comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Return of the despair squid (U2958)
posted 1 minute ago
Secondly, the protests so far haven't been about putting down weapons and agreeing a ceasefire. There have been banners and flags in support of Hamas, not Palestine, and the feeling s very much pro-Palestine, not anti-war.
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Is this a first hand account, or something you've digested via social media or one of the rags?
I was in Trafalgar Square on saturday (passing through, not demonstrating) and the protesters were very much about anti war and literally nothing about Hamas, death to jews or all the other clap trap that's been bandied about. I'm sure small elements of that thinking exist, but it's far, far from the central theme.
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I'd imagine it's a minority but there's plenty of content online.
To be honest I don't have a horse in this race. It's a conflict that's far too complex for most of us to really understand.
All I know if that if 1500 Britains were murdered in cold blood, women, children and all, we'd all be calling for a reaction.
IMO if the protest is for peace (and that's what I believe it is despite some hysteria) then having it on Armistice day, which celebrates the end of a conflict, is pretty appropriate.
It would send a powerful message to the whole world if people attending Remembrance Sunday also embraced the march for peace.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Return of the despair squid (U2958)
posted 1 minute ago
Secondly, the protests so far haven't been about putting down weapons and agreeing a ceasefire. There have been banners and flags in support of Hamas, not Palestine, and the feeling s very much pro-Palestine, not anti-war.
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Is this a first hand account, or something you've digested via social media or one of the rags?
I was in Trafalgar Square on saturday (passing through, not demonstrating) and the protesters were very much about anti war and literally nothing about Hamas, death to jews or all the other clap trap that's been bandied about. I'm sure small elements of that thinking exist, but it's far, far from the central theme.
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I'd imagine it's a minority but there's plenty of content online.
To be honest I don't have a horse in this race. It's a conflict that's far too complex for most of us to really understand.
All I know if that if 1500 Britains were murdered in cold blood, women, children and all, we'd all be calling for a reaction.
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Would that be the case if we were the ones who were killing the other group daily, occupied their land and pit those 1500 people there as settlers onto their land as a way to ethnically cleanse the land of the other group?
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 6 minutes ago
I will be attending one this weekend!
For me protests will be disgusting act against what armistice day is all about and an insult to the people we are remembering!
I really do hope that if any demonstration obstructs and of the services that the law comes down hard on with the new public order act and fine them the maximum they can
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I agree that the last thing our war dead would want is people trying to prevent more war. That is indeed extremely disrespectful and you make a LOT of sense.
Anyway, this has probably gone the way RDD has wanted. I'm going to leave it at that. It's a waste of time conversing with a known liar such as RDD
comment by Owen Beck (U1734)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Owen Beck (U1734)
posted 9 seconds ago
So what is your issue here RDD? You do not think people should ever protest against things they are not directly involved in? Or you do not think people should protest against war during a time when we remember people for dying in wars? Explain.
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I just don't want the remembrance service being over shadowed, especially by a protest in support of removing / harming people.
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Weird angle. Like if I was to say why are you remembering people who tried to remove/harm people? Unless of course the wars back in the day were in fact peaceful?
If it is to be overshadowed it will be because of your Tommy Robertson lot, not because of a protest. They are going there looking for a fight and inappropriately using our war dead as an excuse. So the protesters aren't the problem. You are for having an issue with it. Worrying it will kick off cos your lot can't control yourselves. You are a DISGRACE RDD.
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Look at the language you use here.
'Your lot'
'they'
Rembrance is a tradition honoured long before the protests began, so to suggest 'my lot' are using it as an excuse is just wrong.
You have clealry picked a side, where as I apportion blame on both sides.
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 2 minutes ago
I will be attending one this weekend!
For me protests will be disgusting act against what armistice day is all about and an insult to the people we are remembering!
I really do hope that if any demonstration obstructs and of the services that the law comes down hard on with the new public order act and fine them the maximum they can
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I don't think you know what armistice means.
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What are you on about idiot im well aware of what it means and it means to most of us in this country of ours!
And im not having it disrespected by mindless idiots like yourself
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 11 minutes ago
I will be attending one this weekend!
For me protests will be disgusting act against what armistice day is all about and an insult to the people we are remembering!
I really do hope that if any demonstration obstructs and of the services that the law comes down hard on with the new public order act and fine them the maximum they can
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Good man.
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 2 minutes ago
I will be attending one this weekend!
For me protests will be disgusting act against what armistice day is all about and an insult to the people we are remembering!
I really do hope that if any demonstration obstructs and of the services that the law comes down hard on with the new public order act and fine them the maximum they can
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I don't think you know what armistice means.
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What are you on about idiot im well aware of what it means and it means to most of us in this country of ours!
And im not having it disrespected by mindless idiots like yourself
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What does it mean?
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 5 minutes ago
IMO if the protest is for peace (and that's what I believe it is despite some hysteria) then having it on Armistice day, which celebrates the end of a conflict, is pretty appropriate.
It would send a powerful message to the whole world if people attending Remembrance Sunday also embraced the march for peace.
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Equally, wouldn't it have a hugely positive impact if the protesters wore poppy's and honoured the silence?
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Return of the despair squid (U2958)
posted 1 minute ago
Secondly, the protests so far haven't been about putting down weapons and agreeing a ceasefire. There have been banners and flags in support of Hamas, not Palestine, and the feeling s very much pro-Palestine, not anti-war.
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Is this a first hand account, or something you've digested via social media or one of the rags?
I was in Trafalgar Square on saturday (passing through, not demonstrating) and the protesters were very much about anti war and literally nothing about Hamas, death to jews or all the other clap trap that's been bandied about. I'm sure small elements of that thinking exist, but it's far, far from the central theme.
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I'd imagine it's a minority but there's plenty of content online.
To be honest I don't have a horse in this race. It's a conflict that's far too complex for most of us to really understand.
All I know if that if 1500 Britains were murdered in cold blood, women, children and all, we'd all be calling for a reaction.
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Would that be the case if we were the ones who were killing the other group daily, occupied their land and pit those 1500 people there as settlers onto their land as a way to ethnically cleanse the land of the other group?
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This didnt start October 7th. Israel is colonialist apartheid state.
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Return of the despair squid (U2958)
posted 1 minute ago
Secondly, the protests so far haven't been about putting down weapons and agreeing a ceasefire. There have been banners and flags in support of Hamas, not Palestine, and the feeling s very much pro-Palestine, not anti-war.
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Is this a first hand account, or something you've digested via social media or one of the rags?
I was in Trafalgar Square on saturday (passing through, not demonstrating) and the protesters were very much about anti war and literally nothing about Hamas, death to jews or all the other clap trap that's been bandied about. I'm sure small elements of that thinking exist, but it's far, far from the central theme.
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I'd imagine it's a minority but there's plenty of content online.
To be honest I don't have a horse in this race. It's a conflict that's far too complex for most of us to really understand.
All I know if that if 1500 Britains were murdered in cold blood, women, children and all, we'd all be calling for a reaction.
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Would that be the case if we were the ones who were killing the other group daily, occupied their land and pit those 1500 people there as settlers onto their land as a way to ethnically cleanse the land of the other group?
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This is the issue, when and where do you draw the line?
This is a conflict that has been ingrained into the population from generations past. Israelis will know people who have died at the hands of Palestine and Palestinian's will know people who died at the hands of Israel.
It isn't as simple as saying forgive and forget.
Anyway, as I said, if protests are peaceful and kept out of the way then fair enough.
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Return of the despair squid (U2958)
posted 13 minutes ago
Secondly, the protests so far haven't been about putting down weapons and agreeing a ceasefire. There have been banners and flags in support of Hamas, not Palestine, and the feeling s very much pro-Palestine, not anti-war.
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Is this a first hand account, or something you've digested via social media or one of the rags?
I was in Trafalgar Square on saturday (passing through, not demonstrating) and the protesters were very much about anti war and literally nothing about Hamas, death to jews or all the other clap trap that's been bandied about. I'm sure small elements of that thinking exist, but it's far, far from the central theme.
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Wouldn't the message be clearer if the signs said peace rather than supporting just 1 side?
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 2 minutes ago
I will be attending one this weekend!
For me protests will be disgusting act against what armistice day is all about and an insult to the people we are remembering!
I really do hope that if any demonstration obstructs and of the services that the law comes down hard on with the new public order act and fine them the maximum they can
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I don't think you know what armistice means.
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What are you on about idiot im well aware of what it means and it means to most of us in this country of ours!
And im not having it disrespected by mindless idiots like yourself
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I don't think you do. Have you tried googling it? It might make you rethink the incredible first sentence in your original post.
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Owen Beck (U1734)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Owen Beck (U1734)
posted 9 seconds ago
So what is your issue here RDD? You do not think people should ever protest against things they are not directly involved in? Or you do not think people should protest against war during a time when we remember people for dying in wars? Explain.
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I just don't want the remembrance service being over shadowed, especially by a protest in support of removing / harming people.
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Weird angle. Like if I was to say why are you remembering people who tried to remove/harm people? Unless of course the wars back in the day were in fact peaceful?
If it is to be overshadowed it will be because of your Tommy Robertson lot, not because of a protest. They are going there looking for a fight and inappropriately using our war dead as an excuse. So the protesters aren't the problem. You are for having an issue with it. Worrying it will kick off cos your lot can't control yourselves. You are a DISGRACE RDD.
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Look at the language you use here.
'Your lot'
'they'
Rembrance is a tradition honoured long before the protests began, so to suggest 'my lot' are using it as an excuse is just wrong.
You have clealry picked a side, where as I apportion blame on both sides.
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They want to go and beat up some brown people in the name of my family's war dead, essentially. Cos apparently that is respecting the war dead. And protesting for peace is disrespecting it.
comment by Owen Beck (U1734)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 2 minutes ago
I will be attending one this weekend!
For me protests will be disgusting act against what armistice day is all about and an insult to the people we are remembering!
I really do hope that if any demonstration obstructs and of the services that the law comes down hard on with the new public order act and fine them the maximum they can
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I don't think you know what armistice means.
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What are you on about idiot im well aware of what it means and it means to most of us in this country of ours!
And im not having it disrespected by mindless idiots like yourself
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What does it mean?
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So you don’t know then!
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 4 minutes ago
The protest is distasteful and going to divide the British public further, it's going to have the opposite of the desired effect (if the desired effect is to generate the British publics support of Palestine).
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Protesting against UK-backed war crimes is "distasteful" because some other people want to spend a few brief moments reflecting on the horror of war? That's your position?
If anything "divides" the public, it's those that are actively seeking to do so. Armistice Day is not only in *perfect harmony* with anti-war protests, but is frankly a much better way to honour the war dead than standing in silence for a minute and laying a wreath over people who perished decades ago. People are dying *right now*, which British support. That's infinitely more important than ceremonial platitudes.
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Firstly, you'll find I'm at the front of the queue when it comes criticism of our foreign policy.
Secondly, the protests so far haven't been about putting down weapons and agreeing a ceasefire. There have been banners and flags in support of Hamas, not Palestine, and the feeling s very much pro-Palestine, not anti-war.
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If you were genuinely "at the front of the queue", you'd be supporting the protests.
Why is flying a Hamas flag necessarily worse than flying an Israeli one or a British one? Israeli crimes dwarf anything remotely attributable to Hamas, and Britain's are orders of magnitude worse than Israel's in just the last 30 years alone. Point being... So what? Why is that the thing you want to focus on rather than the overwhelming opposition to the latest round of UK-backed Israeli war crimes? You mentioned 'divisive' narratives earlier, and yet you're a sucker for them evidently.
Nothing wrong with being pro-Palestine. Palestinians are the victim in the conflict. Israel is the aggressor and occupier. It's impossible for anyone serious to draw a meaningful distinction between 'anti-war' and 'pro-Palestine' under the existing circumstances.
Would or do I agree with the position of literally every protestor on this or other issues? Obviously not. But that's not how solidarity works. Solidarity almost always requires shelving differences and disputes in service to the bigger issue. So you get can hung up if you like on a Hamas flag or some vague notion of 'pro-Palestine vs anti-war' if you absolutely must, but you'd only be succumbing to the very diviseness you earlier warned against.
comment by Owen Beck (U1734)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Owen Beck (U1734)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Owen Beck (U1734)
posted 9 seconds ago
So what is your issue here RDD? You do not think people should ever protest against things they are not directly involved in? Or you do not think people should protest against war during a time when we remember people for dying in wars? Explain.
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I just don't want the remembrance service being over shadowed, especially by a protest in support of removing / harming people.
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Weird angle. Like if I was to say why are you remembering people who tried to remove/harm people? Unless of course the wars back in the day were in fact peaceful?
If it is to be overshadowed it will be because of your Tommy Robertson lot, not because of a protest. They are going there looking for a fight and inappropriately using our war dead as an excuse. So the protesters aren't the problem. You are for having an issue with it. Worrying it will kick off cos your lot can't control yourselves. You are a DISGRACE RDD.
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Look at the language you use here.
'Your lot'
'they'
Rembrance is a tradition honoured long before the protests began, so to suggest 'my lot' are using it as an excuse is just wrong.
You have clealry picked a side, where as I apportion blame on both sides.
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They want to go and beat up some brown people in the name of my family's war dead, essentially. Cos apparently that is respecting the war dead. And protesting for peace is disrespecting it.
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If that were to happen, I'd condemn it.
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by Owen Beck (U1734)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 2 minutes ago
I will be attending one this weekend!
For me protests will be disgusting act against what armistice day is all about and an insult to the people we are remembering!
I really do hope that if any demonstration obstructs and of the services that the law comes down hard on with the new public order act and fine them the maximum they can
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I don't think you know what armistice means.
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What are you on about idiot im well aware of what it means and it means to most of us in this country of ours!
And im not having it disrespected by mindless idiots like yourself
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What does it mean?
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So you don’t know then!
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So how would protests for peace be "against what armistice day is all about"? That's what we want explaining.
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 1 second ago
comment by Owen Beck (U1734)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Owen Beck (U1734)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Owen Beck (U1734)
posted 9 seconds ago
So what is your issue here RDD? You do not think people should ever protest against things they are not directly involved in? Or you do not think people should protest against war during a time when we remember people for dying in wars? Explain.
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I just don't want the remembrance service being over shadowed, especially by a protest in support of removing / harming people.
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Weird angle. Like if I was to say why are you remembering people who tried to remove/harm people? Unless of course the wars back in the day were in fact peaceful?
If it is to be overshadowed it will be because of your Tommy Robertson lot, not because of a protest. They are going there looking for a fight and inappropriately using our war dead as an excuse. So the protesters aren't the problem. You are for having an issue with it. Worrying it will kick off cos your lot can't control yourselves. You are a DISGRACE RDD.
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Look at the language you use here.
'Your lot'
'they'
Rembrance is a tradition honoured long before the protests began, so to suggest 'my lot' are using it as an excuse is just wrong.
You have clealry picked a side, where as I apportion blame on both sides.
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They want to go and beat up some brown people in the name of my family's war dead, essentially. Cos apparently that is respecting the war dead. And protesting for peace is disrespecting it.
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If that were to happen, I'd condemn it.
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So what would "cause" this disturbance that you are worried about then? The protesters presence or the right wing thugs having a problem with them and kicking off? Was going to do an analogy about short skirts and rape but remembered who I am talking to.
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posted 23 seconds ago
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 2 minutes ago
I will be attending one this weekend!
For me protests will be disgusting act against what armistice day is all about and an insult to the people we are remembering!
I really do hope that if any demonstration obstructs and of the services that the law comes down hard on with the new public order act and fine them the maximum they can
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I don't think you know what armistice means.
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What are you on about idiot im well aware of what it means and it means to most of us in this country of ours!
And im not having it disrespected by mindless idiots like yourself
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What does it mean?
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So you don’t know then!
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So how would protests for peace be "against what armistice day is all about"? That's what we want explaining.
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Ffs…you’re being pathetic! The agreement would never have been made it hadn’t been for our fallen heroes!
But if you want be a complete priick then go and join the protests with the other mindless idiots whilst I remember our heros of the past and some that i served with!
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posted 8 seconds ago
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posted 23 seconds ago
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 2 minutes ago
I will be attending one this weekend!
For me protests will be disgusting act against what armistice day is all about and an insult to the people we are remembering!
I really do hope that if any demonstration obstructs and of the services that the law comes down hard on with the new public order act and fine them the maximum they can
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I don't think you know what armistice means.
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What are you on about idiot im well aware of what it means and it means to most of us in this country of ours!
And im not having it disrespected by mindless idiots like yourself
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What does it mean?
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So you don’t know then!
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So how would protests for peace be "against what armistice day is all about"? That's what we want explaining.
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Ffs…you’re being pathetic! The agreement would never have been made it hadn’t been for our fallen heroes!
But if you want be a complete priick then go and join the protests with the other mindless idiots whilst I remember our heros of the past and some that i served with!
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It's okay if you don't know what armistice means you know, but it's probably better to steer clear of this subject until you do.
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posted 23 seconds ago
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 2 minutes ago
I will be attending one this weekend!
For me protests will be disgusting act against what armistice day is all about and an insult to the people we are remembering!
I really do hope that if any demonstration obstructs and of the services that the law comes down hard on with the new public order act and fine them the maximum they can
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I don't think you know what armistice means.
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What are you on about idiot im well aware of what it means and it means to most of us in this country of ours!
And im not having it disrespected by mindless idiots like yourself
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What does it mean?
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So you don’t know then!
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So how would protests for peace be "against what armistice day is all about"? That's what we want explaining.
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Ffs…you’re being pathetic! The agreement would never have been made it hadn’t been for our fallen heroes!
But if you want be a complete priick then go and join the protests with the other mindless idiots whilst I remember our heros of the past and some that i served with!
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How exactly are people mindless idiots for protesting against war and for peace? Are you saying that you want more war dead in the future instead of fewer? That is not very respectful to our future war dead.
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Ffs…you’re being pathetic! The agreement would never have been made it hadn’t been for our fallen heroes!
But if you want be a complete priick then go and join the protests with the other mindless idiots whilst I remember our heros of the past and some that i served with!
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"Remembering heros of the past is more urgent and vital than protesting against the ongoing slaughter of people right now"
- Mahatma Gandhi
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posted on 8/11/23
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Return of the despair squid (U2958)
posted 1 minute ago
Secondly, the protests so far haven't been about putting down weapons and agreeing a ceasefire. There have been banners and flags in support of Hamas, not Palestine, and the feeling s very much pro-Palestine, not anti-war.
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Is this a first hand account, or something you've digested via social media or one of the rags?
I was in Trafalgar Square on saturday (passing through, not demonstrating) and the protesters were very much about anti war and literally nothing about Hamas, death to jews or all the other clap trap that's been bandied about. I'm sure small elements of that thinking exist, but it's far, far from the central theme.
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I'd imagine it's a minority but there's plenty of content online.
To be honest I don't have a horse in this race. It's a conflict that's far too complex for most of us to really understand.
All I know if that if 1500 Britains were murdered in cold blood, women, children and all, we'd all be calling for a reaction.
posted on 8/11/23
IMO if the protest is for peace (and that's what I believe it is despite some hysteria) then having it on Armistice day, which celebrates the end of a conflict, is pretty appropriate.
It would send a powerful message to the whole world if people attending Remembrance Sunday also embraced the march for peace.
posted on 8/11/23
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Return of the despair squid (U2958)
posted 1 minute ago
Secondly, the protests so far haven't been about putting down weapons and agreeing a ceasefire. There have been banners and flags in support of Hamas, not Palestine, and the feeling s very much pro-Palestine, not anti-war.
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Is this a first hand account, or something you've digested via social media or one of the rags?
I was in Trafalgar Square on saturday (passing through, not demonstrating) and the protesters were very much about anti war and literally nothing about Hamas, death to jews or all the other clap trap that's been bandied about. I'm sure small elements of that thinking exist, but it's far, far from the central theme.
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I'd imagine it's a minority but there's plenty of content online.
To be honest I don't have a horse in this race. It's a conflict that's far too complex for most of us to really understand.
All I know if that if 1500 Britains were murdered in cold blood, women, children and all, we'd all be calling for a reaction.
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Would that be the case if we were the ones who were killing the other group daily, occupied their land and pit those 1500 people there as settlers onto their land as a way to ethnically cleanse the land of the other group?
posted on 8/11/23
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 6 minutes ago
I will be attending one this weekend!
For me protests will be disgusting act against what armistice day is all about and an insult to the people we are remembering!
I really do hope that if any demonstration obstructs and of the services that the law comes down hard on with the new public order act and fine them the maximum they can
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I agree that the last thing our war dead would want is people trying to prevent more war. That is indeed extremely disrespectful and you make a LOT of sense.
posted on 8/11/23
Anyway, this has probably gone the way RDD has wanted. I'm going to leave it at that. It's a waste of time conversing with a known liar such as RDD
posted on 8/11/23
comment by Owen Beck (U1734)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Owen Beck (U1734)
posted 9 seconds ago
So what is your issue here RDD? You do not think people should ever protest against things they are not directly involved in? Or you do not think people should protest against war during a time when we remember people for dying in wars? Explain.
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I just don't want the remembrance service being over shadowed, especially by a protest in support of removing / harming people.
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Weird angle. Like if I was to say why are you remembering people who tried to remove/harm people? Unless of course the wars back in the day were in fact peaceful?
If it is to be overshadowed it will be because of your Tommy Robertson lot, not because of a protest. They are going there looking for a fight and inappropriately using our war dead as an excuse. So the protesters aren't the problem. You are for having an issue with it. Worrying it will kick off cos your lot can't control yourselves. You are a DISGRACE RDD.
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Look at the language you use here.
'Your lot'
'they'
Rembrance is a tradition honoured long before the protests began, so to suggest 'my lot' are using it as an excuse is just wrong.
You have clealry picked a side, where as I apportion blame on both sides.
posted on 8/11/23
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 2 minutes ago
I will be attending one this weekend!
For me protests will be disgusting act against what armistice day is all about and an insult to the people we are remembering!
I really do hope that if any demonstration obstructs and of the services that the law comes down hard on with the new public order act and fine them the maximum they can
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I don't think you know what armistice means.
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What are you on about idiot im well aware of what it means and it means to most of us in this country of ours!
And im not having it disrespected by mindless idiots like yourself
posted on 8/11/23
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 11 minutes ago
I will be attending one this weekend!
For me protests will be disgusting act against what armistice day is all about and an insult to the people we are remembering!
I really do hope that if any demonstration obstructs and of the services that the law comes down hard on with the new public order act and fine them the maximum they can
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Good man.
posted on 8/11/23
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 2 minutes ago
I will be attending one this weekend!
For me protests will be disgusting act against what armistice day is all about and an insult to the people we are remembering!
I really do hope that if any demonstration obstructs and of the services that the law comes down hard on with the new public order act and fine them the maximum they can
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I don't think you know what armistice means.
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What are you on about idiot im well aware of what it means and it means to most of us in this country of ours!
And im not having it disrespected by mindless idiots like yourself
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What does it mean?
posted on 8/11/23
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 5 minutes ago
IMO if the protest is for peace (and that's what I believe it is despite some hysteria) then having it on Armistice day, which celebrates the end of a conflict, is pretty appropriate.
It would send a powerful message to the whole world if people attending Remembrance Sunday also embraced the march for peace.
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Equally, wouldn't it have a hugely positive impact if the protesters wore poppy's and honoured the silence?
posted on 8/11/23
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Return of the despair squid (U2958)
posted 1 minute ago
Secondly, the protests so far haven't been about putting down weapons and agreeing a ceasefire. There have been banners and flags in support of Hamas, not Palestine, and the feeling s very much pro-Palestine, not anti-war.
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Is this a first hand account, or something you've digested via social media or one of the rags?
I was in Trafalgar Square on saturday (passing through, not demonstrating) and the protesters were very much about anti war and literally nothing about Hamas, death to jews or all the other clap trap that's been bandied about. I'm sure small elements of that thinking exist, but it's far, far from the central theme.
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I'd imagine it's a minority but there's plenty of content online.
To be honest I don't have a horse in this race. It's a conflict that's far too complex for most of us to really understand.
All I know if that if 1500 Britains were murdered in cold blood, women, children and all, we'd all be calling for a reaction.
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Would that be the case if we were the ones who were killing the other group daily, occupied their land and pit those 1500 people there as settlers onto their land as a way to ethnically cleanse the land of the other group?
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This didnt start October 7th. Israel is colonialist apartheid state.
posted on 8/11/23
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Return of the despair squid (U2958)
posted 1 minute ago
Secondly, the protests so far haven't been about putting down weapons and agreeing a ceasefire. There have been banners and flags in support of Hamas, not Palestine, and the feeling s very much pro-Palestine, not anti-war.
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Is this a first hand account, or something you've digested via social media or one of the rags?
I was in Trafalgar Square on saturday (passing through, not demonstrating) and the protesters were very much about anti war and literally nothing about Hamas, death to jews or all the other clap trap that's been bandied about. I'm sure small elements of that thinking exist, but it's far, far from the central theme.
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I'd imagine it's a minority but there's plenty of content online.
To be honest I don't have a horse in this race. It's a conflict that's far too complex for most of us to really understand.
All I know if that if 1500 Britains were murdered in cold blood, women, children and all, we'd all be calling for a reaction.
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Would that be the case if we were the ones who were killing the other group daily, occupied their land and pit those 1500 people there as settlers onto their land as a way to ethnically cleanse the land of the other group?
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This is the issue, when and where do you draw the line?
This is a conflict that has been ingrained into the population from generations past. Israelis will know people who have died at the hands of Palestine and Palestinian's will know people who died at the hands of Israel.
It isn't as simple as saying forgive and forget.
Anyway, as I said, if protests are peaceful and kept out of the way then fair enough.
posted on 8/11/23
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Return of the despair squid (U2958)
posted 13 minutes ago
Secondly, the protests so far haven't been about putting down weapons and agreeing a ceasefire. There have been banners and flags in support of Hamas, not Palestine, and the feeling s very much pro-Palestine, not anti-war.
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Is this a first hand account, or something you've digested via social media or one of the rags?
I was in Trafalgar Square on saturday (passing through, not demonstrating) and the protesters were very much about anti war and literally nothing about Hamas, death to jews or all the other clap trap that's been bandied about. I'm sure small elements of that thinking exist, but it's far, far from the central theme.
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Wouldn't the message be clearer if the signs said peace rather than supporting just 1 side?
posted on 8/11/23
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 2 minutes ago
I will be attending one this weekend!
For me protests will be disgusting act against what armistice day is all about and an insult to the people we are remembering!
I really do hope that if any demonstration obstructs and of the services that the law comes down hard on with the new public order act and fine them the maximum they can
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I don't think you know what armistice means.
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What are you on about idiot im well aware of what it means and it means to most of us in this country of ours!
And im not having it disrespected by mindless idiots like yourself
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I don't think you do. Have you tried googling it? It might make you rethink the incredible first sentence in your original post.
posted on 8/11/23
Well, second sentence
posted on 8/11/23
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Owen Beck (U1734)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Owen Beck (U1734)
posted 9 seconds ago
So what is your issue here RDD? You do not think people should ever protest against things they are not directly involved in? Or you do not think people should protest against war during a time when we remember people for dying in wars? Explain.
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I just don't want the remembrance service being over shadowed, especially by a protest in support of removing / harming people.
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Weird angle. Like if I was to say why are you remembering people who tried to remove/harm people? Unless of course the wars back in the day were in fact peaceful?
If it is to be overshadowed it will be because of your Tommy Robertson lot, not because of a protest. They are going there looking for a fight and inappropriately using our war dead as an excuse. So the protesters aren't the problem. You are for having an issue with it. Worrying it will kick off cos your lot can't control yourselves. You are a DISGRACE RDD.
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Look at the language you use here.
'Your lot'
'they'
Rembrance is a tradition honoured long before the protests began, so to suggest 'my lot' are using it as an excuse is just wrong.
You have clealry picked a side, where as I apportion blame on both sides.
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They want to go and beat up some brown people in the name of my family's war dead, essentially. Cos apparently that is respecting the war dead. And protesting for peace is disrespecting it.
posted on 8/11/23
comment by Owen Beck (U1734)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 2 minutes ago
I will be attending one this weekend!
For me protests will be disgusting act against what armistice day is all about and an insult to the people we are remembering!
I really do hope that if any demonstration obstructs and of the services that the law comes down hard on with the new public order act and fine them the maximum they can
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't think you know what armistice means.
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What are you on about idiot im well aware of what it means and it means to most of us in this country of ours!
And im not having it disrespected by mindless idiots like yourself
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What does it mean?
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So you don’t know then!
posted on 8/11/23
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 4 minutes ago
The protest is distasteful and going to divide the British public further, it's going to have the opposite of the desired effect (if the desired effect is to generate the British publics support of Palestine).
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Protesting against UK-backed war crimes is "distasteful" because some other people want to spend a few brief moments reflecting on the horror of war? That's your position?
If anything "divides" the public, it's those that are actively seeking to do so. Armistice Day is not only in *perfect harmony* with anti-war protests, but is frankly a much better way to honour the war dead than standing in silence for a minute and laying a wreath over people who perished decades ago. People are dying *right now*, which British support. That's infinitely more important than ceremonial platitudes.
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Firstly, you'll find I'm at the front of the queue when it comes criticism of our foreign policy.
Secondly, the protests so far haven't been about putting down weapons and agreeing a ceasefire. There have been banners and flags in support of Hamas, not Palestine, and the feeling s very much pro-Palestine, not anti-war.
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If you were genuinely "at the front of the queue", you'd be supporting the protests.
Why is flying a Hamas flag necessarily worse than flying an Israeli one or a British one? Israeli crimes dwarf anything remotely attributable to Hamas, and Britain's are orders of magnitude worse than Israel's in just the last 30 years alone. Point being... So what? Why is that the thing you want to focus on rather than the overwhelming opposition to the latest round of UK-backed Israeli war crimes? You mentioned 'divisive' narratives earlier, and yet you're a sucker for them evidently.
Nothing wrong with being pro-Palestine. Palestinians are the victim in the conflict. Israel is the aggressor and occupier. It's impossible for anyone serious to draw a meaningful distinction between 'anti-war' and 'pro-Palestine' under the existing circumstances.
Would or do I agree with the position of literally every protestor on this or other issues? Obviously not. But that's not how solidarity works. Solidarity almost always requires shelving differences and disputes in service to the bigger issue. So you get can hung up if you like on a Hamas flag or some vague notion of 'pro-Palestine vs anti-war' if you absolutely must, but you'd only be succumbing to the very diviseness you earlier warned against.
posted on 8/11/23
comment by Owen Beck (U1734)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Owen Beck (U1734)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Owen Beck (U1734)
posted 9 seconds ago
So what is your issue here RDD? You do not think people should ever protest against things they are not directly involved in? Or you do not think people should protest against war during a time when we remember people for dying in wars? Explain.
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I just don't want the remembrance service being over shadowed, especially by a protest in support of removing / harming people.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Weird angle. Like if I was to say why are you remembering people who tried to remove/harm people? Unless of course the wars back in the day were in fact peaceful?
If it is to be overshadowed it will be because of your Tommy Robertson lot, not because of a protest. They are going there looking for a fight and inappropriately using our war dead as an excuse. So the protesters aren't the problem. You are for having an issue with it. Worrying it will kick off cos your lot can't control yourselves. You are a DISGRACE RDD.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Look at the language you use here.
'Your lot'
'they'
Rembrance is a tradition honoured long before the protests began, so to suggest 'my lot' are using it as an excuse is just wrong.
You have clealry picked a side, where as I apportion blame on both sides.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They want to go and beat up some brown people in the name of my family's war dead, essentially. Cos apparently that is respecting the war dead. And protesting for peace is disrespecting it.
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If that were to happen, I'd condemn it.
posted on 8/11/23
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by Owen Beck (U1734)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 2 minutes ago
I will be attending one this weekend!
For me protests will be disgusting act against what armistice day is all about and an insult to the people we are remembering!
I really do hope that if any demonstration obstructs and of the services that the law comes down hard on with the new public order act and fine them the maximum they can
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't think you know what armistice means.
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What are you on about idiot im well aware of what it means and it means to most of us in this country of ours!
And im not having it disrespected by mindless idiots like yourself
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What does it mean?
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So you don’t know then!
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So how would protests for peace be "against what armistice day is all about"? That's what we want explaining.
posted on 8/11/23
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 1 second ago
comment by Owen Beck (U1734)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Owen Beck (U1734)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Owen Beck (U1734)
posted 9 seconds ago
So what is your issue here RDD? You do not think people should ever protest against things they are not directly involved in? Or you do not think people should protest against war during a time when we remember people for dying in wars? Explain.
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I just don't want the remembrance service being over shadowed, especially by a protest in support of removing / harming people.
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Weird angle. Like if I was to say why are you remembering people who tried to remove/harm people? Unless of course the wars back in the day were in fact peaceful?
If it is to be overshadowed it will be because of your Tommy Robertson lot, not because of a protest. They are going there looking for a fight and inappropriately using our war dead as an excuse. So the protesters aren't the problem. You are for having an issue with it. Worrying it will kick off cos your lot can't control yourselves. You are a DISGRACE RDD.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Look at the language you use here.
'Your lot'
'they'
Rembrance is a tradition honoured long before the protests began, so to suggest 'my lot' are using it as an excuse is just wrong.
You have clealry picked a side, where as I apportion blame on both sides.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They want to go and beat up some brown people in the name of my family's war dead, essentially. Cos apparently that is respecting the war dead. And protesting for peace is disrespecting it.
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If that were to happen, I'd condemn it.
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So what would "cause" this disturbance that you are worried about then? The protesters presence or the right wing thugs having a problem with them and kicking off? Was going to do an analogy about short skirts and rape but remembered who I am talking to.
posted on 8/11/23
comment by Owen Beck (U1734)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by Owen Beck (U1734)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 2 minutes ago
I will be attending one this weekend!
For me protests will be disgusting act against what armistice day is all about and an insult to the people we are remembering!
I really do hope that if any demonstration obstructs and of the services that the law comes down hard on with the new public order act and fine them the maximum they can
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't think you know what armistice means.
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What are you on about idiot im well aware of what it means and it means to most of us in this country of ours!
And im not having it disrespected by mindless idiots like yourself
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What does it mean?
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So you don’t know then!
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So how would protests for peace be "against what armistice day is all about"? That's what we want explaining.
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Ffs…you’re being pathetic! The agreement would never have been made it hadn’t been for our fallen heroes!
But if you want be a complete priick then go and join the protests with the other mindless idiots whilst I remember our heros of the past and some that i served with!
posted on 8/11/23
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Owen Beck (U1734)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by Owen Beck (U1734)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 2 minutes ago
I will be attending one this weekend!
For me protests will be disgusting act against what armistice day is all about and an insult to the people we are remembering!
I really do hope that if any demonstration obstructs and of the services that the law comes down hard on with the new public order act and fine them the maximum they can
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I don't think you know what armistice means.
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What are you on about idiot im well aware of what it means and it means to most of us in this country of ours!
And im not having it disrespected by mindless idiots like yourself
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What does it mean?
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So you don’t know then!
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So how would protests for peace be "against what armistice day is all about"? That's what we want explaining.
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Ffs…you’re being pathetic! The agreement would never have been made it hadn’t been for our fallen heroes!
But if you want be a complete priick then go and join the protests with the other mindless idiots whilst I remember our heros of the past and some that i served with!
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It's okay if you don't know what armistice means you know, but it's probably better to steer clear of this subject until you do.
posted on 8/11/23
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Owen Beck (U1734)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by Owen Beck (U1734)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 2 minutes ago
I will be attending one this weekend!
For me protests will be disgusting act against what armistice day is all about and an insult to the people we are remembering!
I really do hope that if any demonstration obstructs and of the services that the law comes down hard on with the new public order act and fine them the maximum they can
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't think you know what armistice means.
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What are you on about idiot im well aware of what it means and it means to most of us in this country of ours!
And im not having it disrespected by mindless idiots like yourself
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What does it mean?
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So you don’t know then!
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So how would protests for peace be "against what armistice day is all about"? That's what we want explaining.
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Ffs…you’re being pathetic! The agreement would never have been made it hadn’t been for our fallen heroes!
But if you want be a complete priick then go and join the protests with the other mindless idiots whilst I remember our heros of the past and some that i served with!
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How exactly are people mindless idiots for protesting against war and for peace? Are you saying that you want more war dead in the future instead of fewer? That is not very respectful to our future war dead.
posted on 8/11/23
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
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Ffs…you’re being pathetic! The agreement would never have been made it hadn’t been for our fallen heroes!
But if you want be a complete priick then go and join the protests with the other mindless idiots whilst I remember our heros of the past and some that i served with!
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"Remembering heros of the past is more urgent and vital than protesting against the ongoing slaughter of people right now"
- Mahatma Gandhi
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