Iron has been around since the er, Irkn Age
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 45 seconds ago
Iron has been around since the er, Irkn Age
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I think it might have been about just a wee bit longer than that tbf ......
maybe from fay 1 of earth existing im thinking .....
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 45 seconds ago
Iron has been around since the er, Irkn Age
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I think it might have been about just a wee bit longer than that tbf ......
maybe from fay 1 of earth existing im thinking .....
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Earlier than that, apparently
"By scientific standards, the origin of iron is one of the most violent processes imaginable. A type of star known as a red giant begins to turn all of its helium into carbon and oxygen atoms. Those atoms then begin to turn into iron atoms, the heaviest type of atom a star can produce. When most of a star's atoms become iron atoms, it becomes what is known as a supernova. It explodes, showering space with iron, oxygen and carbon atoms far and wide"
comment by The Post Nearly Man (U1270)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 45 seconds ago
Iron has been around since the er, Irkn Age
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I think it might have been about just a wee bit longer than that tbf ......
maybe from fay 1 of earth existing im thinking .....
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Earlier than that, apparently
"By scientific standards, the origin of iron is one of the most violent processes imaginable. A type of star known as a red giant begins to turn all of its helium into carbon and oxygen atoms. Those atoms then begin to turn into iron atoms, the heaviest type of atom a star can produce. When most of a star's atoms become iron atoms, it becomes what is known as a supernova. It explodes, showering space with iron, oxygen and carbon atoms far and wide"
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I didnt even think to scope out that far tbh.... was just thinking in terms of Earths existence.
But yeah most likely also existed before earth
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 52 minutes ago
What exactly are you referring to by "the birth of steel"?
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You’ll be telling me bronze was around from before the Bronze Age next.
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 5 minutes ago
You’ll be telling me bronze was around from before the Bronze Age next.
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idiot ... everyone knows the olympics invented bronze
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 52 minutes ago
What exactly are you referring to by "the birth of steel"?
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Bessemer converter
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Is that what you're referring to as the birth of steel?
Just shows how miseducated people are and why this topic is so controversial. Everything begins when "we" discovered it and trying to tell people who grew up believing that sheet that it's all supremacy hogwash and nonsense isn't easy because you get bad reactions.
Even Columbus apparently discovered America and they used to teach that sheet without blinking
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 52 minutes ago
What exactly are you referring to by "the birth of steel"?
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Bessemer converter
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Is that what you're referring to as the birth of steel?
Just shows how miseducated people are and why this topic is so controversial. Everything begins when "we" discovered it and trying to tell people who grew up believing that sheet that it's all supremacy hogwash and nonsense isn't easy because you get bad reactions.
Even Columbus apparently discovered America and they used to teach that sheet without blinking
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I absolutely love this story
https://zambianobserver.com/nigerian-explorer-discovers-lake-in-leicester-uk-and-challenges-colonial-narratives/?amp=1
That's a very good one. Think I'll save the link.
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 52 minutes ago
What exactly are you referring to by "the birth of steel"?
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Bessemer converter
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Is that what you're referring to as the birth of steel?
Just shows how miseducated people are and why this topic is so controversial. Everything begins when "we" discovered it and trying to tell people who grew up believing that sheet that it's all supremacy hogwash and nonsense isn't easy because you get bad reactions.
Even Columbus apparently discovered America and they used to teach that sheet without blinking
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depends on what your talking about ... with steel it was entirely when we discovered/invented it. given that its a man made material.
And Colombus did discover America. you dont understand the difference between discover and invented/created.
America was a name given to a country that Columbus found, it was never claimed he was the first to claim the land.
Colonialism and slavery obviously created the conditions for industrialisation. That’s not really controversial. Britain wouldn’t have had the resources to do so without it.
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 52 minutes ago
What exactly are you referring to by "the birth of steel"?
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Bessemer converter
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Is that what you're referring to as the birth of steel?
Just shows how miseducated people are and why this topic is so controversial. Everything begins when "we" discovered it and trying to tell people who grew up believing that sheet that it's all supremacy hogwash and nonsense isn't easy because you get bad reactions.
Even Columbus apparently discovered America and they used to teach that sheet without blinking
----------------------------------------------------------------------
depends on what your talking about ... with steel it was entirely when we discovered/invented it. given that its a man made material.
And Colombus did discover America. you dont understand the difference between discover and invented/created.
America was a name given to a country that Columbus found, it was never claimed he was the first to claim the land.
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Are you serious right now?
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 41 seconds ago
Colonialism and slavery obviously created the conditions for industrialisation. That’s not really controversial. Britain wouldn’t have had the resources to do so without it.
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Yeah, and you can tell because Britain never had an industrial revolution before slavery and colonialism.
If they so smart why didn't they do it when they were a homogenous community?
America aint name after Columbus or wud b call Colombia
Aneriva is name adter Amerigo Vespucci
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 52 minutes ago
What exactly are you referring to by "the birth of steel"?
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Bessemer converter
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Is that what you're referring to as the birth of steel?
Just shows how miseducated people are and why this topic is so controversial. Everything begins when "we" discovered it and trying to tell people who grew up believing that sheet that it's all supremacy hogwash and nonsense isn't easy because you get bad reactions.
Even Columbus apparently discovered America and they used to teach that sheet without blinking
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I know carbon has been added to iron for years. But it took the Bessemer converter to do it on an industrial scale.
Sheffield became famous for, let's choose cutlery, how did slavery or colonisation help that happen?
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 52 minutes ago
What exactly are you referring to by "the birth of steel"?
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Bessemer converter
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Is that what you're referring to as the birth of steel?
Just shows how miseducated people are and why this topic is so controversial. Everything begins when "we" discovered it and trying to tell people who grew up believing that sheet that it's all supremacy hogwash and nonsense isn't easy because you get bad reactions.
Even Columbus apparently discovered America and they used to teach that sheet without blinking
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I know carbon has been added to iron for years. But it took the Bessemer converter to do it on an industrial scale.
Sheffield became famous for, let's choose cutlery, how did slavery or colonisation help that happen?
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Or is everything taught at school about it wrong, and really we did nothing ourselves
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 52 minutes ago
What exactly are you referring to by "the birth of steel"?
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Bessemer converter
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Is that what you're referring to as the birth of steel?
Just shows how miseducated people are and why this topic is so controversial. Everything begins when "we" discovered it and trying to tell people who grew up believing that sheet that it's all supremacy hogwash and nonsense isn't easy because you get bad reactions.
Even Columbus apparently discovered America and they used to teach that sheet without blinking
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depends on what your talking about ... with steel it was entirely when we discovered/invented it. given that its a man made material.
And Colombus did discover America. you dont understand the difference between discover and invented/created.
America was a name given to a country that Columbus found, it was never claimed he was the first to claim the land.
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Are you serious right now?
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the land existed before, it wasnt america then , it was after Columbus discovered it. SO he might not have been the original founder of the land but he was the discovered America the natives discovered turtle island. Its cool you wont understand.
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 41 seconds ago
Colonialism and slavery obviously created the conditions for industrialisation. That’s not really controversial. Britain wouldn’t have had the resources to do so without it.
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Yeah, and you can tell because Britain never had an industrial revolution before slavery and colonialism.
If they so smart why didn't they do it when they were a homogenous community?
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Yeah it’s not something you can disregard. What was unique to Britain, that allowed for the Industrial Revolution to happen where it did, is a different debate. And ultimately hinges upon the ideas in the country at the time.
whodunnit, I suspect he’s talking about the revelation that the Norse travellers were the first Europeans to discover America.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 52 minutes ago
What exactly are you referring to by "the birth of steel"?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bessemer converter
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Is that what you're referring to as the birth of steel?
Just shows how miseducated people are and why this topic is so controversial. Everything begins when "we" discovered it and trying to tell people who grew up believing that sheet that it's all supremacy hogwash and nonsense isn't easy because you get bad reactions.
Even Columbus apparently discovered America and they used to teach that sheet without blinking
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I know carbon has been added to iron for years. But it took the Bessemer converter to do it on an industrial scale.
Sheffield became famous for, let's choose cutlery, how did slavery or colonisation help that happen?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't know where to start. Where did the raw material come from? Where did the knowledge come from? Why did they need it done on an industrial scale and where did the market for all the extra cutlery come from?
Decarburizing with air processes had been used outside Europe for hundreds of years, but not on an industrial scale. One such process (similar to puddling) was known in the 11th century in East Asia, where the scholar Shen Kuo of that era described its use in the Chinese iron and steel industry. In the 17th century, accounts by European travelers detailed its possible use by the Japanese.
The modern process is named after its inventor, the Englishman Henry Bessemer, who took out a patent on the process in 1856. The process was said to be independently discovered in 1851 by the American inventor William Kelly though the claim is controversial.
"Independently discovered"
As I said, it's all twisting the story in some supremacy hogwash.
The guy who invented the cotton scraper, another who invented the propeller that replaced boat pedals etc etc, had to have them registered and patents taken out in their white slave masters name, because black people couldn't invent stuff for over 300 years.
Daylight robbery.
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 52 minutes ago
What exactly are you referring to by "the birth of steel"?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bessemer converter
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Is that what you're referring to as the birth of steel?
Just shows how miseducated people are and why this topic is so controversial. Everything begins when "we" discovered it and trying to tell people who grew up believing that sheet that it's all supremacy hogwash and nonsense isn't easy because you get bad reactions.
Even Columbus apparently discovered America and they used to teach that sheet without blinking
----------------------------------------------------------------------
depends on what your talking about ... with steel it was entirely when we discovered/invented it. given that its a man made material.
And Colombus did discover America. you dont understand the difference between discover and invented/created.
America was a name given to a country that Columbus found, it was never claimed he was the first to claim the land.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Are you serious right now?
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the land existed before, it wasnt america then , it was after Columbus discovered it.
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It wasn't America until they'd slaughtered all the natives.
Leeds United's shield has to go. Shields are instruments of warfare and war has killed and ruined millions of lives. Plus the shield is a symbol of defence, and we can't defend at all. Instead of a shield, it should be a flower or something positive and hopeful.
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
whodunnit, I suspect he’s talking about the revelation that the Norse travellers were the first Europeans to discover America.
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the discovered the land that became America.
And he cant use his logic of Norse travellers cos that re-inforces my point.
Columbus discovered America, he didnt discover the land that was already discovered countless times.
the natives discovered the land and named it turtle island, the nords discovered whatever it was they called the land when they found it.
If were talking about the land itself it was the natives that found it, and as far as Im aware they were siberians trapped there as a result of the water levels rising and/or the plates moving. Dont quote me on it but its roughly that.
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 52 minutes ago
What exactly are you referring to by "the birth of steel"?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bessemer converter
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Is that what you're referring to as the birth of steel?
Just shows how miseducated people are and why this topic is so controversial. Everything begins when "we" discovered it and trying to tell people who grew up believing that sheet that it's all supremacy hogwash and nonsense isn't easy because you get bad reactions.
Even Columbus apparently discovered America and they used to teach that sheet without blinking
----------------------------------------------------------------------
depends on what your talking about ... with steel it was entirely when we discovered/invented it. given that its a man made material.
And Colombus did discover America. you dont understand the difference between discover and invented/created.
America was a name given to a country that Columbus found, it was never claimed he was the first to claim the land.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Are you serious right now?
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the land existed before, it wasnt america then , it was after Columbus discovered it.
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It wasn't America until they'd slaughtered all the natives.
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At no point have I said the natives were not on the l;and before Colmbus... it wasnt America then however it was Turtle Island.
I knew you wouldnt understand, it was fairly obvious.
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posted on 20/4/23
Iron has been around since the er, Irkn Age
posted on 20/4/23
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 45 seconds ago
Iron has been around since the er, Irkn Age
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I think it might have been about just a wee bit longer than that tbf ......
maybe from fay 1 of earth existing im thinking .....
posted on 20/4/23
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 45 seconds ago
Iron has been around since the er, Irkn Age
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I think it might have been about just a wee bit longer than that tbf ......
maybe from fay 1 of earth existing im thinking .....
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Earlier than that, apparently
"By scientific standards, the origin of iron is one of the most violent processes imaginable. A type of star known as a red giant begins to turn all of its helium into carbon and oxygen atoms. Those atoms then begin to turn into iron atoms, the heaviest type of atom a star can produce. When most of a star's atoms become iron atoms, it becomes what is known as a supernova. It explodes, showering space with iron, oxygen and carbon atoms far and wide"
posted on 20/4/23
comment by The Post Nearly Man (U1270)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 45 seconds ago
Iron has been around since the er, Irkn Age
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I think it might have been about just a wee bit longer than that tbf ......
maybe from fay 1 of earth existing im thinking .....
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Earlier than that, apparently
"By scientific standards, the origin of iron is one of the most violent processes imaginable. A type of star known as a red giant begins to turn all of its helium into carbon and oxygen atoms. Those atoms then begin to turn into iron atoms, the heaviest type of atom a star can produce. When most of a star's atoms become iron atoms, it becomes what is known as a supernova. It explodes, showering space with iron, oxygen and carbon atoms far and wide"
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I didnt even think to scope out that far tbh.... was just thinking in terms of Earths existence.
But yeah most likely also existed before earth
posted on 20/4/23
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 52 minutes ago
What exactly are you referring to by "the birth of steel"?
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Bessemer converter
posted on 20/4/23
You’ll be telling me bronze was around from before the Bronze Age next.
posted on 20/4/23
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 5 minutes ago
You’ll be telling me bronze was around from before the Bronze Age next.
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idiot ... everyone knows the olympics invented bronze
posted on 20/4/23
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 52 minutes ago
What exactly are you referring to by "the birth of steel"?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bessemer converter
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Is that what you're referring to as the birth of steel?
Just shows how miseducated people are and why this topic is so controversial. Everything begins when "we" discovered it and trying to tell people who grew up believing that sheet that it's all supremacy hogwash and nonsense isn't easy because you get bad reactions.
Even Columbus apparently discovered America and they used to teach that sheet without blinking
posted on 20/4/23
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 52 minutes ago
What exactly are you referring to by "the birth of steel"?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bessemer converter
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Is that what you're referring to as the birth of steel?
Just shows how miseducated people are and why this topic is so controversial. Everything begins when "we" discovered it and trying to tell people who grew up believing that sheet that it's all supremacy hogwash and nonsense isn't easy because you get bad reactions.
Even Columbus apparently discovered America and they used to teach that sheet without blinking
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I absolutely love this story
https://zambianobserver.com/nigerian-explorer-discovers-lake-in-leicester-uk-and-challenges-colonial-narratives/?amp=1
posted on 20/4/23
That's a very good one. Think I'll save the link.
posted on 20/4/23
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 52 minutes ago
What exactly are you referring to by "the birth of steel"?
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Bessemer converter
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Is that what you're referring to as the birth of steel?
Just shows how miseducated people are and why this topic is so controversial. Everything begins when "we" discovered it and trying to tell people who grew up believing that sheet that it's all supremacy hogwash and nonsense isn't easy because you get bad reactions.
Even Columbus apparently discovered America and they used to teach that sheet without blinking
----------------------------------------------------------------------
depends on what your talking about ... with steel it was entirely when we discovered/invented it. given that its a man made material.
And Colombus did discover America. you dont understand the difference between discover and invented/created.
America was a name given to a country that Columbus found, it was never claimed he was the first to claim the land.
posted on 20/4/23
Colonialism and slavery obviously created the conditions for industrialisation. That’s not really controversial. Britain wouldn’t have had the resources to do so without it.
posted on 20/4/23
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 52 minutes ago
What exactly are you referring to by "the birth of steel"?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bessemer converter
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Is that what you're referring to as the birth of steel?
Just shows how miseducated people are and why this topic is so controversial. Everything begins when "we" discovered it and trying to tell people who grew up believing that sheet that it's all supremacy hogwash and nonsense isn't easy because you get bad reactions.
Even Columbus apparently discovered America and they used to teach that sheet without blinking
----------------------------------------------------------------------
depends on what your talking about ... with steel it was entirely when we discovered/invented it. given that its a man made material.
And Colombus did discover America. you dont understand the difference between discover and invented/created.
America was a name given to a country that Columbus found, it was never claimed he was the first to claim the land.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Are you serious right now?
posted on 20/4/23
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 41 seconds ago
Colonialism and slavery obviously created the conditions for industrialisation. That’s not really controversial. Britain wouldn’t have had the resources to do so without it.
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Yeah, and you can tell because Britain never had an industrial revolution before slavery and colonialism.
If they so smart why didn't they do it when they were a homogenous community?
posted on 20/4/23
America aint name after Columbus or wud b call Colombia
Aneriva is name adter Amerigo Vespucci
posted on 20/4/23
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 52 minutes ago
What exactly are you referring to by "the birth of steel"?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bessemer converter
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Is that what you're referring to as the birth of steel?
Just shows how miseducated people are and why this topic is so controversial. Everything begins when "we" discovered it and trying to tell people who grew up believing that sheet that it's all supremacy hogwash and nonsense isn't easy because you get bad reactions.
Even Columbus apparently discovered America and they used to teach that sheet without blinking
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I know carbon has been added to iron for years. But it took the Bessemer converter to do it on an industrial scale.
Sheffield became famous for, let's choose cutlery, how did slavery or colonisation help that happen?
posted on 20/4/23
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 52 minutes ago
What exactly are you referring to by "the birth of steel"?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bessemer converter
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Is that what you're referring to as the birth of steel?
Just shows how miseducated people are and why this topic is so controversial. Everything begins when "we" discovered it and trying to tell people who grew up believing that sheet that it's all supremacy hogwash and nonsense isn't easy because you get bad reactions.
Even Columbus apparently discovered America and they used to teach that sheet without blinking
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I know carbon has been added to iron for years. But it took the Bessemer converter to do it on an industrial scale.
Sheffield became famous for, let's choose cutlery, how did slavery or colonisation help that happen?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Or is everything taught at school about it wrong, and really we did nothing ourselves
posted on 20/4/23
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 52 minutes ago
What exactly are you referring to by "the birth of steel"?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bessemer converter
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Is that what you're referring to as the birth of steel?
Just shows how miseducated people are and why this topic is so controversial. Everything begins when "we" discovered it and trying to tell people who grew up believing that sheet that it's all supremacy hogwash and nonsense isn't easy because you get bad reactions.
Even Columbus apparently discovered America and they used to teach that sheet without blinking
----------------------------------------------------------------------
depends on what your talking about ... with steel it was entirely when we discovered/invented it. given that its a man made material.
And Colombus did discover America. you dont understand the difference between discover and invented/created.
America was a name given to a country that Columbus found, it was never claimed he was the first to claim the land.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Are you serious right now?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
the land existed before, it wasnt america then , it was after Columbus discovered it. SO he might not have been the original founder of the land but he was the discovered America the natives discovered turtle island. Its cool you wont understand.
posted on 20/4/23
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 41 seconds ago
Colonialism and slavery obviously created the conditions for industrialisation. That’s not really controversial. Britain wouldn’t have had the resources to do so without it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah, and you can tell because Britain never had an industrial revolution before slavery and colonialism.
If they so smart why didn't they do it when they were a homogenous community?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah it’s not something you can disregard. What was unique to Britain, that allowed for the Industrial Revolution to happen where it did, is a different debate. And ultimately hinges upon the ideas in the country at the time.
posted on 20/4/23
whodunnit, I suspect he’s talking about the revelation that the Norse travellers were the first Europeans to discover America.
posted on 20/4/23
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 52 minutes ago
What exactly are you referring to by "the birth of steel"?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bessemer converter
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Is that what you're referring to as the birth of steel?
Just shows how miseducated people are and why this topic is so controversial. Everything begins when "we" discovered it and trying to tell people who grew up believing that sheet that it's all supremacy hogwash and nonsense isn't easy because you get bad reactions.
Even Columbus apparently discovered America and they used to teach that sheet without blinking
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I know carbon has been added to iron for years. But it took the Bessemer converter to do it on an industrial scale.
Sheffield became famous for, let's choose cutlery, how did slavery or colonisation help that happen?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't know where to start. Where did the raw material come from? Where did the knowledge come from? Why did they need it done on an industrial scale and where did the market for all the extra cutlery come from?
Decarburizing with air processes had been used outside Europe for hundreds of years, but not on an industrial scale. One such process (similar to puddling) was known in the 11th century in East Asia, where the scholar Shen Kuo of that era described its use in the Chinese iron and steel industry. In the 17th century, accounts by European travelers detailed its possible use by the Japanese.
The modern process is named after its inventor, the Englishman Henry Bessemer, who took out a patent on the process in 1856. The process was said to be independently discovered in 1851 by the American inventor William Kelly though the claim is controversial.
"Independently discovered"
As I said, it's all twisting the story in some supremacy hogwash.
The guy who invented the cotton scraper, another who invented the propeller that replaced boat pedals etc etc, had to have them registered and patents taken out in their white slave masters name, because black people couldn't invent stuff for over 300 years.
Daylight robbery.
posted on 20/4/23
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 52 minutes ago
What exactly are you referring to by "the birth of steel"?
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Bessemer converter
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Is that what you're referring to as the birth of steel?
Just shows how miseducated people are and why this topic is so controversial. Everything begins when "we" discovered it and trying to tell people who grew up believing that sheet that it's all supremacy hogwash and nonsense isn't easy because you get bad reactions.
Even Columbus apparently discovered America and they used to teach that sheet without blinking
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depends on what your talking about ... with steel it was entirely when we discovered/invented it. given that its a man made material.
And Colombus did discover America. you dont understand the difference between discover and invented/created.
America was a name given to a country that Columbus found, it was never claimed he was the first to claim the land.
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Are you serious right now?
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the land existed before, it wasnt america then , it was after Columbus discovered it.
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It wasn't America until they'd slaughtered all the natives.
posted on 20/4/23
Leeds United's shield has to go. Shields are instruments of warfare and war has killed and ruined millions of lives. Plus the shield is a symbol of defence, and we can't defend at all. Instead of a shield, it should be a flower or something positive and hopeful.
posted on 20/4/23
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
whodunnit, I suspect he’s talking about the revelation that the Norse travellers were the first Europeans to discover America.
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the discovered the land that became America.
And he cant use his logic of Norse travellers cos that re-inforces my point.
Columbus discovered America, he didnt discover the land that was already discovered countless times.
the natives discovered the land and named it turtle island, the nords discovered whatever it was they called the land when they found it.
If were talking about the land itself it was the natives that found it, and as far as Im aware they were siberians trapped there as a result of the water levels rising and/or the plates moving. Dont quote me on it but its roughly that.
posted on 20/4/23
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 52 minutes ago
What exactly are you referring to by "the birth of steel"?
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Bessemer converter
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Is that what you're referring to as the birth of steel?
Just shows how miseducated people are and why this topic is so controversial. Everything begins when "we" discovered it and trying to tell people who grew up believing that sheet that it's all supremacy hogwash and nonsense isn't easy because you get bad reactions.
Even Columbus apparently discovered America and they used to teach that sheet without blinking
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depends on what your talking about ... with steel it was entirely when we discovered/invented it. given that its a man made material.
And Colombus did discover America. you dont understand the difference between discover and invented/created.
America was a name given to a country that Columbus found, it was never claimed he was the first to claim the land.
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Are you serious right now?
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the land existed before, it wasnt america then , it was after Columbus discovered it.
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It wasn't America until they'd slaughtered all the natives.
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At no point have I said the natives were not on the l;and before Colmbus... it wasnt America then however it was Turtle Island.
I knew you wouldnt understand, it was fairly obvious.
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