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posted on 20/4/23

But the point is that for years it was acknowledged that Columbus was the first European to discover America, the New World, whatever you want to call it. This is now acknowledged as false due to the revelation that Norse travellers had settled there hundreds of years before.

posted on 20/4/23

comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
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comment by manusince52 (U9692)
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comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
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comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 52 minutes ago
What exactly are you referring to by "the birth of steel"?
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Bessemer converter
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Is that what you're referring to as the birth of steel?

Just shows how miseducated people are and why this topic is so controversial. Everything begins when "we" discovered it and trying to tell people who grew up believing that sheet that it's all supremacy hogwash and nonsense isn't easy because you get bad reactions.

Even Columbus apparently discovered America and they used to teach that sheet without blinking
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I know carbon has been added to iron for years. But it took the Bessemer converter to do it on an industrial scale.
Sheffield became famous for, let's choose cutlery, how did slavery or colonisation help that happen?
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I don't know where to start. Where did the raw material come from? Where did the knowledge come from? Why did they need it done on an industrial scale and where did the market for all the extra cutlery come from?

Decarburizing with air processes had been used outside Europe for hundreds of years, but not on an industrial scale. One such process (similar to puddling) was known in the 11th century in East Asia, where the scholar Shen Kuo of that era described its use in the Chinese iron and steel industry. In the 17th century, accounts by European travelers detailed its possible use by the Japanese.

The modern process is named after its inventor, the Englishman Henry Bessemer, who took out a patent on the process in 1856. The process was said to be independently discovered in 1851 by the American inventor William Kelly though the claim is controversial.

"Independently discovered"

As I said, it's all twisting the story in some supremacy hogwash.

The guy who invented the cotton scraper, another who invented the propeller that replaced boat pedals etc etc, had to have them registered and patents taken out in their white slave masters name, because black people couldn't invent stuff for over 300 years.

Daylight robbery.
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We had plenty of iron close to our coal fields.
We sold primarily to ourselves and Europe.

posted on 20/4/23

comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 45 seconds ago
But the point is that for years it was acknowledged that Columbus was the first European to discover America, the New World, whatever you want to call it. This is now acknowledged as false due to the revelation that Norse travellers had settled there hundreds of years before.
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first european to discover the land maybe, yeah but it wasnt america then. No idea what they called it but prior to the Nords it was Turtle Island, as named by the natives

posted on 20/4/23

comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
But the point is that for years it was acknowledged that Columbus was the first European to discover America, the New World, whatever you want to call it. This is now acknowledged as false due to the revelation that Norse travellers had settled there hundreds of years before.
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They didn't call it America though so they didn't actually discover it. They must have just been mistaken otherwise they would have called it America. Maybe it was an illusion caused by heat over the water.

posted on 20/4/23

Where did the knowledge come from, who knows. But we industrialised it with our own iron and coal. Transported it on our railways. It all helped make us rich

posted on 20/4/23

India would be feked without the railways we gave them.

posted on 20/4/23

It wasn’t America when Columbus discovered it. The key point is that it was always assumed that Columbus was the first European to discover the New World. Until it was found to be false. What isn’t in doubt is that Columbus’ discover paved the way for European colonisation of the Americas, this didn’t happen with the Norse, but they are two different points that we now make a distinction about.

posted on 20/4/23

Where would the Indians be if we didn't invent Tikka Masala?

posted on 20/4/23

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
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comment by whodunnit (U22710)
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comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 52 minutes ago
What exactly are you referring to by "the birth of steel"?
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Bessemer converter
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Is that what you're referring to as the birth of steel?

Just shows how miseducated people are and why this topic is so controversial. Everything begins when "we" discovered it and trying to tell people who grew up believing that sheet that it's all supremacy hogwash and nonsense isn't easy because you get bad reactions.

Even Columbus apparently discovered America and they used to teach that sheet without blinking
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depends on what your talking about ... with steel it was entirely when we discovered/invented it. given that its a man made material.

And Colombus did discover America. you dont understand the difference between discover and invented/created.

America was a name given to a country that Columbus found, it was never claimed he was the first to claim the land.
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Are you serious right now?
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the land existed before, it wasnt america then , it was after Columbus discovered it.
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It wasn't America until they'd slaughtered all the natives.
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At no point have I said the natives were not on the l;and before Colmbus... it wasnt America then however it was Turtle Island.

I knew you wouldnt understand, it was fairly obvious.
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What's your point?

That Columbus discovered America?

posted on 20/4/23

comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
It wasn’t America when Columbus discovered it. The key point is that it was always assumed that Columbus was the first European to discover the New World. Until it was found to be false. What isn’t in doubt is that Columbus’ discover paved the way for European colonisation of the Americas, this didn’t happen with the Norse, but they are two different points that we now make a distinction about.
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And since we all came from mitochondrial eve, the first
Humans to discover America, and everything else on earth were the Africans actually.

posted on 20/4/23

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 5 minutes ago
Where did the knowledge come from, who knows. But we industrialised it with our own iron and coal. Transported it on our railways. It all helped make us rich
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52, but you cannot isolate these innovations from the conditions that allowed them to happen.

posted on 20/4/23

We can go through this invention by invention and you will discover that they invented next to nothing during the industrial revolution. They had the wealth and time (because of slavery and colonialism) to bring things into reality and improve them, but they hardly invented anything.

Why didn't they invent the Bessemer converter before slavery and colonialism? First because they were too busy working the fields and tending the animals to think. People living hand to mouth don't invent very often. Only with free labour did they become free to sit on aristocratic balconies, a body of thinkers, not workers, sipping tea and wondering why the apple fell from the tree instead of levitating.

Two, because they had unreliable iron ore supply and an even more unreliable market to sell the finished product that could t sustain the production costs.

Slavery and colonialism solved all these and more problems and allowed the industrial revolution to take off. It could have happened anywhere on earth if under the same circumstances, which Britain was simply fortunate to be at the right place at the right time.

Even the naming is weird. Where is the Roman, Persian, Egyptian, Babylonian revolution etc. because they did the same thing in their time. Collecting all the knowledge, skill and labour of the surrounding civilisations and conquered nations, and then presenting it as their own original inventions.

Industrialisation is like a load which every civilisation has carried at one point or another. But some must be more special than others.

posted on 20/4/23

You may like or Hate individuals like Andrew Tate, but it is for this very reason that idiots like that are famous and very wealthy.

Wokery of the highest order this. Absolute and utter nonsense!

posted on 20/4/23

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 7 minutes ago
Where did the knowledge come from, who knows. But we industrialised it with our own iron and coal. Transported it on our railways. It all helped make us rich
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I just explained to you where the knowledge came from!

posted on 20/4/23

Slavery is not as black and white an issue as some people suggest. Some slaves were kind of lighterish brown and some slave owners were quite tanned. There are also quite a lot of grey areas, mainly the roads the blacks had to walk in chains. Also we are forgetting that the slave owners fed and housed the slaves who contributed nothing towards rent or food because they didn't even have jobs. I bet they didn't even say thanks whilst getting accommodation and food provided. Is it time that they retrospectively said thanks? I know it is hundreds of years later but the whites surely still deserve a thanks?

posted on 20/4/23

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 16 minutes ago
India would be feked without the railways we gave them.
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Don't be obtuse. What we stole from India could cover the entire country in an endless railway and still have enough left over to bail the world out of the post world war 2 recession...

And still have some left over to do whatever you want.

But just in case this is a joke then it's very funny

posted on 20/4/23

comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 7 minutes ago
You may like or Hate individuals like Andrew Tate, but it is for this very reason that idiots like that are famous and very wealthy.

Wokery of the highest order this. Absolute and utter nonsense!
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Why do you get so easily upset about one person's viewpoint? Man up

posted on 20/4/23

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 20 minutes ago
Where did the knowledge come from, who knows. But we industrialised it with our own iron and coal. Transported it on our railways. It all helped make us rich
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No, you had the wealth and need to industrialise because of globalisation, slavery and colonialism. That's why you never did it before that. All you did was follow the blueprint which had been slowly put together by various different entities over hundreds/thousands of years and then claimed to have invented the process, like you did nearly everything else.

posted on 20/4/23

I know it is hundreds of years later but the whites surely still deserve a thanks?
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There are actually white supremacists that believe they should because they now get to live in America rather than Africa.

posted on 20/4/23

comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 20 minutes ago
Where did the knowledge come from, who knows. But we industrialised it with our own iron and coal. Transported it on our railways. It all helped make us rich
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No, you had the wealth and need to industrialise because of globalisation, slavery and colonialism. That's why you never did it before that. All you did was follow the blueprint which had been slowly put together by various different entities over hundreds/thousands of years and then claimed to have invented the process, like you did nearly everything else.
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52 is old, but not that old.

posted on 20/4/23

comment by Tyler French (U1734)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 7 minutes ago
You may like or Hate individuals like Andrew Tate, but it is for this very reason that idiots like that are famous and very wealthy.

Wokery of the highest order this. Absolute and utter nonsense!
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Why do you get so easily upset about one person's viewpoint? Man up
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It is idiots like you and the rest that think I am upset. If you genuinely think reading and conversing here makes me upset, you need your head examined!

posted on 20/4/23

comment by Robbing Hoody - At the end of a storm (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 20 minutes ago
Where did the knowledge come from, who knows. But we industrialised it with our own iron and coal. Transported it on our railways. It all helped make us rich
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No, you had the wealth and need to industrialise because of globalisation, slavery and colonialism. That's why you never did it before that. All you did was follow the blueprint which had been slowly put together by various different entities over hundreds/thousands of years and then claimed to have invented the process, like you did nearly everything else.
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52 is old, but not that old.
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His fault for saying "we" in his comment.

posted on 20/4/23

comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Tyler French (U1734)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 7 minutes ago
You may like or Hate individuals like Andrew Tate, but it is for this very reason that idiots like that are famous and very wealthy.

Wokery of the highest order this. Absolute and utter nonsense!
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Why do you get so easily upset about one person's viewpoint? Man up
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It is idiots like you and the rest that think I am upset. If you genuinely think reading and conversing here makes me upset, you need your head examined!
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Calm the hell down!! JESUS. it is just one measly person's opinion. It shouldn't mean anything to you. Why do you think one opinion is so important and let it get to you like this?

posted on 20/4/23

comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - At the end of a storm (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 20 minutes ago
Where did the knowledge come from, who knows. But we industrialised it with our own iron and coal. Transported it on our railways. It all helped make us rich
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No, you had the wealth and need to industrialise because of globalisation, slavery and colonialism. That's why you never did it before that. All you did was follow the blueprint which had been slowly put together by various different entities over hundreds/thousands of years and then claimed to have invented the process, like you did nearly everything else.
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52 is old, but not that old.
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His fault for saying "we" in his comment.
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So we didn't invent the railways?

posted on 20/4/23

I love the logic that it’s because of people that don’t like misogyny that misogynists like Tate are rich and famous.

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