Make of that what you will….
She clearly wants to be with him so why don't we just leave them alone. It is none of our business
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posted 22 seconds ago
comment by rooney_hernandez (U7012)
posted 4 minutes ago
“ Although the woman reported the alleged sexual assault to local authorities, she apparently does not want to press charges, with Mitchell writing in her letters that the woman is only seeking settlements with McGregor, the NBA and Heat. TMZ reported that the Miami Police Department said it has conducted an investigation since Sunday, which remains ongoing.”
The Mitchell referred to is the accuser’s attorney.
Always disheartening how many men seek to levy judgement upon others to appear righteous without doing the most basic level of background research possible.
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I wasn't referring to the question of whether she was pressing charges when I made my broader point; Rosso didn't make that statement which you're referencing when he noted she made a police report. So it's not quite clear what you're trying to refute here.
But more generally, with every high profile rape allegation case you get a swathe of dudes arguing that the woman wasn't raped and is motivated by money. That's just a fact. It's also a fact that women do get raped, and so in at least some of the cases where men are instinctively siding with the accused, they are siding with a rapist. It doesn't make me righteous disliking that state of affairs. It's not that I'm a morally fine human being. I have many flaws, and have done plenty of selfish things that I shouldn't be proud of. So no, it's not about me being righteous. It's about some people being woman-hating cиnts.
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You’ve responded directly to a comment which responds directly to my own comment, so the implication is very clear in that respect.
We’re not talking about rape accusations in general or the makeup of your - or indeed others’ - morale fibre; we’re talking about the case at hand.
Based on the points I’ve made in my original post, the fact pattern and information being provided here seems far from credible and certainly points to the fact that pecuniary motives will be accepted in lieu of persecution, which has been directly stated by her attorney.
My point was that this fact - the pursuit of fiscal reimbursement in lieu of persecution - is incongruent with the typical desires of a victim of rape and is among other things incredibly contrarian to the wellbeing of rape victims globally.
I’m not jumping on a bandwagon and screaming “gold digger” at the first accusation of rape; I’ve read the facts of the case that are publicly available at this moment in time and recognised that hey attorney has literally stated that the victim will accept cash in lieu of persecution. I would suggest you observe some specificity when approaching specific questions and conversations.
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 2 minutes ago
McGregor is a grade A tw at Easily the worst person to ever come out of this country
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Mick Hucknell?
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comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 2 minutes ago
McGregor is a grade A tw at Easily the worst person to ever come out of this country
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Mick Hucknell?
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He's not even irsh is
im having a mare
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posted 9 minutes ago
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posted 7 minutes ago
Ahh the good old jump to conlusions and sentence without one iota of proof.
I think, and this is as controversion a take as they come, that someone as handsome (haha gay statement but simply a fact) and rich and famous and lets face it smart, as McGregor is not going to rape someone when he could get most women
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Handsome, rich and famous men never commit rape? Seriously?
Holy fack, this facking place gets worse every day
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Any chance you’ve done any sort of research whatsoever and are ready to retract your previous comments?
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Highly unlikely
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posted 7 minutes ago
Ahh the good old jump to conlusions and sentence without one iota of proof.
I think, and this is as controversion a take as they come, that someone as handsome (haha gay statement but simply a fact) and rich and famous and lets face it smart, as McGregor is not going to rape someone when he could get most women
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Handsome, rich and famous men never commit rape? Seriously?
Holy fack, this facking place gets worse every day
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Any chance you’ve done any sort of research whatsoever and are ready to retract your previous comments?
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Which specific comment would you like me to retract?
Rosso, that would be this one:
report was filed with Miami police the morning after the alleged assault and is being investigated by their Special Victims Unit.
Submitting a police report immediately after the event would be a very strange thing to do if she didn’t want to press charges.
The alleged victim’s lawyer has also said that they have obtained video footage of at least part of the alleged incident.
People might be wise to remind themselves of Tarantino’s words before commenting on this matter:
The less a man makes declarative statements, the less apt he is to look foolish in retrospect.
Met him in vegas, guys a weapon.
comment by rooney_hernandez (U7012)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by rooney_hernandez (U7012)
posted 4 minutes ago
“ Although the woman reported the alleged sexual assault to local authorities, she apparently does not want to press charges, with Mitchell writing in her letters that the woman is only seeking settlements with McGregor, the NBA and Heat. TMZ reported that the Miami Police Department said it has conducted an investigation since Sunday, which remains ongoing.”
The Mitchell referred to is the accuser’s attorney.
Always disheartening how many men seek to levy judgement upon others to appear righteous without doing the most basic level of background research possible.
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I wasn't referring to the question of whether she was pressing charges when I made my broader point; Rosso didn't make that statement which you're referencing when he noted she made a police report. So it's not quite clear what you're trying to refute here.
But more generally, with every high profile rape allegation case you get a swathe of dudes arguing that the woman wasn't raped and is motivated by money. That's just a fact. It's also a fact that women do get raped, and so in at least some of the cases where men are instinctively siding with the accused, they are siding with a rapist. It doesn't make me righteous disliking that state of affairs. It's not that I'm a morally fine human being. I have many flaws, and have done plenty of selfish things that I shouldn't be proud of. So no, it's not about me being righteous. It's about some people being woman-hating cиnts.
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You’ve responded directly to a comment which responds directly to my own comment, so the implication is very clear in that respect.
We’re not talking about rape accusations in general or the makeup of your - or indeed others’ - morale fibre; we’re talking about the case at hand.
Based on the points I’ve made in my original post, the fact pattern and information being provided here seems far from credible and certainly points to the fact that pecuniary motives will be accepted in lieu of persecution, which has been directly stated by her attorney.
My point was that this fact - the pursuit of fiscal reimbursement in lieu of persecution - is incongruent with the typical desires of a victim of rape and is among other things incredibly contrarian to the wellbeing of rape victims globally.
I’m not jumping on a bandwagon and screaming “gold digger” at the first accusation of rape; I’ve read the facts of the case that are publicly available at this moment in time and recognised that hey attorney has literally stated that the victim will accept cash in lieu of persecution. I would suggest you observe some specificity when approaching specific questions and conversations.
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“My point was that this fact - the pursuit of fiscal reimbursement in lieu of persecution - is incongruent with the typical desires of a victim of rape…”
No, it isn’t. Not after good legal advice anyway.
There is a much higher burden of proof in criminal versus civil cases, the majority of raapists walk free in criminal trials, the restitution is better in civil cases (in the US at least), civil claims can also be brought against parties who failed to undertake reasonable actions to prevent sexual assault (which in this case might include the likes of the NBA, the NBA team, and the private security contractors), civil claimants have more control over proceedings than criminal plaintiffs, and multiple parties can be sued at once under the same case.
comment by rooney_hernandez (U7012)
posted 8 minutes ago
Rosso, that would be this one:
report was filed with Miami police the morning after the alleged assault and is being investigated by their Special Victims Unit.
Submitting a police report immediately after the event would be a very strange thing to do if she didn’t want to press charges.
The alleged victim’s lawyer has also said that they have obtained video footage of at least part of the alleged incident.
People might be wise to remind themselves of Tarantino’s words before commenting on this matter:
The less a man makes declarative statements, the less apt he is to look foolish in retrospect.
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Nope; nothing there I’d like to reconsider, thanks.
Mascots and women (with the help of security guards) about his limit now……..
Might have been a seeex game.
McGregor is an absolute piece of shiiiiit.
comment by Rock Steady (U9953)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 14 minutes ago
Everyone should just block this Pierre fella.
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Why? Just because you don't like what he's written, everyone else should block him?
Why don't you just block him and move on?
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Because he is clealry a wind up, and derails threads.
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Rock Steady (U9953)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 14 minutes ago
Everyone should just block this Pierre fella.
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Why? Just because you don't like what he's written, everyone else should block him?
Why don't you just block him and move on?
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Because he is clealry a wind up, and derails threads.
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Oh irony.
comment by rooney_hernandez (U7012)
posted 3 seconds ago
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While I was replying to Rosso's comment, my remark was not referring to your response to this story in particular, let alone to that individual point within his post about filing a police report. I phrased my remark in very general terms, which accurately reflected the general point I wanted to make. Sometimes when we reply to comments, we zoom out to make wider observations: your inference was wrong.
But I would indeed take issue with what you in particular have said so far.
1. I don't think we can draw conclusions about the veracity of her claims based on whether she is "looking to file charges". First of all, if a serious crime is found to have take place, the police do not need the individual to ask or permit them to charge the perpetrator. That is not for the legal representatives of the victim to decide.
2. I don't think it's our place to morally police the actions of an alleged rape victim. I imagine someone who has undergone a trauma of that sort has a great deal going through their head. Possibly a terror of reliving the episode. Possibly her legal advisors are pointing to the extremely low prosecution rates for rape, and the enormous legal resources that alleged perpetrator can bring to bear, the horrible things that they would say about her in court, the likely corroboration that the security personnel complicit in the crime would provide each other, and candidly advised her that the chances of success are low, whereas some form of (yes, unsatisfactory) requital might be possible taking a financial settlement route.
3. I don't think any of us are in a position to draw definitive conclusions about the veracity of the claim based on the small amount of information in the public realm, and therefore calling what you have put forward "research" and disparaging doubts cast as "lack of research" is a bit of a stretch.
4. *Claxon I'm not talking about you personally, I'm about to make a more general point* I really wonder how we can have a more productive way in our discourse of challenging each other without inducing defensive reactions. The accusation of self-righteousness happens all the time when people suggest there is an element of racism or misogyny (e.g.) in some idea. Most people don't think of themselves as racists or misogynists or whatever, so this provokes anger, and prompts accusations of pompousness or obsessive "wokeness" or whatever. But most of these pernicious things exist as tropes and stereotypes that initially most people aren't conscious of. I was brought up with egalitarian ideas, but over the course of my adult years, I've realised that my brain was uncritically carrying around lots of racist/sexist/homophobic tropes that are embedded in our culture and language. I'm sure there are plenty floating around in there that I haven't become aware of yet. It's uncomfortable to recognise them, but also a relief to expose them to the light. How can we handle this better without eliciting the aggressive-defensive "I'm not a bigot, so you must be a self-righteous extremist" reflex?
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Rock Steady (U9953)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 14 minutes ago
Everyone should just block this Pierre fella.
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Why? Just because you don't like what he's written, everyone else should block him?
Why don't you just block him and move on?
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Because he is clealry a wind up, and derails threads.
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Good one.
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comment by Baz tard (U19119)
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comment by Irishred (U2539)
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McGregor is a grade A tw at Easily the worst person to ever come out of this country
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Irish
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Mick Hucknell?
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He's not even irsh is
im having a mare
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McGregor is the worst with his little band of 16-24 years old young lads who think they’re hard men
It’s actually quite amusing
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 28 minutes ago
Met him in vegas, guys a weapon.
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He really is
You, RR, and Rosso, both took issue with the fact that I claimed that the alleged victim had sought pecuniary reimbursement in lieu of prosecution.
Rosso had stated that he was sceptical of that, because she had filed a police report, and to do so would be - in his mind - “very strange”.
He also then included a statement - shockingly without irony - from Tarantino that (rather ironically) warned against making definitive statements, referring to my claim about the victim pursuing fiscal settlement.
You, RR, then piggy-backed off of that comment to make a broader condemnation about men jumping to the “gold digger” conclusion at the first instance of an accusation of rape.
As has been unequivocally evidenced, the victim - via her attorney - has indeed sought fiscal settlement in lieu of persecution.
How did I know this? Because I did some basic research prior to opining and drew my conclusions from the facts presented to me, as opposed to my own assumptions, biases, and heuristics.
I am not unequivocally stating that McGregor hasn’t committed rape - in fact, I’ve stated that given the character of the man since his rise to super-stardom, it wouldn’t surprise me - but I am stating that the facts of this particular accusation as they have been presented certainly raise more than a couple of ambiguities, which are severely exacerbated by the fact that it has come to fruition that the victim is indeed seeking fiscal reimbursement.
That doesn’t mean I’m victim blaming, toxically masculine, misogynist, watch & like Andrew Tate, a bigot, or [insert other denigrating language], it is as simple as it ostensibly seems: I’ve read up on the case and the facts as they are currently presented have a material air of non-credibility surrounding them, the most profound of which is this pursuit of pecuniary settlement in lieu of prosecution.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernançalvemiro triumvirate (U17054)
posted 46 minutes ago
“Finally, she claims she doesn’t want to press charges, but does want an out-of-court settlement.”
A report was filed with Miami police the morning after the alleged assault and is being investigated by their Special Victims Unit.
Submitting a police report immediately after the event would be a very strange thing to do if she didn’t want to press charges.
The alleged victim’s lawyer has also said that they have obtained video footage of at least part of the alleged incident.
People might be wise to remind themselves of Tarantino’s words before commenting on this matter:
The less a man makes declarative statements, the less apt he is to look foolish in retrospect.
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Always disheartening how many men reflexively embrace the "gold digger" trope when a woman says she has been raped.
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This.
Especially Rooney hernandez being an expert on women's instincts during a rape
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
McGregor is a grade A tw at Easily the worst person to ever come out of this country
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Agreed, I was a fan in his early days as I suspected it was all a persona but he's showed his true colours since.
This accusation seems a little farfetched though.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 hour, 41 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernançalvemiro triumvirate (U17054)
posted 46 minutes ago
“Finally, she claims she doesn’t want to press charges, but does want an out-of-court settlement.”
A report was filed with Miami police the morning after the alleged assault and is being investigated by their Special Victims Unit.
Submitting a police report immediately after the event would be a very strange thing to do if she didn’t want to press charges.
The alleged victim’s lawyer has also said that they have obtained video footage of at least part of the alleged incident.
People might be wise to remind themselves of Tarantino’s words before commenting on this matter:
The less a man makes declarative statements, the less apt he is to look foolish in retrospect.
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Always disheartening how many men reflexively embrace the "gold digger" trope when a woman says she has been raped.
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RR - I don’t think it’s that hard to understand where Rooney Hernandez is coming from. You might not have meant it to come across the way but Rosso was quoting him directly, Rosso then went on to make opposing points to his and then you’ve replied to Rosso saying that it’s disheartening that so many men cry ‘gold digger’.
Surely you can see how this led to ‘righteous’ and so on and so on?
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comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
McGregor is a grade A tw at Easily the worst person to ever come out of this country
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Agreed, I was a fan in his early days as I suspected it was all a persona but he's showed his true colours since.
This accusation seems a little farfetched though.
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Yeah maybe the persona has become the person?
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comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
McGregor is a grade A tw at Easily the worst person to ever come out of this country
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Agreed, I was a fan in his early days as I suspected it was all a persona but he's showed his true colours since.
This accusation seems a little farfetched though.
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He’s a dirtbag. Always was always will be
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posted on 16/6/23
Make of that what you will….
posted on 16/6/23
She clearly wants to be with him so why don't we just leave them alone. It is none of our business
posted on 16/6/23
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by rooney_hernandez (U7012)
posted 4 minutes ago
“ Although the woman reported the alleged sexual assault to local authorities, she apparently does not want to press charges, with Mitchell writing in her letters that the woman is only seeking settlements with McGregor, the NBA and Heat. TMZ reported that the Miami Police Department said it has conducted an investigation since Sunday, which remains ongoing.”
The Mitchell referred to is the accuser’s attorney.
Always disheartening how many men seek to levy judgement upon others to appear righteous without doing the most basic level of background research possible.
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I wasn't referring to the question of whether she was pressing charges when I made my broader point; Rosso didn't make that statement which you're referencing when he noted she made a police report. So it's not quite clear what you're trying to refute here.
But more generally, with every high profile rape allegation case you get a swathe of dudes arguing that the woman wasn't raped and is motivated by money. That's just a fact. It's also a fact that women do get raped, and so in at least some of the cases where men are instinctively siding with the accused, they are siding with a rapist. It doesn't make me righteous disliking that state of affairs. It's not that I'm a morally fine human being. I have many flaws, and have done plenty of selfish things that I shouldn't be proud of. So no, it's not about me being righteous. It's about some people being woman-hating cиnts.
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You’ve responded directly to a comment which responds directly to my own comment, so the implication is very clear in that respect.
We’re not talking about rape accusations in general or the makeup of your - or indeed others’ - morale fibre; we’re talking about the case at hand.
Based on the points I’ve made in my original post, the fact pattern and information being provided here seems far from credible and certainly points to the fact that pecuniary motives will be accepted in lieu of persecution, which has been directly stated by her attorney.
My point was that this fact - the pursuit of fiscal reimbursement in lieu of persecution - is incongruent with the typical desires of a victim of rape and is among other things incredibly contrarian to the wellbeing of rape victims globally.
I’m not jumping on a bandwagon and screaming “gold digger” at the first accusation of rape; I’ve read the facts of the case that are publicly available at this moment in time and recognised that hey attorney has literally stated that the victim will accept cash in lieu of persecution. I would suggest you observe some specificity when approaching specific questions and conversations.
posted on 16/6/23
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
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McGregor is a grade A tw at Easily the worst person to ever come out of this country
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Mick Hucknell?
posted on 16/6/23
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posted on 16/6/23
comment by rooney_hernandez (U7012)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernançalvemiro triumvirate (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
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posted 7 minutes ago
Ahh the good old jump to conlusions and sentence without one iota of proof.
I think, and this is as controversion a take as they come, that someone as handsome (haha gay statement but simply a fact) and rich and famous and lets face it smart, as McGregor is not going to rape someone when he could get most women
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Handsome, rich and famous men never commit rape? Seriously?
Holy fack, this facking place gets worse every day
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Any chance you’ve done any sort of research whatsoever and are ready to retract your previous comments?
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Highly unlikely
posted on 16/6/23
comment by rooney_hernandez (U7012)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernançalvemiro triumvirate (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
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posted 7 minutes ago
Ahh the good old jump to conlusions and sentence without one iota of proof.
I think, and this is as controversion a take as they come, that someone as handsome (haha gay statement but simply a fact) and rich and famous and lets face it smart, as McGregor is not going to rape someone when he could get most women
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Handsome, rich and famous men never commit rape? Seriously?
Holy fack, this facking place gets worse every day
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Any chance you’ve done any sort of research whatsoever and are ready to retract your previous comments?
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Which specific comment would you like me to retract?
posted on 16/6/23
Rosso, that would be this one:
report was filed with Miami police the morning after the alleged assault and is being investigated by their Special Victims Unit.
Submitting a police report immediately after the event would be a very strange thing to do if she didn’t want to press charges.
The alleged victim’s lawyer has also said that they have obtained video footage of at least part of the alleged incident.
People might be wise to remind themselves of Tarantino’s words before commenting on this matter:
The less a man makes declarative statements, the less apt he is to look foolish in retrospect.
posted on 16/6/23
Met him in vegas, guys a weapon.
posted on 16/6/23
comment by rooney_hernandez (U7012)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by rooney_hernandez (U7012)
posted 4 minutes ago
“ Although the woman reported the alleged sexual assault to local authorities, she apparently does not want to press charges, with Mitchell writing in her letters that the woman is only seeking settlements with McGregor, the NBA and Heat. TMZ reported that the Miami Police Department said it has conducted an investigation since Sunday, which remains ongoing.”
The Mitchell referred to is the accuser’s attorney.
Always disheartening how many men seek to levy judgement upon others to appear righteous without doing the most basic level of background research possible.
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I wasn't referring to the question of whether she was pressing charges when I made my broader point; Rosso didn't make that statement which you're referencing when he noted she made a police report. So it's not quite clear what you're trying to refute here.
But more generally, with every high profile rape allegation case you get a swathe of dudes arguing that the woman wasn't raped and is motivated by money. That's just a fact. It's also a fact that women do get raped, and so in at least some of the cases where men are instinctively siding with the accused, they are siding with a rapist. It doesn't make me righteous disliking that state of affairs. It's not that I'm a morally fine human being. I have many flaws, and have done plenty of selfish things that I shouldn't be proud of. So no, it's not about me being righteous. It's about some people being woman-hating cиnts.
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You’ve responded directly to a comment which responds directly to my own comment, so the implication is very clear in that respect.
We’re not talking about rape accusations in general or the makeup of your - or indeed others’ - morale fibre; we’re talking about the case at hand.
Based on the points I’ve made in my original post, the fact pattern and information being provided here seems far from credible and certainly points to the fact that pecuniary motives will be accepted in lieu of persecution, which has been directly stated by her attorney.
My point was that this fact - the pursuit of fiscal reimbursement in lieu of persecution - is incongruent with the typical desires of a victim of rape and is among other things incredibly contrarian to the wellbeing of rape victims globally.
I’m not jumping on a bandwagon and screaming “gold digger” at the first accusation of rape; I’ve read the facts of the case that are publicly available at this moment in time and recognised that hey attorney has literally stated that the victim will accept cash in lieu of persecution. I would suggest you observe some specificity when approaching specific questions and conversations.
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“My point was that this fact - the pursuit of fiscal reimbursement in lieu of persecution - is incongruent with the typical desires of a victim of rape…”
No, it isn’t. Not after good legal advice anyway.
There is a much higher burden of proof in criminal versus civil cases, the majority of raapists walk free in criminal trials, the restitution is better in civil cases (in the US at least), civil claims can also be brought against parties who failed to undertake reasonable actions to prevent sexual assault (which in this case might include the likes of the NBA, the NBA team, and the private security contractors), civil claimants have more control over proceedings than criminal plaintiffs, and multiple parties can be sued at once under the same case.
posted on 16/6/23
comment by rooney_hernandez (U7012)
posted 8 minutes ago
Rosso, that would be this one:
report was filed with Miami police the morning after the alleged assault and is being investigated by their Special Victims Unit.
Submitting a police report immediately after the event would be a very strange thing to do if she didn’t want to press charges.
The alleged victim’s lawyer has also said that they have obtained video footage of at least part of the alleged incident.
People might be wise to remind themselves of Tarantino’s words before commenting on this matter:
The less a man makes declarative statements, the less apt he is to look foolish in retrospect.
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Nope; nothing there I’d like to reconsider, thanks.
posted on 16/6/23
Mascots and women (with the help of security guards) about his limit now……..
posted on 16/6/23
Might have been a seeex game.
McGregor is an absolute piece of shiiiiit.
posted on 16/6/23
comment by Rock Steady (U9953)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 14 minutes ago
Everyone should just block this Pierre fella.
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Why? Just because you don't like what he's written, everyone else should block him?
Why don't you just block him and move on?
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Because he is clealry a wind up, and derails threads.
posted on 16/6/23
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Rock Steady (U9953)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 14 minutes ago
Everyone should just block this Pierre fella.
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Why? Just because you don't like what he's written, everyone else should block him?
Why don't you just block him and move on?
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Because he is clealry a wind up, and derails threads.
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Oh irony.
posted on 16/6/23
comment by rooney_hernandez (U7012)
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While I was replying to Rosso's comment, my remark was not referring to your response to this story in particular, let alone to that individual point within his post about filing a police report. I phrased my remark in very general terms, which accurately reflected the general point I wanted to make. Sometimes when we reply to comments, we zoom out to make wider observations: your inference was wrong.
But I would indeed take issue with what you in particular have said so far.
1. I don't think we can draw conclusions about the veracity of her claims based on whether she is "looking to file charges". First of all, if a serious crime is found to have take place, the police do not need the individual to ask or permit them to charge the perpetrator. That is not for the legal representatives of the victim to decide.
2. I don't think it's our place to morally police the actions of an alleged rape victim. I imagine someone who has undergone a trauma of that sort has a great deal going through their head. Possibly a terror of reliving the episode. Possibly her legal advisors are pointing to the extremely low prosecution rates for rape, and the enormous legal resources that alleged perpetrator can bring to bear, the horrible things that they would say about her in court, the likely corroboration that the security personnel complicit in the crime would provide each other, and candidly advised her that the chances of success are low, whereas some form of (yes, unsatisfactory) requital might be possible taking a financial settlement route.
3. I don't think any of us are in a position to draw definitive conclusions about the veracity of the claim based on the small amount of information in the public realm, and therefore calling what you have put forward "research" and disparaging doubts cast as "lack of research" is a bit of a stretch.
4. *Claxon I'm not talking about you personally, I'm about to make a more general point* I really wonder how we can have a more productive way in our discourse of challenging each other without inducing defensive reactions. The accusation of self-righteousness happens all the time when people suggest there is an element of racism or misogyny (e.g.) in some idea. Most people don't think of themselves as racists or misogynists or whatever, so this provokes anger, and prompts accusations of pompousness or obsessive "wokeness" or whatever. But most of these pernicious things exist as tropes and stereotypes that initially most people aren't conscious of. I was brought up with egalitarian ideas, but over the course of my adult years, I've realised that my brain was uncritically carrying around lots of racist/sexist/homophobic tropes that are embedded in our culture and language. I'm sure there are plenty floating around in there that I haven't become aware of yet. It's uncomfortable to recognise them, but also a relief to expose them to the light. How can we handle this better without eliciting the aggressive-defensive "I'm not a bigot, so you must be a self-righteous extremist" reflex?
posted on 16/6/23
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
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comment by Rock Steady (U9953)
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comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 14 minutes ago
Everyone should just block this Pierre fella.
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Why? Just because you don't like what he's written, everyone else should block him?
Why don't you just block him and move on?
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Because he is clealry a wind up, and derails threads.
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Good one.
posted on 16/6/23
comment by KLS - Mick Lynch for prime minister (U1695)
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comment by KLS - Mick Lynch for prime minister (U1695)
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comment by Baz tard (U19119)
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comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 2 minutes ago
McGregor is a grade A tw at Easily the worst person to ever come out of this country
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Irish
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Mick Hucknell?
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He's not even irsh is
im having a mare
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McGregor is the worst with his little band of 16-24 years old young lads who think they’re hard men
It’s actually quite amusing
posted on 16/6/23
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 28 minutes ago
Met him in vegas, guys a weapon.
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He really is
posted on 16/6/23
You, RR, and Rosso, both took issue with the fact that I claimed that the alleged victim had sought pecuniary reimbursement in lieu of prosecution.
Rosso had stated that he was sceptical of that, because she had filed a police report, and to do so would be - in his mind - “very strange”.
He also then included a statement - shockingly without irony - from Tarantino that (rather ironically) warned against making definitive statements, referring to my claim about the victim pursuing fiscal settlement.
You, RR, then piggy-backed off of that comment to make a broader condemnation about men jumping to the “gold digger” conclusion at the first instance of an accusation of rape.
As has been unequivocally evidenced, the victim - via her attorney - has indeed sought fiscal settlement in lieu of persecution.
How did I know this? Because I did some basic research prior to opining and drew my conclusions from the facts presented to me, as opposed to my own assumptions, biases, and heuristics.
I am not unequivocally stating that McGregor hasn’t committed rape - in fact, I’ve stated that given the character of the man since his rise to super-stardom, it wouldn’t surprise me - but I am stating that the facts of this particular accusation as they have been presented certainly raise more than a couple of ambiguities, which are severely exacerbated by the fact that it has come to fruition that the victim is indeed seeking fiscal reimbursement.
That doesn’t mean I’m victim blaming, toxically masculine, misogynist, watch & like Andrew Tate, a bigot, or [insert other denigrating language], it is as simple as it ostensibly seems: I’ve read up on the case and the facts as they are currently presented have a material air of non-credibility surrounding them, the most profound of which is this pursuit of pecuniary settlement in lieu of prosecution.
posted on 16/6/23
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernançalvemiro triumvirate (U17054)
posted 46 minutes ago
“Finally, she claims she doesn’t want to press charges, but does want an out-of-court settlement.”
A report was filed with Miami police the morning after the alleged assault and is being investigated by their Special Victims Unit.
Submitting a police report immediately after the event would be a very strange thing to do if she didn’t want to press charges.
The alleged victim’s lawyer has also said that they have obtained video footage of at least part of the alleged incident.
People might be wise to remind themselves of Tarantino’s words before commenting on this matter:
The less a man makes declarative statements, the less apt he is to look foolish in retrospect.
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Always disheartening how many men reflexively embrace the "gold digger" trope when a woman says she has been raped.
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This.
Especially Rooney hernandez being an expert on women's instincts during a rape
posted on 16/6/23
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
McGregor is a grade A tw at Easily the worst person to ever come out of this country
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Agreed, I was a fan in his early days as I suspected it was all a persona but he's showed his true colours since.
This accusation seems a little farfetched though.
posted on 16/6/23
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 hour, 41 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernançalvemiro triumvirate (U17054)
posted 46 minutes ago
“Finally, she claims she doesn’t want to press charges, but does want an out-of-court settlement.”
A report was filed with Miami police the morning after the alleged assault and is being investigated by their Special Victims Unit.
Submitting a police report immediately after the event would be a very strange thing to do if she didn’t want to press charges.
The alleged victim’s lawyer has also said that they have obtained video footage of at least part of the alleged incident.
People might be wise to remind themselves of Tarantino’s words before commenting on this matter:
The less a man makes declarative statements, the less apt he is to look foolish in retrospect.
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Always disheartening how many men reflexively embrace the "gold digger" trope when a woman says she has been raped.
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RR - I don’t think it’s that hard to understand where Rooney Hernandez is coming from. You might not have meant it to come across the way but Rosso was quoting him directly, Rosso then went on to make opposing points to his and then you’ve replied to Rosso saying that it’s disheartening that so many men cry ‘gold digger’.
Surely you can see how this led to ‘righteous’ and so on and so on?
posted on 16/6/23
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
McGregor is a grade A tw at Easily the worst person to ever come out of this country
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Agreed, I was a fan in his early days as I suspected it was all a persona but he's showed his true colours since.
This accusation seems a little farfetched though.
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Yeah maybe the persona has become the person?
posted on 16/6/23
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
McGregor is a grade A tw at Easily the worst person to ever come out of this country
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Agreed, I was a fan in his early days as I suspected it was all a persona but he's showed his true colours since.
This accusation seems a little farfetched though.
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He’s a dirtbag. Always was always will be
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