We've seen a fair few small clubs make the final over the years of the new format though.
Porto, Monaco, Spurs and more.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 23 seconds ago
Dont get me wrong the CL is great (even if the group stages can be a little tedious) but the problem is all the money is only going to a few sides which makes it predictable. Imagine if the ‘lesser’ leagues were given more money and didn’t need to sell their talent, you’d actually get some strong sides all over the continent. Back in the day playing away in Eastern Europe used to be very daunting and you’d be lucky to get a point, now they’re guaranteed 3 pointers. Last time that happened was the great Kiev side of the late 90s.
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That's nothing to do with the CL though. English clubs aren't rich cos of the CL, they are rich because they are better at selling their product.
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 1 hour, 55 minutes ago
Look at some of the teams Liverpool beat in the 70's.
It shouldn't be considered the same comp.
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Oh, you mean the national champions of their respective leagues?
you're a bigger fuŃking idiot than Wahl & Culer
Way to go
comment by Insufferable-Piffle, just in case, I'm sorry! (U4388)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Insufferable-Piffle, just in case, I'm sorry! (U4388)
posted 52 seconds ago
I understand the group stages of the Champs are a money spinner and will never be taken away, more likely expended to create more money, is what it is and generally I've no problem with that
BUT a simple knockout comp with no seeded teams where anyone could play anyone would give a bit excitement as well surely?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Thing is smaller clubs rely on revenue from the 6 group matches. Going out in round 1 to Real/Barca et al would bit harsh. Plus, as seen in the FA cup, the bigger, richer clubs usually get to the latter stages/final more often than not.
Can only see this making richer clubs richer and leaving the smaller clubs with less money.
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Fair point from a fiscal perspectiveand I agree with the money part, certainly my club Celtic benefit from it when we manage to get to the group stages on occasion and even to a lesser degree the qualys, from a football perspective I just enjoy knockout comps as well and to be fair the bigger clubs would likely dominate but just every soo often a smaller club knocking out a giant would be fun
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Who doesn’t love a cupset. Sadly they don’t happen too often.
Funny thing about the OP is of you asked fans of 4 of the 7 clubs listed above about Chelsea pre 1993 most would answer who are they then
DJ
Yes the PL are best at selling their product and getting the vast majority of the money as a result. Smaller countries will never be able to compete and so their talents always leave, this was far less of an issue years back. If the PL wasn’t so powerful and money was distributed more and players had less need to leave their clubs then you would have far less predictable European football.
Also, communism seemed to make some great sides, we should bring that back and get some great eastern block sides again.
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Insufferable-Piffle, just in case, I'm sorry! (U4388)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Insufferable-Piffle, just in case, I'm sorry! (U4388)
posted 52 seconds ago
I understand the group stages of the Champs are a money spinner and will never be taken away, more likely expended to create more money, is what it is and generally I've no problem with that
BUT a simple knockout comp with no seeded teams where anyone could play anyone would give a bit excitement as well surely?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Thing is smaller clubs rely on revenue from the 6 group matches. Going out in round 1 to Real/Barca et al would bit harsh. Plus, as seen in the FA cup, the bigger, richer clubs usually get to the latter stages/final more often than not.
Can only see this making richer clubs richer and leaving the smaller clubs with less money.
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Fair point from a fiscal perspectiveand I agree with the money part, certainly my club Celtic benefit from it when we manage to get to the group stages on occasion and even to a lesser degree the qualys, from a football perspective I just enjoy knockout comps as well and to be fair the bigger clubs would likely dominate but just every soo often a smaller club knocking out a giant would be fun
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Who doesn’t love a cupset. Sadly they don’t happen too often.
Funny thing about the OP is of you asked fans of 4 of the 7 clubs listed above about Chelsea pre 1993 most would answer who are they then
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this has turned into a decent football chat by others but the initial OP was set up for friction, cannot be bothered with that nonsense
To answer the Q…
No - they don’t count or matter
The Ol’ European Cup was a joke tbh - it was considered a gimmick event for a long time.
Even the modern CL is a commercial failure and also doesn’t really matter much.
The new Club World Cup will make it completely irrelevant
comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 6 minutes ago
To answer the Q…
No - they don’t count or matter
The Ol’ European Cup was a joke tbh - it was considered a gimmick event for a long time.
Even the modern CL is a commercial failure and also doesn’t really matter much.
The new Club World Cup will make it completely irrelevant
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And here's LiquidShitForBrains. Makes Culer and Wahl sound like geniuses!
tbf if you told someone before 1993 that Chelsea would win 2 European cups they would assume that it must have stopped mattering and become watered down
comment by Sunday 5th March 2023, Liverpool 7 (SEVEN) - M... (U22930)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 6 minutes ago
To answer the Q…
No - they don’t count or matter
The Ol’ European Cup was a joke tbh - it was considered a gimmick event for a long time.
Even the modern CL is a commercial failure and also doesn’t really matter much.
The new Club World Cup will make it completely irrelevant
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And here's LiquidShitForBrains. Makes Culer and Wahl sound like geniuses!
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You can tell Arsenil have never won it in either format
How's your title challenge going Liquidmoron?
comment by Keep It Greasy - Music is the BEST (U1396)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sunday 5th March 2023, Liverpool 7 (SEVEN) - M... (U22930)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 6 minutes ago
To answer the Q…
No - they don’t count or matter
The Ol’ European Cup was a joke tbh - it was considered a gimmick event for a long time.
Even the modern CL is a commercial failure and also doesn’t really matter much.
The new Club World Cup will make it completely irrelevant
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And here's LiquidShitForBrains. Makes Culer and Wahl sound like geniuses!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You can tell Arsenil have never won it in either format
How's your title challenge going Liquidmoron?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bottled it in 06 š¤£
comment by Keep It Greasy - Music is the BEST (U1396)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 1 hour, 55 minutes ago
Look at some of the teams Liverpool beat in the 70's.
It shouldn't be considered the same comp.
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Oh, you mean the national champions of their respective leagues?
you're a bigger fuŃking idiot than Wahl & Culer
Way to go
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You think the Dutch, Swede and Hungarian Champs are better than 2nd or 3rd place teams from the Prem ?
What the? Of course it matters!!
Hell why don’t we wipe the rest of English football before 92/93?
Foolishness. It’s a glorious history of almost 70 years of the greatest club cup competition.
And it was proper Champions v Champions.
None of this 3rd/4th place malarkey, that’s given rise to fans foolishly bragging that, that qualifies as success in today’s world.
Yes Forest have 2 stars over their badge, led by one of footballs managerial greats. And they deserve it, and it should be respected.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 59 minutes ago
At times the UEFA cup had a higher standard of teams than the European cup.
------
Exactly. The third tier competition had better teams than the competition that was meant to be for the best.
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No it didn't.
If there was one thing that was certain, it's that every European Cup entrant was a league champion, plus the EC holders if they hadn't done the double.
UEFA Cup entrants were runners-up, third placed teams, sometimes fourth-placed and even fifth-placed teams, according to the league and circumstances. The fact that some of them might have won their league in the same season they played in the UEFA Cup doesn't change the fact that overall it was a much more diluted competition.
If you look back to the list of UEFA Cup champions, you'll find a fair number who didn't win their league in any of the seasons surrounding their UEFA Cup wins.
The Cup Winners' Cup actually took precedence over the UEFA Cup, so if the domestic runners-up also happened to be cup champions, then they wouldn't play the UEFA Cup.
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Keep It Greasy - Music is the BEST (U1396)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 1 hour, 55 minutes ago
Look at some of the teams Liverpool beat in the 70's.
It shouldn't be considered the same comp.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh, you mean the national champions of their respective leagues?
you're a bigger fuŃking idiot than Wahl & Culer
Way to go
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You think the Dutch, Swede and Hungarian Champs are better than 2nd or 3rd place teams from the Prem ?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There was no prem then you utter dork
comment by Sunday 5th March 2023, Liverpool 7 (SEVEN) - Manchester United 0 (U22930)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 6 minutes ago
To answer the Q…
No - they don’t count or matter
The Ol’ European Cup was a joke tbh - it was considered a gimmick event for a long time.
Even the modern CL is a commercial failure and also doesn’t really matter much.
The new Club World Cup will make it completely irrelevant
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And here's LiquidShitForBrains. Makes Culer and Wahl sound like geniuses!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And yet you still bite
Still deserve to be recognised but it's an entirely different competition to me.
Had they changed the trophy when they changed the name it would have been as well.
It is a different trophy because we were given the old one
comment by Keep It Greasy - Music is the BEST (U1396)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Keep It Greasy - Music is the BEST (U1396)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 1 hour, 55 minutes ago
Look at some of the teams Liverpool beat in the 70's.
It shouldn't be considered the same comp.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh, you mean the national champions of their respective leagues?
you're a bigger fuŃking idiot than Wahl & Culer
Way to go
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You think the Dutch, Swede and Hungarian Champs are better than 2nd or 3rd place teams from the Prem ?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There was no prem then you utter dork
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We are talking about what it should be now as opposed to what it was,.you dork.
comment by Robbing Hoody - At the end of a storm (U6374)
posted 7 minutes ago
It is a different trophy because we were given the old one
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Real Madrid use theirs to prop the doors open when it's got.
comment by TopForm (U15726)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Sunday 5th March 2023, Liverpool 7 (SEVEN) - Manchester United 0 (U22930)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 6 minutes ago
To answer the Q…
No - they don’t count or matter
The Ol’ European Cup was a joke tbh - it was considered a gimmick event for a long time.
Even the modern CL is a commercial failure and also doesn’t really matter much.
The new Club World Cup will make it completely irrelevant
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And here's LiquidShitForBrains. Makes Culer and Wahl sound like geniuses!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And yet you still bite
----------------------------------------------------------------------
got tot keep practising
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Keep It Greasy - Music is the BEST (U1396)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Keep It Greasy - Music is the BEST (U1396)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 1 hour, 55 minutes ago
Look at some of the teams Liverpool beat in the 70's.
It shouldn't be considered the same comp.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh, you mean the national champions of their respective leagues?
you're a bigger fuŃking idiot than Wahl & Culer
Way to go
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You think the Dutch, Swede and Hungarian Champs are better than 2nd or 3rd place teams from the Prem ?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There was no prem then you utter dork
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We are talking about what it should be now as opposed to what it was,.you dork.
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I don't think anyone knows what the fuŃk you're talking about - including yourself, Ńhit for brains.
When I went to United's win in 1968 Vs Benfica with Eusebio I thought it great, I still do. So they count for me.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 42 seconds ago
When I went to United's win in 1968 Vs Benfica with Eusebio I thought it great, I still do. So they count for me.
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Wow. What an amazing memory to have.
I feel a bit sorry for Benfica. Quite a few of their fans were convinced this was the year to break the Bela Guttmann curse. I suppose the money for Enzo was too good to turn down, and I've no idea if his staying would have changed anything, but it's a sorry state of affairs when a potential title challenger can have their players poached mid-season like that.
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posted on 17/5/23
We've seen a fair few small clubs make the final over the years of the new format though.
Porto, Monaco, Spurs and more.
posted on 17/5/23
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 23 seconds ago
Dont get me wrong the CL is great (even if the group stages can be a little tedious) but the problem is all the money is only going to a few sides which makes it predictable. Imagine if the ‘lesser’ leagues were given more money and didn’t need to sell their talent, you’d actually get some strong sides all over the continent. Back in the day playing away in Eastern Europe used to be very daunting and you’d be lucky to get a point, now they’re guaranteed 3 pointers. Last time that happened was the great Kiev side of the late 90s.
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That's nothing to do with the CL though. English clubs aren't rich cos of the CL, they are rich because they are better at selling their product.
posted on 17/5/23
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 1 hour, 55 minutes ago
Look at some of the teams Liverpool beat in the 70's.
It shouldn't be considered the same comp.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh, you mean the national champions of their respective leagues?
you're a bigger fuŃking idiot than Wahl & Culer
Way to go
posted on 17/5/23
comment by Insufferable-Piffle, just in case, I'm sorry! (U4388)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Insufferable-Piffle, just in case, I'm sorry! (U4388)
posted 52 seconds ago
I understand the group stages of the Champs are a money spinner and will never be taken away, more likely expended to create more money, is what it is and generally I've no problem with that
BUT a simple knockout comp with no seeded teams where anyone could play anyone would give a bit excitement as well surely?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Thing is smaller clubs rely on revenue from the 6 group matches. Going out in round 1 to Real/Barca et al would bit harsh. Plus, as seen in the FA cup, the bigger, richer clubs usually get to the latter stages/final more often than not.
Can only see this making richer clubs richer and leaving the smaller clubs with less money.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Fair point from a fiscal perspectiveand I agree with the money part, certainly my club Celtic benefit from it when we manage to get to the group stages on occasion and even to a lesser degree the qualys, from a football perspective I just enjoy knockout comps as well and to be fair the bigger clubs would likely dominate but just every soo often a smaller club knocking out a giant would be fun
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who doesn’t love a cupset. Sadly they don’t happen too often.
Funny thing about the OP is of you asked fans of 4 of the 7 clubs listed above about Chelsea pre 1993 most would answer who are they then
posted on 17/5/23
DJ
Yes the PL are best at selling their product and getting the vast majority of the money as a result. Smaller countries will never be able to compete and so their talents always leave, this was far less of an issue years back. If the PL wasn’t so powerful and money was distributed more and players had less need to leave their clubs then you would have far less predictable European football.
Also, communism seemed to make some great sides, we should bring that back and get some great eastern block sides again.
posted on 17/5/23
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Insufferable-Piffle, just in case, I'm sorry! (U4388)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Insufferable-Piffle, just in case, I'm sorry! (U4388)
posted 52 seconds ago
I understand the group stages of the Champs are a money spinner and will never be taken away, more likely expended to create more money, is what it is and generally I've no problem with that
BUT a simple knockout comp with no seeded teams where anyone could play anyone would give a bit excitement as well surely?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Thing is smaller clubs rely on revenue from the 6 group matches. Going out in round 1 to Real/Barca et al would bit harsh. Plus, as seen in the FA cup, the bigger, richer clubs usually get to the latter stages/final more often than not.
Can only see this making richer clubs richer and leaving the smaller clubs with less money.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Fair point from a fiscal perspectiveand I agree with the money part, certainly my club Celtic benefit from it when we manage to get to the group stages on occasion and even to a lesser degree the qualys, from a football perspective I just enjoy knockout comps as well and to be fair the bigger clubs would likely dominate but just every soo often a smaller club knocking out a giant would be fun
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who doesn’t love a cupset. Sadly they don’t happen too often.
Funny thing about the OP is of you asked fans of 4 of the 7 clubs listed above about Chelsea pre 1993 most would answer who are they then
----------------------------------------------------------------------
this has turned into a decent football chat by others but the initial OP was set up for friction, cannot be bothered with that nonsense
posted on 17/5/23
To answer the Q…
No - they don’t count or matter
The Ol’ European Cup was a joke tbh - it was considered a gimmick event for a long time.
Even the modern CL is a commercial failure and also doesn’t really matter much.
The new Club World Cup will make it completely irrelevant
posted on 17/5/23
comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 6 minutes ago
To answer the Q…
No - they don’t count or matter
The Ol’ European Cup was a joke tbh - it was considered a gimmick event for a long time.
Even the modern CL is a commercial failure and also doesn’t really matter much.
The new Club World Cup will make it completely irrelevant
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And here's LiquidShitForBrains. Makes Culer and Wahl sound like geniuses!
posted on 17/5/23
tbf if you told someone before 1993 that Chelsea would win 2 European cups they would assume that it must have stopped mattering and become watered down
posted on 17/5/23
comment by Sunday 5th March 2023, Liverpool 7 (SEVEN) - M... (U22930)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 6 minutes ago
To answer the Q…
No - they don’t count or matter
The Ol’ European Cup was a joke tbh - it was considered a gimmick event for a long time.
Even the modern CL is a commercial failure and also doesn’t really matter much.
The new Club World Cup will make it completely irrelevant
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And here's LiquidShitForBrains. Makes Culer and Wahl sound like geniuses!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You can tell Arsenil have never won it in either format
How's your title challenge going Liquidmoron?
posted on 17/5/23
comment by Keep It Greasy - Music is the BEST (U1396)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sunday 5th March 2023, Liverpool 7 (SEVEN) - M... (U22930)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 6 minutes ago
To answer the Q…
No - they don’t count or matter
The Ol’ European Cup was a joke tbh - it was considered a gimmick event for a long time.
Even the modern CL is a commercial failure and also doesn’t really matter much.
The new Club World Cup will make it completely irrelevant
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And here's LiquidShitForBrains. Makes Culer and Wahl sound like geniuses!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You can tell Arsenil have never won it in either format
How's your title challenge going Liquidmoron?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bottled it in 06 š¤£
posted on 17/5/23
comment by Keep It Greasy - Music is the BEST (U1396)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 1 hour, 55 minutes ago
Look at some of the teams Liverpool beat in the 70's.
It shouldn't be considered the same comp.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh, you mean the national champions of their respective leagues?
you're a bigger fuŃking idiot than Wahl & Culer
Way to go
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You think the Dutch, Swede and Hungarian Champs are better than 2nd or 3rd place teams from the Prem ?
posted on 17/5/23
What the? Of course it matters!!
Hell why don’t we wipe the rest of English football before 92/93?
Foolishness. It’s a glorious history of almost 70 years of the greatest club cup competition.
And it was proper Champions v Champions.
None of this 3rd/4th place malarkey, that’s given rise to fans foolishly bragging that, that qualifies as success in today’s world.
Yes Forest have 2 stars over their badge, led by one of footballs managerial greats. And they deserve it, and it should be respected.
posted on 17/5/23
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 59 minutes ago
At times the UEFA cup had a higher standard of teams than the European cup.
------
Exactly. The third tier competition had better teams than the competition that was meant to be for the best.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No it didn't.
If there was one thing that was certain, it's that every European Cup entrant was a league champion, plus the EC holders if they hadn't done the double.
UEFA Cup entrants were runners-up, third placed teams, sometimes fourth-placed and even fifth-placed teams, according to the league and circumstances. The fact that some of them might have won their league in the same season they played in the UEFA Cup doesn't change the fact that overall it was a much more diluted competition.
If you look back to the list of UEFA Cup champions, you'll find a fair number who didn't win their league in any of the seasons surrounding their UEFA Cup wins.
The Cup Winners' Cup actually took precedence over the UEFA Cup, so if the domestic runners-up also happened to be cup champions, then they wouldn't play the UEFA Cup.
posted on 17/5/23
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Keep It Greasy - Music is the BEST (U1396)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 1 hour, 55 minutes ago
Look at some of the teams Liverpool beat in the 70's.
It shouldn't be considered the same comp.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh, you mean the national champions of their respective leagues?
you're a bigger fuŃking idiot than Wahl & Culer
Way to go
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You think the Dutch, Swede and Hungarian Champs are better than 2nd or 3rd place teams from the Prem ?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There was no prem then you utter dork
posted on 17/5/23
comment by Sunday 5th March 2023, Liverpool 7 (SEVEN) - Manchester United 0 (U22930)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 6 minutes ago
To answer the Q…
No - they don’t count or matter
The Ol’ European Cup was a joke tbh - it was considered a gimmick event for a long time.
Even the modern CL is a commercial failure and also doesn’t really matter much.
The new Club World Cup will make it completely irrelevant
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And here's LiquidShitForBrains. Makes Culer and Wahl sound like geniuses!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And yet you still bite
posted on 17/5/23
Still deserve to be recognised but it's an entirely different competition to me.
Had they changed the trophy when they changed the name it would have been as well.
posted on 17/5/23
It is a different trophy because we were given the old one
posted on 17/5/23
comment by Keep It Greasy - Music is the BEST (U1396)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Keep It Greasy - Music is the BEST (U1396)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 1 hour, 55 minutes ago
Look at some of the teams Liverpool beat in the 70's.
It shouldn't be considered the same comp.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh, you mean the national champions of their respective leagues?
you're a bigger fuŃking idiot than Wahl & Culer
Way to go
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You think the Dutch, Swede and Hungarian Champs are better than 2nd or 3rd place teams from the Prem ?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There was no prem then you utter dork
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We are talking about what it should be now as opposed to what it was,.you dork.
posted on 17/5/23
comment by Robbing Hoody - At the end of a storm (U6374)
posted 7 minutes ago
It is a different trophy because we were given the old one
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Real Madrid use theirs to prop the doors open when it's got.
posted on 17/5/23
comment by TopForm (U15726)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Sunday 5th March 2023, Liverpool 7 (SEVEN) - Manchester United 0 (U22930)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 6 minutes ago
To answer the Q…
No - they don’t count or matter
The Ol’ European Cup was a joke tbh - it was considered a gimmick event for a long time.
Even the modern CL is a commercial failure and also doesn’t really matter much.
The new Club World Cup will make it completely irrelevant
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And here's LiquidShitForBrains. Makes Culer and Wahl sound like geniuses!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And yet you still bite
----------------------------------------------------------------------
got tot keep practising
posted on 17/5/23
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Keep It Greasy - Music is the BEST (U1396)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Keep It Greasy - Music is the BEST (U1396)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 1 hour, 55 minutes ago
Look at some of the teams Liverpool beat in the 70's.
It shouldn't be considered the same comp.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh, you mean the national champions of their respective leagues?
you're a bigger fuŃking idiot than Wahl & Culer
Way to go
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You think the Dutch, Swede and Hungarian Champs are better than 2nd or 3rd place teams from the Prem ?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There was no prem then you utter dork
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We are talking about what it should be now as opposed to what it was,.you dork.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't think anyone knows what the fuŃk you're talking about - including yourself, Ńhit for brains.
posted on 17/5/23
When I went to United's win in 1968 Vs Benfica with Eusebio I thought it great, I still do. So they count for me.
posted on 17/5/23
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 42 seconds ago
When I went to United's win in 1968 Vs Benfica with Eusebio I thought it great, I still do. So they count for me.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Wow. What an amazing memory to have.
posted on 17/5/23
I feel a bit sorry for Benfica. Quite a few of their fans were convinced this was the year to break the Bela Guttmann curse. I suppose the money for Enzo was too good to turn down, and I've no idea if his staying would have changed anything, but it's a sorry state of affairs when a potential title challenger can have their players poached mid-season like that.
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