comment by Silver (U6112)
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comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by Malachi Boateng (U1734)
posted 19 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by Rwanda forever (U22987)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 15 minutes ago
How do I know if I'm British?
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If you

Drink Tea.
Like football.
Happy to queue.
Love dogs
Have a sense of fair play
Eat Beans on Toast

Your are probably British.
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"Have a sense of fair play"

Lol
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Who drinks tea these days?
Builders, Old women and the aristocracy
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I see this thread is still going on.

The question was deliberate because the majority of Scots tell people they are Scottish and / or from Scotland. Majority want to distinguish themselves from England where people are way more likely to call themselves British and indeed think that the other nations are so unimportant the the two are more or less synonymous.

Fact is when we were in the EU we all had EU passports first and foremost. The EU allowed the UK to issue passports in their name so long as they were in the EU format.

I am Scottish and my country has agreed to share a monarch and has entered a political union but subsequently devolved back many political powers just as the UK did with the EU.

I don't much care who issues my travel document.

Now sure I am goading a little bit but many English people fail to understand the subtleties and feelings within their own union far less pontificate on the complex historical, political and / or religious conflict in a far away land.
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Well I’m half Scottish and half English. What should I think please?

awwww, FFS please dont tell me Rawanda is RDD. Its worse than being Barry'd with all the name changes they both do.

Ive been arguing with the ameoba as if he has a normal sized brain and wondering why, on a serious issue thread somebody is posing a genuine question... like John Thompson did on the Really Fast Show.... such as 'who would win a fight between a Donkey and an Armadillo?

I realise there are swathes on here unable to think for themselves but not so many of them self-declare. I think you should think about getting help.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-declaration-of-the-establishment-of-the-state-of-israel

For those who have never read it.

comment by Robb - Give Peace a Chance (U22716)
posted 3 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robb - Give Peace a Chance (U22716)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robb - Give Peace a Chance (U22716)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
Religion is clearly a massive part of the conflict.
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It is to an extent but what’s being done right now goes beyond religion. It’s about power (which I guess you could say that’s what religion really is).

But when you bring religion into it it’s far too easy to label someone an antisemite if you criticise the actions of Israel when it’s much more about a political party hiding behind religion to instigate a land grab on a mass scale.
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But the whole dispute of the land is founded in their religious doctrine. That doesn’t mean ‘religion bad, religion to blame’ but to secularise the dispute like so many in the West do, shows a lack of understanding of the dispute. The extreme Israeli government are Zionists. You cannot uncouple that from religion just to be seen to be a defender of religious freedoms.
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My point is that you should be able to criticise Zionism without being called an antisemite as in reality while it has a clear basis in an extremist version of Judaism it’s just as much a political state of mind as it is a religious one.
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Yeah I do agree with that. Religion is a political state of mind, especially in countries that don’t actually separate church and state.
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👍

And it’s the perfect cover for the Zionists to hide behind as no one can really criticise it without being called an antisemite by the usual suspects who aren’t brave enough to separate the two. The only ones who are ‘allowed’ to are moderate Jewish people who try their hardest but are attacked from all sides.
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Moderate Jews? Isn't that who the Zionists call self hating Jews?

comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 3 hours, 41 minutes ago
awwww, FFS please dont tell me Rawanda is RDD. Its worse than being Barry'd with all the name changes they both do.

Ive been arguing with the ameoba as if he has a normal sized brain and wondering why, on a serious issue thread somebody is posing a genuine question... like John Thompson did on the Really Fast Show.... such as 'who would win a fight between a Donkey and an Armadillo?
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Donkey

It’s interesting that this time last week Isreal had no idea what Hamas was up to, and yet this week they know every mosque, school and hospital Hamas is hiding in.

comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 23 minutes ago
It’s interesting that this time last week Isreal had no idea what Hamas was up to, and yet this week they know every mosque, school and hospital Hamas is hiding in.
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They don't know though. That's why carpet bombing is much more efficient.

comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 23 minutes ago
It’s interesting that this time last week Isreal had no idea what Hamas was up to, and yet this week they know every mosque, school and hospital Hamas is hiding in.
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They don't know though. That's why carpet bombing is much more efficient.
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Well quite.

comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
It’s interesting that this time last week Isreal had no idea what Hamas was up to, and yet this week they know every mosque, school and hospital Hamas is hiding in.
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Hiding?

comment by Rwanda forever (U22987)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
It’s interesting that this time last week Isreal had no idea what Hamas was up to, and yet this week they know every mosque, school and hospital Hamas is hiding in.
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Hiding?
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Well that’s what the Israelis always claim.

The “human shield” narrative is so f*cking vague.

comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 day, 11 hours ago
I think we should leave Israel well alone and stay out of it.
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Don't think that's right after Britain's role in the creation of the problem.

comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 day, 11 hours ago
I think we should leave Israel well alone and stay out of it.
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Don't think that's right after Britain's role in the creation of the problem.
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Which was ?

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 day, 9 hours ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 7 minutes ago
Is the beheading of the babies actually been independently verified?
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There was a lot of reporting that made a big splash without verification, and some concerns that the original source was a partisan propagandist, but yesterday I saw some suggestions that there was verification of some cases. There's so much misinformation flying around that I think it's sensible to be cautious, but on the same note, I don't think it has been debunked.

While the natural reaction to these stories is the deepest disgust, I think we have a moral duty to engage our reason. Not to minimise our disgust, which is absolutely correct. But to guard against the temptation to insulate ourselves from ethical complacency as a result. It's easy enough in human nature to react to savagery by wanting terrible revenge on the culprits, and in that emotion to forget about the fine distinctions between the individuals responsible and the community they came from. Moreover, it's quite easy, given the way we humans are wired, to fail to respond with the same visceral shock and utter disgust when a baby is killed, unseen, in the rubble of a flattened building, and when the act of killing is performed at a long distance. I'm sure it's easier on a psychological level to press a button that kills someone a mile away than to look into their eyes and
physically swing a blade at their body - this must be part of why one feels so much more unthinkable than the other, and inspires more horror. But ethically, it's exactly the same thing. We mustn't get into a position where we see one of them is absolute evil and the other less so.
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My thoughts exactly, but more eloquent! There was a Jewish woman on LBC talking about the beheading of babies the other day and saying people must find it acceptable when they had more pro Palestine callers in beforehand. A dead child is a dead child, for me there is no semantic argument to be had there, nothing is to be gained by going down that road. I haven't seen the latest figures but last I had around a third of Palestinian deaths were children, and that needs to be talked about just as much as those on the other side.

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 day, 11 hours ago
I think we should leave Israel well alone and stay out of it.
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Don't think that's right after Britain's role in the creation of the problem.
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Which was ?
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You've got to be kidding.

comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 day, 11 hours ago
I think we should leave Israel well alone and stay out of it.
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Don't think that's right after Britain's role in the creation of the problem.
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Which was ?
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You've got to be kidding.
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comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 day, 9 hours ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 7 minutes ago
Is the beheading of the babies actually been independently verified?
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There was a lot of reporting that made a big splash without verification, and some concerns that the original source was a partisan propagandist, but yesterday I saw some suggestions that there was verification of some cases. There's so much misinformation flying around that I think it's sensible to be cautious, but on the same note, I don't think it has been debunked.

While the natural reaction to these stories is the deepest disgust, I think we have a moral duty to engage our reason. Not to minimise our disgust, which is absolutely correct. But to guard against the temptation to insulate ourselves from ethical complacency as a result. It's easy enough in human nature to react to savagery by wanting terrible revenge on the culprits, and in that emotion to forget about the fine distinctions between the individuals responsible and the community they came from. Moreover, it's quite easy, given the way we humans are wired, to fail to respond with the same visceral shock and utter disgust when a baby is killed, unseen, in the rubble of a flattened building, and when the act of killing is performed at a long distance. I'm sure it's easier on a psychological level to press a button that kills someone a mile away than to look into their eyes and
physically swing a blade at their body - this must be part of why one feels so much more unthinkable than the other, and inspires more horror. But ethically, it's exactly the same thing. We mustn't get into a position where we see one of them is absolute evil and the other less so.
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My thoughts exactly, but more eloquent! There was a Jewish woman on LBC talking about the beheading of babies the other day and saying people must find it acceptable when they had more pro Palestine callers in beforehand. A dead child is a dead child, for me there is no semantic argument to be had there, nothing is to be gained by going down that road. I haven't seen the latest figures but last I had around a third of Palestinian deaths were children, and that needs to be talked about just as much as those on the other side.
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Indeed, you could argue the death by missile strike is worse because for every child killed there is likely many more injured, disfigured, limbs lost, scarred for life etc.

comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 day, 11 hours ago
I think we should leave Israel well alone and stay out of it.
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Don't think that's right after Britain's role in the creation of the problem.
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Which was ?
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You've got to be kidding.
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Noa précis will do.

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 day, 11 hours ago
I think we should leave Israel well alone and stay out of it.
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Don't think that's right after Britain's role in the creation of the problem.
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Which was ?
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You've got to be kidding.
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Noa précis will do.
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Quoi ?

"The British army occupied Jerusalem on Sunday, 9 December 1917, and withdrew on 14 May 1948. During its brief imperium in the promised land, Britain kept the promise made in 1917 by its foreign secretary, Arthur James Balfour, in the Declaration that bears his name, "to favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people". While nurturing the 'national home', a term as deliberately vague as Palestinian 'autonomy' is today, Britain neglected to observe the Declaration's final clause: "that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of the existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country".

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 day, 11 hours ago
I think we should leave Israel well alone and stay out of it.
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Don't think that's right after Britain's role in the creation of the problem.
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Which was ?
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?

52, you should google Opium Wars. See what those damned Chinese did to perfectly good British opium.

THE STATE OF ISRAEL will be open for Jewish immigration and for the Ingathering of the Exiles; it will foster the development of the country for the benefit of all its inhabitants; it will be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel; it will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or gender; it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture; it will safeguard the Holy Places of all religions; and it will be faithful to the principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

From the declaration of the state of Israel by David Ben Gurion.

In what way we're the rights of anyone ignored?

comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 day, 11 hours ago
I think we should leave Israel well alone and stay out of it.
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Don't think that's right after Britain's role in the creation of the problem.
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Which was ?
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You've got to be kidding.
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Noa précis will do.
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Quoi ?
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It neede a space between no and a

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 17 minutes ago
THE STATE OF ISRAEL will be open for Jewish immigration and for the Ingathering of the Exiles; it will foster the development of the country for the benefit of all its inhabitants; it will be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel; it will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or gender; it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture; it will safeguard the Holy Places of all religions; and it will be faithful to the principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

From the declaration of the state of Israel by David Ben Gurion.

In what way we're the rights of anyone ignored?
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The statement didn't match the reality nor by the action of the man who made it.