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comment by Mummy's Hairy Growler (U10045)
posted 2 minutes ago
If someone was trying to give unfavourable decisions against celtic then they wouldn't be able to be successful.
You'd have players sent off left right and centre for simple things like unsporting behaviour. You don't need var to punish a team
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Sorry-genuinely don’t know what you mean here?
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Its easier for a ref to disadvantage Celtic by carding players for descent than dodgy var. Rangers can't have been helped because they didn't win anything
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Think we’re going to an extreme, but there has to be actual dissent for that to happen. Our referees are poor, and my point being is that there are-in my eyes-statistical anomalies in penalties awarded and conceded.
You’re trying to drive this down the road of a conspiracy, and it’s not something I subscribe to.
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Celtic having such a successful season playing attacking football matched with Rangers playing poorly is a basic understanding of whatever discrepancies you may find
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Yet with all our attack minded football, we receive fewer penalties?
A simple explanation is that your good players aren't able to be brought down in the box because of the style of football celtic play. Rangers have been far more scrappy so it's logical to think that's why we get more.
‘You’re clearly new to Scottish football if you think both Rangers and Celtic don’t face the same tactics, and the park the bus most teams employ.’
I’ve no idea why you’ve brought this up, but if we’re facing the same tactics, how do rangers-a poorer team during the last 7 years-receive more penalties?
‘It’s a daft point to start by looking at goals. There will be charts I’m sure that state percentages in final third.
Shots wouldn’t Show it either, given as most will know main criticism of Kent is he doesn’t because he doesn’t shoot.’
It’s not. It’s evidence over 7 years of how attack minded a team are! This isn’t rocket science.
‘But you continue to jump to conclusions. That’s all this debate is really, Celtic fans jumping to conclusions without actually considering the relevant circumstances.’
What conclusion have I jumped to?! I posted some facts-that rangers have conceded fewer penalties but gained more over a sustained period of time. This is a statistical anomaly considering the success of both teams over that period, and when compared to other European leagues. That’s not me jumping to any conclusion-it’s factual.
‘You could similarly look at stats as evidence that refs are far more lenient with Celtic, given that a far higher number of fouls to yellow cards. It’s an anomaly as you say in comparison to the rest of the league. So clearly Celtic get it easy from refs when they should have more yellow cards given against them.’
If you can show this over the same period I have, then I’m happy to discuss it. What I do know is that (having watched most of the games over this period) is that we have fouls given against us for absolutely nothing, and that we more recently tend to give innocuous fouls away in areas that aren’t dangerous. I have seen us commit fouls that I’ve felt should have received cards for, but it’s nominal when compared to how many times I’ve seen a opposition player just fall over when one of our players is just in the vicinity.
‘Don’t think it was conclusive that Tav actually handled it when you looked at other angles.’
It was. It’s not even debatable.
‘Your point on us not dealing with setbacks is daft. Clearly there have been other setbacks Rangers have faced. Clearly Celtic have been better than us.’
Look how often Celtic have faced a setback, conceding a late goal, etc-yet they’ve gone on to win the game. Compare that to rangers. Your team doesn’t deal with setbacks as well as Celtic have in recent years.
‘Offside is offside. It was clearly offside.’
No, he wasn’t ‘clearly’ offside at all. He was actually onside. I know you don’t want to change that narrative as it helps assuage that defeat, but he wasn’t.
Anyone can post their own opinions as fact and be dismissive of others opinions The child like nature of the points being made and why they are supportable is why you’re a conspiracy theorist
comment by Mummy's Hairy Growler (U10045)
posted 8 minutes ago
A simple explanation is that your good players aren't able to be brought down in the box because of the style of football celtic play. Rangers have been far more scrappy so it's logical to think that's why we get more.
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To an extent, possibly. But our style of play has changed through different managers over that 7 year period of time. Rangers have had Warburton, Murty, Caixinha, Gerrard, GVB and Beale during that period. With your ‘scrappy’ style of play over that time, the poorer players you’ve had, you’ve still managed to concede 10 fewer penalties during that time, yet received 5 more?!
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 11 seconds ago
Anyone can post their own opinions as fact and be dismissive of others opinionsThe child like nature of the points being made and why they are supportable is why you’re a conspiracy theorist
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The number of penalties received and penalties lost isn’t an opinion though, is it?
The fact that Celtic have been the dominate team during the 7 year period-is that an opinion or is that a fact?
Think it’s you that’s posting opinions as facts and just dismissing every salient point made.
Incredible.
I’ve not dismissed any stats. I’ve been dismissive of some child like narrative on goals to support opinions.
And have been dismissive of the overall point, giving evidence of other incidents that have actually cost Rangers.
On the offside cup final goal, even Ajer admitted it was offside. Strange that.
Why are you so interested in this supposed anomaly if you don't believe there's something more nefarious behind it? I'm sure you could pick out numerous other anomalies such as Celtic's fouls to yellow cards ratio as was mentioned earlier. So what about Rangers' penalty record is so fascinating to you that it merits such deep investigation and what insightful analysis can you offer? Why is it so interesting that Rangers have been awarded the same number of penalties this season as Hearts despite having a far stronger attacking record than them and conceded only three fewer than Ross County and St Johnstone despite those two teams having a heck of a lot more defending to do than Rangers?
‘I’ve not dismissed any stats. I’ve been dismissive of some child like narrative on goals to support opinions.’
Are you seriously suggesting that Celtic being the dominant team over a sustained period of time, and that the number of goals scored over a sustained period of time means nothing? Genuinely?
‘And have been dismissive of the overall point, giving evidence of other incidents that have actually cost Rangers.’
And I’ve shown how a team can deal with setbacks. Not our fault we deal with incidents that could cost us better than rangers have over that period of time.
‘On the offside cup final goal, even Ajer admitted it was offside. Strange that.’
You can remember a quote from 4 years ago from an opposition player, but not incidents from this season?!
I had to look it up and that’s not exactly what he said, was it?
‘We scored MAYBE a wee offside goal, which I loved! It was amazing. There’s nothing better. To have a missed penalty and an offside goal, it made a bad game very sweet!’
I think the big man was just at the wum there.
comment by WorkPermitPending (U1067)
posted 4 minutes ago
Why are you so interested in this supposed anomaly if you don't believe there's something more nefarious behind it? I'm sure you could pick out numerous other anomalies such as Celtic's fouls to yellow cards ratio as was mentioned earlier. So what about Rangers' penalty record is so fascinating to you that it merits such deep investigation and what insightful analysis can you offer? Why is it so interesting that Rangers have been awarded the same number of penalties this season as Hearts despite having a far stronger attacking record than them and conceded only three fewer than Ross County and St Johnstone despite those two teams having a heck of a lot more defending to do than Rangers?
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It’s a forum for debate. You might have noticed.
Folk keep wanting to talk about this season, but ignore that’s not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about a sustained period of time. It’s a much better gauge. Of course, if you’re on the receiving end of positive results, then you don’t want to discuss it.
I’m answering comments. That’s all. I even answered about the fouls to cards ratio for Celtic-even though the same analysis hasn’t been done.
The question really is why are rangers fans so dismissive of such an incredibly anomaly.
‘Answering’
It was from this year, first one that came up on Twitter. Here’s a pic that also came up
https://twitter.com/RangersTalk55/status/1453708031095607299
The same analysis has been done for this year for fouls though. Celtic fans are obviously weirder and have more time and so have looked at all pens.
Was it 2015/16 Celtic didn’t concede a pen? Is that why you didn’t include that season.
The single biggest and most important anomaly is that Celtic have won far more titles and cups than any other team over the past 10 years.
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comment by WorkPermitPending (U1067)
posted 4 minutes ago
Why are you so interested in this supposed anomaly if you don't believe there's something more nefarious behind it? I'm sure you could pick out numerous other anomalies such as Celtic's fouls to yellow cards ratio as was mentioned earlier. So what about Rangers' penalty record is so fascinating to you that it merits such deep investigation and what insightful analysis can you offer? Why is it so interesting that Rangers have been awarded the same number of penalties this season as Hearts despite having a far stronger attacking record than them and conceded only three fewer than Ross County and St Johnstone despite those two teams having a heck of a lot more defending to do than Rangers?
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It’s a forum for debate. You might have noticed.
Folk keep wanting to talk about this season, but ignore that’s not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about a sustained period of time. It’s a much better gauge. Of course, if you’re on the receiving end of positive results, then you don’t want to discuss it.
I’m answering comments. That’s all. I even answered about the fouls to cards ratio for Celtic-even though the same analysis hasn’t been done.
The question really is why are rangers fans so dismissive of such an incredibly anomaly.
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What are the stats over a 50 year period?
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comment by WorkPermitPending (U1067)
posted 4 minutes ago
Why are you so interested in this supposed anomaly if you don't believe there's something more nefarious behind it? I'm sure you could pick out numerous other anomalies such as Celtic's fouls to yellow cards ratio as was mentioned earlier. So what about Rangers' penalty record is so fascinating to you that it merits such deep investigation and what insightful analysis can you offer? Why is it so interesting that Rangers have been awarded the same number of penalties this season as Hearts despite having a far stronger attacking record than them and conceded only three fewer than Ross County and St Johnstone despite those two teams having a heck of a lot more defending to do than Rangers?
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It’s a forum for debate. You might have noticed.
Folk keep wanting to talk about this season, but ignore that’s not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about a sustained period of time. It’s a much better gauge. Of course, if you’re on the receiving end of positive results, then you don’t want to discuss it.
I’m answering comments. That’s all. I even answered about the fouls to cards ratio for Celtic-even though the same analysis hasn’t been done.
The question really is why are rangers fans so dismissive of such an incredibly anomaly.
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Last season Rangers received seven penalties - the same number as Celtic and two fewer than the attacking behemoth that was Ross County. That season they conceded three penalties - one more than Celtic (and Hearts). What exactly is the anomaly again? Was it paused that season? Or is it makey-up?
The fact remains... Rangers are currently the WORLD RECORD holders for the penalty differential.
Explain that.
comment by Zico 🏴 Fold like a pack of cards... (U21900)
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The fact remains... Rangers are currently the WORLD RECORD holders for the penalty differential.
Explain that.
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And Celtic have won more trophies. So explain that
comment by Zico 🏴 Fold like a pack of cards... (U21900)
posted 19 minutes ago
The fact remains... Rangers are currently the WORLD RECORD holders for the penalty differential.
Explain that.
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Congratulations, you have calculated the difference between two numbers with zero correlation to imagine up a conspiracy theory - sorry, anomaly - against your team. Now what team is the WORLD RECORD holder for sliding tackle differential?
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 46 minutes ago
‘Answering’
It was from this year, first one that came up on Twitter. Here’s a pic that also came up
https://twitter.com/RangersTalk55/status/1453708031095607299
The same analysis has been done for this year for fouls though. Celtic fans are obviously weirder and have more time and so have looked at all pens.
Was it 2015/16 Celtic didn’t concede a pen? Is that why you didn’t include that season.
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You got one where you can actually see the ball being struck?! Might make a difference…
You can pick any year and use that to suit. That’s why I used a larger sample size. You keep wanting to change things to 1 incident or 1 season-that wasn’t my point. My point was over a sustained period of time to give the bigger picture. I was going to say I’ve no idea why you and WMP keep doing it, but I do know.
I’ve no idea what season we went without conceding a penalty. I thought seeing as the earlier point being made was about the difference in the opposition then it was more than fair to use figures since you came back into the top tier. It wouldn’t be right to use figures from rangers playing in the lower leagues as that’s inferior opposition. That makes sense, doesn’t it?
Anything else you want to make a cvnt of?
comment by Mummy's Hairy Growler (U10045)
posted 50 minutes ago
The single biggest and most important anomaly is that Celtic have won far more titles and cups than any other team over the past 10 years.
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It’s not really an anomaly though, is it? The league has been a 2 horse race for decades now. One of the horses is suffering from being lame though…
Celtic have made more money and won more trophies over the last 10 years than any other club in Scotland whilst having Neil Lennon and Ronny Deila as managers.
Explain that
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comment by Mummy's Hairy Growler (U10045)
posted 50 minutes ago
The single biggest and most important anomaly is that Celtic have won far more titles and cups than any other team over the past 10 years.
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It’s not really an anomaly though, is it? The league has been a 2 horse race for decades now. One of the horses is suffering from being lame though…
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To win so many trophies in a row literally is an anomaly though. 3 times since the formation of both clubs have 9 league titles been won in a row.
The reason I have picked stats for individual seasons is because A) they're easy to find, and B) they illustrate wide variability in the data. The second point is critical because it shows there is no discernible pattern over the period you've chosen to examine - a period you've chosen because one stat (a comparison of two unrelated numbers) suits the argument you want to make.
comment by WorkPermitPending (U1067)
posted 2 minutes ago
The reason I have picked stats for individual seasons is because A) they're easy to find, and B) they illustrate wide variability in the data. The second point is critical because it shows there is no discernible pattern over the period you've chosen to examine - a period you've chosen because one stat (a comparison of two unrelated numbers) suits the argument you want to make.
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They are also meaningless stats that have no impact on success. The real anomaly is how have celtic because so much more financially successful than Rangers despite both clubs being of similar size and achieving similar success
Celtic have had a great season and have a squad littered with talent headed by an experienced, talented and well liked manager. The obsession with meaningless stats is beyond bizzare
comment by Changing my name from My POV - but not decided... (U10636)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 46 minutes ago
‘Answering’
It was from this year, first one that came up on Twitter. Here’s a pic that also came up
https://twitter.com/RangersTalk55/status/1453708031095607299
The same analysis has been done for this year for fouls though. Celtic fans are obviously weirder and have more time and so have looked at all pens.
Was it 2015/16 Celtic didn’t concede a pen? Is that why you didn’t include that season.
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You got one where you can actually see the ball being struck?! Might make a difference…
You can pick any year and use that to suit. That’s why I used a larger sample size. You keep wanting to change things to 1 incident or 1 season-that wasn’t my point. My point was over a sustained period of time to give the bigger picture. I was going to say I’ve no idea why you and WMP keep doing it, but I do know.
I’ve no idea what season we went without conceding a penalty. I thought seeing as the earlier point being made was about the difference in the opposition then it was more than fair to use figures since you came back into the top tier. It wouldn’t be right to use figures from rangers playing in the lower leagues as that’s inferior opposition. That makes sense, doesn’t it?
Anything else you want to make a cvnt of?
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That is the photo of the ball being hit, it’s deliberately zoomed to show the defensive line and how it was offside.
Perfect example of you twisting it to suit your narrative. Ajer saying it’s offside doesn’t count, a photo doesn’t count
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comment by Mummy's Hairy Growler (U10045)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Changing my name from My POV - but not decided what to change it to yet (U10636)
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comment by Mummy's Hairy Growler (U10045)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Changing my name from My POV - but not decided what to change it to yet (U10636)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by Mummy's Hairy Growler (U10045)
posted 2 minutes ago
If someone was trying to give unfavourable decisions against celtic then they wouldn't be able to be successful.
You'd have players sent off left right and centre for simple things like unsporting behaviour. You don't need var to punish a team
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Sorry-genuinely don’t know what you mean here?
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Its easier for a ref to disadvantage Celtic by carding players for descent than dodgy var. Rangers can't have been helped because they didn't win anything
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Think we’re going to an extreme, but there has to be actual dissent for that to happen. Our referees are poor, and my point being is that there are-in my eyes-statistical anomalies in penalties awarded and conceded.
You’re trying to drive this down the road of a conspiracy, and it’s not something I subscribe to.
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Celtic having such a successful season playing attacking football matched with Rangers playing poorly is a basic understanding of whatever discrepancies you may find
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Yet with all our attack minded football, we receive fewer penalties?
posted on 9/5/23
A simple explanation is that your good players aren't able to be brought down in the box because of the style of football celtic play. Rangers have been far more scrappy so it's logical to think that's why we get more.
posted on 9/5/23
‘You’re clearly new to Scottish football if you think both Rangers and Celtic don’t face the same tactics, and the park the bus most teams employ.’
I’ve no idea why you’ve brought this up, but if we’re facing the same tactics, how do rangers-a poorer team during the last 7 years-receive more penalties?
‘It’s a daft point to start by looking at goals. There will be charts I’m sure that state percentages in final third.
Shots wouldn’t Show it either, given as most will know main criticism of Kent is he doesn’t because he doesn’t shoot.’
It’s not. It’s evidence over 7 years of how attack minded a team are! This isn’t rocket science.
‘But you continue to jump to conclusions. That’s all this debate is really, Celtic fans jumping to conclusions without actually considering the relevant circumstances.’
What conclusion have I jumped to?! I posted some facts-that rangers have conceded fewer penalties but gained more over a sustained period of time. This is a statistical anomaly considering the success of both teams over that period, and when compared to other European leagues. That’s not me jumping to any conclusion-it’s factual.
‘You could similarly look at stats as evidence that refs are far more lenient with Celtic, given that a far higher number of fouls to yellow cards. It’s an anomaly as you say in comparison to the rest of the league. So clearly Celtic get it easy from refs when they should have more yellow cards given against them.’
If you can show this over the same period I have, then I’m happy to discuss it. What I do know is that (having watched most of the games over this period) is that we have fouls given against us for absolutely nothing, and that we more recently tend to give innocuous fouls away in areas that aren’t dangerous. I have seen us commit fouls that I’ve felt should have received cards for, but it’s nominal when compared to how many times I’ve seen a opposition player just fall over when one of our players is just in the vicinity.
‘Don’t think it was conclusive that Tav actually handled it when you looked at other angles.’
It was. It’s not even debatable.
‘Your point on us not dealing with setbacks is daft. Clearly there have been other setbacks Rangers have faced. Clearly Celtic have been better than us.’
Look how often Celtic have faced a setback, conceding a late goal, etc-yet they’ve gone on to win the game. Compare that to rangers. Your team doesn’t deal with setbacks as well as Celtic have in recent years.
‘Offside is offside. It was clearly offside.’
No, he wasn’t ‘clearly’ offside at all. He was actually onside. I know you don’t want to change that narrative as it helps assuage that defeat, but he wasn’t.
posted on 9/5/23
Anyone can post their own opinions as fact and be dismissive of others opinions The child like nature of the points being made and why they are supportable is why you’re a conspiracy theorist
posted on 9/5/23
comment by Mummy's Hairy Growler (U10045)
posted 8 minutes ago
A simple explanation is that your good players aren't able to be brought down in the box because of the style of football celtic play. Rangers have been far more scrappy so it's logical to think that's why we get more.
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To an extent, possibly. But our style of play has changed through different managers over that 7 year period of time. Rangers have had Warburton, Murty, Caixinha, Gerrard, GVB and Beale during that period. With your ‘scrappy’ style of play over that time, the poorer players you’ve had, you’ve still managed to concede 10 fewer penalties during that time, yet received 5 more?!
posted on 9/5/23
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 11 seconds ago
Anyone can post their own opinions as fact and be dismissive of others opinionsThe child like nature of the points being made and why they are supportable is why you’re a conspiracy theorist
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The number of penalties received and penalties lost isn’t an opinion though, is it?
The fact that Celtic have been the dominate team during the 7 year period-is that an opinion or is that a fact?
Think it’s you that’s posting opinions as facts and just dismissing every salient point made.
Incredible.
posted on 9/5/23
I’ve not dismissed any stats. I’ve been dismissive of some child like narrative on goals to support opinions.
And have been dismissive of the overall point, giving evidence of other incidents that have actually cost Rangers.
On the offside cup final goal, even Ajer admitted it was offside. Strange that.
posted on 9/5/23
Why are you so interested in this supposed anomaly if you don't believe there's something more nefarious behind it? I'm sure you could pick out numerous other anomalies such as Celtic's fouls to yellow cards ratio as was mentioned earlier. So what about Rangers' penalty record is so fascinating to you that it merits such deep investigation and what insightful analysis can you offer? Why is it so interesting that Rangers have been awarded the same number of penalties this season as Hearts despite having a far stronger attacking record than them and conceded only three fewer than Ross County and St Johnstone despite those two teams having a heck of a lot more defending to do than Rangers?
posted on 9/5/23
‘I’ve not dismissed any stats. I’ve been dismissive of some child like narrative on goals to support opinions.’
Are you seriously suggesting that Celtic being the dominant team over a sustained period of time, and that the number of goals scored over a sustained period of time means nothing? Genuinely?
‘And have been dismissive of the overall point, giving evidence of other incidents that have actually cost Rangers.’
And I’ve shown how a team can deal with setbacks. Not our fault we deal with incidents that could cost us better than rangers have over that period of time.
‘On the offside cup final goal, even Ajer admitted it was offside. Strange that.’
You can remember a quote from 4 years ago from an opposition player, but not incidents from this season?!
I had to look it up and that’s not exactly what he said, was it?
‘We scored MAYBE a wee offside goal, which I loved! It was amazing. There’s nothing better. To have a missed penalty and an offside goal, it made a bad game very sweet!’
I think the big man was just at the wum there.
posted on 9/5/23
comment by WorkPermitPending (U1067)
posted 4 minutes ago
Why are you so interested in this supposed anomaly if you don't believe there's something more nefarious behind it? I'm sure you could pick out numerous other anomalies such as Celtic's fouls to yellow cards ratio as was mentioned earlier. So what about Rangers' penalty record is so fascinating to you that it merits such deep investigation and what insightful analysis can you offer? Why is it so interesting that Rangers have been awarded the same number of penalties this season as Hearts despite having a far stronger attacking record than them and conceded only three fewer than Ross County and St Johnstone despite those two teams having a heck of a lot more defending to do than Rangers?
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It’s a forum for debate. You might have noticed.
Folk keep wanting to talk about this season, but ignore that’s not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about a sustained period of time. It’s a much better gauge. Of course, if you’re on the receiving end of positive results, then you don’t want to discuss it.
I’m answering comments. That’s all. I even answered about the fouls to cards ratio for Celtic-even though the same analysis hasn’t been done.
The question really is why are rangers fans so dismissive of such an incredibly anomaly.
posted on 9/5/23
‘Answering’
It was from this year, first one that came up on Twitter. Here’s a pic that also came up
https://twitter.com/RangersTalk55/status/1453708031095607299
The same analysis has been done for this year for fouls though. Celtic fans are obviously weirder and have more time and so have looked at all pens.
Was it 2015/16 Celtic didn’t concede a pen? Is that why you didn’t include that season.
posted on 9/5/23
The single biggest and most important anomaly is that Celtic have won far more titles and cups than any other team over the past 10 years.
posted on 9/5/23
comment by Changing my name from My POV - but not decided what to change it to yet (U10636)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by WorkPermitPending (U1067)
posted 4 minutes ago
Why are you so interested in this supposed anomaly if you don't believe there's something more nefarious behind it? I'm sure you could pick out numerous other anomalies such as Celtic's fouls to yellow cards ratio as was mentioned earlier. So what about Rangers' penalty record is so fascinating to you that it merits such deep investigation and what insightful analysis can you offer? Why is it so interesting that Rangers have been awarded the same number of penalties this season as Hearts despite having a far stronger attacking record than them and conceded only three fewer than Ross County and St Johnstone despite those two teams having a heck of a lot more defending to do than Rangers?
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It’s a forum for debate. You might have noticed.
Folk keep wanting to talk about this season, but ignore that’s not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about a sustained period of time. It’s a much better gauge. Of course, if you’re on the receiving end of positive results, then you don’t want to discuss it.
I’m answering comments. That’s all. I even answered about the fouls to cards ratio for Celtic-even though the same analysis hasn’t been done.
The question really is why are rangers fans so dismissive of such an incredibly anomaly.
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What are the stats over a 50 year period?
posted on 9/5/23
comment by Changing my name from My POV - but not decided what to change it to yet (U10636)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by WorkPermitPending (U1067)
posted 4 minutes ago
Why are you so interested in this supposed anomaly if you don't believe there's something more nefarious behind it? I'm sure you could pick out numerous other anomalies such as Celtic's fouls to yellow cards ratio as was mentioned earlier. So what about Rangers' penalty record is so fascinating to you that it merits such deep investigation and what insightful analysis can you offer? Why is it so interesting that Rangers have been awarded the same number of penalties this season as Hearts despite having a far stronger attacking record than them and conceded only three fewer than Ross County and St Johnstone despite those two teams having a heck of a lot more defending to do than Rangers?
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It’s a forum for debate. You might have noticed.
Folk keep wanting to talk about this season, but ignore that’s not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about a sustained period of time. It’s a much better gauge. Of course, if you’re on the receiving end of positive results, then you don’t want to discuss it.
I’m answering comments. That’s all. I even answered about the fouls to cards ratio for Celtic-even though the same analysis hasn’t been done.
The question really is why are rangers fans so dismissive of such an incredibly anomaly.
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Last season Rangers received seven penalties - the same number as Celtic and two fewer than the attacking behemoth that was Ross County. That season they conceded three penalties - one more than Celtic (and Hearts). What exactly is the anomaly again? Was it paused that season? Or is it makey-up?
posted on 9/5/23
The fact remains... Rangers are currently the WORLD RECORD holders for the penalty differential.
Explain that.
posted on 9/5/23
comment by Zico 🏴 Fold like a pack of cards... (U21900)
posted 6 minutes ago
The fact remains... Rangers are currently the WORLD RECORD holders for the penalty differential.
Explain that.
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And Celtic have won more trophies. So explain that
posted on 9/5/23
comment by Zico 🏴 Fold like a pack of cards... (U21900)
posted 19 minutes ago
The fact remains... Rangers are currently the WORLD RECORD holders for the penalty differential.
Explain that.
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Congratulations, you have calculated the difference between two numbers with zero correlation to imagine up a conspiracy theory - sorry, anomaly - against your team. Now what team is the WORLD RECORD holder for sliding tackle differential?
posted on 9/5/23
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 46 minutes ago
‘Answering’
It was from this year, first one that came up on Twitter. Here’s a pic that also came up
https://twitter.com/RangersTalk55/status/1453708031095607299
The same analysis has been done for this year for fouls though. Celtic fans are obviously weirder and have more time and so have looked at all pens.
Was it 2015/16 Celtic didn’t concede a pen? Is that why you didn’t include that season.
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You got one where you can actually see the ball being struck?! Might make a difference…
You can pick any year and use that to suit. That’s why I used a larger sample size. You keep wanting to change things to 1 incident or 1 season-that wasn’t my point. My point was over a sustained period of time to give the bigger picture. I was going to say I’ve no idea why you and WMP keep doing it, but I do know.
I’ve no idea what season we went without conceding a penalty. I thought seeing as the earlier point being made was about the difference in the opposition then it was more than fair to use figures since you came back into the top tier. It wouldn’t be right to use figures from rangers playing in the lower leagues as that’s inferior opposition. That makes sense, doesn’t it?
Anything else you want to make a cvnt of?
posted on 9/5/23
comment by Mummy's Hairy Growler (U10045)
posted 50 minutes ago
The single biggest and most important anomaly is that Celtic have won far more titles and cups than any other team over the past 10 years.
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It’s not really an anomaly though, is it? The league has been a 2 horse race for decades now. One of the horses is suffering from being lame though…
posted on 9/5/23
Celtic have made more money and won more trophies over the last 10 years than any other club in Scotland whilst having Neil Lennon and Ronny Deila as managers.
Explain that
posted on 9/5/23
comment by Changing my name from My POV - but not decided what to change it to yet (U10636)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Mummy's Hairy Growler (U10045)
posted 50 minutes ago
The single biggest and most important anomaly is that Celtic have won far more titles and cups than any other team over the past 10 years.
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It’s not really an anomaly though, is it? The league has been a 2 horse race for decades now. One of the horses is suffering from being lame though…
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To win so many trophies in a row literally is an anomaly though. 3 times since the formation of both clubs have 9 league titles been won in a row.
posted on 9/5/23
The reason I have picked stats for individual seasons is because A) they're easy to find, and B) they illustrate wide variability in the data. The second point is critical because it shows there is no discernible pattern over the period you've chosen to examine - a period you've chosen because one stat (a comparison of two unrelated numbers) suits the argument you want to make.
posted on 9/5/23
comment by WorkPermitPending (U1067)
posted 2 minutes ago
The reason I have picked stats for individual seasons is because A) they're easy to find, and B) they illustrate wide variability in the data. The second point is critical because it shows there is no discernible pattern over the period you've chosen to examine - a period you've chosen because one stat (a comparison of two unrelated numbers) suits the argument you want to make.
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They are also meaningless stats that have no impact on success. The real anomaly is how have celtic because so much more financially successful than Rangers despite both clubs being of similar size and achieving similar success
posted on 9/5/23
Celtic have had a great season and have a squad littered with talent headed by an experienced, talented and well liked manager. The obsession with meaningless stats is beyond bizzare
posted on 9/5/23
comment by Changing my name from My POV - but not decided... (U10636)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 46 minutes ago
‘Answering’
It was from this year, first one that came up on Twitter. Here’s a pic that also came up
https://twitter.com/RangersTalk55/status/1453708031095607299
The same analysis has been done for this year for fouls though. Celtic fans are obviously weirder and have more time and so have looked at all pens.
Was it 2015/16 Celtic didn’t concede a pen? Is that why you didn’t include that season.
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You got one where you can actually see the ball being struck?! Might make a difference…
You can pick any year and use that to suit. That’s why I used a larger sample size. You keep wanting to change things to 1 incident or 1 season-that wasn’t my point. My point was over a sustained period of time to give the bigger picture. I was going to say I’ve no idea why you and WMP keep doing it, but I do know.
I’ve no idea what season we went without conceding a penalty. I thought seeing as the earlier point being made was about the difference in the opposition then it was more than fair to use figures since you came back into the top tier. It wouldn’t be right to use figures from rangers playing in the lower leagues as that’s inferior opposition. That makes sense, doesn’t it?
Anything else you want to make a cvnt of?
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That is the photo of the ball being hit, it’s deliberately zoomed to show the defensive line and how it was offside.
Perfect example of you twisting it to suit your narrative. Ajer saying it’s offside doesn’t count, a photo doesn’t count
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