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comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 20 minutes ago
None of that is relevant to my point. Palestinians have always been at the mercy of imperial powers, it’s why this has been able to happen because they didn’t establish themselves as a nation state.
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Nor were many places in Africa and Asia. This place was given to a third part by a second party who had no right to give it away on the first place.
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It wasn't given at all.
It was taken by people who settled the land.
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The UN split the land. It was given. Of the UN doesn't, we don't have an Israel. Israel also relied on the support of Western nations in order to "settle" the land.
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Much like ISIS. They took land, but as it was not accepted by the international community, they weren't given it.
Is there to be no more Israel? They become once again the wandering Jew. Which country would want to accept them? You are seeing antisemitism around the world.
No home, nowhere to speak their language.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 18 hours ago
I wouldn't say the Guardian didagrees with me, but I get your point.
I think a lot of people of my generation sympathise with the Jews , because of the holocaust, and so we should.
Israel, the same size as Wales, was created and made into a state by the UN. Palestine was offered the same but refused.
You must understand that they were surrounded by enemies who vowed to exterminate them.
They were a democracy surrounded by what amounted to dictatorships. They made themselves into a liberal, prosperous country.
Did they do things wrong ? You betcha, and they are doing now. But their enemies want the end of Israel, for the Jewish race to become homeless once again. The Jews feel they are fighting for their lives, their soul.
I sitting here in comfort and safety know that they have done, and are doing, things wrong. But so to have Palestine , and it seems to me that Western liberals would be happy to see the end of Israel, something which I completely disagree with.
Hatred of Jews is on the rise in the west ,and I don't like it.
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What should be growing is hatred of Israel the political state, not hatred of Jews. A lot of people will not be able to distinguish between Jews and Israel the state l, and thus you might see attacks against Jews on the street from idiots who don't understand how things work.
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 18 hours ago
I wouldn't say the Guardian didagrees with me, but I get your point.
I think a lot of people of my generation sympathise with the Jews , because of the holocaust, and so we should.
Israel, the same size as Wales, was created and made into a state by the UN. Palestine was offered the same but refused.
You must understand that they were surrounded by enemies who vowed to exterminate them.
They were a democracy surrounded by what amounted to dictatorships. They made themselves into a liberal, prosperous country.
Did they do things wrong ? You betcha, and they are doing now. But their enemies want the end of Israel, for the Jewish race to become homeless once again. The Jews feel they are fighting for their lives, their soul.
I sitting here in comfort and safety know that they have done, and are doing, things wrong. But so to have Palestine , and it seems to me that Western liberals would be happy to see the end of Israel, something which I completely disagree with.
Hatred of Jews is on the rise in the west ,and I don't like it.
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What should be growing is hatred of Israel the political state, not hatred of Jews. A lot of people will not be able to distinguish between Jews and Israel the state l, and thus you might see attacks against Jews on the street from idiots who don't understand how things work.
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You definitely will see attacks on Jews, it's happening now, and in many parts of the world.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 17 minutes ago
Is there to be no more Israel? They become once again the wandering Jew. Which country would want to accept them? You are seeing antisemitism around the world.
No home, nowhere to speak their language.
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My local hospital is the Jewish General Hospital. Jews speak both Yiddish and Hebrew there and in lots of places around Montreal. NYC has whole neighbourhoods almost exclusively Jewish.
What are you talking about?
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 25 minutes ago
Is there to be no more Israel? They become once again the wandering Jew. Which country would want to accept them? You are seeing antisemitism around the world.
No home, nowhere to speak their language.
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Germany could give up part of their land. Afterall, it was them, and not the Palestinians, who were responsible for the holocaust. Why are Europeans and the States so reluctant to give their land to the Jews but love giving giving away the land of someone else? Sounds racist and antisemitic to me.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 18 hours ago
I wouldn't say the Guardian didagrees with me, but I get your point.
I think a lot of people of my generation sympathise with the Jews , because of the holocaust, and so we should.
Israel, the same size as Wales, was created and made into a state by the UN. Palestine was offered the same but refused.
You must understand that they were surrounded by enemies who vowed to exterminate them.
They were a democracy surrounded by what amounted to dictatorships. They made themselves into a liberal, prosperous country.
Did they do things wrong ? You betcha, and they are doing now. But their enemies want the end of Israel, for the Jewish race to become homeless once again. The Jews feel they are fighting for their lives, their soul.
I sitting here in comfort and safety know that they have done, and are doing, things wrong. But so to have Palestine , and it seems to me that Western liberals would be happy to see the end of Israel, something which I completely disagree with.
Hatred of Jews is on the rise in the west ,and I don't like it.
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What should be growing is hatred of Israel the political state, not hatred of Jews. A lot of people will not be able to distinguish between Jews and Israel the state l, and thus you might see attacks against Jews on the street from idiots who don't understand how things work.
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You definitely will see attacks on Jews, it's happening now, and in many parts of the world.
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6 Muslims murdered in a mosque in Quebec City. January 29 2017
4 members of Muslim family run over by white supremacist in London, Ontario. June 6, 2021
Along with many other less violent crimes against Muslims.
In this time frame I have not heard of any murders of Jews just for being Jews.
Plenty of less violent crimes, but mass murders? None.
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 17 minutes ago
Is there to be no more Israel? They become once again the wandering Jew. Which country would want to accept them? You are seeing antisemitism around the world.
No home, nowhere to speak their language.
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My local hospital is the Jewish General Hospital. Jews speak both Yiddish and Hebrew there and in lots of places around Montreal. NYC has whole neighbourhoods almost exclusively Jewish.
What are you talking about?
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I'm talking about Europe, Africa, Asia, Australia
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 17 minutes ago
Is there to be no more Israel? They become once again the wandering Jew. Which country would want to accept them? You are seeing antisemitism around the world.
No home, nowhere to speak their language.
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My local hospital is the Jewish General Hospital. Jews speak both Yiddish and Hebrew there and in lots of places around Montreal. NYC has whole neighbourhoods almost exclusively Jewish.
What are you talking about?
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I'm talking about Europe, Africa, Asia, Australia
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You could have mentioned that. Pretty sure there's a fairly large Jewish population in Oz though.
How was I to know you were excluding the Americas and only the Americas?
Oops Oceania too. Sorry.
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 18 hours ago
I wouldn't say the Guardian didagrees with me, but I get your point.
I think a lot of people of my generation sympathise with the Jews , because of the holocaust, and so we should.
Israel, the same size as Wales, was created and made into a state by the UN. Palestine was offered the same but refused.
You must understand that they were surrounded by enemies who vowed to exterminate them.
They were a democracy surrounded by what amounted to dictatorships. They made themselves into a liberal, prosperous country.
Did they do things wrong ? You betcha, and they are doing now. But their enemies want the end of Israel, for the Jewish race to become homeless once again. The Jews feel they are fighting for their lives, their soul.
I sitting here in comfort and safety know that they have done, and are doing, things wrong. But so to have Palestine , and it seems to me that Western liberals would be happy to see the end of Israel, something which I completely disagree with.
Hatred of Jews is on the rise in the west ,and I don't like it.
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What should be growing is hatred of Israel the political state, not hatred of Jews. A lot of people will not be able to distinguish between Jews and Israel the state l, and thus you might see attacks against Jews on the street from idiots who don't understand how things work.
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You definitely will see attacks on Jews, it's happening now, and in many parts of the world.
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6 Muslims murdered in a mosque in Quebec City. January 29 2017
4 members of Muslim family run over by white supremacist in London, Ontario. June 6, 2021
Along with many other less violent crimes against Muslims.
In this time frame I have not heard of any murders of Jews just for being Jews.
Plenty of less violent crimes, but mass murders? None.
-------https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/anti-semitic-attacks-last-year-killed-most-jews-in-decades
Now you have.
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comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 25 minutes ago
Is there to be no more Israel? They become once again the wandering Jew. Which country would want to accept them? You are seeing antisemitism around the world.
No home, nowhere to speak their language.
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Germany could give up part of their land. Afterall, it was them, and not the Palestinians, who were responsible for the holocaust. Why are Europeans and the States so reluctant to give their land to the Jews but love giving giving away the land of someone else? Sounds racist and antisemitic to me.
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As if Jews would want to live in Germany. But to be clear, you want to see Israel cease to exist.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 25 minutes ago
Is there to be no more Israel? They become once again the wandering Jew. Which country would want to accept them? You are seeing antisemitism around the world.
No home, nowhere to speak their language.
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Germany could give up part of their land. Afterall, it was them, and not the Palestinians, who were responsible for the holocaust. Why are Europeans and the States so reluctant to give their land to the Jews but love giving giving away the land of someone else? Sounds racist and antisemitic to me.
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As if Jews would want to live in Germany. But to be clear, you want to see Israel cease to exist.
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Maybe try google and find out how many Jews actually live in Germany. And from news reports I've seen, you're adopted country has many, many more incidents of hate crimes against Jews than Germany does.
Antisemitism isn't growing in a vacuum. The state of Israel and it's actions is one thing that encourages antisemitism IMO.
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 25 minutes ago
Is there to be no more Israel? They become once again the wandering Jew. Which country would want to accept them? You are seeing antisemitism around the world.
No home, nowhere to speak their language.
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Germany could give up part of their land. Afterall, it was them, and not the Palestinians, who were responsible for the holocaust. Why are Europeans and the States so reluctant to give their land to the Jews but love giving giving away the land of someone else? Sounds racist and antisemitic to me.
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As if Jews would want to live in Germany. But to be clear, you want to see Israel cease to exist.
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Maybe try google and find out how many Jews actually live in Germany. And from news reports I've seen, you're adopted country has many, many more incidents of hate crimes against Jews than Germany does.
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Yes it does, there's a big Muslim population here, as well as plenty of native French who are anti-Semitic.
Being born in Germany isn't the same as being sent there, against there will. Something we know you don't agree with, the same as Palestinians having to move.
Do you want to see Israel cease to exist?
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 25 minutes ago
Is there to be no more Israel? They become once again the wandering Jew. Which country would want to accept them? You are seeing antisemitism around the world.
No home, nowhere to speak their language.
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Germany could give up part of their land. Afterall, it was them, and not the Palestinians, who were responsible for the holocaust. Why are Europeans and the States so reluctant to give their land to the Jews but love giving giving away the land of someone else? Sounds racist and antisemitic to me.
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As if Jews would want to live in Germany. But to be clear, you want to see Israel cease to exist.
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Where did I say that? Let's reverse that.
But to be clear, you're saying brown and people of colour should pay for the crimes of white europeans. You're saying Europeans have the right to give away land that belong to someone else. You're saying you support genocide in order to achieve this. Just to be clear
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 25 minutes ago
Is there to be no more Israel? They become once again the wandering Jew. Which country would want to accept them? You are seeing antisemitism around the world.
No home, nowhere to speak their language.
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Germany could give up part of their land. Afterall, it was them, and not the Palestinians, who were responsible for the holocaust. Why are Europeans and the States so reluctant to give their land to the Jews but love giving giving away the land of someone else? Sounds racist and antisemitic to me.
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As if Jews would want to live in Germany. But to be clear, you want to see Israel cease to exist.
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Maybe try google and find out how many Jews actually live in Germany. And from news reports I've seen, you're adopted country has many, many more incidents of hate crimes against Jews than Germany does.
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Yes it does, there's a big Muslim population here, as well as plenty of native French who are anti-Semitic.
Being born in Germany isn't the same as being sent there, against there will. Something we know you don't agree with, the same as Palestinians having to move.
Do you want to see Israel cease to exist?
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Are those goalposts on wheels?
Much easier to move if they have.
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 25 minutes ago
Is there to be no more Israel? They become once again the wandering Jew. Which country would want to accept them? You are seeing antisemitism around the world.
No home, nowhere to speak their language.
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Germany could give up part of their land. Afterall, it was them, and not the Palestinians, who were responsible for the holocaust. Why are Europeans and the States so reluctant to give their land to the Jews but love giving giving away the land of someone else? Sounds racist and antisemitic to me.
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As if Jews would want to live in Germany. But to be clear, you want to see Israel cease to exist.
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Maybe try google and find out how many Jews actually live in Germany. And from news reports I've seen, you're adopted country has many, many more incidents of hate crimes against Jews than Germany does.
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Yes it does, there's a big Muslim population here, as well as plenty of native French who are anti-Semitic.
Being born in Germany isn't the same as being sent there, against there will. Something we know you don't agree with, the same as Palestinians having to move.
Do you want to see Israel cease to exist?
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Are those goalposts on wheels?
Much easier to move if they have.
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And do you want to see Israel cease to exist?
Do any posters want to see Israel cease to exist?
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 12 minutes ago
Antisemitism isn't growing in a vacuum. The state of Israel and it's actions is one thing that encourages antisemitism IMO.
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But there have been attacks on Muslims in Syria, China etc.
Suddenly when it happens in Gaza people decide to take notice.
You can argue Israel is being heavy handed in its response, but if we had a terrorist group on our doorstep that wanted to annihilate us, we’d all be doing the same.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 4 minutes ago
Do any posters want to see Israel cease to exist?
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Did any poster say they wanted that?
I would say no.
What I do find funny is that many Israeli supporters in Europe and the US are so willing to give away the land of Palestinians but if we were to give a hypothetical of reversing time and say give away a part of the land of US or Europe, they'd be against it.
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 12 minutes ago
Antisemitism isn't growing in a vacuum. The state of Israel and it's actions is one thing that encourages antisemitism IMO.
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But there have been attacks on Muslims in Syria, China etc.
Suddenly when it happens in Gaza people decide to take notice.
You can argue Israel is being heavy handed in its response, but if we had a terrorist group on our doorstep that wanted to annihilate us, we’d all be doing the same.
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And many protested against those too. We saw Arsenal throw Ozil under the bus over that.
And Israel is the occupier. Resistance is allowed by the occupied. We just had an Israeli Politician talk about nuking Gaza so don't talk about annihilation when it's not just one side or group that wants that of the other.
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 4 minutes ago
Do any posters want to see Israel cease to exist?
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Did any poster say they wanted that?
I would say no.
What I do find funny is that many Israeli supporters in Europe and the US are so willing to give away the land of Palestinians but if we were to give a hypothetical of reversing time and say give away a part of the land of US or Europe, they'd be against it.
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If we could have 1948 again I wouldn't be against it, then it would form part of German réparation.
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 12 minutes ago
Antisemitism isn't growing in a vacuum. The state of Israel and it's actions is one thing that encourages antisemitism IMO.
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But there have been attacks on Muslims in Syria, China etc.
Suddenly when it happens in Gaza people decide to take notice.
You can argue Israel is being heavy handed in its response, but if we had a terrorist group on our doorstep that wanted to annihilate us, we’d all be doing the same.
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I don't understand how people are still getting this wrong after all this time. Palestine is under Israeli occupation. They are not at any ones doorstep.
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 12 minutes ago
Antisemitism isn't growing in a vacuum. The state of Israel and it's actions is one thing that encourages antisemitism IMO.
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But there have been attacks on Muslims in Syria, China etc.
Suddenly when it happens in Gaza people decide to take notice.
You can argue Israel is being heavy handed in its response, but if we had a terrorist group on our doorstep that wanted to annihilate us, we’d all be doing the same.
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And many protested against those too. We saw Arsenal throw Ozil under the bus over that.
And Israel is the occupier. Resistance is allowed by the occupied. We just had an Israeli Politician talk about nuking Gaza so don't talk about annihilation when it's not just one side or group that wants that of the other.
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The brainwashing is very strong when it comes to this conflict.
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 12 minutes ago
Antisemitism isn't growing in a vacuum. The state of Israel and it's actions is one thing that encourages antisemitism IMO.
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But there have been attacks on Muslims in Syria, China etc.
Suddenly when it happens in Gaza people decide to take notice.
You can argue Israel is being heavy handed in its response, but if we had a terrorist group on our doorstep that wanted to annihilate us, we’d all be doing the same.
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And many protested against those too. We saw Arsenal throw Ozil under the bus over that.
And Israel is the occupier. Resistance is allowed by the occupied. We just had an Israeli Politician talk about nuking Gaza so don't talk about annihilation when it's not just one side or group that wants that of the other.
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The protests are not to the same extent, nowhere near. Most of those protesting are peaceful but there has been an element that has called for jihad and the annihilation, and the police have bent over backwards to avoid having to confront it.
It’s actually shocked me the level of open anti-semitism I’ve seen in the last few weeks in London. I can understand why Jews would be terrified living in London and in major cities in the west.
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comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by HB Maybe Beale wasn't the mastermind (U21935)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 20 minutes ago
None of that is relevant to my point. Palestinians have always been at the mercy of imperial powers, it’s why this has been able to happen because they didn’t establish themselves as a nation state.
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Nor were many places in Africa and Asia. This place was given to a third part by a second party who had no right to give it away on the first place.
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It wasn't given at all.
It was taken by people who settled the land.
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The UN split the land. It was given. Of the UN doesn't, we don't have an Israel. Israel also relied on the support of Western nations in order to "settle" the land.
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Much like ISIS. They took land, but as it was not accepted by the international community, they weren't given it.
posted on 6/11/23
Is there to be no more Israel? They become once again the wandering Jew. Which country would want to accept them? You are seeing antisemitism around the world.
No home, nowhere to speak their language.
posted on 6/11/23
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 18 hours ago
I wouldn't say the Guardian didagrees with me, but I get your point.
I think a lot of people of my generation sympathise with the Jews , because of the holocaust, and so we should.
Israel, the same size as Wales, was created and made into a state by the UN. Palestine was offered the same but refused.
You must understand that they were surrounded by enemies who vowed to exterminate them.
They were a democracy surrounded by what amounted to dictatorships. They made themselves into a liberal, prosperous country.
Did they do things wrong ? You betcha, and they are doing now. But their enemies want the end of Israel, for the Jewish race to become homeless once again. The Jews feel they are fighting for their lives, their soul.
I sitting here in comfort and safety know that they have done, and are doing, things wrong. But so to have Palestine , and it seems to me that Western liberals would be happy to see the end of Israel, something which I completely disagree with.
Hatred of Jews is on the rise in the west ,and I don't like it.
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What should be growing is hatred of Israel the political state, not hatred of Jews. A lot of people will not be able to distinguish between Jews and Israel the state l, and thus you might see attacks against Jews on the street from idiots who don't understand how things work.
posted on 6/11/23
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 18 hours ago
I wouldn't say the Guardian didagrees with me, but I get your point.
I think a lot of people of my generation sympathise with the Jews , because of the holocaust, and so we should.
Israel, the same size as Wales, was created and made into a state by the UN. Palestine was offered the same but refused.
You must understand that they were surrounded by enemies who vowed to exterminate them.
They were a democracy surrounded by what amounted to dictatorships. They made themselves into a liberal, prosperous country.
Did they do things wrong ? You betcha, and they are doing now. But their enemies want the end of Israel, for the Jewish race to become homeless once again. The Jews feel they are fighting for their lives, their soul.
I sitting here in comfort and safety know that they have done, and are doing, things wrong. But so to have Palestine , and it seems to me that Western liberals would be happy to see the end of Israel, something which I completely disagree with.
Hatred of Jews is on the rise in the west ,and I don't like it.
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What should be growing is hatred of Israel the political state, not hatred of Jews. A lot of people will not be able to distinguish between Jews and Israel the state l, and thus you might see attacks against Jews on the street from idiots who don't understand how things work.
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You definitely will see attacks on Jews, it's happening now, and in many parts of the world.
posted on 6/11/23
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 17 minutes ago
Is there to be no more Israel? They become once again the wandering Jew. Which country would want to accept them? You are seeing antisemitism around the world.
No home, nowhere to speak their language.
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My local hospital is the Jewish General Hospital. Jews speak both Yiddish and Hebrew there and in lots of places around Montreal. NYC has whole neighbourhoods almost exclusively Jewish.
What are you talking about?
posted on 6/11/23
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 25 minutes ago
Is there to be no more Israel? They become once again the wandering Jew. Which country would want to accept them? You are seeing antisemitism around the world.
No home, nowhere to speak their language.
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Germany could give up part of their land. Afterall, it was them, and not the Palestinians, who were responsible for the holocaust. Why are Europeans and the States so reluctant to give their land to the Jews but love giving giving away the land of someone else? Sounds racist and antisemitic to me.
posted on 6/11/23
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 18 hours ago
I wouldn't say the Guardian didagrees with me, but I get your point.
I think a lot of people of my generation sympathise with the Jews , because of the holocaust, and so we should.
Israel, the same size as Wales, was created and made into a state by the UN. Palestine was offered the same but refused.
You must understand that they were surrounded by enemies who vowed to exterminate them.
They were a democracy surrounded by what amounted to dictatorships. They made themselves into a liberal, prosperous country.
Did they do things wrong ? You betcha, and they are doing now. But their enemies want the end of Israel, for the Jewish race to become homeless once again. The Jews feel they are fighting for their lives, their soul.
I sitting here in comfort and safety know that they have done, and are doing, things wrong. But so to have Palestine , and it seems to me that Western liberals would be happy to see the end of Israel, something which I completely disagree with.
Hatred of Jews is on the rise in the west ,and I don't like it.
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What should be growing is hatred of Israel the political state, not hatred of Jews. A lot of people will not be able to distinguish between Jews and Israel the state l, and thus you might see attacks against Jews on the street from idiots who don't understand how things work.
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You definitely will see attacks on Jews, it's happening now, and in many parts of the world.
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6 Muslims murdered in a mosque in Quebec City. January 29 2017
4 members of Muslim family run over by white supremacist in London, Ontario. June 6, 2021
Along with many other less violent crimes against Muslims.
In this time frame I have not heard of any murders of Jews just for being Jews.
Plenty of less violent crimes, but mass murders? None.
posted on 6/11/23
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 17 minutes ago
Is there to be no more Israel? They become once again the wandering Jew. Which country would want to accept them? You are seeing antisemitism around the world.
No home, nowhere to speak their language.
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My local hospital is the Jewish General Hospital. Jews speak both Yiddish and Hebrew there and in lots of places around Montreal. NYC has whole neighbourhoods almost exclusively Jewish.
What are you talking about?
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I'm talking about Europe, Africa, Asia, Australia
posted on 6/11/23
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 17 minutes ago
Is there to be no more Israel? They become once again the wandering Jew. Which country would want to accept them? You are seeing antisemitism around the world.
No home, nowhere to speak their language.
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My local hospital is the Jewish General Hospital. Jews speak both Yiddish and Hebrew there and in lots of places around Montreal. NYC has whole neighbourhoods almost exclusively Jewish.
What are you talking about?
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I'm talking about Europe, Africa, Asia, Australia
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You could have mentioned that. Pretty sure there's a fairly large Jewish population in Oz though.
How was I to know you were excluding the Americas and only the Americas?
Oops Oceania too. Sorry.
posted on 6/11/23
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 18 hours ago
I wouldn't say the Guardian didagrees with me, but I get your point.
I think a lot of people of my generation sympathise with the Jews , because of the holocaust, and so we should.
Israel, the same size as Wales, was created and made into a state by the UN. Palestine was offered the same but refused.
You must understand that they were surrounded by enemies who vowed to exterminate them.
They were a democracy surrounded by what amounted to dictatorships. They made themselves into a liberal, prosperous country.
Did they do things wrong ? You betcha, and they are doing now. But their enemies want the end of Israel, for the Jewish race to become homeless once again. The Jews feel they are fighting for their lives, their soul.
I sitting here in comfort and safety know that they have done, and are doing, things wrong. But so to have Palestine , and it seems to me that Western liberals would be happy to see the end of Israel, something which I completely disagree with.
Hatred of Jews is on the rise in the west ,and I don't like it.
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What should be growing is hatred of Israel the political state, not hatred of Jews. A lot of people will not be able to distinguish between Jews and Israel the state l, and thus you might see attacks against Jews on the street from idiots who don't understand how things work.
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You definitely will see attacks on Jews, it's happening now, and in many parts of the world.
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6 Muslims murdered in a mosque in Quebec City. January 29 2017
4 members of Muslim family run over by white supremacist in London, Ontario. June 6, 2021
Along with many other less violent crimes against Muslims.
In this time frame I have not heard of any murders of Jews just for being Jews.
Plenty of less violent crimes, but mass murders? None.
-------https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/anti-semitic-attacks-last-year-killed-most-jews-in-decades
Now you have.
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posted on 6/11/23
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 25 minutes ago
Is there to be no more Israel? They become once again the wandering Jew. Which country would want to accept them? You are seeing antisemitism around the world.
No home, nowhere to speak their language.
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Germany could give up part of their land. Afterall, it was them, and not the Palestinians, who were responsible for the holocaust. Why are Europeans and the States so reluctant to give their land to the Jews but love giving giving away the land of someone else? Sounds racist and antisemitic to me.
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As if Jews would want to live in Germany. But to be clear, you want to see Israel cease to exist.
posted on 6/11/23
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 25 minutes ago
Is there to be no more Israel? They become once again the wandering Jew. Which country would want to accept them? You are seeing antisemitism around the world.
No home, nowhere to speak their language.
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Germany could give up part of their land. Afterall, it was them, and not the Palestinians, who were responsible for the holocaust. Why are Europeans and the States so reluctant to give their land to the Jews but love giving giving away the land of someone else? Sounds racist and antisemitic to me.
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As if Jews would want to live in Germany. But to be clear, you want to see Israel cease to exist.
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Maybe try google and find out how many Jews actually live in Germany. And from news reports I've seen, you're adopted country has many, many more incidents of hate crimes against Jews than Germany does.
posted on 6/11/23
Antisemitism isn't growing in a vacuum. The state of Israel and it's actions is one thing that encourages antisemitism IMO.
posted on 6/11/23
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 25 minutes ago
Is there to be no more Israel? They become once again the wandering Jew. Which country would want to accept them? You are seeing antisemitism around the world.
No home, nowhere to speak their language.
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Germany could give up part of their land. Afterall, it was them, and not the Palestinians, who were responsible for the holocaust. Why are Europeans and the States so reluctant to give their land to the Jews but love giving giving away the land of someone else? Sounds racist and antisemitic to me.
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As if Jews would want to live in Germany. But to be clear, you want to see Israel cease to exist.
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Maybe try google and find out how many Jews actually live in Germany. And from news reports I've seen, you're adopted country has many, many more incidents of hate crimes against Jews than Germany does.
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Yes it does, there's a big Muslim population here, as well as plenty of native French who are anti-Semitic.
Being born in Germany isn't the same as being sent there, against there will. Something we know you don't agree with, the same as Palestinians having to move.
Do you want to see Israel cease to exist?
posted on 6/11/23
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 25 minutes ago
Is there to be no more Israel? They become once again the wandering Jew. Which country would want to accept them? You are seeing antisemitism around the world.
No home, nowhere to speak their language.
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Germany could give up part of their land. Afterall, it was them, and not the Palestinians, who were responsible for the holocaust. Why are Europeans and the States so reluctant to give their land to the Jews but love giving giving away the land of someone else? Sounds racist and antisemitic to me.
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As if Jews would want to live in Germany. But to be clear, you want to see Israel cease to exist.
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Where did I say that? Let's reverse that.
But to be clear, you're saying brown and people of colour should pay for the crimes of white europeans. You're saying Europeans have the right to give away land that belong to someone else. You're saying you support genocide in order to achieve this. Just to be clear
posted on 6/11/23
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 25 minutes ago
Is there to be no more Israel? They become once again the wandering Jew. Which country would want to accept them? You are seeing antisemitism around the world.
No home, nowhere to speak their language.
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Germany could give up part of their land. Afterall, it was them, and not the Palestinians, who were responsible for the holocaust. Why are Europeans and the States so reluctant to give their land to the Jews but love giving giving away the land of someone else? Sounds racist and antisemitic to me.
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As if Jews would want to live in Germany. But to be clear, you want to see Israel cease to exist.
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Maybe try google and find out how many Jews actually live in Germany. And from news reports I've seen, you're adopted country has many, many more incidents of hate crimes against Jews than Germany does.
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Yes it does, there's a big Muslim population here, as well as plenty of native French who are anti-Semitic.
Being born in Germany isn't the same as being sent there, against there will. Something we know you don't agree with, the same as Palestinians having to move.
Do you want to see Israel cease to exist?
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Are those goalposts on wheels?
Much easier to move if they have.
posted on 6/11/23
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 25 minutes ago
Is there to be no more Israel? They become once again the wandering Jew. Which country would want to accept them? You are seeing antisemitism around the world.
No home, nowhere to speak their language.
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Germany could give up part of their land. Afterall, it was them, and not the Palestinians, who were responsible for the holocaust. Why are Europeans and the States so reluctant to give their land to the Jews but love giving giving away the land of someone else? Sounds racist and antisemitic to me.
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As if Jews would want to live in Germany. But to be clear, you want to see Israel cease to exist.
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Maybe try google and find out how many Jews actually live in Germany. And from news reports I've seen, you're adopted country has many, many more incidents of hate crimes against Jews than Germany does.
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Yes it does, there's a big Muslim population here, as well as plenty of native French who are anti-Semitic.
Being born in Germany isn't the same as being sent there, against there will. Something we know you don't agree with, the same as Palestinians having to move.
Do you want to see Israel cease to exist?
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Are those goalposts on wheels?
Much easier to move if they have.
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And do you want to see Israel cease to exist?
posted on 6/11/23
Do any posters want to see Israel cease to exist?
posted on 6/11/23
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 12 minutes ago
Antisemitism isn't growing in a vacuum. The state of Israel and it's actions is one thing that encourages antisemitism IMO.
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But there have been attacks on Muslims in Syria, China etc.
Suddenly when it happens in Gaza people decide to take notice.
You can argue Israel is being heavy handed in its response, but if we had a terrorist group on our doorstep that wanted to annihilate us, we’d all be doing the same.
posted on 6/11/23
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 4 minutes ago
Do any posters want to see Israel cease to exist?
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Did any poster say they wanted that?
I would say no.
What I do find funny is that many Israeli supporters in Europe and the US are so willing to give away the land of Palestinians but if we were to give a hypothetical of reversing time and say give away a part of the land of US or Europe, they'd be against it.
posted on 6/11/23
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 12 minutes ago
Antisemitism isn't growing in a vacuum. The state of Israel and it's actions is one thing that encourages antisemitism IMO.
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But there have been attacks on Muslims in Syria, China etc.
Suddenly when it happens in Gaza people decide to take notice.
You can argue Israel is being heavy handed in its response, but if we had a terrorist group on our doorstep that wanted to annihilate us, we’d all be doing the same.
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And many protested against those too. We saw Arsenal throw Ozil under the bus over that.
And Israel is the occupier. Resistance is allowed by the occupied. We just had an Israeli Politician talk about nuking Gaza so don't talk about annihilation when it's not just one side or group that wants that of the other.
posted on 6/11/23
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 4 minutes ago
Do any posters want to see Israel cease to exist?
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Did any poster say they wanted that?
I would say no.
What I do find funny is that many Israeli supporters in Europe and the US are so willing to give away the land of Palestinians but if we were to give a hypothetical of reversing time and say give away a part of the land of US or Europe, they'd be against it.
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If we could have 1948 again I wouldn't be against it, then it would form part of German réparation.
posted on 6/11/23
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 12 minutes ago
Antisemitism isn't growing in a vacuum. The state of Israel and it's actions is one thing that encourages antisemitism IMO.
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But there have been attacks on Muslims in Syria, China etc.
Suddenly when it happens in Gaza people decide to take notice.
You can argue Israel is being heavy handed in its response, but if we had a terrorist group on our doorstep that wanted to annihilate us, we’d all be doing the same.
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I don't understand how people are still getting this wrong after all this time. Palestine is under Israeli occupation. They are not at any ones doorstep.
posted on 6/11/23
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 12 minutes ago
Antisemitism isn't growing in a vacuum. The state of Israel and it's actions is one thing that encourages antisemitism IMO.
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But there have been attacks on Muslims in Syria, China etc.
Suddenly when it happens in Gaza people decide to take notice.
You can argue Israel is being heavy handed in its response, but if we had a terrorist group on our doorstep that wanted to annihilate us, we’d all be doing the same.
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And many protested against those too. We saw Arsenal throw Ozil under the bus over that.
And Israel is the occupier. Resistance is allowed by the occupied. We just had an Israeli Politician talk about nuking Gaza so don't talk about annihilation when it's not just one side or group that wants that of the other.
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The brainwashing is very strong when it comes to this conflict.
posted on 6/11/23
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 12 minutes ago
Antisemitism isn't growing in a vacuum. The state of Israel and it's actions is one thing that encourages antisemitism IMO.
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But there have been attacks on Muslims in Syria, China etc.
Suddenly when it happens in Gaza people decide to take notice.
You can argue Israel is being heavy handed in its response, but if we had a terrorist group on our doorstep that wanted to annihilate us, we’d all be doing the same.
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And many protested against those too. We saw Arsenal throw Ozil under the bus over that.
And Israel is the occupier. Resistance is allowed by the occupied. We just had an Israeli Politician talk about nuking Gaza so don't talk about annihilation when it's not just one side or group that wants that of the other.
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The protests are not to the same extent, nowhere near. Most of those protesting are peaceful but there has been an element that has called for jihad and the annihilation, and the police have bent over backwards to avoid having to confront it.
It’s actually shocked me the level of open anti-semitism I’ve seen in the last few weeks in London. I can understand why Jews would be terrified living in London and in major cities in the west.
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