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I think if Hamas came out from their tunnels and went toe to toe with the IDF, without the risk of civilians being caught in the crossfire, their cause might receive more sympathy.
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You mean beacuse if it WAS like a cage fight with no where to hide Hamas would all be killed pretty quickly?
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That ALMOST sounded like you support their tactic of hiding within heavily populated areas
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LOL you are crackers.
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Hardly. It’s you who thinks they wouldn’t get more sympathy if they removed civilians from the line of fire.
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Why do people with little understanding of this conflict bother to comment?
And we don't want sympathy for Hamas. We want sympathy for Palestinians. Please read up on this before commenting again.
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Why are you talking about Palestinians? This conversation is about Hamas actions / tactics?
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Hamas actions/tactics is closely and intricately related with Palestinians that you can't purport to talk about Hamas and then stop participants in the conversation from mentioning the Palestinians.
Tory logic right there.
You said there'd be sympathy for Hamas if they went toe to toe with Israel instead of hiding behind civilians. I was pointing out that nobody wants sympathy for Hamas. People want sympathy for innocent Palestinians so whatever your point was is utterly irrelevant.
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comment by Rwanda forever (U22987)
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I think if Hamas came out from their tunnels and went toe to toe with the IDF, without the risk of civilians being caught in the crossfire, their cause might receive more sympathy.
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You mean beacuse if it WAS like a cage fight with no where to hide Hamas would all be killed pretty quickly?
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That ALMOST sounded like you support their tactic of hiding within heavily populated areas
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Gaza is by default “heavily populated”. There’s nowhere to really go in Gaza.
Do you want Hamas to line themselves up on the beach or something?
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Again, i didn’t say they should. Just that if they DID! They might get more support / sympathy than they currently do.
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What would they do with that sympathy when they’re all dead?
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Israel eliminates Hamas and continues it's 75 year old oppression of innocent Palestinians and their children unopposed.
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Why would the elimination of Hamas bother you?
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Is that what I said?
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comment by Rwanda forever (U22987)
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I think if Hamas came out from their tunnels and went toe to toe with the IDF, without the risk of civilians being caught in the crossfire, their cause might receive more sympathy.
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You mean beacuse if it WAS like a cage fight with no where to hide Hamas would all be killed pretty quickly?
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That ALMOST sounded like you support their tactic of hiding within heavily populated areas
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LOL you are crackers.
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Hardly. It’s you who thinks they wouldn’t get more sympathy if they removed civilians from the line of fire.
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No. I think they would all die very quickly against the might and will of the IDF if they actually agreed to such a contest.
And stop telling me what I think.
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Remember, you are talking about a terrorist group here.
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Im talking about the outcome of a daft, projected scenario that two completely unmatched military forces would ever agree to stage a battle on a level playing field as you suggest. Maybe they should just decide it on a game of Top Trumps.
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So you think they should continue to hide behind civilians?
Elimination of Hamas definitely bothers me anyway, because it comes at the cost of thousands of innocent lives and unimaginable human suffering.
Already an estimated 500 children murdered and 2000 dead in total. I wonder what the figures will be in a few weeks. And they still won't eliminate Hamas so they're killing these thousands of innocent people for nothing.
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Rwanda forever (U22987)
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I think if Hamas came out from their tunnels and went toe to toe with the IDF, without the risk of civilians being caught in the crossfire, their cause might receive more sympathy.
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You mean beacuse if it WAS like a cage fight with no where to hide Hamas would all be killed pretty quickly?
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That ALMOST sounded like you support their tactic of hiding within heavily populated areas
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LOL you are crackers.
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Hardly. It’s you who thinks they wouldn’t get more sympathy if they removed civilians from the line of fire.
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Why do people with little understanding of this conflict bother to comment?
And we don't want sympathy for Hamas. We want sympathy for Palestinians. Please read up on this before commenting again.
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Why are you talking about Palestinians? This conversation is about Hamas actions / tactics?
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Hamas actions/tactics is closely and intricately related with Palestinians that you can't purport to talk about Hamas and then stop participants in the conversation from mentioning the Palestinians.
Tory logic right there.
You said there'd be sympathy for Hamas if they went toe to toe with Israel instead of hiding behind civilians. I was pointing out that nobody wants sympathy for Hamas. People want sympathy for innocent Palestinians so whatever your point was is utterly irrelevant.
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So we should separate our feelings towards Palestinians and Hamas or not?
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 36 seconds ago
Elimination of Hamas definitely bothers me anyway, because it comes at the cost of thousands of innocent lives and unimaginable human suffering.
Already an estimated 500 children murdered and 2000 dead in total. I wonder what the figures will be in a few weeks. And they still won't eliminate Hamas so they're killing these thousands of innocent people for nothing.
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Not if they separated themselves from civilians.
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Rwanda forever (U22987)
posted 3 minutes ago
I think if Hamas came out from their tunnels and went toe to toe with the IDF, without the risk of civilians being caught in the crossfire, their cause might receive more sympathy.
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You mean beacuse if it WAS like a cage fight with no where to hide Hamas would all be killed pretty quickly?
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That ALMOST sounded like you support their tactic of hiding within heavily populated areas
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Gaza is by default “heavily populated”. There’s nowhere to really go in Gaza.
Do you want Hamas to line themselves up on the beach or something?
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Again, i didn’t say they should. Just that if they DID! They might get more support / sympathy than they currently do.
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What would they do with that sympathy when they’re all dead?
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Israel eliminates Hamas and continues it's 75 year old oppression of innocent Palestinians and their children unopposed.
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Why would the elimination of Hamas bother you?
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Is that what I said?
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You have literally said this a few comments later
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comment by Rwanda forever (U22987)
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I think if Hamas came out from their tunnels and went toe to toe with the IDF, without the risk of civilians being caught in the crossfire, their cause might receive more sympathy.
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You mean beacuse if it WAS like a cage fight with no where to hide Hamas would all be killed pretty quickly?
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That ALMOST sounded like you support their tactic of hiding within heavily populated areas
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LOL you are crackers.
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Hardly. It’s you who thinks they wouldn’t get more sympathy if they removed civilians from the line of fire.
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Why do people with little understanding of this conflict bother to comment?
And we don't want sympathy for Hamas. We want sympathy for Palestinians. Please read up on this before commenting again.
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Why are you talking about Palestinians? This conversation is about Hamas actions / tactics?
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Hamas actions/tactics is closely and intricately related with Palestinians that you can't purport to talk about Hamas and then stop participants in the conversation from mentioning the Palestinians.
Tory logic right there.
You said there'd be sympathy for Hamas if they went toe to toe with Israel instead of hiding behind civilians. I was pointing out that nobody wants sympathy for Hamas. People want sympathy for innocent Palestinians so whatever your point was is utterly irrelevant.
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So we should separate our feelings towards Palestinians and Hamas or not?
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It's not my job to spoon-feed you. You should refrain from commenting until you have a reasonable level of knowledgeable on the topic. For example, you might be shocked to learn that this didn't start last weekend, it has been going or decades and even centuries. Perhaps factor that fact into your opinions before mouthing off.
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comment by Rwanda forever (U22987)
posted 3 minutes ago
I think if Hamas came out from their tunnels and went toe to toe with the IDF, without the risk of civilians being caught in the crossfire, their cause might receive more sympathy.
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You mean beacuse if it WAS like a cage fight with no where to hide Hamas would all be killed pretty quickly?
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That ALMOST sounded like you support their tactic of hiding within heavily populated areas
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Gaza is by default “heavily populated”. There’s nowhere to really go in Gaza.
Do you want Hamas to line themselves up on the beach or something?
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Again, i didn’t say they should. Just that if they DID! They might get more support / sympathy than they currently do.
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What would they do with that sympathy when they’re all dead?
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Israel eliminates Hamas and continues it's 75 year old oppression of innocent Palestinians and their children unopposed.
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Why would the elimination of Hamas bother you?
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Is that what I said?
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You have literally said this a few comments later
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Yes, but I hadn't said it, that's the point.
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posted 4 minutes ago
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comment by Rwanda forever (U22987)
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I think if Hamas came out from their tunnels and went toe to toe with the IDF, without the risk of civilians being caught in the crossfire, their cause might receive more sympathy.
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You mean beacuse if it WAS like a cage fight with no where to hide Hamas would all be killed pretty quickly?
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That ALMOST sounded like you support their tactic of hiding within heavily populated areas
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Gaza is by default “heavily populated”. There’s nowhere to really go in Gaza.
Do you want Hamas to line themselves up on the beach or something?
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Again, i didn’t say they should. Just that if they DID! They might get more support / sympathy than they currently do.
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What would they do with that sympathy when they’re all dead?
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Israel eliminates Hamas and continues it's 75 year old oppression of innocent Palestinians and their children unopposed.
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Why would the elimination of Hamas bother you?
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Is that what I said?
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You have literally said this a few comments later
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Yes, but I hadn't said it, that's the point.
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You were clearly projecting that was your opinion.
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comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 36 seconds ago
Elimination of Hamas definitely bothers me anyway, because it comes at the cost of thousands of innocent lives and unimaginable human suffering.
Already an estimated 500 children murdered and 2000 dead in total. I wonder what the figures will be in a few weeks. And they still won't eliminate Hamas so they're killing these thousands of innocent people for nothing.
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Not if they separated themselves from civilians.
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Palestinian civilians were still killed en masse by Israel in the decades before Hamas came into existence so no, I don't think that would stop Israeli from finding other reasons to kill innocent Palestinians.
As I said, educate yourself then come back.
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posted 4 minutes ago
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Rwanda forever (U22987)
posted 3 minutes ago
I think if Hamas came out from their tunnels and went toe to toe with the IDF, without the risk of civilians being caught in the crossfire, their cause might receive more sympathy.
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You mean beacuse if it WAS like a cage fight with no where to hide Hamas would all be killed pretty quickly?
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That ALMOST sounded like you support their tactic of hiding within heavily populated areas
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Gaza is by default “heavily populated”. There’s nowhere to really go in Gaza.
Do you want Hamas to line themselves up on the beach or something?
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Again, i didn’t say they should. Just that if they DID! They might get more support / sympathy than they currently do.
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What would they do with that sympathy when they’re all dead?
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Israel eliminates Hamas and continues it's 75 year old oppression of innocent Palestinians and their children unopposed.
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Why would the elimination of Hamas bother you?
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Is that what I said?
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You have literally said this a few comments later
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Yes, but I hadn't said it, that's the point.
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You were clearly projecting that was your opinion.
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You asked a question whether I'm bothered by elimination of Hamas. I answered it. Move on unless you're not satisfied with the answer, in which case you should explain what you don't understand about my answer.
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comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
Religion is clearly a massive part of the conflict.
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It is to an extent but what’s being done right now goes beyond religion. It’s about power (which I guess you could say that’s what religion really is).
But when you bring religion into it it’s far too easy to label someone an antisemite if you criticise the actions of Israel when it’s much more about a political party hiding behind religion to instigate a land grab on a mass scale.
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But the whole dispute of the land is founded in their religious doctrine. That doesn’t mean ‘religion bad, religion to blame’ but to secularise the dispute like so many in the West do, shows a lack of understanding of the dispute. The extreme Israeli government are Zionists. You cannot uncouple that from religion just to be seen to be a defender of religious freedoms.
I have no say in how these people fight their fight. You
For days no, we have been saying how it is possible to sympathise with civilian losses on both sides, without supporting the tactics of Hamas or Israel.
All I’m saying is that the Palestinian cause would no doubt receive greater support / sympathy, if Hamas were not attacking civilians, and inviting attacks on their own people in return.
I’m going to leave it here, because a few of you are getting dangerously close to sounding sympathetic towards Hamas.
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I think if Hamas came out from their tunnels and went toe to toe with the IDF, without the risk of civilians being caught in the crossfire, their cause might receive more sympathy.
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You mean beacuse if it WAS like a cage fight with no where to hide Hamas would all be killed pretty quickly?
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That ALMOST sounded like you support their tactic of hiding within heavily populated areas
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LOL you are crackers.
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Hardly. It’s you who thinks they wouldn’t get more sympathy if they removed civilians from the line of fire.
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No. I think they would all die very quickly against the might and will of the IDF if they actually agreed to such a contest.
And stop telling me what I think.
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Remember, you are talking about a terrorist group here.
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Im talking about the outcome of a daft, projected scenario that two completely unmatched military forces would ever agree to stage a battle on a level playing field as you suggest. Maybe they should just decide it on a game of Top Trumps.
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So you think they should continue to hide behind civilians?
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FFs. NO I am saying that Hamas will chose to continue to 'hide behind civilians' as you call it. It's all they can do in Gaza and the West Bank to exist.
Do you even know what the IDF is? It transcends all the considerable military power that Israel has at its disposal, (which right now would easily erradicate Hamas if they agreed to line themselves up against it like a Napoleonic battle field scenario) as the USA keeps reminding Israel that hey dont actually need to defend themselves as the USA (and its allies) will defend the State of Israel for them.
All I’m saying is that the Palestinian cause would no doubt receive greater support / sympathy, if Hamas were not attacking civilians, and inviting attacks on their own people in return.
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So now it's the Palestinian cause, not Hamas as you initially said? Hamas hasn't always existed and things were not much different when they didn't exist. Trying to blame this whole situation in that part of the world on Hamas because you can't bring yourself to blame Israel. Pathetic.
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robb - Give Peace a Chance (U22716)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
Religion is clearly a massive part of the conflict.
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It is to an extent but what’s being done right now goes beyond religion. It’s about power (which I guess you could say that’s what religion really is).
But when you bring religion into it it’s far too easy to label someone an antisemite if you criticise the actions of Israel when it’s much more about a political party hiding behind religion to instigate a land grab on a mass scale.
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But the whole dispute of the land is founded in their religious doctrine. That doesn’t mean ‘religion bad, religion to blame’ but to secularise the dispute like so many in the West do, shows a lack of understanding of the dispute. The extreme Israeli government are Zionists. You cannot uncouple that from religion just to be seen to be a defender of religious freedoms.
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My point is that you should be able to criticise Zionism without being called an antisemite as in reality while it has a clear basis in an extremist version of Judaism it’s just as much a political state of mind as it is a religious one.
Some people are fekin hard work on here.
I’m going to leave it here, because a few of you are getting dangerously close to sounding sympathetic towards Hamas.
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This sounds like you think you're doing us a favour. We beg you please don't.
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Some people are fekin hard work on here.
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Mainly RDD and his vast legion of alter egos
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posted 2 minutes ago
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posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
Religion is clearly a massive part of the conflict.
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It is to an extent but what’s being done right now goes beyond religion. It’s about power (which I guess you could say that’s what religion really is).
But when you bring religion into it it’s far too easy to label someone an antisemite if you criticise the actions of Israel when it’s much more about a political party hiding behind religion to instigate a land grab on a mass scale.
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But the whole dispute of the land is founded in their religious doctrine. That doesn’t mean ‘religion bad, religion to blame’ but to secularise the dispute like so many in the West do, shows a lack of understanding of the dispute. The extreme Israeli government are Zionists. You cannot uncouple that from religion just to be seen to be a defender of religious freedoms.
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My point is that you should be able to criticise Zionism without being called an antisemite as in reality while it has a clear basis in an extremist version of Judaism it’s just as much a political state of mind as it is a religious one.
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Yeah I do agree with that. Religion is a political state of mind, especially in countries that don’t actually separate church and state.
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comment by Robb - Give Peace a Chance (U22716)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
Religion is clearly a massive part of the conflict.
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It is to an extent but what’s being done right now goes beyond religion. It’s about power (which I guess you could say that’s what religion really is).
But when you bring religion into it it’s far too easy to label someone an antisemite if you criticise the actions of Israel when it’s much more about a political party hiding behind religion to instigate a land grab on a mass scale.
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But the whole dispute of the land is founded in their religious doctrine. That doesn’t mean ‘religion bad, religion to blame’ but to secularise the dispute like so many in the West do, shows a lack of understanding of the dispute. The extreme Israeli government are Zionists. You cannot uncouple that from religion just to be seen to be a defender of religious freedoms.
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My point is that you should be able to criticise Zionism without being called an antisemite as in reality while it has a clear basis in an extremist version of Judaism it’s just as much a political state of mind as it is a religious one.
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Yeah I do agree with that. Religion is a political state of mind, especially in countries that don’t actually separate church and state.
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And it’s the perfect cover for the Zionists to hide behind as no one can really criticise it without being called an antisemite by the usual suspects who aren’t brave enough to separate the two. The only ones who are ‘allowed’ to are moderate Jewish people who try their hardest but are attacked from all sides.
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comment by Silver (U6112)
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How do I know if I'm British?
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If you
Drink Tea.
Like football.
Happy to queue.
Love dogs
Have a sense of fair play
Eat Beans on Toast
Your are probably British.
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"Have a sense of fair play"
Lol
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Who drinks tea these days?
Builders, Old women and the aristocracy
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I see this thread is still going on.
The question was deliberate because the majority of Scots tell people they are Scottish and / or from Scotland. Majority want to distinguish themselves from England where people are way more likely to call themselves British and indeed think that the other nations are so unimportant the the two are more or less synonymous.
Fact is when we were in the EU we all had EU passports first and foremost. The EU allowed the UK to issue passports in their name so long as they were in the EU format.
I am Scottish and my country has agreed to share a monarch and has entered a political union but subsequently devolved back many political powers just as the UK did with the EU.
I don't much care who issues my travel document.
Now sure I am goading a little bit but many English people fail to understand the subtleties and feelings within their own union far less pontificate on the complex historical, political and / or religious conflict in a far away land.
https://www.understandingglasgow.com/indicators/mindset/national_identity/scottish_or_british#:~:text=Most%20people%20in%20Scotland%20think,be%20equally%20Scottish%20and%20British.
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2019/02/14/is-it-the-english-question-or-the-british-question-the-three-strands-of-britishness/
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I think if Hamas came out from their tunnels and went toe to toe with the IDF, without the risk of civilians being caught in the crossfire, their cause might receive more sympathy.
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You mean beacuse if it WAS like a cage fight with no where to hide Hamas would all be killed pretty quickly?
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That ALMOST sounded like you support their tactic of hiding within heavily populated areas
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LOL you are crackers.
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Hardly. It’s you who thinks they wouldn’t get more sympathy if they removed civilians from the line of fire.
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Why do people with little understanding of this conflict bother to comment?
And we don't want sympathy for Hamas. We want sympathy for Palestinians. Please read up on this before commenting again.
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Why are you talking about Palestinians? This conversation is about Hamas actions / tactics?
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Hamas actions/tactics is closely and intricately related with Palestinians that you can't purport to talk about Hamas and then stop participants in the conversation from mentioning the Palestinians.
Tory logic right there.
You said there'd be sympathy for Hamas if they went toe to toe with Israel instead of hiding behind civilians. I was pointing out that nobody wants sympathy for Hamas. People want sympathy for innocent Palestinians so whatever your point was is utterly irrelevant.
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comment by Rwanda forever (U22987)
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comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
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comment by Rwanda forever (U22987)
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I think if Hamas came out from their tunnels and went toe to toe with the IDF, without the risk of civilians being caught in the crossfire, their cause might receive more sympathy.
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You mean beacuse if it WAS like a cage fight with no where to hide Hamas would all be killed pretty quickly?
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That ALMOST sounded like you support their tactic of hiding within heavily populated areas
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Gaza is by default “heavily populated”. There’s nowhere to really go in Gaza.
Do you want Hamas to line themselves up on the beach or something?
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Again, i didn’t say they should. Just that if they DID! They might get more support / sympathy than they currently do.
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What would they do with that sympathy when they’re all dead?
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Israel eliminates Hamas and continues it's 75 year old oppression of innocent Palestinians and their children unopposed.
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Why would the elimination of Hamas bother you?
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Is that what I said?
posted on 14/10/23
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
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posted 15 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Rwanda forever (U22987)
posted 3 minutes ago
I think if Hamas came out from their tunnels and went toe to toe with the IDF, without the risk of civilians being caught in the crossfire, their cause might receive more sympathy.
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You mean beacuse if it WAS like a cage fight with no where to hide Hamas would all be killed pretty quickly?
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That ALMOST sounded like you support their tactic of hiding within heavily populated areas
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LOL you are crackers.
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Hardly. It’s you who thinks they wouldn’t get more sympathy if they removed civilians from the line of fire.
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No. I think they would all die very quickly against the might and will of the IDF if they actually agreed to such a contest.
And stop telling me what I think.
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Remember, you are talking about a terrorist group here.
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Im talking about the outcome of a daft, projected scenario that two completely unmatched military forces would ever agree to stage a battle on a level playing field as you suggest. Maybe they should just decide it on a game of Top Trumps.
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So you think they should continue to hide behind civilians?
posted on 14/10/23
Is this RDD?
posted on 14/10/23
Elimination of Hamas definitely bothers me anyway, because it comes at the cost of thousands of innocent lives and unimaginable human suffering.
Already an estimated 500 children murdered and 2000 dead in total. I wonder what the figures will be in a few weeks. And they still won't eliminate Hamas so they're killing these thousands of innocent people for nothing.
posted on 14/10/23
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Rwanda forever (U22987)
posted 39 seconds ago
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comment by Rwanda forever (U22987)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Rwanda forever (U22987)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Rwanda forever (U22987)
posted 3 minutes ago
I think if Hamas came out from their tunnels and went toe to toe with the IDF, without the risk of civilians being caught in the crossfire, their cause might receive more sympathy.
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You mean beacuse if it WAS like a cage fight with no where to hide Hamas would all be killed pretty quickly?
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That ALMOST sounded like you support their tactic of hiding within heavily populated areas
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LOL you are crackers.
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Hardly. It’s you who thinks they wouldn’t get more sympathy if they removed civilians from the line of fire.
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Why do people with little understanding of this conflict bother to comment?
And we don't want sympathy for Hamas. We want sympathy for Palestinians. Please read up on this before commenting again.
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Why are you talking about Palestinians? This conversation is about Hamas actions / tactics?
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Hamas actions/tactics is closely and intricately related with Palestinians that you can't purport to talk about Hamas and then stop participants in the conversation from mentioning the Palestinians.
Tory logic right there.
You said there'd be sympathy for Hamas if they went toe to toe with Israel instead of hiding behind civilians. I was pointing out that nobody wants sympathy for Hamas. People want sympathy for innocent Palestinians so whatever your point was is utterly irrelevant.
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So we should separate our feelings towards Palestinians and Hamas or not?
posted on 14/10/23
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 36 seconds ago
Elimination of Hamas definitely bothers me anyway, because it comes at the cost of thousands of innocent lives and unimaginable human suffering.
Already an estimated 500 children murdered and 2000 dead in total. I wonder what the figures will be in a few weeks. And they still won't eliminate Hamas so they're killing these thousands of innocent people for nothing.
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Not if they separated themselves from civilians.
posted on 14/10/23
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Rwanda forever (U22987)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Give Peace a Chance (U22716)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Rwanda forever (U22987)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Rwanda forever (U22987)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Rwanda forever (U22987)
posted 3 minutes ago
I think if Hamas came out from their tunnels and went toe to toe with the IDF, without the risk of civilians being caught in the crossfire, their cause might receive more sympathy.
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You mean beacuse if it WAS like a cage fight with no where to hide Hamas would all be killed pretty quickly?
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That ALMOST sounded like you support their tactic of hiding within heavily populated areas
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Gaza is by default “heavily populated”. There’s nowhere to really go in Gaza.
Do you want Hamas to line themselves up on the beach or something?
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Again, i didn’t say they should. Just that if they DID! They might get more support / sympathy than they currently do.
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What would they do with that sympathy when they’re all dead?
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Israel eliminates Hamas and continues it's 75 year old oppression of innocent Palestinians and their children unopposed.
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Why would the elimination of Hamas bother you?
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Is that what I said?
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You have literally said this a few comments later
posted on 14/10/23
comment by Rwanda forever (U22987)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Rwanda forever (U22987)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Rwanda forever (U22987)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Rwanda forever (U22987)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Rwanda forever (U22987)
posted 3 minutes ago
I think if Hamas came out from their tunnels and went toe to toe with the IDF, without the risk of civilians being caught in the crossfire, their cause might receive more sympathy.
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You mean beacuse if it WAS like a cage fight with no where to hide Hamas would all be killed pretty quickly?
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That ALMOST sounded like you support their tactic of hiding within heavily populated areas
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LOL you are crackers.
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Hardly. It’s you who thinks they wouldn’t get more sympathy if they removed civilians from the line of fire.
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Why do people with little understanding of this conflict bother to comment?
And we don't want sympathy for Hamas. We want sympathy for Palestinians. Please read up on this before commenting again.
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Why are you talking about Palestinians? This conversation is about Hamas actions / tactics?
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Hamas actions/tactics is closely and intricately related with Palestinians that you can't purport to talk about Hamas and then stop participants in the conversation from mentioning the Palestinians.
Tory logic right there.
You said there'd be sympathy for Hamas if they went toe to toe with Israel instead of hiding behind civilians. I was pointing out that nobody wants sympathy for Hamas. People want sympathy for innocent Palestinians so whatever your point was is utterly irrelevant.
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So we should separate our feelings towards Palestinians and Hamas or not?
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It's not my job to spoon-feed you. You should refrain from commenting until you have a reasonable level of knowledgeable on the topic. For example, you might be shocked to learn that this didn't start last weekend, it has been going or decades and even centuries. Perhaps factor that fact into your opinions before mouthing off.
posted on 14/10/23
comment by Rwanda forever (U22987)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Rwanda forever (U22987)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Give Peace a Chance (U22716)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Rwanda forever (U22987)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Rwanda forever (U22987)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Rwanda forever (U22987)
posted 3 minutes ago
I think if Hamas came out from their tunnels and went toe to toe with the IDF, without the risk of civilians being caught in the crossfire, their cause might receive more sympathy.
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You mean beacuse if it WAS like a cage fight with no where to hide Hamas would all be killed pretty quickly?
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That ALMOST sounded like you support their tactic of hiding within heavily populated areas
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Gaza is by default “heavily populated”. There’s nowhere to really go in Gaza.
Do you want Hamas to line themselves up on the beach or something?
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Again, i didn’t say they should. Just that if they DID! They might get more support / sympathy than they currently do.
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What would they do with that sympathy when they’re all dead?
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Israel eliminates Hamas and continues it's 75 year old oppression of innocent Palestinians and their children unopposed.
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Why would the elimination of Hamas bother you?
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Is that what I said?
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You have literally said this a few comments later
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Yes, but I hadn't said it, that's the point.
posted on 14/10/23
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by Rwanda forever (U22987)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Rwanda forever (U22987)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Give Peace a Chance (U22716)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Rwanda forever (U22987)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Rwanda forever (U22987)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Rwanda forever (U22987)
posted 3 minutes ago
I think if Hamas came out from their tunnels and went toe to toe with the IDF, without the risk of civilians being caught in the crossfire, their cause might receive more sympathy.
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You mean beacuse if it WAS like a cage fight with no where to hide Hamas would all be killed pretty quickly?
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That ALMOST sounded like you support their tactic of hiding within heavily populated areas
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Gaza is by default “heavily populated”. There’s nowhere to really go in Gaza.
Do you want Hamas to line themselves up on the beach or something?
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Again, i didn’t say they should. Just that if they DID! They might get more support / sympathy than they currently do.
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What would they do with that sympathy when they’re all dead?
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Israel eliminates Hamas and continues it's 75 year old oppression of innocent Palestinians and their children unopposed.
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Why would the elimination of Hamas bother you?
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Is that what I said?
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You have literally said this a few comments later
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Yes, but I hadn't said it, that's the point.
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You were clearly projecting that was your opinion.
posted on 14/10/23
comment by Rwanda forever (U22987)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 36 seconds ago
Elimination of Hamas definitely bothers me anyway, because it comes at the cost of thousands of innocent lives and unimaginable human suffering.
Already an estimated 500 children murdered and 2000 dead in total. I wonder what the figures will be in a few weeks. And they still won't eliminate Hamas so they're killing these thousands of innocent people for nothing.
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Not if they separated themselves from civilians.
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Palestinian civilians were still killed en masse by Israel in the decades before Hamas came into existence so no, I don't think that would stop Israeli from finding other reasons to kill innocent Palestinians.
As I said, educate yourself then come back.
posted on 14/10/23
comment by Rwanda forever (U22987)
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comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by Rwanda forever (U22987)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Rwanda forever (U22987)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Give Peace a Chance (U22716)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Rwanda forever (U22987)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Rwanda forever (U22987)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Rwanda forever (U22987)
posted 3 minutes ago
I think if Hamas came out from their tunnels and went toe to toe with the IDF, without the risk of civilians being caught in the crossfire, their cause might receive more sympathy.
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You mean beacuse if it WAS like a cage fight with no where to hide Hamas would all be killed pretty quickly?
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That ALMOST sounded like you support their tactic of hiding within heavily populated areas
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Gaza is by default “heavily populated”. There’s nowhere to really go in Gaza.
Do you want Hamas to line themselves up on the beach or something?
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Again, i didn’t say they should. Just that if they DID! They might get more support / sympathy than they currently do.
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What would they do with that sympathy when they’re all dead?
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Israel eliminates Hamas and continues it's 75 year old oppression of innocent Palestinians and their children unopposed.
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Why would the elimination of Hamas bother you?
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Is that what I said?
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You have literally said this a few comments later
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Yes, but I hadn't said it, that's the point.
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You were clearly projecting that was your opinion.
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You asked a question whether I'm bothered by elimination of Hamas. I answered it. Move on unless you're not satisfied with the answer, in which case you should explain what you don't understand about my answer.
posted on 14/10/23
comment by Robb - Give Peace a Chance (U22716)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
Religion is clearly a massive part of the conflict.
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It is to an extent but what’s being done right now goes beyond religion. It’s about power (which I guess you could say that’s what religion really is).
But when you bring religion into it it’s far too easy to label someone an antisemite if you criticise the actions of Israel when it’s much more about a political party hiding behind religion to instigate a land grab on a mass scale.
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But the whole dispute of the land is founded in their religious doctrine. That doesn’t mean ‘religion bad, religion to blame’ but to secularise the dispute like so many in the West do, shows a lack of understanding of the dispute. The extreme Israeli government are Zionists. You cannot uncouple that from religion just to be seen to be a defender of religious freedoms.
posted on 14/10/23
I have no say in how these people fight their fight. You
For days no, we have been saying how it is possible to sympathise with civilian losses on both sides, without supporting the tactics of Hamas or Israel.
All I’m saying is that the Palestinian cause would no doubt receive greater support / sympathy, if Hamas were not attacking civilians, and inviting attacks on their own people in return.
I’m going to leave it here, because a few of you are getting dangerously close to sounding sympathetic towards Hamas.
posted on 14/10/23
comment by Rwanda forever (U22987)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
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posted 8 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Rwanda forever (U22987)
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comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Rwanda forever (U22987)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Rwanda forever (U22987)
posted 3 minutes ago
I think if Hamas came out from their tunnels and went toe to toe with the IDF, without the risk of civilians being caught in the crossfire, their cause might receive more sympathy.
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You mean beacuse if it WAS like a cage fight with no where to hide Hamas would all be killed pretty quickly?
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That ALMOST sounded like you support their tactic of hiding within heavily populated areas
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LOL you are crackers.
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Hardly. It’s you who thinks they wouldn’t get more sympathy if they removed civilians from the line of fire.
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No. I think they would all die very quickly against the might and will of the IDF if they actually agreed to such a contest.
And stop telling me what I think.
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Remember, you are talking about a terrorist group here.
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Im talking about the outcome of a daft, projected scenario that two completely unmatched military forces would ever agree to stage a battle on a level playing field as you suggest. Maybe they should just decide it on a game of Top Trumps.
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So you think they should continue to hide behind civilians?
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FFs. NO I am saying that Hamas will chose to continue to 'hide behind civilians' as you call it. It's all they can do in Gaza and the West Bank to exist.
Do you even know what the IDF is? It transcends all the considerable military power that Israel has at its disposal, (which right now would easily erradicate Hamas if they agreed to line themselves up against it like a Napoleonic battle field scenario) as the USA keeps reminding Israel that hey dont actually need to defend themselves as the USA (and its allies) will defend the State of Israel for them.
posted on 14/10/23
All I’m saying is that the Palestinian cause would no doubt receive greater support / sympathy, if Hamas were not attacking civilians, and inviting attacks on their own people in return.
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So now it's the Palestinian cause, not Hamas as you initially said? Hamas hasn't always existed and things were not much different when they didn't exist. Trying to blame this whole situation in that part of the world on Hamas because you can't bring yourself to blame Israel. Pathetic.
posted on 14/10/23
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robb - Give Peace a Chance (U22716)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
Religion is clearly a massive part of the conflict.
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It is to an extent but what’s being done right now goes beyond religion. It’s about power (which I guess you could say that’s what religion really is).
But when you bring religion into it it’s far too easy to label someone an antisemite if you criticise the actions of Israel when it’s much more about a political party hiding behind religion to instigate a land grab on a mass scale.
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But the whole dispute of the land is founded in their religious doctrine. That doesn’t mean ‘religion bad, religion to blame’ but to secularise the dispute like so many in the West do, shows a lack of understanding of the dispute. The extreme Israeli government are Zionists. You cannot uncouple that from religion just to be seen to be a defender of religious freedoms.
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My point is that you should be able to criticise Zionism without being called an antisemite as in reality while it has a clear basis in an extremist version of Judaism it’s just as much a political state of mind as it is a religious one.
posted on 14/10/23
Some people are fekin hard work on here.
posted on 14/10/23
I’m going to leave it here, because a few of you are getting dangerously close to sounding sympathetic towards Hamas.
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This sounds like you think you're doing us a favour. We beg you please don't.
posted on 14/10/23
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 26 seconds ago
Some people are fekin hard work on here.
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Mainly RDD and his vast legion of alter egos
posted on 14/10/23
comment by Robb - Give Peace a Chance (U22716)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robb - Give Peace a Chance (U22716)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
Religion is clearly a massive part of the conflict.
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It is to an extent but what’s being done right now goes beyond religion. It’s about power (which I guess you could say that’s what religion really is).
But when you bring religion into it it’s far too easy to label someone an antisemite if you criticise the actions of Israel when it’s much more about a political party hiding behind religion to instigate a land grab on a mass scale.
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But the whole dispute of the land is founded in their religious doctrine. That doesn’t mean ‘religion bad, religion to blame’ but to secularise the dispute like so many in the West do, shows a lack of understanding of the dispute. The extreme Israeli government are Zionists. You cannot uncouple that from religion just to be seen to be a defender of religious freedoms.
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My point is that you should be able to criticise Zionism without being called an antisemite as in reality while it has a clear basis in an extremist version of Judaism it’s just as much a political state of mind as it is a religious one.
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Yeah I do agree with that. Religion is a political state of mind, especially in countries that don’t actually separate church and state.
posted on 14/10/23
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robb - Give Peace a Chance (U22716)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robb - Give Peace a Chance (U22716)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
Religion is clearly a massive part of the conflict.
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It is to an extent but what’s being done right now goes beyond religion. It’s about power (which I guess you could say that’s what religion really is).
But when you bring religion into it it’s far too easy to label someone an antisemite if you criticise the actions of Israel when it’s much more about a political party hiding behind religion to instigate a land grab on a mass scale.
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But the whole dispute of the land is founded in their religious doctrine. That doesn’t mean ‘religion bad, religion to blame’ but to secularise the dispute like so many in the West do, shows a lack of understanding of the dispute. The extreme Israeli government are Zionists. You cannot uncouple that from religion just to be seen to be a defender of religious freedoms.
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My point is that you should be able to criticise Zionism without being called an antisemite as in reality while it has a clear basis in an extremist version of Judaism it’s just as much a political state of mind as it is a religious one.
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Yeah I do agree with that. Religion is a political state of mind, especially in countries that don’t actually separate church and state.
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👍
And it’s the perfect cover for the Zionists to hide behind as no one can really criticise it without being called an antisemite by the usual suspects who aren’t brave enough to separate the two. The only ones who are ‘allowed’ to are moderate Jewish people who try their hardest but are attacked from all sides.
posted on 14/10/23
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by Malachi Boateng (U1734)
posted 19 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by Rwanda forever (U22987)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 15 minutes ago
How do I know if I'm British?
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If you
Drink Tea.
Like football.
Happy to queue.
Love dogs
Have a sense of fair play
Eat Beans on Toast
Your are probably British.
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"Have a sense of fair play"
Lol
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Who drinks tea these days?
Builders, Old women and the aristocracy
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I see this thread is still going on.
The question was deliberate because the majority of Scots tell people they are Scottish and / or from Scotland. Majority want to distinguish themselves from England where people are way more likely to call themselves British and indeed think that the other nations are so unimportant the the two are more or less synonymous.
Fact is when we were in the EU we all had EU passports first and foremost. The EU allowed the UK to issue passports in their name so long as they were in the EU format.
I am Scottish and my country has agreed to share a monarch and has entered a political union but subsequently devolved back many political powers just as the UK did with the EU.
I don't much care who issues my travel document.
Now sure I am goading a little bit but many English people fail to understand the subtleties and feelings within their own union far less pontificate on the complex historical, political and / or religious conflict in a far away land.
posted on 14/10/23
https://www.understandingglasgow.com/indicators/mindset/national_identity/scottish_or_british#:~:text=Most%20people%20in%20Scotland%20think,be%20equally%20Scottish%20and%20British.
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2019/02/14/is-it-the-english-question-or-the-british-question-the-three-strands-of-britishness/
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