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posted on 14/2/23

comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 minute ago
Well we're going to need 2 CFs in the summer as Martial isn't reliable enough to be a back up, and Weghorst isn't doing enough at the moment to justify a permanent move.

With that in mind we still definitely need a first choice CF but I'd be quite happy to see Rashford deputising when needed whilst remaining first choice on the left, knowing we have Garnacho or Sancho to come in there when needed. I suspect Martial will still be around too as we're going to struggle to find any takers - so we might get 15 odd games out of him too I guess.
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I cant see us adding 2 CFs this Summer, not when we also need a CB and CM

posted on 14/2/23

comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Rdd II (U22942)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Rdd II (U22942)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
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comment by Rdd II (U22942)
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Rashford should stay Left whilst in such form.
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A lot of his goals since his return from the world cup have come from CF positions.
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Exactly. I'd leave well alone.
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Why? He is scoring goals from CF positions. Quite often late in games when he has been moved to CF. He is scoring tap ins, headers, left foot, right foot. And we have good options on the left side. Why wouldn't you give him a run as CF to see if he can make the step up and solve a huge problem and potentially save us £100m+?

It doesn't make any sense to me. We are in a decent position in the league in terms of finishing in the top 4. Now is the perfect time to trial him there and see if he can do it long term. If he can't then we move him back for the remainder of the season and buy a CF in the summer.
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If it ain't broke, don't fix it
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So you are happy with our CF options then?

You are also ignoring the fact that many of his goals in his current good form have come whilst playing CF. In fact, I can only think of 3 that I would consider classic Rashford goals running with teh ball from the left. Something he could still do at time - ala Henry.


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I'd prefer a specialist CF and then use Rashford left.

posted on 14/2/23

comment by Rdd II (U22942)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 minute ago
Well we're going to need 2 CFs in the summer as Martial isn't reliable enough to be a back up, and Weghorst isn't doing enough at the moment to justify a permanent move.

With that in mind we still definitely need a first choice CF but I'd be quite happy to see Rashford deputising when needed whilst remaining first choice on the left, knowing we have Garnacho or Sancho to come in there when needed. I suspect Martial will still be around too as we're going to struggle to find any takers - so we might get 15 odd games out of him too I guess.
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I cant see us adding 2 CFs this Summer, not when we also need a CB and CM
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Yeah, hence the suggestion in the comment

posted on 14/2/23

Do we not think the manager could coach any of our younger wide forwards to be CFs?

posted on 14/2/23

comment by Rdd II (U22942)
posted 2 minutes ago
Do we not think the manager could coach any of our younger wide forwards to be CFs?
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Who do you have in mind?

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 14/2/23

comment by Rdd II (U22942)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
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comment by Rdd II (U22942)
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Rashford should stay Left whilst in such form.
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A lot of his goals since his return from the world cup have come from CF positions.
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Exactly. I'd leave well alone.
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Why? He is scoring goals from CF positions. Quite often late in games when he has been moved to CF. He is scoring tap ins, headers, left foot, right foot. And we have good options on the left side. Why wouldn't you give him a run as CF to see if he can make the step up and solve a huge problem and potentially save us £100m+?

It doesn't make any sense to me. We are in a decent position in the league in terms of finishing in the top 4. Now is the perfect time to trial him there and see if he can do it long term. If he can't then we move him back for the remainder of the season and buy a CF in the summer.
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If it ain't broke, don't fix it
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So you are happy with our CF options then?

You are also ignoring the fact that many of his goals in his current good form have come whilst playing CF. In fact, I can only think of 3 that I would consider classic Rashford goals running with teh ball from the left. Something he could still do at time - ala Henry.


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I'd prefer a specialist CF and then use Rashford left.
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Ronaldo wasn't a specialist CF before he was moved there at around the same age Rashford is.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 14/2/23

comment by Rdd II (U22942)
posted 6 minutes ago
Do we not think the manager could coach any of our younger wide forwards to be CFs?
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Who? Sancho? Garnacho? Amad? Pellistri? Antony?

Have any of them ever played there?

posted on 14/2/23

comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Rdd II (U22942)
posted 6 minutes ago
Do we not think the manager could coach any of our younger wide forwards to be CFs?
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Who? Sancho? Garnacho? Amad? Pellistri? Antony?

Have any of them ever played there?
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Maybe someone from the academy?

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 14/2/23

comment by Baz tard (U19119)
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Rdd II (U22942)
posted 6 minutes ago
Do we not think the manager could coach any of our younger wide forwards to be CFs?
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Who? Sancho? Garnacho? Amad? Pellistri? Antony?

Have any of them ever played there?
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Maybe someone from the academy?
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McNeill and Hugill are both on loan aren't they?

posted on 14/2/23

Rashford is better on the wing against the better clubs, where he has space to operate. When the final third is compressed, he can go missing (though has found ways through, of late).

There's no reason we couldn't get a good striker and still continue to progress Rashy over to that position. Plenty of games in a season and if we got the likes of Kane, he'd need to be managed well anyway.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 14/2/23

comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - It's Rashers! (U2958)
posted 12 minutes ago
Rashford is better on the wing against the better clubs, where he has space to operate. When the final third is compressed, he can go missing (though has found ways through, of late).

There's no reason we couldn't get a good striker and still continue to progress Rashy over to that position. Plenty of games in a season and if we got the likes of Kane, he'd need to be managed well anyway.
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Indeed. I am getting the feeling that we might not go for Kane and could instead go for Osimhen.

posted on 14/2/23

comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Rdd II (U22942)
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
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comment by Rdd II (U22942)
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Rdd II (U22942)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Rdd II (U22942)
posted 3 minutes ago
Rashford should stay Left whilst in such form.
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A lot of his goals since his return from the world cup have come from CF positions.
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Exactly. I'd leave well alone.
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Why? He is scoring goals from CF positions. Quite often late in games when he has been moved to CF. He is scoring tap ins, headers, left foot, right foot. And we have good options on the left side. Why wouldn't you give him a run as CF to see if he can make the step up and solve a huge problem and potentially save us £100m+?

It doesn't make any sense to me. We are in a decent position in the league in terms of finishing in the top 4. Now is the perfect time to trial him there and see if he can do it long term. If he can't then we move him back for the remainder of the season and buy a CF in the summer.
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If it ain't broke, don't fix it
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So you are happy with our CF options then?

You are also ignoring the fact that many of his goals in his current good form have come whilst playing CF. In fact, I can only think of 3 that I would consider classic Rashford goals running with teh ball from the left. Something he could still do at time - ala Henry.


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I'd prefer a specialist CF and then use Rashford left.
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Ronaldo wasn't a specialist CF before he was moved there at around the same age Rashford is.
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And.....

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 14/2/23

comment by Rdd II (U22942)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Rdd II (U22942)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Rdd II (U22942)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Rdd II (U22942)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Rdd II (U22942)
posted 3 minutes ago
Rashford should stay Left whilst in such form.
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A lot of his goals since his return from the world cup have come from CF positions.
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Exactly. I'd leave well alone.
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Why? He is scoring goals from CF positions. Quite often late in games when he has been moved to CF. He is scoring tap ins, headers, left foot, right foot. And we have good options on the left side. Why wouldn't you give him a run as CF to see if he can make the step up and solve a huge problem and potentially save us £100m+?

It doesn't make any sense to me. We are in a decent position in the league in terms of finishing in the top 4. Now is the perfect time to trial him there and see if he can do it long term. If he can't then we move him back for the remainder of the season and buy a CF in the summer.
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If it ain't broke, don't fix it
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So you are happy with our CF options then?

You are also ignoring the fact that many of his goals in his current good form have come whilst playing CF. In fact, I can only think of 3 that I would consider classic Rashford goals running with teh ball from the left. Something he could still do at time - ala Henry.


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I'd prefer a specialist CF and then use Rashford left.
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Ronaldo wasn't a specialist CF before he was moved there at around the same age Rashford is.
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And.....
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He became one.

Perhaps what we are seeing happen with Rashford. ETH is possibly priming him to take over the CF position. Letting Benni coach him in that role whilst giving him minutes in the position in certain games/moments of games. We could be very well watching the transformation of Rashford from a wide player to a CF this season.

He is certainly scoring more 'traditional CF' goals at the moment.

posted on 14/2/23

The danger I see in moving Rashford central to a CF position and playing someone else LW is that we could then potentially 'lose' Rashford's goals from that LW position.

I happen to think signing a CF is quite high on the list of summer priorities. If we were to sign Kane, and Rashford could work with him like Son has done in the past, then that's potentially a lot of goals. Goals that Rashford with Sancho/Garnacho out there may not give us.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 14/2/23

comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 3 minutes ago
The danger I see in moving Rashford central to a CF position and playing someone else LW is that we could then potentially 'lose' Rashford's goals from that LW position.

I happen to think signing a CF is quite high on the list of summer priorities. If we were to sign Kane, and Rashford could work with him like Son has done in the past, then that's potentially a lot of goals. Goals that Rashford with Sancho/Garnacho out there may not give us.
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This could be true. Lots for ETH to consider.

What is Osimhen's hold-up play like? I know that he is pretty pacey and scores a good few headers, but haven't really seen much of him other than highlights of goals. Is he good at holding the ball up and linking the play?

posted on 14/2/23

Osimhem would cost a fortunes considering Napoli paid £70m themselves for him.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 14/2/23

comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 2 minutes ago
Osimhem would cost a fortunes considering Napoli paid £70m themselves for him.
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But might be worth it long term considering his/Kane's age?

posted on 14/2/23

comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 3 minutes ago
The danger I see in moving Rashford central to a CF position and playing someone else LW is that we could then potentially 'lose' Rashford's goals from that LW position.

I happen to think signing a CF is quite high on the list of summer priorities. If we were to sign Kane, and Rashford could work with him like Son has done in the past, then that's potentially a lot of goals. Goals that Rashford with Sancho/Garnacho out there may not give us.
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This could be true. Lots for ETH to consider.

What is Osimhen's hold-up play like? I know that he is pretty pacey and scores a good few headers, but haven't really seen much of him other than highlights of goals. Is he good at holding the ball up and linking the play?
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Hopefully next season we'll be playing a lot of games so we'll need a strong squad.

LW - Rashford, Garnacho
CF - Kane, Martial/Weghorst/Cheapish striker*
RW - Antony, Sancho

would all get plenty of games I'd say. Sancho and or Eriksen could also be used in the No10 role as well.

If the Qataris bought United I wouldn't be surprised at all if they tried to sign the England captain. That would be another statement from them getting him on board.

comment by Busby (U19985)

posted on 14/2/23

comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 3 minutes ago
The danger I see in moving Rashford central to a CF position and playing someone else LW is that we could then potentially 'lose' Rashford's goals from that LW position.

I happen to think signing a CF is quite high on the list of summer priorities. If we were to sign Kane, and Rashford could work with him like Son has done in the past, then that's potentially a lot of goals. Goals that Rashford with Sancho/Garnacho out there may not give us.
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This could be true. Lots for ETH to consider.

What is Osimhen's hold-up play like? I know that he is pretty pacey and scores a good few headers, but haven't really seen much of him other than highlights of goals. Is he good at holding the ball up and linking the play?
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Hopefully next season we'll be playing a lot of games so we'll need a strong squad.

LW - Rashford, Garnacho
CF - Kane, Martial/Weghorst/Cheapish striker*
RW - Antony, Sancho

would all get plenty of games I'd say. Sancho and or Eriksen could also be used in the No10 role as well.

If the Qataris bought United I wouldn't be surprised at all if they tried to sign the England captain. That would be another statement from them getting him on board.
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We better not be going into next season with Werghorst, the guy is pretty crap.

I like that we have players capable of playing different roles.

CF: Martial, Rasfhord
RW: Antony, Sancho, Garnacho
LW: Rashford, Garnacho, Sancho

Working on the presumption Sancho won't miss 1/3 of a season, Antony is our first choice RW and Martial cannot be relied upon. I think we realistically need a top striker and maybe an aging one too.

posted on 14/2/23

I've only put Weghorst in there for now. If Martial does leave though then it wouldn't entirely surprise me to see Wout be kept on if the price is reasonable.

comment by Busby (U19985)

posted on 14/2/23

comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 42 seconds ago
I've only put Weghorst in there for now. If Martial does leave though then it wouldn't entirely surprise me to see Wout be kept on if the price is reasonable.
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True. Reasonable would be us taking him off their wage bill for nothing though.

posted on 14/2/23

comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 42 seconds ago
I've only put Weghorst in there for now. If Martial does leave though then it wouldn't entirely surprise me to see Wout be kept on if the price is reasonable.
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True. Reasonable would be us taking him off their wage bill for nothing though.
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If he'd be happy to stay as 2nd/3rd choice striker then I'd be OK with that. We can't rely on Martial though sadly. It's difficult to plan in those circumstances when you don't know when he'll be available. It's a shame but there you go. We can't do anything about it here.

comment by Busby (U19985)

posted on 14/2/23

I think if we signed a first choice striker, with Martial as backup, Rashford as a third backup (we do have Sancho and Garnacho for LW) we'd be okay.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 14/2/23

comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 3 minutes ago
The danger I see in moving Rashford central to a CF position and playing someone else LW is that we could then potentially 'lose' Rashford's goals from that LW position.

I happen to think signing a CF is quite high on the list of summer priorities. If we were to sign Kane, and Rashford could work with him like Son has done in the past, then that's potentially a lot of goals. Goals that Rashford with Sancho/Garnacho out there may not give us.
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This could be true. Lots for ETH to consider.

What is Osimhen's hold-up play like? I know that he is pretty pacey and scores a good few headers, but haven't really seen much of him other than highlights of goals. Is he good at holding the ball up and linking the play?
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Hopefully next season we'll be playing a lot of games so we'll need a strong squad.

LW - Rashford, Garnacho
CF - Kane, Martial/Weghorst/Cheapish striker*
RW - Antony, Sancho

would all get plenty of games I'd say. Sancho and or Eriksen could also be used in the No10 role as well.

If the Qataris bought United I wouldn't be surprised at all if they tried to sign the England captain. That would be another statement from them getting him on board.
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We better not be going into next season with Werghorst, the guy is pretty crap.

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I think that he can be pretty useful. He was poor on Sunday for the first half, but he played quite a pivotal role in the second half of the game.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 14/2/23

comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 3 minutes ago
The danger I see in moving Rashford central to a CF position and playing someone else LW is that we could then potentially 'lose' Rashford's goals from that LW position.

I happen to think signing a CF is quite high on the list of summer priorities. If we were to sign Kane, and Rashford could work with him like Son has done in the past, then that's potentially a lot of goals. Goals that Rashford with Sancho/Garnacho out there may not give us.
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This could be true. Lots for ETH to consider.

What is Osimhen's hold-up play like? I know that he is pretty pacey and scores a good few headers, but haven't really seen much of him other than highlights of goals. Is he good at holding the ball up and linking the play?
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Hopefully next season we'll be playing a lot of games so we'll need a strong squad.

LW - Rashford, Garnacho
CF - Kane, Martial/Weghorst/Cheapish striker*
RW - Antony, Sancho

would all get plenty of games I'd say. Sancho and or Eriksen could also be used in the No10 role as well.

If the Qataris bought United I wouldn't be surprised at all if they tried to sign the England captain. That would be another statement from them getting him on board.
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Possibly also Pellistri and Amad to throw into the equation.

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