comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 16 seconds ago
Have we not reached the point where we all realise people who say 'woke' are genuinely beIlends?

Anyway, go into work, find a colleague who is black and has done something excellent in their job and compare them to a gorilla for doing so in front of everyone.

See what happens.
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Would a Gorilla emoji be OK for a White colleague?

comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 (U2462)
posted 4 seconds ago
Garnacho has been a little bit silly here really. I don't think it's racist but it's very naive to think people wouldn't think it is. He really needs some kind of social media training.

With Onana being from Cameroon surely a Lion would have made more sense anyway if he wanted to signify strength and being a king etc.
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Does.it matter if people thought it might be.(racist) if they have since been assured it wasn't?

comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 16 seconds ago
Have we not reached the point where we all realise people who say 'woke' are genuinely beIlends?

Anyway, go into work, find a colleague who is black and has done something excellent in their job and compare them to a gorilla for doing so in front of everyone.

See what happens.
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Would a Gorilla emoji be OK for a White colleague?
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Shut up

Pretty dim thing for him to tweet, but it's hardly crime of the century. It's similar to when Bernardo got a one match ban for tweeting about Mendy. Illustrates why player should not do their own social media.

comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 (U2462)
posted 4 seconds ago
Garnacho has been a little bit silly here really. I don't think it's racist but it's very naive to think people wouldn't think it is. He really needs some kind of social media training.

With Onana being from Cameroon surely a Lion would have made more sense anyway if he wanted to signify strength and being a king etc.
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Does.it matter if people thought it might be.(racist) if they have since been assured it wasn't?
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I don't for one second think Garnacho is being racist.

However, if he was, and he posted this and then thought "Oh no" then a likely reaction would be to state that he isn't racist.

It's just a daft thing to do.

comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 (U2462)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 (U2462)
posted 4 seconds ago
Garnacho has been a little bit silly here really. I don't think it's racist but it's very naive to think people wouldn't think it is. He really needs some kind of social media training.

With Onana being from Cameroon surely a Lion would have made more sense anyway if he wanted to signify strength and being a king etc.
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Does.it matter if people thought it might be.(racist) if they have since been assured it wasn't?
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I don't for one second think Garnacho is being racist.

However, if he was, and he posted this and then thought "Oh no" then a likely reaction would be to state that he isn't racist.

It's just a daft thing to do.
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Daft, maybe. Innocent. Definetly

Wrong? Worthy of punishment? I'm not so sure

comment by Kamikaze Blue (U7450)
posted 2 minutes ago
Pretty dim thing for him to tweet, but it's hardly crime of the century. It's similar to when Bernardo got a one match ban for tweeting about Mendy. Illustrates why player should not do their own social media.
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The thing that might see him escape punishment is that the pic includes several players, not just Onana.

Hard to see how they can argue its racist to a Black person, but not a White person, without giving the vile, racist view that equates black people with monkeys, legitimacy.

He'll get between a one and three match ban probably like all the other divs who have done similar (Cavani, Bernado).

comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
He'll get between a one and three match ban probably like all the other divs who have done similar (Cavani, Bernado).
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Would that not legitimise the wrong thinking that likens Black people to Monkeys?

If he gets a ban I think he and the club should just accept it, make a statement on how keen they are to stamp out racism in all forms (whilst stating Garnacho was perhaps naive rather than racist) and leave it at that.

comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 (U2462)
posted 56 seconds ago
If he gets a ban I think he and the club should just accept it, make a statement on how keen they are to stamp out racism in all forms (whilst stating Garnacho was perhaps naive rather than racist) and leave it at that.
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Bernardo Silva got a one match ban for pretty much the same thing. I don't think either player is racist, but a one match ban isn't worth worrying about.

comment by Kamikaze Blue (U7450)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 (U2462)
posted 56 seconds ago
If he gets a ban I think he and the club should just accept it, make a statement on how keen they are to stamp out racism in all forms (whilst stating Garnacho was perhaps naive rather than racist) and leave it at that.
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Bernardo Silva got a one match ban for pretty much the same thing. I don't think either player is racist, but a one match ban isn't worth worrying about.
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No. Silva likened Mendy to a Black character.

Garnacho used an emoji of a powerful animal to acknowledge the performance of at least 2 players.

comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by Kamikaze Blue (U7450)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 (U2462)
posted 56 seconds ago
If he gets a ban I think he and the club should just accept it, make a statement on how keen they are to stamp out racism in all forms (whilst stating Garnacho was perhaps naive rather than racist) and leave it at that.
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Bernardo Silva got a one match ban for pretty much the same thing. I don't think either player is racist, but a one match ban isn't worth worrying about.
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No. Silva likened Mendy to a Black character.

Garnacho used an emoji of a powerful animal to acknowledge the performance of at least 2 players.
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Garnacho stupidly used a racist trope to acknowledge the performance of at least 2 players.

ftfy

comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Kamikaze Blue (U7450)
posted 2 minutes ago
Pretty dim thing for him to tweet, but it's hardly crime of the century. It's similar to when Bernardo got a one match ban for tweeting about Mendy. Illustrates why player should not do their own social media.
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The thing that might see him escape punishment is that the pic includes several players, not just Onana.

Hard to see how they can argue its racist to a Black person, but not a White person, without giving the vile, racist view that equates black people with monkeys, legitimacy.
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Think again. Is it possible to say racism exists without legitimising it?

If you criticise the use of using the gorilla image in reference to a black guy, you don't legitimise the view, you recognise its existence.

Whether it's misplaced or not to interpret it that way in this particular case is an entirely different matter.

Just ask yourself whether you would post a gorilla emoji on social media about your black work colleague.

If not, why not?

comment by Kamikaze Blue (U7450)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 (U2462)
posted 56 seconds ago
If he gets a ban I think he and the club should just accept it, make a statement on how keen they are to stamp out racism in all forms (whilst stating Garnacho was perhaps naive rather than racist) and leave it at that.
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Bernardo Silva got a one match ban for pretty much the same thing. I don't think either player is racist, but a one match ban isn't worth worrying about.
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Yes, both just a bit silly and not really malicious IMO.

Much like someone being sent off for a handball on the line. Just take your medicine.

If a suspension sends out a message that it's not OK to use these tropes then the sooner they go IMO.

In an ideal world no one would take offence of course but we're not living in an ideal world.

comment by Kamikaze Blue (U7450)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by Kamikaze Blue (U7450)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 (U2462)
posted 56 seconds ago
If he gets a ban I think he and the club should just accept it, make a statement on how keen they are to stamp out racism in all forms (whilst stating Garnacho was perhaps naive rather than racist) and leave it at that.
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Bernardo Silva got a one match ban for pretty much the same thing. I don't think either player is racist, but a one match ban isn't worth worrying about.
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No. Silva likened Mendy to a Black character.

Garnacho used an emoji of a powerful animal to acknowledge the performance of at least 2 players.
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Garnacho stupidly used a racist trope to acknowledge the performance of at least 2 players.

ftfy


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It's only a racist trope to racists.

comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 5 minutes ago
Just ask yourself whether you would post a gorilla emoji on social media about your black work colleague.

If not, why not?
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I will, but before i do, what is my intention when posting such a thing?

comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Kamikaze Blue (U7450)
posted 2 minutes ago
Pretty dim thing for him to tweet, but it's hardly crime of the century. It's similar to when Bernardo got a one match ban for tweeting about Mendy. Illustrates why player should not do their own social media.
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The thing that might see him escape punishment is that the pic includes several players, not just Onana.

Hard to see how they can argue its racist to a Black person, but not a White person, without giving the vile, racist view that equates black people with monkeys, legitimacy.
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Think again. Is it possible to say racism exists without legitimising it?

If you criticise the use of using the gorilla image in reference to a black guy, you don't legitimise the view, you recognise its existence.

Whether it's misplaced or not to interpret it that way in this particular case is an entirely different matter.

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What we are saying here is although it wasn't intended to be racist, because racists think it is, we can't use it.

You are then just legitimising the racists thinking.

Knowing you, to get attention.

It's only a racist trope to racists may well be the stupidest things I've ever read on here

comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 (U2462)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Kamikaze Blue (U7450)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 (U2462)
posted 56 seconds ago
If he gets a ban I think he and the club should just accept it, make a statement on how keen they are to stamp out racism in all forms (whilst stating Garnacho was perhaps naive rather than racist) and leave it at that.
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Bernardo Silva got a one match ban for pretty much the same thing. I don't think either player is racist, but a one match ban isn't worth worrying about.
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Yes, both just a bit silly and not really malicious IMO.

Much like someone being sent off for a handball on the line. Just take your medicine.

If a suspension sends out a message that it's not OK to use these tropes then the sooner they go IMO.

In an ideal world no one would take offence of course but we're not living in an ideal world.
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Not sure you can compare committing a handball with racially abusing someone.

Whether it’s a 1 or 10 game ban United won’t miss him. He’s crap anyway

comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 11 seconds ago
It's only a racist trope to racists may well be the stupidest things I've ever read on here
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Thank about it. Its not.

If racists used Goldfish emojis to abuse Black players, would anyone be upset?

Jesus

Just so I'm clear, you've written, to the world, that only people who are racist would find a racist trope racist.
That's what you're saying

I'm absolutely certain that black people find racist tropes, racist.

You really are a fvck knuckle of quite epic proportions.