world class' manager but not providing the tools he requires to do his job. There's no such thing as a world class manager as far as I'm concerned. There's the right manager for the right role and those two combined can achieve world class results. As good as Conte might be, and that is up for debate, he's just not the right fit for the club as the money isn't there. So even if it isn't Poch, it needs to be someone in that mould that can coach and improve players in a similar way. It's the reason I don't believe Potter will work at Chelsea but could have at Spurs.
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But the ‘restrictions’ aren’t really the same in terms of finance, but the difficulty will be recruiting a ‘golden generation’ so to speak, like Spurs managed when Pochettino was first there. And I don’t think he’s as good as he was, and the competition is higher now. So the expectations of achieving similar to his first stint are unlikely, but the club and fans will still have these high expectations regardless.
I get the sentiment. With Conte it depends on Levy wanting to continually invest to get the squad in a position to challenge in the league, and that will be difficult. The performances aren’t good but the results are under Conte in the league. So Levy may look at that and believe Conte can get a team to overperform and really have a go at the title. But it will depend on Conte having the patience for that.
There’s a number of managers around that could come in and get Spurs playing entertaining football, though. I think we’ve discussed this before and that will be an obvious preference for many fans, and rightly so, in my opinion. But I’m not sure Levy will feel the same, so it’s difficult to know what he’ll do regarding the managerial position.
posted on 20/12/22
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 11 minutes ago
I didn't say I couldn't understand the fans frustrations, I said saying Spurs don't spend is utter bollox, because it is. It's not even up for debate.
I thought Conte was supposed to be world class anyway, he doesn't sound it from what you're writing.
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Don and a few others have always struggle to get a grip on this subject. We have always spent money.
They of course conveniently forget the billion invested in the new stadium and training ground, arguably the best in the world. I know this doesn't instantly buy you wins on the pitch but the fact they can't see how integral that is to the long term success of the club is beyond me. Why do they think every other club is desperately trying to do the same?! It needed to happen at some point and it was always going to come with some pain.
As for buying players, we've spent but generally spent badly. That doesn't all sit with Levy. He's told who to write the cheques for. It's the team around him that might need a change. Get that sorted and we should be in a good place.
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And there we have it. You care more about the facilities and stuff going on outside of the football pitch than you do on it. That’s the issue with supporters like you who are so blinded by Levy pulling the wool over your eye. Yes, i can see we have built an incredible stadium and I applaud them for that, but when does that excuse start to wear thin? When are we supposed to see actual real success on the pitch and not off it? All i see is a chairman and owners that have spearheaded a massive campaign to fleece supporters, yet have 1 league trophy in 23 years to show for it. It’s supporters like you that are the issue and the reason why they keep getting away with it. Thankfully, the vast majority of the fan base are now seeing the truth.
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Of course I don't and the two things aren't mutually exclusive. You're more blinkered than Sandy at times and you're not reading what I'm saying. I'm dealing in the pure facts. The club is, and has, spent a lot of money and is probably punching above it's wait for a non state owned club. Where it's gone wrong is that we've bought the wrong players, you even admit that yourself. We need to move away from this notion that we don't spend money and moan instead about how we spend it. We then might start getting somewhere with the owners. Ironically it's our "budget" buys that works out best for us so maybe something is working in the scouting system!
The only alternative is we sell to a state fund, rip the soul out of the club and sell out in the vain attempt at getting a trophy. It's supporters like you that's the problem. Maybe it's your age, I don't know, but football is more than just buying trophies. Go and support city if that's what you want.
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I would be horrified if Spurs went down the financially doped route.
Levy should be commended for the new stadium, and for giving Spurs fans several seasons of CL football, which is highly commendable when they are up against the financially doped City and Chelsea, and the two biggest clubs in the country United and Liverpool.
You never hear Newcastle, Leeds even West Ham fans moan about lack of silverware. Their fans just get behind the team and support them.
Spurs definitely have some of the biggest whiners in football, and amazingly none of them ever set foot in WHL.
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I been to WHL plenty, but even if I didn’t, it doesn’t make my opinion on Spurs less valid than yours. Big difference like Fridge boy points out is Newcastle, Westham etc are not currently the traditional big 6. If they were, they would be expecting more trophies than 1 measily league cup in 23 years. Spurs are the only club in the top 6 that are immune to winning trophies and that’s largely down to your bald fraud of a friend
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I know I sound like I'm pro Levy (I'm not, I've never really forgiven him for the sacking of Jol and Poch but the club will always have my full backing) but your last sentence is wrong in my opinion.
You've got to consider the role of a club chairman. They have to run an international business, keep it solvent and of course profitable, but also build a team capable of challenging for trophies and playing at the highest level in Europe. During the time you mention we have reached several finals or the very latter stages of cups, put in a couple of near prem title pushes, become consistently in the Champs league and we even made a flippin final in that! That shows he's built decent teams capable of what we all want to see. What lets us down at the final hurdle is the players on the day. We've had teams capable of winning all of the above. What's the chairman supposed to do?! If he was demanding that Kane is dropped so he could play up front you may have a point, but when it comes to a final etc, he's done his bit. We could have any owner and the above can still happen.
posted on 20/12/22
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 11 minutes ago
I didn't say I couldn't understand the fans frustrations, I said saying Spurs don't spend is utter bollox, because it is. It's not even up for debate.
I thought Conte was supposed to be world class anyway, he doesn't sound it from what you're writing.
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Don and a few others have always struggle to get a grip on this subject. We have always spent money.
They of course conveniently forget the billion invested in the new stadium and training ground, arguably the best in the world. I know this doesn't instantly buy you wins on the pitch but the fact they can't see how integral that is to the long term success of the club is beyond me. Why do they think every other club is desperately trying to do the same?! It needed to happen at some point and it was always going to come with some pain.
As for buying players, we've spent but generally spent badly. That doesn't all sit with Levy. He's told who to write the cheques for. It's the team around him that might need a change. Get that sorted and we should be in a good place.
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And there we have it. You care more about the facilities and stuff going on outside of the football pitch than you do on it. That’s the issue with supporters like you who are so blinded by Levy pulling the wool over your eye. Yes, i can see we have built an incredible stadium and I applaud them for that, but when does that excuse start to wear thin? When are we supposed to see actual real success on the pitch and not off it? All i see is a chairman and owners that have spearheaded a massive campaign to fleece supporters, yet have 1 league trophy in 23 years to show for it. It’s supporters like you that are the issue and the reason why they keep getting away with it. Thankfully, the vast majority of the fan base are now seeing the truth.
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Of course I don't and the two things aren't mutually exclusive. You're more blinkered than Sandy at times and you're not reading what I'm saying. I'm dealing in the pure facts. The club is, and has, spent a lot of money and is probably punching above it's wait for a non state owned club. Where it's gone wrong is that we've bought the wrong players, you even admit that yourself. We need to move away from this notion that we don't spend money and moan instead about how we spend it. We then might start getting somewhere with the owners. Ironically it's our "budget" buys that works out best for us so maybe something is working in the scouting system!
The only alternative is we sell to a state fund, rip the soul out of the club and sell out in the vain attempt at getting a trophy. It's supporters like you that's the problem. Maybe it's your age, I don't know, but football is more than just buying trophies. Go and support city if that's what you want.
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I would be horrified if Spurs went down the financially doped route.
Levy should be commended for the new stadium, and for giving Spurs fans several seasons of CL football, which is highly commendable when they are up against the financially doped City and Chelsea, and the two biggest clubs in the country United and Liverpool.
You never hear Newcastle, Leeds even West Ham fans moan about lack of silverware. Their fans just get behind the team and support them.
Spurs definitely have some of the biggest whiners in football, and amazingly none of them ever set foot in WHL.
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I been to WHL plenty, but even if I didn’t, it doesn’t make my opinion on Spurs less valid than yours. Big difference like Fridge boy points out is Newcastle, Westham etc are not currently the traditional big 6. If they were, they would be expecting more trophies than 1 measily league cup in 23 years. Spurs are the only club in the top 6 that are immune to winning trophies and that’s largely down to your bald fraud of a friend
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I know I sound like I'm pro Levy (I'm not, I've never really forgiven him for the sacking of Jol and Poch but the club will always have my full backing) but your last sentence is wrong in my opinion.
You've got to consider the role of a club chairman. They have to run an international business, keep it solvent and of course profitable, but also build a team capable of challenging for trophies and playing at the highest level in Europe. During the time you mention we have reached several finals or the very latter stages of cups, put in a couple of near prem title pushes, become consistently in the Champs league and we even made a flippin final in that! That shows he's built decent teams capable of what we all want to see. What lets us down at the final hurdle is the players on the day. We've had teams capable of winning all of the above. What's the chairman supposed to do?! If he was demanding that Kane is dropped so he could play up front you may have a point, but when it comes to a final etc, he's done his bit. We could have any owner and the above can still happen.
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Yes i get that, but the issue has always been we haven’t quite had the squad capable of getting over the line. We have always relied on a 1st 11 because our squad was never truly quality enough and that falls on the chairman who has failed to provide. The squads of the others are always dripped in quality and they have the trophies to show for it. Why do Spurs constantly fail to deliver silverware?
posted on 20/12/22
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 6 hours, 4 minutes ago
comment by King TUt (U3732)
posted 11 minutes ago
You can't expect a self sufficient club like spurs to blow a load of money on a rwb when you've just spent 30m or so on Emerson.
You've also just made Romero a permanent signing (40m I think?). Again you can't expect too much more imo, particularly as you invested a lot of money on Sanchez, without much hope of making that money back on him.
You're not Chelsea, who could spaff loads of money up the wall until they got it right.
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I sometimes think Spurs fans forget which club they support.
There’s also the matter of big money failures like Lo Celso and Ndonkele still being on the books. It effects their ability to make signings when they are a drain on the accounts.
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Yes, and it's not as if they have any good youth players to supplement the squad or challenge for a first team place either. Bit weird considering the catchment, maybe spurs should look at revamping the scouting.
posted on 20/12/22
Chelsea probably signed all the best ones in the area. Offered 2k a week to 8 year olds.
posted on 20/12/22
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 11 minutes ago
I didn't say I couldn't understand the fans frustrations, I said saying Spurs don't spend is utter bollox, because it is. It's not even up for debate.
I thought Conte was supposed to be world class anyway, he doesn't sound it from what you're writing.
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Don and a few others have always struggle to get a grip on this subject. We have always spent money.
They of course conveniently forget the billion invested in the new stadium and training ground, arguably the best in the world. I know this doesn't instantly buy you wins on the pitch but the fact they can't see how integral that is to the long term success of the club is beyond me. Why do they think every other club is desperately trying to do the same?! It needed to happen at some point and it was always going to come with some pain.
As for buying players, we've spent but generally spent badly. That doesn't all sit with Levy. He's told who to write the cheques for. It's the team around him that might need a change. Get that sorted and we should be in a good place.
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And there we have it. You care more about the facilities and stuff going on outside of the football pitch than you do on it. That’s the issue with supporters like you who are so blinded by Levy pulling the wool over your eye. Yes, i can see we have built an incredible stadium and I applaud them for that, but when does that excuse start to wear thin? When are we supposed to see actual real success on the pitch and not off it? All i see is a chairman and owners that have spearheaded a massive campaign to fleece supporters, yet have 1 league trophy in 23 years to show for it. It’s supporters like you that are the issue and the reason why they keep getting away with it. Thankfully, the vast majority of the fan base are now seeing the truth.
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Of course I don't and the two things aren't mutually exclusive. You're more blinkered than Sandy at times and you're not reading what I'm saying. I'm dealing in the pure facts. The club is, and has, spent a lot of money and is probably punching above it's wait for a non state owned club. Where it's gone wrong is that we've bought the wrong players, you even admit that yourself. We need to move away from this notion that we don't spend money and moan instead about how we spend it. We then might start getting somewhere with the owners. Ironically it's our "budget" buys that works out best for us so maybe something is working in the scouting system!
The only alternative is we sell to a state fund, rip the soul out of the club and sell out in the vain attempt at getting a trophy. It's supporters like you that's the problem. Maybe it's your age, I don't know, but football is more than just buying trophies. Go and support city if that's what you want.
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I would be horrified if Spurs went down the financially doped route.
Levy should be commended for the new stadium, and for giving Spurs fans several seasons of CL football, which is highly commendable when they are up against the financially doped City and Chelsea, and the two biggest clubs in the country United and Liverpool.
You never hear Newcastle, Leeds even West Ham fans moan about lack of silverware. Their fans just get behind the team and support them.
Spurs definitely have some of the biggest whiners in football, and amazingly none of them ever set foot in WHL.
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I been to WHL plenty, but even if I didn’t, it doesn’t make my opinion on Spurs less valid than yours. Big difference like Fridge boy points out is Newcastle, Westham etc are not currently the traditional big 6. If they were, they would be expecting more trophies than 1 measily league cup in 23 years. Spurs are the only club in the top 6 that are immune to winning trophies and that’s largely down to your bald fraud of a friend
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I know I sound like I'm pro Levy (I'm not, I've never really forgiven him for the sacking of Jol and Poch but the club will always have my full backing) but your last sentence is wrong in my opinion.
You've got to consider the role of a club chairman. They have to run an international business, keep it solvent and of course profitable, but also build a team capable of challenging for trophies and playing at the highest level in Europe. During the time you mention we have reached several finals or the very latter stages of cups, put in a couple of near prem title pushes, become consistently in the Champs league and we even made a flippin final in that! That shows he's built decent teams capable of what we all want to see. What lets us down at the final hurdle is the players on the day. We've had teams capable of winning all of the above. What's the chairman supposed to do?! If he was demanding that Kane is dropped so he could play up front you may have a point, but when it comes to a final etc, he's done his bit. We could have any owner and the above can still happen.
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Yes i get that, but the issue has always been we haven’t quite had the squad capable of getting over the line. We have always relied on a 1st 11 because our squad was never truly quality enough and that falls on the chairman who has failed to provide. The squads of the others are always dripped in quality and they have the trophies to show for it. Why do Spurs constantly fail to deliver silverware?
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I think it's called "Spursy"
posted on 20/12/22
I think most have to admit Spurs have upped their game in many departments. Our signings in the last 18 months have all been pretty successful. Those critical of Spurs cheap signings always conveniently ignore that many of our best players are cheap deals. Bentancur Kulusevski and Romero for about the same as Liverpool spent on Nunez.
Many also ignore that we cannot do it in one window. Since Conte has arrived we've added Deki Bentancur Richarlison Perisic Bissouma Lenglet. These are big improvements in 2 windows and while we need more they have to be available and affordable. People talk about needing a top CB RWB and AM and question why we haven't, but that's probably another 150m or more, and we have players to shift too.
I don't buy this "no money to spend" line fed to the media. Let's see what happens. Expectations need to be controlled as the Jan window is in particular hard to get big signings unless you spend silly or find bargains and we don't have limitless money...but we do have money.
Lets just see what we spend and on who. No doubt Conte and Levy working on the same strategy, and if they are not we will soon know about it.
We're a work in progress and are nowhere near the end of our journey. Klopp had Liverpool ending 8th in his first season. We're already well ahead of that curve, and Arteta's progress. For some reason Spurs fans think we should be winning the league right now
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