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posted on 13/10/23

Most of the people killed were ordinary people enjoying the festival. The suggestion of the light was to show sorrow for them.
On the wider scale it's too long a time, too complicated for me, and many more, to decide who has right on their side. Both sometimes perhaps.

posted on 13/10/23

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 24 minutes ago
It's the right decision not to do this and also the BBC not abandoning their policy of not using the word 'terrorist'.

Organisations should not succumb to pressure from apartheid sympathisers as if they have any moral high ground.
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They do have the moral high ground after the latest slaughter
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By that logic, Palestinians will have the high ground after the siege of Gaza. Remember that.

posted on 13/10/23

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 24 minutes ago
It's the right decision not to do this and also the BBC not abandoning their policy of not using the word 'terrorist'.

Organisations should not succumb to pressure from apartheid sympathisers as if they have any moral high ground.
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They do have the moral high ground after the latest slaughter
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Totally ignorant argument.

Gaza and it's civilians are not Hamas.

They are people just like the Israelis that were murdered.

posted on 13/10/23

comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 24 minutes ago
It's the right decision not to do this and also the BBC not abandoning their policy of not using the word 'terrorist'.

Organisations should not succumb to pressure from apartheid sympathisers as if they have any moral high ground.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They do have the moral high ground after the latest slaughter
----------------------------------------------------------------------
By that logic, Palestinians will have the high ground after the siege of Gaza. Remember that.
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And Jews for being expelled from there initially? There’s no end to this game which is why I agree that there is no moral high ground at this stage.

It’s teeet for tat.

Sadly, what Hamas did and what Israel is doing and certainly will do, I actually think there’s no way back at all now.

It’s gonna come down to what the other Arab countries do. I don’t think any of them truly give a sheet about Palestinians but they won’t want Israel controlling the whole region.

posted on 13/10/23

comment by Hezzman (U21558)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 24 minutes ago
It's the right decision not to do this and also the BBC not abandoning their policy of not using the word 'terrorist'.

Organisations should not succumb to pressure from apartheid sympathisers as if they have any moral high ground.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They do have the moral high ground after the latest slaughter
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Totally ignorant argument.

Gaza and it's civilians are not Hamas.

They are people just like the Israelis that were murdered.

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Where are Hamas then ?

posted on 13/10/23

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Hezzman (U21558)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 24 minutes ago
It's the right decision not to do this and also the BBC not abandoning their policy of not using the word 'terrorist'.

Organisations should not succumb to pressure from apartheid sympathisers as if they have any moral high ground.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They do have the moral high ground after the latest slaughter
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Totally ignorant argument.

Gaza and it's civilians are not Hamas.

They are people just like the Israelis that were murdered.

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Where are Hamas then ?
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In civilian buildings / underneath civilian buildings

posted on 13/10/23

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 24 minutes ago
It's the right decision not to do this and also the BBC not abandoning their policy of not using the word 'terrorist'.

Organisations should not succumb to pressure from apartheid sympathisers as if they have any moral high ground.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They do have the moral high ground after the latest slaughter
----------------------------------------------------------------------
By that logic, Palestinians will have the high ground after the siege of Gaza. Remember that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And Jews for being expelled from there initially? There’s no end to this game which is why I agree that there is no moral high ground at this stage.

It’s teeet for tat.

Sadly, what Hamas did and what Israel is doing and certainly will do, I actually think there’s no way back at all now.

It’s gonna come down to what the other Arab countries do. I don’t think any of them truly give a sheet about Palestinians but they won’t want Israel controlling the whole region.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
My original comment was about the sympathisers over here trying to bully people to follow their murderous agenda.

posted on 13/10/23

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Hezzman (U21558)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 24 minutes ago
It's the right decision not to do this and also the BBC not abandoning their policy of not using the word 'terrorist'.

Organisations should not succumb to pressure from apartheid sympathisers as if they have any moral high ground.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They do have the moral high ground after the latest slaughter
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Totally ignorant argument.

Gaza and it's civilians are not Hamas.

They are people just like the Israelis that were murdered.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Where are Hamas then ?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In civilian buildings / underneath civilian buildings
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Is there a non-civilian building in Gaza?

posted on 13/10/23

My original comment was about the sympathisers over here trying to bully people to follow their murderous agenda.
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Who’s doing that?

posted on 13/10/23

comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 28 minutes ago
My original comment was about the sympathisers over here trying to bully people to follow their murderous agenda.
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Who’s doing that?
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Zionist sympathisers. They know what they're doing with their misinformation, opposing Palestine protests, etc. All this to keep the occupation and killing going.

posted on 13/10/23

Who are these sympathisers, though? And I’m not sure that’s bullying people into following Israel’s murderous agenda. Most people aren’t even aware of what Israel have been doing, the idea they’re being bullied into following doesn’t make any sense.

posted on 13/10/23

comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 24 minutes ago
It's the right decision not to do this and also the BBC not abandoning their policy of not using the word 'terrorist'.

Organisations should not succumb to pressure from apartheid sympathisers as if they have any moral high ground.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They do have the moral high ground after the latest slaughter
----------------------------------------------------------------------
By that logic, Palestinians will have the high ground after the siege of Gaza. Remember that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And Jews for being expelled from there initially? There’s no end to this game which is why I agree that there is no moral high ground at this stage.

It’s teeet for tat.

Sadly, what Hamas did and what Israel is doing and certainly will do, I actually think there’s no way back at all now.

It’s gonna come down to what the other Arab countries do. I don’t think any of them truly give a sheet about Palestinians but they won’t want Israel controlling the whole region.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
My original comment was about the sympathisers over here trying to bully people to follow their murderous agenda.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I get that was mostly responding generally

posted on 13/10/23

comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Hezzman (U21558)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 24 minutes ago
It's the right decision not to do this and also the BBC not abandoning their policy of not using the word 'terrorist'.

Organisations should not succumb to pressure from apartheid sympathisers as if they have any moral high ground.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They do have the moral high ground after the latest slaughter
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Totally ignorant argument.

Gaza and it's civilians are not Hamas.

They are people just like the Israelis that were murdered.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Where are Hamas then ?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In civilian buildings / underneath civilian buildings
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Is there a non-civilian building in Gaza?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Probably not. But they do deliberately hide in schools, hospitals etc

posted on 13/10/23

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 hours, 1 minute ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 24 minutes ago
It's the right decision not to do this and also the BBC not abandoning their policy of not using the word 'terrorist'.

Organisations should not succumb to pressure from apartheid sympathisers as if they have any moral high ground.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They do have the moral high ground after the latest slaughter
----------------------------------------------------------------------

No they do not and that’s a ridiculously ignorant comment I’m afraid.

Israel are the aggressor in the conflict. They are the occupiers. They are the ones crushing viable Palestinian existence in the West Bank, and “mowing the lawn” (their term, not mine) in Gaza.

This is not a war between equal factions. Palestinians have minimal means to armed resistance (and they are legally entitled to take up arms against oppressors - though note I’m speaking of this distinct from the events of the last few days and not all condoning indiscriminate tactical violence against civilians), and efforts at non-violent resistance have been routinely met with force in return.

Israel have overwhelming military might by land, sea & air. They are supported enormously in military aid, economic aid & diplomatic support by the US (and UK also). Israel has constantly placed its expansionist aims above its security, and it has killed Palestinians at ratios sometimes as high and above as 100-1 in just the last two decades alone. The state terror of the IDF is orders of magnitude greater than anything comparable from Palestinian factions, even including last weekend’s brief interruption to the normal killing ratio that goes almost entirely unreported 95% of the year.

Israel has consistently blocked meaningful settlement agreements in lock step with the US, and consistently breached major ceasefire agreements.

The idea that Israel has *any* “moral high ground* is obscene. Ditto Britain, by the way, who among other horrors share some complicity is Israeli war crimes through arms, diplomatic support and joint-naval exercises which de facto support the blockade via the Gaza sea.

posted on 14/10/23

Israel has been breaking international law for years. What happened in Israel last Saturday was shocking and media are going overdrive of what happened there.

But this has been happening to Palestinians for years.

Just Google UN pages, Amnesty International and you will see it.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/02/israels-apartheid-against-palestinians-a-cruel-system-of-domination-and-a-crime-against-humanity/

https://defenceforchildren.org/hrc53-side-event-childhood-in-captivity-palestinian-children-arbitrarily-detained-in-israeli-prisons/

Funny hey, the Palestinian kids taken away at night, stuck in jails, no trial etc are prisoners. Yet the kids taken by hamas are called hostages.

Sad state of the world.

posted on 14/10/23

They should have lit it up in the colours of the German flag to remind these Jews what it's like to live under the fear of death.

posted on 14/10/23

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 10 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 24 minutes ago
It's the right decision not to do this and also the BBC not abandoning their policy of not using the word 'terrorist'.

Organisations should not succumb to pressure from apartheid sympathisers as if they have any moral high ground.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They do have the moral high ground after the latest slaughter
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No they don't. Is it that you can't read or what?

posted on 14/10/23

Keep politics out of sport, or something…

posted on 14/10/23

comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
Keep politics out of sport, or something…
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This 💯

posted on 14/10/23

They do have the moral high ground after the latest slaughter
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Nobody has any 'higher moral ground' in this long running, tit-for-tat mess. (Im sure both sides think they have). But as a poorly informed and unaffcted on-looker (or worse, commontator) living in a safe part of the World, to judge and declare such a thing on SM and irresponsible News Channels just makes the situation a whole lot more chaotic and dangerous for those currently fearing or running for their lives.

posted on 14/10/23

commentator

posted on 14/10/23

This isn’t a Jewish and Muslim thing. It’s a right wing psycho Israeli government vs an extremist terrorist group doing things in the name of Muslims which are against all teachings. And it will be innocent Jewish and Muslim people who die needlessly.

One side on a far more massive scale thanks to idiots like Keir Starmer being too much of a coward to call it out.

posted on 14/10/23

comment by Am-Robb-at (U22716)
posted 5 minutes ago
This isn’t a Jewish and Muslim thing. It’s a right wing psycho Israeli government vs an extremist terrorist group doing things in the name of Muslims which are against all teachings. And it will be innocent Jewish and Muslim people who die needlessly.
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Correct. Its a political war not a religious war. But it will firstly, be innocent Israelis and Palestinians who will have to die needlessly.

posted on 14/10/23

Religion is clearly a massive part of the conflict.

posted on 14/10/23

comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 57 seconds ago
Religion is clearly a massive part of the conflict.
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to many its all they see or understand

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