comment by Silver (U6112)
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comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
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comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 15 hours, 17 minutes ago
I’ve never bought into any conspiracy theories and doing so makes us look pathetic.
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Not conspiracy theories but the research done into the inherent or unconscious biases in NBA refereeing is insightful in how, when looked at collectively, some clubs can benefit from decisions more than others. Not a chance that the parochial, private and paranoid SFA would lift a finger to investigate that in Scottish football.
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The argument is valid, the part that baffles me is that a number of Celtic supporters seem to believe it is only one way. It never seems to be the case that the bias referenced positively impacts Celtic. The 60k crowd at Parkhead has no apparent influence, the years of writing complaints to the SFA and putting pressure on referees or stoning their houses has no influence, the wide representation on SPFL and SFA boards has no influence. It's all just a one way bias against Celtic who have dominated the game in terms of trophies over the last 20 years.
I also find it baffling they seem to be the most vocal against VAR despite telling us for years how corrupt our refs are. The introduction of technology that allows another view and another set of eyes on the day you would think would appease people with this mindset but instead it has only seemed to heighten their paranoia.
It's all very bizarre.
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Now now, Celtic voted for VAR. Anything you've heard from the club or management concerns consistency and speed of decisions, something I am sure all clubs and fans would want to get behind, no?
As for the SFA, NBA = basketball; basketball = hoops; hoops = bad; nothing to see here.
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I was about to say that I thought Celtic had voted for VAR
If the refs and VAR say ‘Nothing to see’ then that’s it. Time to move on 👍
Wasn't referring to the club just to be clear, more the paranoid individuals who feel there is a conspiracy against Celtic. I'd have thought VAR would placate their fears but it seems to have just added more fuel to it.
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted 33 seconds ago
Wasn't referring to the club just to be clear, more the paranoid individuals who feel there is a conspiracy against Celtic. I'd have thought VAR would placate their fears but it seems to have just added more fuel to it.
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It does when we witness some extremely contentious decisions “go against us” and the blatant nonsense put up by the beaks for things like the Jota disallowed goal v Motherwell.
Hardly a surprise.
Some of that is internal though Ginger. For example the noise over the Goldson handball that led to comparisons against every other handball decision Celtic have been involved in since, despite the fact the ref not giving a penalty in that situation was the right call.
A couple of the penalties Celtic had given against them were the wrong decision, but they also benefitted from the same rule with the penalty they got against Livingston. The authorities used the winter break to revisit the interpretation of that rule and have taken a slightly different approach since, which should be welcomed.
It's not a conspiracy if the same standards are applied, I just always get the feeling some Celtic fans dont watch any other games to see these happen to every team and are applied fairly consistently.
Sorry when I say wrong decision on the penalties, I mean in my view. They were right by the letter of the law. It's the law that's a nonsense rather than the referees who apply it. I'm pleased there has been common sense and leeway in them making their own interpretation since.
The most shocking one for me and rightly complained about was the goal chopped off as offside when the camera used was from the other end of the pitch, that was un-fookin-believable.
"Not conspiracy theories but the research done into the inherent or unconscious biases in NBA refereeing is insightful in how, when looked at collectively, some clubs can benefit from decisions more than others. Not a chance that the parochial, private and paranoid SFA would lift a finger to investigate that in Scottish football."
If the SFA were to do that....I'd bet my house on them finding, without doubt, that some clubs benefitted from decisions more than others in this country.......with Rangers AND Celtic being the two clubs who benefitted most.
Even if that was the case, I'm sure the conspiracy theories would still be rife that "aye, but Rangers are the number one benefitters, we're number two, how's that fair"
the decisions which have gone against us with VAR are absolute belters tbf
Early days. Someone ought to be putting together stats focussed on what VAR has got right, perhaps comparing with period pre-VAR and actually selling the positives of the implementation. That someone ought to be the SFA but as they do fck all to sell the game and Allan is the invisible man then do not hold your breath. They really don't help themselves - like the fckn monarchy - never explain, never complain.
Can only speak for the games I've seen but I think VAR on the whole has got things more right than wrong.
There hasn't been a goal scored that shouldn't have counted and I think only the Dundee United red card is one they got wrong. There have been debatable penalty decisions but that's down to the rule rather than the referees.
I remember just how absolutely awful it was pre VAR and in the time it has been introduced it feels we're talking less and less about absolute blatant howlers than we were before. Well everyone except a portion of Celtic supporters who seem adamant it's only beefed up the conspiracy.
Sorry but there have been 2 absolute shockers of handballs that have went against Celtic. The one where Bernabei jumps and his hands are behind his back and the Hearts boy basically slapping down the ball clear as day as if it was a basketball, anyone who thinks those decisions were right simply wont budge on their opinion out of sheer stubborness.
Can only speak for the games I've seen but I think VAR on the whole has got things more right than wrong.
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this doesn't shock me since you watch rangers games.
comment by Lexballielegend (U22945)
posted 3 minutes ago
Sorry but there have been 2 absolute shockers of handballs that have went against Celtic. The one where Bernabei jumps and his hands are behind his back and the Hearts boy basically slapping down the ball clear as day as if it was a basketball, anyone who thinks those decisions were right simply wont budge on their opinion out of sheer stubborness.
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was they not given prior to the rule being changed again to avoid just giving pens or for any hand ball?
or not the "rule" exactly but the interpretation of it.
There was a specific point here they said they wouldnt be as stringent about the handballs as they had been early in the season which was felt in more than just our league. I think they kinda revised or aske them to be more lenient prior to world cup starting ?
The Bernabei one is a penalty by the law though, that's the issue rather than the rule.
The one at Hearts should have been a penalty, that one is a mystery. My only thought on that is it was the first game with VAR and just 2 minutes before Walsh overlooked the Hearts pen before VAR intervened. He was possibly embarrassed that in the first half of the first game with the technology he's having to admit to making 2 key errors. With Walsh being a Celtic supporter we can certainly rule out any anti Celtic bias being behind it.
Anyone got any links to where they’ve said that officials should change their view on how handball is interpreted? I take it that’s it’s came from IFAB, FIFA, UEFA, the SPFL or the SFA?
Genuine question because I’ve not seen anything about that.
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted 25 seconds ago
The Bernabei one is a penalty by the law though, that's the issue rather than the rule.
The one at Hearts should have been a penalty, that one is a mystery. My only thought on that is it was the first game with VAR and just 2 minutes before Walsh overlooked the Hearts pen before VAR intervened. He was possibly embarrassed that in the first half of the first game with the technology he's having to admit to making 2 key errors. With Walsh being a Celtic supporter we can certainly rule out any anti Celtic bias being behind it.
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Was that the same game Ralston had a goal disallowed in for an infringement that no one could really identify?
Even so, giving or not giving handballs then saying lets change the rule after the fact is pathetic and tbh if they are giving pens for any handball how the fook is the Hearts one not a pen?
comment by Lexballielegend (U22945)
posted 9 minutes ago
Even so, giving or not giving handballs then saying lets change the rule after the fact is pathetic and tbh if they are giving pens for any handball how the fook is the Hearts one not a pen?
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hmmm im a bit indifferent to it. if something is broken or not working the way its intended and you have the power to change it the it makes sense to do so. especially when dealing with big changes for the first time.
(POV)Im not sure if there was official rule or legislation changes or if it was just a agreed sorta thing amongst the refs given the feedback from the leagues.
I know the rule was officially updated during the summer from last year in regards to handball, whether that was officially modified since then I have no idea
Aye I get that but lets say that was against your team the hearts handball and a week later your player does it and its given against you, powers that be tell your side sorry last week was wrong it wasn't working so we decided to change it during the week and thats unfortunate but sorry about that.
I don't think there was any official rule change so no statement. What I read was the SFA/SPFL and the ref bodies got together during the break and analysed a number of the decisions before agreeing they could apply some common sense to the rule. Hence why we haven't seen as many pens across the board given since.
I think that should be applauded, it's unfortunate that a couple of decisions were given before that was applied but at the same time it was unfortunate that some teams were on the end of horrendous referee decisions this season before VAR came in to play. I'd rather they intervened and the game was less farcical than just keep it that way for the rest of the season for the sake of it.
‘ (POV)Im not sure if there was official rule or legislation changes or if it was just a agreed sorta thing amongst the refs given the feedback from the leagues.
I know the rule was officially updated during the summer from last year in regards to handball, whether that was officially modified since then I have no idea’
Can the refs do that? Just decide amongst themselves how they should interpret handball?
I’ve honestly not seen anything official about a change to the interpretation of the handball rule, which is why I’m asking.
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted 25 seconds ago
The Bernabei one is a penalty by the law though, that's the issue rather than the rule.
The one at Hearts should have been a penalty, that one is a mystery. My only thought on that is it was the first game with VAR and just 2 minutes before Walsh overlooked the Hearts pen before VAR intervened. He was possibly embarrassed that in the first half of the first game with the technology he's having to admit to making 2 key errors. With Walsh being a Celtic supporter we can certainly rule out any anti Celtic bias being behind it.
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Was that the same game Ralston had a goal disallowed in for an infringement that no one could really identify?
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I think the issue with the Ralston one was the ref blowing for a foul very early and as a result VAR couldn't intervene. I think that one is pretty understandable.
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posted on 17/1/23
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 15 hours, 17 minutes ago
I’ve never bought into any conspiracy theories and doing so makes us look pathetic.
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Not conspiracy theories but the research done into the inherent or unconscious biases in NBA refereeing is insightful in how, when looked at collectively, some clubs can benefit from decisions more than others. Not a chance that the parochial, private and paranoid SFA would lift a finger to investigate that in Scottish football.
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The argument is valid, the part that baffles me is that a number of Celtic supporters seem to believe it is only one way. It never seems to be the case that the bias referenced positively impacts Celtic. The 60k crowd at Parkhead has no apparent influence, the years of writing complaints to the SFA and putting pressure on referees or stoning their houses has no influence, the wide representation on SPFL and SFA boards has no influence. It's all just a one way bias against Celtic who have dominated the game in terms of trophies over the last 20 years.
I also find it baffling they seem to be the most vocal against VAR despite telling us for years how corrupt our refs are. The introduction of technology that allows another view and another set of eyes on the day you would think would appease people with this mindset but instead it has only seemed to heighten their paranoia.
It's all very bizarre.
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Now now, Celtic voted for VAR. Anything you've heard from the club or management concerns consistency and speed of decisions, something I am sure all clubs and fans would want to get behind, no?
As for the SFA, NBA = basketball; basketball = hoops; hoops = bad; nothing to see here.
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I was about to say that I thought Celtic had voted for VAR
posted on 17/1/23
If the refs and VAR say ‘Nothing to see’ then that’s it. Time to move on 👍
posted on 17/1/23
Wasn't referring to the club just to be clear, more the paranoid individuals who feel there is a conspiracy against Celtic. I'd have thought VAR would placate their fears but it seems to have just added more fuel to it.
posted on 17/1/23
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted 33 seconds ago
Wasn't referring to the club just to be clear, more the paranoid individuals who feel there is a conspiracy against Celtic. I'd have thought VAR would placate their fears but it seems to have just added more fuel to it.
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It does when we witness some extremely contentious decisions “go against us” and the blatant nonsense put up by the beaks for things like the Jota disallowed goal v Motherwell.
Hardly a surprise.
posted on 17/1/23
Some of that is internal though Ginger. For example the noise over the Goldson handball that led to comparisons against every other handball decision Celtic have been involved in since, despite the fact the ref not giving a penalty in that situation was the right call.
A couple of the penalties Celtic had given against them were the wrong decision, but they also benefitted from the same rule with the penalty they got against Livingston. The authorities used the winter break to revisit the interpretation of that rule and have taken a slightly different approach since, which should be welcomed.
It's not a conspiracy if the same standards are applied, I just always get the feeling some Celtic fans dont watch any other games to see these happen to every team and are applied fairly consistently.
posted on 17/1/23
Sorry when I say wrong decision on the penalties, I mean in my view. They were right by the letter of the law. It's the law that's a nonsense rather than the referees who apply it. I'm pleased there has been common sense and leeway in them making their own interpretation since.
posted on 17/1/23
The most shocking one for me and rightly complained about was the goal chopped off as offside when the camera used was from the other end of the pitch, that was un-fookin-believable.
posted on 17/1/23
"Not conspiracy theories but the research done into the inherent or unconscious biases in NBA refereeing is insightful in how, when looked at collectively, some clubs can benefit from decisions more than others. Not a chance that the parochial, private and paranoid SFA would lift a finger to investigate that in Scottish football."
If the SFA were to do that....I'd bet my house on them finding, without doubt, that some clubs benefitted from decisions more than others in this country.......with Rangers AND Celtic being the two clubs who benefitted most.
Even if that was the case, I'm sure the conspiracy theories would still be rife that "aye, but Rangers are the number one benefitters, we're number two, how's that fair"
posted on 17/1/23
the decisions which have gone against us with VAR are absolute belters tbf
posted on 17/1/23
Early days. Someone ought to be putting together stats focussed on what VAR has got right, perhaps comparing with period pre-VAR and actually selling the positives of the implementation. That someone ought to be the SFA but as they do fck all to sell the game and Allan is the invisible man then do not hold your breath. They really don't help themselves - like the fckn monarchy - never explain, never complain.
posted on 17/1/23
Can only speak for the games I've seen but I think VAR on the whole has got things more right than wrong.
There hasn't been a goal scored that shouldn't have counted and I think only the Dundee United red card is one they got wrong. There have been debatable penalty decisions but that's down to the rule rather than the referees.
I remember just how absolutely awful it was pre VAR and in the time it has been introduced it feels we're talking less and less about absolute blatant howlers than we were before. Well everyone except a portion of Celtic supporters who seem adamant it's only beefed up the conspiracy.
posted on 17/1/23
Sorry but there have been 2 absolute shockers of handballs that have went against Celtic. The one where Bernabei jumps and his hands are behind his back and the Hearts boy basically slapping down the ball clear as day as if it was a basketball, anyone who thinks those decisions were right simply wont budge on their opinion out of sheer stubborness.
posted on 17/1/23
Can only speak for the games I've seen but I think VAR on the whole has got things more right than wrong.
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this doesn't shock me since you watch rangers games.
posted on 17/1/23
comment by Lexballielegend (U22945)
posted 3 minutes ago
Sorry but there have been 2 absolute shockers of handballs that have went against Celtic. The one where Bernabei jumps and his hands are behind his back and the Hearts boy basically slapping down the ball clear as day as if it was a basketball, anyone who thinks those decisions were right simply wont budge on their opinion out of sheer stubborness.
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was they not given prior to the rule being changed again to avoid just giving pens or for any hand ball?
posted on 17/1/23
or not the "rule" exactly but the interpretation of it.
There was a specific point here they said they wouldnt be as stringent about the handballs as they had been early in the season which was felt in more than just our league. I think they kinda revised or aske them to be more lenient prior to world cup starting ?
posted on 17/1/23
The Bernabei one is a penalty by the law though, that's the issue rather than the rule.
The one at Hearts should have been a penalty, that one is a mystery. My only thought on that is it was the first game with VAR and just 2 minutes before Walsh overlooked the Hearts pen before VAR intervened. He was possibly embarrassed that in the first half of the first game with the technology he's having to admit to making 2 key errors. With Walsh being a Celtic supporter we can certainly rule out any anti Celtic bias being behind it.
posted on 17/1/23
*rather than the ref
posted on 17/1/23
Anyone got any links to where they’ve said that officials should change their view on how handball is interpreted? I take it that’s it’s came from IFAB, FIFA, UEFA, the SPFL or the SFA?
Genuine question because I’ve not seen anything about that.
posted on 17/1/23
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted 25 seconds ago
The Bernabei one is a penalty by the law though, that's the issue rather than the rule.
The one at Hearts should have been a penalty, that one is a mystery. My only thought on that is it was the first game with VAR and just 2 minutes before Walsh overlooked the Hearts pen before VAR intervened. He was possibly embarrassed that in the first half of the first game with the technology he's having to admit to making 2 key errors. With Walsh being a Celtic supporter we can certainly rule out any anti Celtic bias being behind it.
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Was that the same game Ralston had a goal disallowed in for an infringement that no one could really identify?
posted on 17/1/23
Even so, giving or not giving handballs then saying lets change the rule after the fact is pathetic and tbh if they are giving pens for any handball how the fook is the Hearts one not a pen?
posted on 17/1/23
comment by Lexballielegend (U22945)
posted 9 minutes ago
Even so, giving or not giving handballs then saying lets change the rule after the fact is pathetic and tbh if they are giving pens for any handball how the fook is the Hearts one not a pen?
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hmmm im a bit indifferent to it. if something is broken or not working the way its intended and you have the power to change it the it makes sense to do so. especially when dealing with big changes for the first time.
(POV)Im not sure if there was official rule or legislation changes or if it was just a agreed sorta thing amongst the refs given the feedback from the leagues.
I know the rule was officially updated during the summer from last year in regards to handball, whether that was officially modified since then I have no idea
posted on 17/1/23
Aye I get that but lets say that was against your team the hearts handball and a week later your player does it and its given against you, powers that be tell your side sorry last week was wrong it wasn't working so we decided to change it during the week and thats unfortunate but sorry about that.
posted on 17/1/23
I don't think there was any official rule change so no statement. What I read was the SFA/SPFL and the ref bodies got together during the break and analysed a number of the decisions before agreeing they could apply some common sense to the rule. Hence why we haven't seen as many pens across the board given since.
I think that should be applauded, it's unfortunate that a couple of decisions were given before that was applied but at the same time it was unfortunate that some teams were on the end of horrendous referee decisions this season before VAR came in to play. I'd rather they intervened and the game was less farcical than just keep it that way for the rest of the season for the sake of it.
posted on 17/1/23
‘ (POV)Im not sure if there was official rule or legislation changes or if it was just a agreed sorta thing amongst the refs given the feedback from the leagues.
I know the rule was officially updated during the summer from last year in regards to handball, whether that was officially modified since then I have no idea’
Can the refs do that? Just decide amongst themselves how they should interpret handball?
I’ve honestly not seen anything official about a change to the interpretation of the handball rule, which is why I’m asking.
posted on 17/1/23
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted 25 seconds ago
The Bernabei one is a penalty by the law though, that's the issue rather than the rule.
The one at Hearts should have been a penalty, that one is a mystery. My only thought on that is it was the first game with VAR and just 2 minutes before Walsh overlooked the Hearts pen before VAR intervened. He was possibly embarrassed that in the first half of the first game with the technology he's having to admit to making 2 key errors. With Walsh being a Celtic supporter we can certainly rule out any anti Celtic bias being behind it.
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Was that the same game Ralston had a goal disallowed in for an infringement that no one could really identify?
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I think the issue with the Ralston one was the ref blowing for a foul very early and as a result VAR couldn't intervene. I think that one is pretty understandable.
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