comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 minutes ago
Can’t remember who it was but someone here was claiming that Luke Shaw was mentionable in the same breath as Dennis Irwin as Mr Consistent. I couldn’t believe what I was reading but he really isn’t all that consistent by any means.
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Pretty sure it was RDD. I don't think many (if anyone) agreed that he was world class.
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It wasn’t world class it was Mr Consistent, ‘the new Dennis Irwin’ he was called and it wasn’t RDD
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He does this every-time. Same old tired who said it?? What I’ve stated above has been mentioned here.
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 12 minutes ago
Only Culer thinks Shaw is World Class
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RDD too
Shaw has never been world class
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 minutes ago
Can’t remember who it was but someone here was claiming that Luke Shaw was mentionable in the same breath as Dennis Irwin as Mr Consistent. I couldn’t believe what I was reading but he really isn’t all that consistent by any means.
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Pretty sure it was RDD. I don't think many (if anyone) agreed that he was world class.
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It wasn’t world class it was Mr Consistent, ‘the new Dennis Irwin’ he was called and it wasn’t RDD
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So like "World class" it was another isolated opinion on Shaw that doesn't hold any merit
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 1 minute ago
Haven't seen much world class, if any, around Shaw this season. It's been rightly acknowledged he's have a very good season even showing versatility at CB where he's been very good.
Bruno has improved since the departure of Ronaldo as team in general.
Probably been overplayed since the world cup but no excuses for him, Shaw or the rest of the team for that performance yesterday.
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It has been stated a lot Shaw the best LB in this league
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There is an argument that he has been this season. But not over the last few seasons.
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I don’t see it. I judge world class players on big games, when the big games come, especially away, Luke shaw looks like a pub player. The beating saka gave him if that was a boxing match early stoppage
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I didn't say he was world class. I was replying to your statement that some people think he is the best LB in the PL. I think that there is an argument that he has been this season. That doesn't automatically mean he is world class. You have to have more consistency than Shaw has ever shwon to reach that level in my opinion.
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How can you arguably be the best LB in what is known and agreed to be the toughest league in the world but at the same time not world class category?
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1. Because you are in good form whilst better LB's are playing at their usual level.
2. Because the standard of LB's in the PL isn't especially high.
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 minutes ago
Can’t remember who it was but someone here was claiming that Luke Shaw was mentionable in the same breath as Dennis Irwin as Mr Consistent. I couldn’t believe what I was reading but he really isn’t all that consistent by any means.
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Pretty sure it was RDD. I don't think many (if anyone) agreed that he was world class.
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It wasn’t world class it was Mr Consistent, ‘the new Dennis Irwin’ he was called and it wasn’t RDD
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So like "World class" it was another isolated opinion on Shaw that doesn't hold any merit
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I don't remember saying that it was anything more than one person's opinion? Whether or not it holds merit is subjective. For that person (SE85) it certainly does hold merit, he's entitled to his opinion but consistent is certainly not a word I would use with Shaw nor would I mention him in the same discussion with Dennis Irwin who (as mentioned previously) is probably only bested by Ashley Cole as the best ever Premier League LB.
I'm not gonna wipe away months of good work because of one result, but yes, Shaw, Bruno, Dalot, even Martinez and Casemiro were turgid, yesterday. Part of that (a big part) is on the manager and the strange set up.
Let's see how they respond.
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 minutes ago
Can’t remember who it was but someone here was claiming that Luke Shaw was mentionable in the same breath as Dennis Irwin as Mr Consistent. I couldn’t believe what I was reading but he really isn’t all that consistent by any means.
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Pretty sure it was RDD. I don't think many (if anyone) agreed that he was world class.
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It wasn’t world class it was Mr Consistent, ‘the new Dennis Irwin’ he was called and it wasn’t RDD
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He does this every-time. Same old tired who said it?? What I’ve stated above has been mentioned here.
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All I am saying is that you are arguing against RDD (and possibly Culer?). Are either of them even United fans? I'm not convinced, and both are surely wums. I don't think that their opinions are really demonstrative of reasoned United supporters on these forums. Most of the comments on RDD's thread about Shaw align with your own.
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - It's Rashers! (U2958)
posted 51 seconds ago
I'm not gonna wipe away months of good work because of one result, but yes, Shaw, Bruno, Dalot, even Martinez and Casemiro were turgid, yesterday. Part of that (a big part) is on the manager and the strange set up.
Let's see how they respond.
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Indeed - that's where I'm at currently. Cannot wait for the next game as it will show us a lot about where we really are.
It was a freak result, the first half was actually perfectly normal and going well. We lost our heads and a lot of second balls kept falling straight to Liverpool. Everything went their way in the second half and we were dreadful with ball retention. Typically this type of game ends 3-0, 7-0 was just shell-shocking. Response is key, like you say.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 11 minutes ago
Here is the thread:
https://www.ja606.co.uk/comments/viewAllComments/452231/2
RDD said that he was world class. No-one else agreed that I can see. I shouldn't take too much notice of RDD Scholay. I'm not even convinced he is a United fan.
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Process has said it and it has been mentioned multiple times on match day threads
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 minutes ago
Can’t remember who it was but someone here was claiming that Luke Shaw was mentionable in the same breath as Dennis Irwin as Mr Consistent. I couldn’t believe what I was reading but he really isn’t all that consistent by any means.
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Pretty sure it was RDD. I don't think many (if anyone) agreed that he was world class.
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It wasn’t world class it was Mr Consistent, ‘the new Dennis Irwin’ he was called and it wasn’t RDD
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So like "World class" it was another isolated opinion on Shaw that doesn't hold any merit
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I don't remember saying that it was anything more than one person's opinion? Whether or not it holds merit is subjective. For that person (SE85) it certainly does hold merit, he's entitled to his opinion but consistent is certainly not a word I would use with Shaw nor would I mention him in the same discussion with Dennis Irwin who (as mentioned previously) is probably only bested by Ashley Cole as the best ever Premier League LB.
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You didn't say it
I never said you did
The point is World Class and Mr Consistency are not widespread opinions that have been written about Shaw on the forum as the OP would lead you to believe.
World Class is attributed to RDD
Nobody seems to remember who labked him Mr Consistency or as good as Irwin
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 11 minutes ago
Here is the thread:
https://www.ja606.co.uk/comments/viewAllComments/452231/2
RDD said that he was world class. No-one else agreed that I can see. I shouldn't take too much notice of RDD Scholay. I'm not even convinced he is a United fan.
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Process has said it and it has been mentioned multiple times on match day threads
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Has Process said it? On RRD's thread he states that the term world class is thrown about too much. Perhaps he has said it elsewhere though.
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 minutes ago
Can’t remember who it was but someone here was claiming that Luke Shaw was mentionable in the same breath as Dennis Irwin as Mr Consistent. I couldn’t believe what I was reading but he really isn’t all that consistent by any means.
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Pretty sure it was RDD. I don't think many (if anyone) agreed that he was world class.
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It wasn’t world class it was Mr Consistent, ‘the new Dennis Irwin’ he was called and it wasn’t RDD
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So like "World class" it was another isolated opinion on Shaw that doesn't hold any merit
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I don't remember saying that it was anything more than one person's opinion? Whether or not it holds merit is subjective. For that person (SE85) it certainly does hold merit, he's entitled to his opinion but consistent is certainly not a word I would use with Shaw nor would I mention him in the same discussion with Dennis Irwin who (as mentioned previously) is probably only bested by Ashley Cole as the best ever Premier League LB.
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You didn't say it
I never said you did
The point is World Class and Mr Consistency are not widespread opinions that have been written about Shaw on the forum as the OP would lead you to believe.
World Class is attributed to RDD
Nobody seems to remember who labked him Mr Consistency or as good as Irwin
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It’s in the post you just replied to mate. I didn’t make my initial post for any other purpose than the meaning of the words contained in the post. I wasn’t trying to prove or disprove whether x, y or z had been posted by multiple users. Just that someone called him the new Irwin which I found surprising to say the least.
Elvis, we get it you want concrete evidence.
Moving on, what are your thoughts on Bruno's antics? Do you believe a Manchester United captain performance should be impacted by the personality of another player?
Just to add
Fred in that conversation and Mctominay
Our fan base here sometimes go overboard in bigging up our players
Eth has done really well. I only saw the first half and had to get busy with something else
So maybe it was a freak result
But we need quality in, in the next transfer
Too many bang average players all with a few good games and regression to the mean
We need to be ruthless with our cull
Scott mcT, maybe Fred, definitely Van de beek, Sancho maybe as well.
Get in a striker, two midfielders. Eth still wants De Jong. Bruno is ok but he snatches at easy chances and is selfish when laying a pass would have been more sensible. He is not de Bruyne levels.. hopefully that argument is laid to rest
Freak result yesterday
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 33 minutes ago
Elvis, we get it you want concrete evidence.
Moving on, what are your thoughts on Bruno's antics? Do you believe a Manchester United captain performance should be impacted by the personality of another player?
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I was really disappointed with him yesterday. As a general rule, he works very hard for the team off the ball. But he gave up yesterday and it looked to me like he was asking to be subbed. If that is the case, then it is absolutely criminal and he should have the captaincy taken from him.
And no, his performance shouldn't be impacted by another's personality. Not in an ideal world. But we have to deal with reality. And whether we like it or not, Bruno's United form suffered from playing alongside Ronaldo. And the team as a whole played worse with Ronaldo in the team.
At this point, I would probably make Cas captain.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 33 minutes ago
Elvis, we get it you want concrete evidence.
Moving on, what are your thoughts on Bruno's antics? Do you believe a Manchester United captain performance should be impacted by the personality of another player?
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I was really disappointed with him yesterday. As a general rule, he works very hard for the team off the ball. But he gave up yesterday and it looked to me like he was asking to be subbed. If that is the case, then it is absolutely criminal and he should have the captaincy taken from him.
And no, his performance shouldn't be impacted by another's personality. Not in an ideal world. But we have to deal with reality. And whether we like it or not, Bruno's United form suffered from playing alongside Ronaldo. And the team as a whole played worse with Ronaldo in the team.
At this point, I would probably make Cas captain.
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I've read that he wasn't asking to come off and that he was asking for some tactical instruction. That could be BS but, like you say, he usually works very hard for the team so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
I do think that Shaw is an excellent player. I also think that Bruno is an important player for this period of transition, but I totally agree with you that he shouldn’t wear the armband again. His attitude yesterday was a disgrace. A captain should be strong, vocal, but capable of rallying the troupes when things go wrong. Either Varane or Casemiro should be the captain.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 33 minutes ago
Elvis, we get it you want concrete evidence.
Moving on, what are your thoughts on Bruno's antics? Do you believe a Manchester United captain performance should be impacted by the personality of another player?
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I was really disappointed with him yesterday. As a general rule, he works very hard for the team off the ball. But he gave up yesterday and it looked to me like he was asking to be subbed. If that is the case, then it is absolutely criminal and he should have the captaincy taken from him.
And no, his performance shouldn't be impacted by another's personality. Not in an ideal world. But we have to deal with reality. And whether we like it or not, Bruno's United form suffered from playing alongside Ronaldo. And the team as a whole played worse with Ronaldo in the team.
At this point, I would probably make Cas captain.
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Fair answer.
I don't want to dance the Ronaldo dance but very hard to play in any team with Maguire and Lindlelof as your number one defenders. This season has shown us this.
comment by Cesario (U22905)
posted 1 minute ago
I do think that Shaw is an excellent player. I also think that Bruno is an important player for this period of transition, but I totally agree with you that he shouldn’t wear the armband again. His attitude yesterday was a disgrace. A captain should be strong, vocal, but capable of rallying the troupes when things go wrong. Either Varane or Casemiro should be the captain.
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If yesterday's game was a real life battle, then the players would be dead. Roy Keane wouldn't be able to rally that lot.
They were dead and buried mate.
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 33 minutes ago
Elvis, we get it you want concrete evidence.
Moving on, what are your thoughts on Bruno's antics? Do you believe a Manchester United captain performance should be impacted by the personality of another player?
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I was really disappointed with him yesterday. As a general rule, he works very hard for the team off the ball. But he gave up yesterday and it looked to me like he was asking to be subbed. If that is the case, then it is absolutely criminal and he should have the captaincy taken from him.
And no, his performance shouldn't be impacted by another's personality. Not in an ideal world. But we have to deal with reality. And whether we like it or not, Bruno's United form suffered from playing alongside Ronaldo. And the team as a whole played worse with Ronaldo in the team.
At this point, I would probably make Cas captain.
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Fair answer.
I don't want to dance the Ronaldo dance but very hard to play in any team with Maguire and Lindlelof as your number one defenders. This season has shown us this.
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And McFred don’t forget
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cesario (U22905)
posted 1 minute ago
I do think that Shaw is an excellent player. I also think that Bruno is an important player for this period of transition, but I totally agree with you that he shouldn’t wear the armband again. His attitude yesterday was a disgrace. A captain should be strong, vocal, but capable of rallying the troupes when things go wrong. Either Varane or Casemiro should be the captain.
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If yesterday's game was a real life battle, then the players would be dead. Roy Keane wouldn't be able to rally that lot.
They were dead and buried mate.
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It was nothing short of comedy seeing him pushing the ref. Although a lot is being made out of this, it is looking like pressure from media may get the FA involved.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 11 minutes ago
Here is the thread:
https://www.ja606.co.uk/comments/viewAllComments/452231/2
RDD said that he was world class. No-one else agreed that I can see. I shouldn't take too much notice of RDD Scholay. I'm not even convinced he is a United fan.
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Process has said it and it has been mentioned multiple times on match day threads
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Has Process said it? On RRD's thread he states that the term world class is thrown about too much. Perhaps he has said it elsewhere though.
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I'd love to see evidence of me calling Shaw word class multiple times. If so. I'll hold my hands up.
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 1 hour, 44 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
While I agree with your comments about Shaw and Bruno. The last line ruins it.
It said 'I was right' and you were wrong '.
Are you ever wrong Scholey?
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I was wrrong about LVG. I was wrong about Martial. I was partially wrong about Ronaldo. Are you happy?
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Partially?
Whilst I agree with some bits in the article, it is defeated with the jibes.
No one thinks Shaw is world class, or is Bruno.
I have noticed you not contributing to this board since your Messiah got kicked out.
Funny how you turn up now
I think Shaw is a highly gifted footballer who has done well recently but also suffers from being very weak mentally. Whether that’s from being bullied by someone like Jose or struggling in a game like yesterday or even having a career threatening injury he lacks the tools to be strong and get through it.
I think EtH has said himself that bringing in characters last summer was essential which I’m assuming is because he felt the squad was quite mentally weak. Over the season as EtH has got his ideas across and the players on his side we’ve seen a real improvement but yesterday showed that there is still a weakness when it comes to our mentality and dealing with difficult situations.
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posted on 6/3/23
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 minutes ago
Can’t remember who it was but someone here was claiming that Luke Shaw was mentionable in the same breath as Dennis Irwin as Mr Consistent. I couldn’t believe what I was reading but he really isn’t all that consistent by any means.
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Pretty sure it was RDD. I don't think many (if anyone) agreed that he was world class.
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It wasn’t world class it was Mr Consistent, ‘the new Dennis Irwin’ he was called and it wasn’t RDD
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He does this every-time. Same old tired who said it?? What I’ve stated above has been mentioned here.
posted on 6/3/23
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 12 minutes ago
Only Culer thinks Shaw is World Class
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RDD too
Shaw has never been world class
posted on 6/3/23
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 minutes ago
Can’t remember who it was but someone here was claiming that Luke Shaw was mentionable in the same breath as Dennis Irwin as Mr Consistent. I couldn’t believe what I was reading but he really isn’t all that consistent by any means.
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Pretty sure it was RDD. I don't think many (if anyone) agreed that he was world class.
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It wasn’t world class it was Mr Consistent, ‘the new Dennis Irwin’ he was called and it wasn’t RDD
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So like "World class" it was another isolated opinion on Shaw that doesn't hold any merit
posted on 6/3/23
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 1 minute ago
Haven't seen much world class, if any, around Shaw this season. It's been rightly acknowledged he's have a very good season even showing versatility at CB where he's been very good.
Bruno has improved since the departure of Ronaldo as team in general.
Probably been overplayed since the world cup but no excuses for him, Shaw or the rest of the team for that performance yesterday.
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It has been stated a lot Shaw the best LB in this league
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There is an argument that he has been this season. But not over the last few seasons.
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I don’t see it. I judge world class players on big games, when the big games come, especially away, Luke shaw looks like a pub player. The beating saka gave him if that was a boxing match early stoppage
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I didn't say he was world class. I was replying to your statement that some people think he is the best LB in the PL. I think that there is an argument that he has been this season. That doesn't automatically mean he is world class. You have to have more consistency than Shaw has ever shwon to reach that level in my opinion.
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How can you arguably be the best LB in what is known and agreed to be the toughest league in the world but at the same time not world class category?
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1. Because you are in good form whilst better LB's are playing at their usual level.
2. Because the standard of LB's in the PL isn't especially high.
posted on 6/3/23
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 minutes ago
Can’t remember who it was but someone here was claiming that Luke Shaw was mentionable in the same breath as Dennis Irwin as Mr Consistent. I couldn’t believe what I was reading but he really isn’t all that consistent by any means.
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Pretty sure it was RDD. I don't think many (if anyone) agreed that he was world class.
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It wasn’t world class it was Mr Consistent, ‘the new Dennis Irwin’ he was called and it wasn’t RDD
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So like "World class" it was another isolated opinion on Shaw that doesn't hold any merit
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I don't remember saying that it was anything more than one person's opinion? Whether or not it holds merit is subjective. For that person (SE85) it certainly does hold merit, he's entitled to his opinion but consistent is certainly not a word I would use with Shaw nor would I mention him in the same discussion with Dennis Irwin who (as mentioned previously) is probably only bested by Ashley Cole as the best ever Premier League LB.
posted on 6/3/23
I'm not gonna wipe away months of good work because of one result, but yes, Shaw, Bruno, Dalot, even Martinez and Casemiro were turgid, yesterday. Part of that (a big part) is on the manager and the strange set up.
Let's see how they respond.
posted on 6/3/23
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 minutes ago
Can’t remember who it was but someone here was claiming that Luke Shaw was mentionable in the same breath as Dennis Irwin as Mr Consistent. I couldn’t believe what I was reading but he really isn’t all that consistent by any means.
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Pretty sure it was RDD. I don't think many (if anyone) agreed that he was world class.
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It wasn’t world class it was Mr Consistent, ‘the new Dennis Irwin’ he was called and it wasn’t RDD
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He does this every-time. Same old tired who said it?? What I’ve stated above has been mentioned here.
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All I am saying is that you are arguing against RDD (and possibly Culer?). Are either of them even United fans? I'm not convinced, and both are surely wums. I don't think that their opinions are really demonstrative of reasoned United supporters on these forums. Most of the comments on RDD's thread about Shaw align with your own.
posted on 6/3/23
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - It's Rashers! (U2958)
posted 51 seconds ago
I'm not gonna wipe away months of good work because of one result, but yes, Shaw, Bruno, Dalot, even Martinez and Casemiro were turgid, yesterday. Part of that (a big part) is on the manager and the strange set up.
Let's see how they respond.
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Indeed - that's where I'm at currently. Cannot wait for the next game as it will show us a lot about where we really are.
It was a freak result, the first half was actually perfectly normal and going well. We lost our heads and a lot of second balls kept falling straight to Liverpool. Everything went their way in the second half and we were dreadful with ball retention. Typically this type of game ends 3-0, 7-0 was just shell-shocking. Response is key, like you say.
posted on 6/3/23
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 11 minutes ago
Here is the thread:
https://www.ja606.co.uk/comments/viewAllComments/452231/2
RDD said that he was world class. No-one else agreed that I can see. I shouldn't take too much notice of RDD Scholay. I'm not even convinced he is a United fan.
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Process has said it and it has been mentioned multiple times on match day threads
posted on 6/3/23
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 minutes ago
Can’t remember who it was but someone here was claiming that Luke Shaw was mentionable in the same breath as Dennis Irwin as Mr Consistent. I couldn’t believe what I was reading but he really isn’t all that consistent by any means.
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Pretty sure it was RDD. I don't think many (if anyone) agreed that he was world class.
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It wasn’t world class it was Mr Consistent, ‘the new Dennis Irwin’ he was called and it wasn’t RDD
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So like "World class" it was another isolated opinion on Shaw that doesn't hold any merit
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I don't remember saying that it was anything more than one person's opinion? Whether or not it holds merit is subjective. For that person (SE85) it certainly does hold merit, he's entitled to his opinion but consistent is certainly not a word I would use with Shaw nor would I mention him in the same discussion with Dennis Irwin who (as mentioned previously) is probably only bested by Ashley Cole as the best ever Premier League LB.
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You didn't say it
I never said you did
The point is World Class and Mr Consistency are not widespread opinions that have been written about Shaw on the forum as the OP would lead you to believe.
World Class is attributed to RDD
Nobody seems to remember who labked him Mr Consistency or as good as Irwin
posted on 6/3/23
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 11 minutes ago
Here is the thread:
https://www.ja606.co.uk/comments/viewAllComments/452231/2
RDD said that he was world class. No-one else agreed that I can see. I shouldn't take too much notice of RDD Scholay. I'm not even convinced he is a United fan.
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Process has said it and it has been mentioned multiple times on match day threads
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Has Process said it? On RRD's thread he states that the term world class is thrown about too much. Perhaps he has said it elsewhere though.
posted on 6/3/23
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 minutes ago
Can’t remember who it was but someone here was claiming that Luke Shaw was mentionable in the same breath as Dennis Irwin as Mr Consistent. I couldn’t believe what I was reading but he really isn’t all that consistent by any means.
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Pretty sure it was RDD. I don't think many (if anyone) agreed that he was world class.
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It wasn’t world class it was Mr Consistent, ‘the new Dennis Irwin’ he was called and it wasn’t RDD
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So like "World class" it was another isolated opinion on Shaw that doesn't hold any merit
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I don't remember saying that it was anything more than one person's opinion? Whether or not it holds merit is subjective. For that person (SE85) it certainly does hold merit, he's entitled to his opinion but consistent is certainly not a word I would use with Shaw nor would I mention him in the same discussion with Dennis Irwin who (as mentioned previously) is probably only bested by Ashley Cole as the best ever Premier League LB.
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You didn't say it
I never said you did
The point is World Class and Mr Consistency are not widespread opinions that have been written about Shaw on the forum as the OP would lead you to believe.
World Class is attributed to RDD
Nobody seems to remember who labked him Mr Consistency or as good as Irwin
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It’s in the post you just replied to mate. I didn’t make my initial post for any other purpose than the meaning of the words contained in the post. I wasn’t trying to prove or disprove whether x, y or z had been posted by multiple users. Just that someone called him the new Irwin which I found surprising to say the least.
posted on 6/3/23
Elvis, we get it you want concrete evidence.
Moving on, what are your thoughts on Bruno's antics? Do you believe a Manchester United captain performance should be impacted by the personality of another player?
posted on 6/3/23
Just to add
Fred in that conversation and Mctominay
Our fan base here sometimes go overboard in bigging up our players
Eth has done really well. I only saw the first half and had to get busy with something else
So maybe it was a freak result
But we need quality in, in the next transfer
Too many bang average players all with a few good games and regression to the mean
We need to be ruthless with our cull
Scott mcT, maybe Fred, definitely Van de beek, Sancho maybe as well.
Get in a striker, two midfielders. Eth still wants De Jong. Bruno is ok but he snatches at easy chances and is selfish when laying a pass would have been more sensible. He is not de Bruyne levels.. hopefully that argument is laid to rest
Freak result yesterday
posted on 6/3/23
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 33 minutes ago
Elvis, we get it you want concrete evidence.
Moving on, what are your thoughts on Bruno's antics? Do you believe a Manchester United captain performance should be impacted by the personality of another player?
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I was really disappointed with him yesterday. As a general rule, he works very hard for the team off the ball. But he gave up yesterday and it looked to me like he was asking to be subbed. If that is the case, then it is absolutely criminal and he should have the captaincy taken from him.
And no, his performance shouldn't be impacted by another's personality. Not in an ideal world. But we have to deal with reality. And whether we like it or not, Bruno's United form suffered from playing alongside Ronaldo. And the team as a whole played worse with Ronaldo in the team.
At this point, I would probably make Cas captain.
posted on 6/3/23
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 33 minutes ago
Elvis, we get it you want concrete evidence.
Moving on, what are your thoughts on Bruno's antics? Do you believe a Manchester United captain performance should be impacted by the personality of another player?
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I was really disappointed with him yesterday. As a general rule, he works very hard for the team off the ball. But he gave up yesterday and it looked to me like he was asking to be subbed. If that is the case, then it is absolutely criminal and he should have the captaincy taken from him.
And no, his performance shouldn't be impacted by another's personality. Not in an ideal world. But we have to deal with reality. And whether we like it or not, Bruno's United form suffered from playing alongside Ronaldo. And the team as a whole played worse with Ronaldo in the team.
At this point, I would probably make Cas captain.
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I've read that he wasn't asking to come off and that he was asking for some tactical instruction. That could be BS but, like you say, he usually works very hard for the team so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
posted on 6/3/23
I do think that Shaw is an excellent player. I also think that Bruno is an important player for this period of transition, but I totally agree with you that he shouldn’t wear the armband again. His attitude yesterday was a disgrace. A captain should be strong, vocal, but capable of rallying the troupes when things go wrong. Either Varane or Casemiro should be the captain.
posted on 6/3/23
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 33 minutes ago
Elvis, we get it you want concrete evidence.
Moving on, what are your thoughts on Bruno's antics? Do you believe a Manchester United captain performance should be impacted by the personality of another player?
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I was really disappointed with him yesterday. As a general rule, he works very hard for the team off the ball. But he gave up yesterday and it looked to me like he was asking to be subbed. If that is the case, then it is absolutely criminal and he should have the captaincy taken from him.
And no, his performance shouldn't be impacted by another's personality. Not in an ideal world. But we have to deal with reality. And whether we like it or not, Bruno's United form suffered from playing alongside Ronaldo. And the team as a whole played worse with Ronaldo in the team.
At this point, I would probably make Cas captain.
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Fair answer.
I don't want to dance the Ronaldo dance but very hard to play in any team with Maguire and Lindlelof as your number one defenders. This season has shown us this.
posted on 6/3/23
comment by Cesario (U22905)
posted 1 minute ago
I do think that Shaw is an excellent player. I also think that Bruno is an important player for this period of transition, but I totally agree with you that he shouldn’t wear the armband again. His attitude yesterday was a disgrace. A captain should be strong, vocal, but capable of rallying the troupes when things go wrong. Either Varane or Casemiro should be the captain.
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If yesterday's game was a real life battle, then the players would be dead. Roy Keane wouldn't be able to rally that lot.
They were dead and buried mate.
posted on 6/3/23
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 33 minutes ago
Elvis, we get it you want concrete evidence.
Moving on, what are your thoughts on Bruno's antics? Do you believe a Manchester United captain performance should be impacted by the personality of another player?
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I was really disappointed with him yesterday. As a general rule, he works very hard for the team off the ball. But he gave up yesterday and it looked to me like he was asking to be subbed. If that is the case, then it is absolutely criminal and he should have the captaincy taken from him.
And no, his performance shouldn't be impacted by another's personality. Not in an ideal world. But we have to deal with reality. And whether we like it or not, Bruno's United form suffered from playing alongside Ronaldo. And the team as a whole played worse with Ronaldo in the team.
At this point, I would probably make Cas captain.
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Fair answer.
I don't want to dance the Ronaldo dance but very hard to play in any team with Maguire and Lindlelof as your number one defenders. This season has shown us this.
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And McFred don’t forget
posted on 6/3/23
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cesario (U22905)
posted 1 minute ago
I do think that Shaw is an excellent player. I also think that Bruno is an important player for this period of transition, but I totally agree with you that he shouldn’t wear the armband again. His attitude yesterday was a disgrace. A captain should be strong, vocal, but capable of rallying the troupes when things go wrong. Either Varane or Casemiro should be the captain.
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If yesterday's game was a real life battle, then the players would be dead. Roy Keane wouldn't be able to rally that lot.
They were dead and buried mate.
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It was nothing short of comedy seeing him pushing the ref. Although a lot is being made out of this, it is looking like pressure from media may get the FA involved.
posted on 6/3/23
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 11 minutes ago
Here is the thread:
https://www.ja606.co.uk/comments/viewAllComments/452231/2
RDD said that he was world class. No-one else agreed that I can see. I shouldn't take too much notice of RDD Scholay. I'm not even convinced he is a United fan.
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Process has said it and it has been mentioned multiple times on match day threads
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Has Process said it? On RRD's thread he states that the term world class is thrown about too much. Perhaps he has said it elsewhere though.
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I'd love to see evidence of me calling Shaw word class multiple times. If so. I'll hold my hands up.
posted on 6/3/23
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 1 hour, 44 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
While I agree with your comments about Shaw and Bruno. The last line ruins it.
It said 'I was right' and you were wrong '.
Are you ever wrong Scholey?
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I was wrrong about LVG. I was wrong about Martial. I was partially wrong about Ronaldo. Are you happy?
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Partially?
posted on 6/3/23
Whilst I agree with some bits in the article, it is defeated with the jibes.
No one thinks Shaw is world class, or is Bruno.
I have noticed you not contributing to this board since your Messiah got kicked out.
Funny how you turn up now
posted on 6/3/23
I think Shaw is a highly gifted footballer who has done well recently but also suffers from being very weak mentally. Whether that’s from being bullied by someone like Jose or struggling in a game like yesterday or even having a career threatening injury he lacks the tools to be strong and get through it.
I think EtH has said himself that bringing in characters last summer was essential which I’m assuming is because he felt the squad was quite mentally weak. Over the season as EtH has got his ideas across and the players on his side we’ve seen a real improvement but yesterday showed that there is still a weakness when it comes to our mentality and dealing with difficult situations.
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