Btw the film 1917 on BBC1 just now. One of the best war films. Just don't have any thoughts about being anti war/genocide whilst watching though as that would be disrespectful.
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Tommy Robinson back on the scene now is he? I thought he disappeared to prison or something.
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He’s back even worse than ever. Elon Musk even reinstated his twitter account the other day.
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Musk is a Zionist puppet like many others
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Those fallen heroes that fought for our freedoms would be, after living and fighting through what they did, marching for a ceasefire.
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Yeah im sure our fallen heroes would love a good hate march!
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Out of interest, Mahatma666, are *all* British soldiers who have died automatically considered 'heroes', irrespective of which war they died in?
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In their families eyes most likely!
A guy I served with lost his life in afghan trying to get one of our injured lads back to a medevac, both died!
Were either of them heroes? What would you say?
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Our invasion & occupation of Afghanistan was a monstrosity that included countless war crimes, resulted in the excess deaths of at least 200,000 people, put millions of people at serious risk of starvation (which thankfully didn't come to pass), ushered in a deeply corrupt government, saw the return of war lords and then the eventual return of the Taliban anyway. All of which was inflicted upon a country with one of the highest infant mortality rates in the world, was bitterly opposed by the aid agencies, bitterly opposed by anti-Taliban opposition inside Afghanistan, bitterly opposed by 1,000 tribal elders & others in Peshawar and could have been avoided had the US taken seriously the Taliban's *multiple* offers to extradite 9/11 suspects and/or try Bin Laden or extradite him to a neutral country - all ignored in favour of a major show of force & a quest to bring the country into the US-subservient domain in the region. The invasion was grossly unjustified by the US, let alone the UK.
So no, I don't consider participants in the horror brought upon Afghanistan to be "heroes", even if you can find acts of bravery among the invading army.
Now can you try again to answer my question, this time without caveats you think are favourable?
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I don't know how to explain what a brilliant comment this is.
Apparently they were doing it to keep the world safe.
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Those fallen heroes that fought for our freedoms would be, after living and fighting through what they did, marching for a ceasefire.
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Yeah im sure our fallen heroes would love a good hate march!
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Out of interest, Mahatma666, are *all* British soldiers who have died automatically considered 'heroes', irrespective of which war they died in?
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In their families eyes most likely!
A guy I served with lost his life in afghan trying to get one of our injured lads back to a medevac, both died!
Were either of them heroes? What would you say?
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Our invasion & occupation of Afghanistan was a monstrosity that included countless war crimes, resulted in the excess deaths of at least 200,000 people, put millions of people at serious risk of starvation (which thankfully didn't come to pass), ushered in a deeply corrupt government, saw the return of war lords and then the eventual return of the Taliban anyway. All of which was inflicted upon a country with one of the highest infant mortality rates in the world, was bitterly opposed by the aid agencies, bitterly opposed by anti-Taliban opposition inside Afghanistan, bitterly opposed by 1,000 tribal elders & others in Peshawar and could have been avoided had the US taken seriously the Taliban's *multiple* offers to extradite 9/11 suspects and/or try Bin Laden or extradite him to a neutral country - all ignored in favour of a major show of force & a quest to bring the country into the US-subservient domain in the region. The invasion was grossly unjustified by the US, let alone the UK.
So no, I don't consider participants in the horror brought upon Afghanistan to be "heroes", even if you can find acts of bravery among the invading army.
Now can you try again to answer my question, this time without caveats you think are favourable?
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You said it all with “ I don’t consider” who the feck are you and your opinion!
Ask their families if they think they’re heroes
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1. Who am I? I'm the one you asked the following; "What would you say?"
None of the things I typed were opinions. Do you consider Russian soldiers in Ukraine to be heroes too then? I'm sure their family members do, which is all that matters, right? Or is there some more objective criteria we might like to use?
2. There's a reason we don't put family members of the victim on a jury at court...Think about it.
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“None of the things i type are were my opinions”
“I don’t consider” you did say “I” didn’t you? is that not your opinion?
Russian, German, isreali and so on their family members may look at their family members as heroes!
As they’re all pawns in these political chess games, however when they have the chance to remember them, they should be able to do so in peace without disturbances which could bring the risk of violence or hate crimes!
You’re obviously not bothered though
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What I said about Afghanistan was not an opinion, and that is what I was obviously referring to when I pointed out it wasn't opinion. I'm pretty sure that was obvious to anyone else reading.
Forget family members. I'm asking you (for the second time, seeing as you're dodging the question for obvious reasons); are Russian troops in Ukraine heroes *in your view*?
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I think what you should ask is do I agree with what Russia are doing I don’t, do i agree what’s going on in Palestinian? No!
Like I said the soldiers are pawns in these political chess games and once your in the service you have very little choice, Russia still have conscription, Israel have conscription with some religious guidelines!
These guys dont chose to join so in some ways they are heroes yes! And in years to come should they be allowed to be REMEMBERED in peace then yes!
Am I grateful for what our veterans and fallen heroes did for back in the day yes i am and I believe they should be remembered respectfully without protests going on!
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Those fallen heroes that fought for our freedoms would be, after living and fighting through what they did, marching for a ceasefire.
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Yeah im sure our fallen heroes would love a good hate march!
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Out of interest, Mahatma666, are *all* British soldiers who have died automatically considered 'heroes', irrespective of which war they died in?
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In their families eyes most likely!
A guy I served with lost his life in afghan trying to get one of our injured lads back to a medevac, both died!
Were either of them heroes? What would you say?
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Our invasion & occupation of Afghanistan was a monstrosity that included countless war crimes, resulted in the excess deaths of at least 200,000 people, put millions of people at serious risk of starvation (which thankfully didn't come to pass), ushered in a deeply corrupt government, saw the return of war lords and then the eventual return of the Taliban anyway. All of which was inflicted upon a country with one of the highest infant mortality rates in the world, was bitterly opposed by the aid agencies, bitterly opposed by anti-Taliban opposition inside Afghanistan, bitterly opposed by 1,000 tribal elders & others in Peshawar and could have been avoided had the US taken seriously the Taliban's *multiple* offers to extradite 9/11 suspects and/or try Bin Laden or extradite him to a neutral country - all ignored in favour of a major show of force & a quest to bring the country into the US-subservient domain in the region. The invasion was grossly unjustified by the US, let alone the UK.
So no, I don't consider participants in the horror brought upon Afghanistan to be "heroes", even if you can find acts of bravery among the invading army.
Now can you try again to answer my question, this time without caveats you think are favourable?
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You said it all with “ I don’t consider” who the feck are you and your opinion!
Ask their families if they think they’re heroes
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1. Who am I? I'm the one you asked the following; "What would you say?"
None of the things I typed were opinions. Do you consider Russian soldiers in Ukraine to be heroes too then? I'm sure their family members do, which is all that matters, right? Or is there some more objective criteria we might like to use?
2. There's a reason we don't put family members of the victim on a jury at court...Think about it.
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“None of the things i type are were my opinions”
“I don’t consider” you did say “I” didn’t you? is that not your opinion?
Russian, German, isreali and so on their family members may look at their family members as heroes!
As they’re all pawns in these political chess games, however when they have the chance to remember them, they should be able to do so in peace without disturbances which could bring the risk of violence or hate crimes!
You’re obviously not bothered though
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What I said about Afghanistan was not an opinion, and that is what I was obviously referring to when I pointed out it wasn't opinion. I'm pretty sure that was obvious to anyone else reading.
Forget family members. I'm asking you (for the second time, seeing as you're dodging the question for obvious reasons); are Russian troops in Ukraine heroes *in your view*?
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I think what you should ask is do I agree with what Russia are doing I don’t, do i agree what’s going on in Palestinian? No!
Like I said the soldiers are pawns in these political chess games and once your in the service you have very little choice, Russia still have conscription, Israel have conscription with some religious guidelines!
These guys dont chose to join so in some ways they are heroes yes! And in years to come should they be allowed to be REMEMBERED in peace then yes!
Am I grateful for what our veterans and fallen heroes did for back in the day yes i am and I believe they should be remembered respectfully without protests going on!
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BerbaKing - I don’t think I understand your questioning here. Heroism is subjective. I’m sure the nzi soldiers were considered heroes and those that fought against clearly wouldn’t think of them as heroes. So what is your point?
Soldiers are just following orders and putting their lives on the line for their country’s government or monarchy. It is not for them to judge whether the cause is just or not, this is their job.
But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath
a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and
arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join
together at the latter day and cry all 'We died at
such a place;' some swearing, some crying for a
surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind
them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their
children rawly left. I am afeard there are few die
well that die in a battle; for how can they
charitably dispose of any thing, when blood is their
argument? Now, if these men do not die well, it
will be a black matter for the king that led them to
it; whom to disobey were against all proportion of
subjection.
Henry V, Act IV Sc. I
I hope this opens a few people's eyes. Uk, America, Europe and some arab states want the Palestinians gone from northern Gaza and its simply about money. Palestine lives dont matter as money is more important.
Also empathises why we hate and attack Russia/Iran etc not saying they're the good guys btw but no one imo is worse than the racist apartheid regime called Israel and their unbelievable right wing government and their evil agenda to ethnically cleanse a people supported mainly by America and UK.
People need to protest and the government inc the evil Suella B (married to a zionist btw) has tried to stir up trouble as public opinion is shifting towards a ceasefire which means UK may have to stop publically supporting GENOCIDE sorry I mean the war against Hamas. She's banking on trouble this weekend by EDL/right wing etc so public opinion matches the agenda. Calling a protest to essentially call for a ceasefire that 200 odd countries have applied for in the UN a hate march is clearly a see through attempt at pitting the public against each other to distract people and hide the real truth and reality are that CIVILIAN BABIES ARE BEING RUTHLESSLY MURDERED EVERYDAY.
A peaceful way in which the average law abiding citizen of the uk can protest against war is being demonised because it just happens to fall on Armistice weekend and possibly a handful of idiots which is common place at ANY protest may cause problems. Throw the book at THEM not the march.
The protests have been every Saturday and are getting bigger and bigger. Yes the British public is amazing 👏 they see the real truth and don't just follow the narrative
Watch this please, its about money and power and support of Colonisers
https://www.facebook.com/100094280043075/posts/pfbid0zP6tDp8uMTHMockk3xy8aAhG1qAjPrhjWyHmf1hD8wMesnKjSGtZyp65dRAHA7AFl/
This whole situation has been cooked up by the government to distract from the covid report.. It's as transparent as RDD's article, yet a large percent of this country gobble it up.
If blood is shed, this weekend, it's very much on the government's hands... Most notably Braverman's. Disgusting human.
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posted 57 seconds ago
This whole situation has been cooked up by the government to distract from the covid report.. It's as transparent as RDD's article, yet a large percent of this country gobble it up.
If blood is shed, this weekend, it's very much on the government's hands... Most notably Braverman's. Disgusting human.
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Depends how things play out.
If the Tommy Robinson types stay at Whitehall and the Palestinian protestors don’t go anywhere near Whitehall then there probably won’t be any problems.
If however the TR types go looking for protestors or protestors go looking for TR types around Whitehall then there will be trouble and the blame will lie on those who started it.
What people like you simply do not accept or understand is that for some people, a lot of people in this country, delaying this latest protest for one weekend would show a lot more respect and would actually garner a lot more support.
You talk about disgusting human when referring to Braverman but there’s been plenty of disgusting humans within the protests which you conveniently do not mention.
Never thought I'd see the day when a Tory Home Secretary accuses the MET of not being Right Wing enough in their policing policy in London.
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Never thought I'd see the day when a Tory Home Secretary accuses the MET of not being Right Wing enough in their policing policy in London.
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Do you think it is acceptable that people can shout from a megaphone calling for the rpe of Jewish mothers & daughters and get away with no charges whatsoever?
Braverman attacking the Police now, a police force that the Tories have wilfully and chronically underfunded for years.
She really is the very worst of us and it blows my mind that people like RDD gobble up her rhetoric.
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What people like you simply do not accept or understand is that for some people, a lot of people in this country, delaying this latest protest for one weekend would show a lot more respect and would actually garner a lot more support.
You talk about disgusting human when referring to Braverman but there’s been plenty of disgusting humans within the protests which you conveniently do not mention.
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Because that was not the point i was making.
It's always whataboutism and inventing scenarios with you guys, isn't it?
Sat Nav up early, straight on the drugs and chatting sh!t online AGAIN.
Have a day off you blurt.
Just for the record... and this shouldn't have to be said, but thick unts like Sat Nav prey on this stuff.
- Hamas are scccum
- Anyone supporting what Hamas did last month are scccum.
- Anti semitism is disgusting and has no place in our society.
- The free Palestine cause undoubtedly has some bad actors within it.
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comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 16 seconds ago
Never thought I'd see the day when a Tory Home Secretary accuses the MET of not being Right Wing enough in their policing policy in London.
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Do you think it is acceptable that people can shout from a megaphone calling for the rpe of Jewish mothers & daughters and get away with no charges whatsoever?
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No more than posting on social media that airstikes of civiiian people is an appropriate reponse to the situation.
Sat Nav is hilarious. Imagine defending genocide just because he has feelings for right wingers who will never love him back.
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Return of the despair squid (U2958)
posted 1 minute ago
Just for the record... and this shouldn't have to be said, but thickunts like Sat Nav prey on this stuff.
- Hamas are scccum
- Anyone supporting what Hamas did last month are scccum.
- Anti semitism is disgusting and has no place in our society.
- The free Palestine cause undoubtedly has some bad actors within it.
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You’ve probably just blown his mind as that wasn’t in his script
I would love if he or RDD or anyone who thinks the Daily Mail is propa journalism come along to a march his weekend. They might meet some interesting people and have some great convos.
Weirdly I don’t think that would be the same at a Tommy Robinson march
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Return of the despair squid (U2958)
posted 2 minutes ago
Just for the record... and this shouldn't have to be said, but thickunts like Sat Nav prey on this stuff.
- Hamas are scccum
- Anyone supporting what Hamas did last month are scccum.
- Anti semitism is disgusting and has no place in our society.
- The free Palestine cause undoubtedly has some bad actors within it.
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Wow you’re a polite chap aren’t you?
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Never thought I'd see the day when a Tory Home Secretary accuses the MET of not being Right Wing enough in their policing policy in London.
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Do you think it is acceptable that people can shout from a megaphone calling for the rpe of Jewish mothers & daughters and get away with no charges whatsoever?
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No more than posting on social media that airstikes of civiiian people is an appropriate reponse to the situation.
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Apparently it’s only the right that employs ‘whataboutism’
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Sat Nav is hilarious. Imagine defending genocide just because he has feelings for right wingers who will never love him back.
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He's an utter clown and jncrefibly arrogant which us quite heady mix.
He was calling Mamba a baby murderer not do long ago, and yet feels he is the moral arbiter of 606 and can call people out for not being polite
Surprised admin has let him come tinge posting tbh but he writes that much sh!t he's probably good for traffic.
Absolute clown.
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Never thought I'd see the day when a Tory Home Secretary accuses the MET of not being Right Wing enough in their policing policy in London.
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Do you think it is acceptable that people can shout from a megaphone calling for the rpe of Jewish mothers & daughters and get away with no charges whatsoever?
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No more than posting on social media that airstikes of civiiian people is an appropriate reponse to the situation.
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Apparently it’s only the right that employs ‘whataboutism’
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No one said that though, did they?
Keep inventing scenarios though bro, makes you seem super smart.
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comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
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Never thought I'd see the day when a Tory Home Secretary accuses the MET of not being Right Wing enough in their policing policy in London.
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Do you think it is acceptable that people can shout from a megaphone calling for the rpe of Jewish mothers & daughters and get away with no charges whatsoever?
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No more than posting on social media that airstikes of civiiian people is an appropriate reponse to the situation.
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Apparently it’s only the right that employs ‘whataboutism’
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No one said that though, did they?
Keep inventing scenarios though bro, makes you seem super smart.
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It's always whataboutism and inventing scenarios with you guys, isn't it?
Close enough you pedant
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Btw the film 1917 on BBC1 just now. One of the best war films. Just don't have any thoughts about being anti war/genocide whilst watching though as that would be disrespectful.
posted on 8/11/23
comment by Robb - Glenn Maxwell. Legend. Hero. Icon. (U22716)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 48 seconds ago
Tommy Robinson back on the scene now is he? I thought he disappeared to prison or something.
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He’s back even worse than ever. Elon Musk even reinstated his twitter account the other day.
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Musk is a Zionist puppet like many others
posted on 9/11/23
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comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
Those fallen heroes that fought for our freedoms would be, after living and fighting through what they did, marching for a ceasefire.
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Yeah im sure our fallen heroes would love a good hate march!
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Out of interest, Mahatma666, are *all* British soldiers who have died automatically considered 'heroes', irrespective of which war they died in?
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In their families eyes most likely!
A guy I served with lost his life in afghan trying to get one of our injured lads back to a medevac, both died!
Were either of them heroes? What would you say?
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Our invasion & occupation of Afghanistan was a monstrosity that included countless war crimes, resulted in the excess deaths of at least 200,000 people, put millions of people at serious risk of starvation (which thankfully didn't come to pass), ushered in a deeply corrupt government, saw the return of war lords and then the eventual return of the Taliban anyway. All of which was inflicted upon a country with one of the highest infant mortality rates in the world, was bitterly opposed by the aid agencies, bitterly opposed by anti-Taliban opposition inside Afghanistan, bitterly opposed by 1,000 tribal elders & others in Peshawar and could have been avoided had the US taken seriously the Taliban's *multiple* offers to extradite 9/11 suspects and/or try Bin Laden or extradite him to a neutral country - all ignored in favour of a major show of force & a quest to bring the country into the US-subservient domain in the region. The invasion was grossly unjustified by the US, let alone the UK.
So no, I don't consider participants in the horror brought upon Afghanistan to be "heroes", even if you can find acts of bravery among the invading army.
Now can you try again to answer my question, this time without caveats you think are favourable?
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I don't know how to explain what a brilliant comment this is.
Apparently they were doing it to keep the world safe.
posted on 9/11/23
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Those fallen heroes that fought for our freedoms would be, after living and fighting through what they did, marching for a ceasefire.
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Yeah im sure our fallen heroes would love a good hate march!
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Out of interest, Mahatma666, are *all* British soldiers who have died automatically considered 'heroes', irrespective of which war they died in?
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In their families eyes most likely!
A guy I served with lost his life in afghan trying to get one of our injured lads back to a medevac, both died!
Were either of them heroes? What would you say?
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Our invasion & occupation of Afghanistan was a monstrosity that included countless war crimes, resulted in the excess deaths of at least 200,000 people, put millions of people at serious risk of starvation (which thankfully didn't come to pass), ushered in a deeply corrupt government, saw the return of war lords and then the eventual return of the Taliban anyway. All of which was inflicted upon a country with one of the highest infant mortality rates in the world, was bitterly opposed by the aid agencies, bitterly opposed by anti-Taliban opposition inside Afghanistan, bitterly opposed by 1,000 tribal elders & others in Peshawar and could have been avoided had the US taken seriously the Taliban's *multiple* offers to extradite 9/11 suspects and/or try Bin Laden or extradite him to a neutral country - all ignored in favour of a major show of force & a quest to bring the country into the US-subservient domain in the region. The invasion was grossly unjustified by the US, let alone the UK.
So no, I don't consider participants in the horror brought upon Afghanistan to be "heroes", even if you can find acts of bravery among the invading army.
Now can you try again to answer my question, this time without caveats you think are favourable?
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You said it all with “ I don’t consider” who the feck are you and your opinion!
Ask their families if they think they’re heroes
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1. Who am I? I'm the one you asked the following; "What would you say?"
None of the things I typed were opinions. Do you consider Russian soldiers in Ukraine to be heroes too then? I'm sure their family members do, which is all that matters, right? Or is there some more objective criteria we might like to use?
2. There's a reason we don't put family members of the victim on a jury at court...Think about it.
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“None of the things i type are were my opinions”
“I don’t consider” you did say “I” didn’t you? is that not your opinion?
Russian, German, isreali and so on their family members may look at their family members as heroes!
As they’re all pawns in these political chess games, however when they have the chance to remember them, they should be able to do so in peace without disturbances which could bring the risk of violence or hate crimes!
You’re obviously not bothered though
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What I said about Afghanistan was not an opinion, and that is what I was obviously referring to when I pointed out it wasn't opinion. I'm pretty sure that was obvious to anyone else reading.
Forget family members. I'm asking you (for the second time, seeing as you're dodging the question for obvious reasons); are Russian troops in Ukraine heroes *in your view*?
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I think what you should ask is do I agree with what Russia are doing I don’t, do i agree what’s going on in Palestinian? No!
Like I said the soldiers are pawns in these political chess games and once your in the service you have very little choice, Russia still have conscription, Israel have conscription with some religious guidelines!
These guys dont chose to join so in some ways they are heroes yes! And in years to come should they be allowed to be REMEMBERED in peace then yes!
Am I grateful for what our veterans and fallen heroes did for back in the day yes i am and I believe they should be remembered respectfully without protests going on!
posted on 9/11/23
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Those fallen heroes that fought for our freedoms would be, after living and fighting through what they did, marching for a ceasefire.
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Yeah im sure our fallen heroes would love a good hate march!
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Out of interest, Mahatma666, are *all* British soldiers who have died automatically considered 'heroes', irrespective of which war they died in?
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In their families eyes most likely!
A guy I served with lost his life in afghan trying to get one of our injured lads back to a medevac, both died!
Were either of them heroes? What would you say?
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Our invasion & occupation of Afghanistan was a monstrosity that included countless war crimes, resulted in the excess deaths of at least 200,000 people, put millions of people at serious risk of starvation (which thankfully didn't come to pass), ushered in a deeply corrupt government, saw the return of war lords and then the eventual return of the Taliban anyway. All of which was inflicted upon a country with one of the highest infant mortality rates in the world, was bitterly opposed by the aid agencies, bitterly opposed by anti-Taliban opposition inside Afghanistan, bitterly opposed by 1,000 tribal elders & others in Peshawar and could have been avoided had the US taken seriously the Taliban's *multiple* offers to extradite 9/11 suspects and/or try Bin Laden or extradite him to a neutral country - all ignored in favour of a major show of force & a quest to bring the country into the US-subservient domain in the region. The invasion was grossly unjustified by the US, let alone the UK.
So no, I don't consider participants in the horror brought upon Afghanistan to be "heroes", even if you can find acts of bravery among the invading army.
Now can you try again to answer my question, this time without caveats you think are favourable?
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You said it all with “ I don’t consider” who the feck are you and your opinion!
Ask their families if they think they’re heroes
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1. Who am I? I'm the one you asked the following; "What would you say?"
None of the things I typed were opinions. Do you consider Russian soldiers in Ukraine to be heroes too then? I'm sure their family members do, which is all that matters, right? Or is there some more objective criteria we might like to use?
2. There's a reason we don't put family members of the victim on a jury at court...Think about it.
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“None of the things i type are were my opinions”
“I don’t consider” you did say “I” didn’t you? is that not your opinion?
Russian, German, isreali and so on their family members may look at their family members as heroes!
As they’re all pawns in these political chess games, however when they have the chance to remember them, they should be able to do so in peace without disturbances which could bring the risk of violence or hate crimes!
You’re obviously not bothered though
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What I said about Afghanistan was not an opinion, and that is what I was obviously referring to when I pointed out it wasn't opinion. I'm pretty sure that was obvious to anyone else reading.
Forget family members. I'm asking you (for the second time, seeing as you're dodging the question for obvious reasons); are Russian troops in Ukraine heroes *in your view*?
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I think what you should ask is do I agree with what Russia are doing I don’t, do i agree what’s going on in Palestinian? No!
Like I said the soldiers are pawns in these political chess games and once your in the service you have very little choice, Russia still have conscription, Israel have conscription with some religious guidelines!
These guys dont chose to join so in some ways they are heroes yes! And in years to come should they be allowed to be REMEMBERED in peace then yes!
Am I grateful for what our veterans and fallen heroes did for back in the day yes i am and I believe they should be remembered respectfully without protests going on!
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BerbaKing - I don’t think I understand your questioning here. Heroism is subjective. I’m sure the nzi soldiers were considered heroes and those that fought against clearly wouldn’t think of them as heroes. So what is your point?
Soldiers are just following orders and putting their lives on the line for their country’s government or monarchy. It is not for them to judge whether the cause is just or not, this is their job.
posted on 9/11/23
But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath
a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and
arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join
together at the latter day and cry all 'We died at
such a place;' some swearing, some crying for a
surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind
them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their
children rawly left. I am afeard there are few die
well that die in a battle; for how can they
charitably dispose of any thing, when blood is their
argument? Now, if these men do not die well, it
will be a black matter for the king that led them to
it; whom to disobey were against all proportion of
subjection.
Henry V, Act IV Sc. I
posted on 9/11/23
I hope this opens a few people's eyes. Uk, America, Europe and some arab states want the Palestinians gone from northern Gaza and its simply about money. Palestine lives dont matter as money is more important.
Also empathises why we hate and attack Russia/Iran etc not saying they're the good guys btw but no one imo is worse than the racist apartheid regime called Israel and their unbelievable right wing government and their evil agenda to ethnically cleanse a people supported mainly by America and UK.
People need to protest and the government inc the evil Suella B (married to a zionist btw) has tried to stir up trouble as public opinion is shifting towards a ceasefire which means UK may have to stop publically supporting GENOCIDE sorry I mean the war against Hamas. She's banking on trouble this weekend by EDL/right wing etc so public opinion matches the agenda. Calling a protest to essentially call for a ceasefire that 200 odd countries have applied for in the UN a hate march is clearly a see through attempt at pitting the public against each other to distract people and hide the real truth and reality are that CIVILIAN BABIES ARE BEING RUTHLESSLY MURDERED EVERYDAY.
A peaceful way in which the average law abiding citizen of the uk can protest against war is being demonised because it just happens to fall on Armistice weekend and possibly a handful of idiots which is common place at ANY protest may cause problems. Throw the book at THEM not the march.
The protests have been every Saturday and are getting bigger and bigger. Yes the British public is amazing 👏 they see the real truth and don't just follow the narrative
Watch this please, its about money and power and support of Colonisers
https://www.facebook.com/100094280043075/posts/pfbid0zP6tDp8uMTHMockk3xy8aAhG1qAjPrhjWyHmf1hD8wMesnKjSGtZyp65dRAHA7AFl/
posted on 9/11/23
This whole situation has been cooked up by the government to distract from the covid report.. It's as transparent as RDD's article, yet a large percent of this country gobble it up.
If blood is shed, this weekend, it's very much on the government's hands... Most notably Braverman's. Disgusting human.
posted on 9/11/23
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Return of the despair squid (U2958)
posted 57 seconds ago
This whole situation has been cooked up by the government to distract from the covid report.. It's as transparent as RDD's article, yet a large percent of this country gobble it up.
If blood is shed, this weekend, it's very much on the government's hands... Most notably Braverman's. Disgusting human.
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Depends how things play out.
If the Tommy Robinson types stay at Whitehall and the Palestinian protestors don’t go anywhere near Whitehall then there probably won’t be any problems.
If however the TR types go looking for protestors or protestors go looking for TR types around Whitehall then there will be trouble and the blame will lie on those who started it.
What people like you simply do not accept or understand is that for some people, a lot of people in this country, delaying this latest protest for one weekend would show a lot more respect and would actually garner a lot more support.
You talk about disgusting human when referring to Braverman but there’s been plenty of disgusting humans within the protests which you conveniently do not mention.
posted on 9/11/23
Never thought I'd see the day when a Tory Home Secretary accuses the MET of not being Right Wing enough in their policing policy in London.
posted on 9/11/23
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 16 seconds ago
Never thought I'd see the day when a Tory Home Secretary accuses the MET of not being Right Wing enough in their policing policy in London.
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Do you think it is acceptable that people can shout from a megaphone calling for the rpe of Jewish mothers & daughters and get away with no charges whatsoever?
posted on 9/11/23
Braverman attacking the Police now, a police force that the Tories have wilfully and chronically underfunded for years.
She really is the very worst of us and it blows my mind that people like RDD gobble up her rhetoric.
posted on 9/11/23
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
What people like you simply do not accept or understand is that for some people, a lot of people in this country, delaying this latest protest for one weekend would show a lot more respect and would actually garner a lot more support.
You talk about disgusting human when referring to Braverman but there’s been plenty of disgusting humans within the protests which you conveniently do not mention.
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Because that was not the point i was making.
It's always whataboutism and inventing scenarios with you guys, isn't it?
posted on 9/11/23
Sat Nav up early, straight on the drugs and chatting sh!t online AGAIN.
Have a day off you blurt.
posted on 9/11/23
Just for the record... and this shouldn't have to be said, but thick unts like Sat Nav prey on this stuff.
- Hamas are scccum
- Anyone supporting what Hamas did last month are scccum.
- Anti semitism is disgusting and has no place in our society.
- The free Palestine cause undoubtedly has some bad actors within it.
posted on 9/11/23
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 16 seconds ago
Never thought I'd see the day when a Tory Home Secretary accuses the MET of not being Right Wing enough in their policing policy in London.
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Do you think it is acceptable that people can shout from a megaphone calling for the rpe of Jewish mothers & daughters and get away with no charges whatsoever?
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No more than posting on social media that airstikes of civiiian people is an appropriate reponse to the situation.
posted on 9/11/23
Sat Nav is hilarious. Imagine defending genocide just because he has feelings for right wingers who will never love him back.
posted on 9/11/23
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Return of the despair squid (U2958)
posted 1 minute ago
Just for the record... and this shouldn't have to be said, but thickunts like Sat Nav prey on this stuff.
- Hamas are scccum
- Anyone supporting what Hamas did last month are scccum.
- Anti semitism is disgusting and has no place in our society.
- The free Palestine cause undoubtedly has some bad actors within it.
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You’ve probably just blown his mind as that wasn’t in his script
posted on 9/11/23
I would love if he or RDD or anyone who thinks the Daily Mail is propa journalism come along to a march his weekend. They might meet some interesting people and have some great convos.
Weirdly I don’t think that would be the same at a Tommy Robinson march
posted on 9/11/23
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Return of the despair squid (U2958)
posted 2 minutes ago
Just for the record... and this shouldn't have to be said, but thickunts like Sat Nav prey on this stuff.
- Hamas are scccum
- Anyone supporting what Hamas did last month are scccum.
- Anti semitism is disgusting and has no place in our society.
- The free Palestine cause undoubtedly has some bad actors within it.
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Wow you’re a polite chap aren’t you?
posted on 9/11/23
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 16 seconds ago
Never thought I'd see the day when a Tory Home Secretary accuses the MET of not being Right Wing enough in their policing policy in London.
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Do you think it is acceptable that people can shout from a megaphone calling for the rpe of Jewish mothers & daughters and get away with no charges whatsoever?
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No more than posting on social media that airstikes of civiiian people is an appropriate reponse to the situation.
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Apparently it’s only the right that employs ‘whataboutism’
posted on 9/11/23
comment by Robb - Glenn Maxwell. Legend. Hero. Icon. (U22716)
posted 3 minutes ago
Sat Nav is hilarious. Imagine defending genocide just because he has feelings for right wingers who will never love him back.
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He's an utter clown and jncrefibly arrogant which us quite heady mix.
He was calling Mamba a baby murderer not do long ago, and yet feels he is the moral arbiter of 606 and can call people out for not being polite
Surprised admin has let him come tinge posting tbh but he writes that much sh!t he's probably good for traffic.
Absolute clown.
posted on 9/11/23
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 16 seconds ago
Never thought I'd see the day when a Tory Home Secretary accuses the MET of not being Right Wing enough in their policing policy in London.
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Do you think it is acceptable that people can shout from a megaphone calling for the rpe of Jewish mothers & daughters and get away with no charges whatsoever?
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No more than posting on social media that airstikes of civiiian people is an appropriate reponse to the situation.
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Apparently it’s only the right that employs ‘whataboutism’
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No one said that though, did they?
Keep inventing scenarios though bro, makes you seem super smart.
posted on 9/11/23
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Return of the despair squid (U2958)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 16 seconds ago
Never thought I'd see the day when a Tory Home Secretary accuses the MET of not being Right Wing enough in their policing policy in London.
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Do you think it is acceptable that people can shout from a megaphone calling for the rpe of Jewish mothers & daughters and get away with no charges whatsoever?
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No more than posting on social media that airstikes of civiiian people is an appropriate reponse to the situation.
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Apparently it’s only the right that employs ‘whataboutism’
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No one said that though, did they?
Keep inventing scenarios though bro, makes you seem super smart.
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It's always whataboutism and inventing scenarios with you guys, isn't it?
Close enough you pedant
posted on 9/11/23
My god you are dumb
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