comment by Garnacho cheese (U5318)
posted 26 minutes ago
These remembrance days are becoming more and more irrelevant as we learn how much governments, and the people with power in the world give so little fecks about everyday people, whether civilian or military. All they care about is their macro chess games, power, and the zero's in their bank accounts. We are just pwns to them.
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Then as now. Millions of people lost their lives for exactly this reason.
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 20 minutes ago
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posted 45 seconds ago
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posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
Those fallen heroes that fought for our freedoms would be, after living and fighting through what they did, marching for a ceasefire.
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Yeah im sure our fallen heroes would love a good hate march!
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Out of interest, Mahatma666, are *all* British soldiers who have died automatically considered 'heroes', irrespective of which war they died in?
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In their families eyes most likely!
A guy I served with lost his life in afghan trying to get one of our injured lads back to a medevac, both died!
Were either of them heroes? What would you say?
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Our invasion & occupation of Afghanistan was a monstrosity that included countless war crimes, resulted in the excess deaths of at least 200,000 people, put millions of people at serious risk of starvation (which thankfully didn't come to pass), ushered in a deeply corrupt government, saw the return of war lords and then the eventual return of the Taliban anyway. All of which was inflicted upon a country with one of the highest infant mortality rates in the world, was bitterly opposed by the aid agencies, bitterly opposed by anti-Taliban opposition inside Afghanistan, bitterly opposed by 1,000 tribal elders & others in Peshawar and could have been avoided had the US taken seriously the Taliban's *multiple* offers to extradite 9/11 suspects and/or try Bin Laden or extradite him to a neutral country - all ignored in favour of a major show of force & a quest to bring the country into the US-subservient domain in the region. The invasion was grossly unjustified by the US, let alone the UK.
So no, I don't consider participants in the horror brought upon Afghanistan to be "heroes", even if you can find acts of bravery among the invading army.
Now can you try again to answer my question, this time without caveats you think are favourable?
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Am I allowed to write 'head shot'?
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 53 minutes ago
The problem with all these demonstrations is that they are likely to descend into adults physically fighting - which is what got us here in the first place. In this case though it’s even more distasteful as it’s a load cushy middle aged Brits fighting each other over which side of the conflict they sit whilst Israeli children are shot in their beds and beheaded and Palestinian children are bombed into smithereens.
I despair at humanity in general
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👍 Iam with you this one strike humans butchering humans been going on since pre history , if only we take that macho evil greedy gene 🧬 out humans
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
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comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
Those fallen heroes that fought for our freedoms would be, after living and fighting through what they did, marching for a ceasefire.
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Yeah im sure our fallen heroes would love a good hate march!
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Out of interest, Mahatma666, are *all* British soldiers who have died automatically considered 'heroes', irrespective of which war they died in?
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In their families eyes most likely!
A guy I served with lost his life in afghan trying to get one of our injured lads back to a medevac, both died!
Were either of them heroes? What would you say?
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Our invasion & occupation of Afghanistan was a monstrosity that included countless war crimes, resulted in the excess deaths of at least 200,000 people, put millions of people at serious risk of starvation (which thankfully didn't come to pass), ushered in a deeply corrupt government, saw the return of war lords and then the eventual return of the Taliban anyway. All of which was inflicted upon a country with one of the highest infant mortality rates in the world, was bitterly opposed by the aid agencies, bitterly opposed by anti-Taliban opposition inside Afghanistan, bitterly opposed by 1,000 tribal elders & others in Peshawar and could have been avoided had the US taken seriously the Taliban's *multiple* offers to extradite 9/11 suspects and/or try Bin Laden or extradite him to a neutral country - all ignored in favour of a major show of force & a quest to bring the country into the US-subservient domain in the region. The invasion was grossly unjustified by the US, let alone the UK.
So no, I don't consider participants in the horror brought upon Afghanistan to be "heroes", even if you can find acts of bravery among the invading army.
Now can you try again to answer my question, this time without caveats you think are favourable?
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Am I allowed to write 'head shot'?
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Might give him ptsd.
“ Why is flying a Hamas flag necessarily worse than flying an Israeli one or a British one? Israeli crimes dwarf anything remotely attributable to Hamas”
Because you’re confusing a political regime with its people, flying a British flag isn’t flying a Tory.
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
Those fallen heroes that fought for our freedoms would be, after living and fighting through what they did, marching for a ceasefire.
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Yeah im sure our fallen heroes would love a good hate march!
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Don't be that ignoramus, I'm sure you know it's a march against hate.
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We’ll see! The Met are concerned as they’ve said “ risk of violence and disorder linked to breakaway groups is growing” in a statement this wk but you ignore that and what it would mean this wkend!
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There's been 2 or 3 saturday marches already, 100s of thousands on the streets, peacefully protesting, less trouble than your average football Saturday, I'm sure the cops can cope with a few rogues.
Don't let that stop you wanting trouble though.
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 2 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by Owen Beck (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
The way people perceive and participate in Remembrance Sunday can be influenced by cultural and societal factors. In some cases, those with more conservative or traditional values may have a stronger presence in Remembrance Sunday events, which can contribute to the perception of it as a right-wing tradition. Conversely, left-leaning individuals may emphasise peace and anti-war sentiments during remembrance events.
Anti war protests should be an integral part of remembrance Sunday anyway, not just because of the current events.
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But these protests are about freeing Palestine from Israel, in other words, removing the Jews from Palestine, which won't be achieved peacefully.
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Won't be achieved, full stop
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
Those fallen heroes that fought for our freedoms would be, after living and fighting through what they did, marching for a ceasefire.
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Yeah im sure our fallen heroes would love a good hate march!
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Out of interest, Mahatma666, are *all* British soldiers who have died automatically considered 'heroes', irrespective of which war they died in?
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In their families eyes most likely!
A guy I served with lost his life in afghan trying to get one of our injured lads back to a medevac, both died!
Were either of them heroes? What would you say?
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Our invasion & occupation of Afghanistan was a monstrosity that included countless war crimes, resulted in the excess deaths of at least 200,000 people, put millions of people at serious risk of starvation (which thankfully didn't come to pass), ushered in a deeply corrupt government, saw the return of war lords and then the eventual return of the Taliban anyway. All of which was inflicted upon a country with one of the highest infant mortality rates in the world, was bitterly opposed by the aid agencies, bitterly opposed by anti-Taliban opposition inside Afghanistan, bitterly opposed by 1,000 tribal elders & others in Peshawar and could have been avoided had the US taken seriously the Taliban's *multiple* offers to extradite 9/11 suspects and/or try Bin Laden or extradite him to a neutral country - all ignored in favour of a major show of force & a quest to bring the country into the US-subservient domain in the region. The invasion was grossly unjustified by the US, let alone the UK.
So no, I don't consider participants in the horror brought upon Afghanistan to be "heroes", even if you can find acts of bravery among the invading army.
Now can you try again to answer my question, this time without caveats you think are favourable?
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Where did you get the 200k innocent deaths from? Only numbers i ever saw were around 50k
Ceasefire now!!!
That's all.
comment by Cinciwolf----Old Trafford record attendance.....WOLVES V GRIMSBY. .......lolz (U11551)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 2 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by Owen Beck (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
The way people perceive and participate in Remembrance Sunday can be influenced by cultural and societal factors. In some cases, those with more conservative or traditional values may have a stronger presence in Remembrance Sunday events, which can contribute to the perception of it as a right-wing tradition. Conversely, left-leaning individuals may emphasise peace and anti-war sentiments during remembrance events.
Anti war protests should be an integral part of remembrance Sunday anyway, not just because of the current events.
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But these protests are about freeing Palestine from Israel, in other words, removing the Jews from Palestine, which won't be achieved peacefully.
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Won't be achieved, full stop
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People forget why Jewish people wanted a land of their own. Prejudice against Jews didn’t start and end with the holocaust, it goes way back and it was going on in the Middle East too, with many Jews fled other Arab nations to now Israel.
Like any race, religious or territorial group that has been oppressed in the past, Jewish people have a chip on their shoulder.
Everyone can be accommadated. Pay your respects and march for peace in the middle east.
Simple.
comment by Cinciwolf----Old Trafford record attendance.....WOLVES V GRIMSBY. .......lolz (U11551)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
Those fallen heroes that fought for our freedoms would be, after living and fighting through what they did, marching for a ceasefire.
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Yeah im sure our fallen heroes would love a good hate march!
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Out of interest, Mahatma666, are *all* British soldiers who have died automatically considered 'heroes', irrespective of which war they died in?
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In their families eyes most likely!
A guy I served with lost his life in afghan trying to get one of our injured lads back to a medevac, both died!
Were either of them heroes? What would you say?
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Our invasion & occupation of Afghanistan was a monstrosity that included countless war crimes, resulted in the excess deaths of at least 200,000 people, put millions of people at serious risk of starvation (which thankfully didn't come to pass), ushered in a deeply corrupt government, saw the return of war lords and then the eventual return of the Taliban anyway. All of which was inflicted upon a country with one of the highest infant mortality rates in the world, was bitterly opposed by the aid agencies, bitterly opposed by anti-Taliban opposition inside Afghanistan, bitterly opposed by 1,000 tribal elders & others in Peshawar and could have been avoided had the US taken seriously the Taliban's *multiple* offers to extradite 9/11 suspects and/or try Bin Laden or extradite him to a neutral country - all ignored in favour of a major show of force & a quest to bring the country into the US-subservient domain in the region. The invasion was grossly unjustified by the US, let alone the UK.
So no, I don't consider participants in the horror brought upon Afghanistan to be "heroes", even if you can find acts of bravery among the invading army.
Now can you try again to answer my question, this time without caveats you think are favourable?
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Where did you get the 200k innocent deaths from? Only numbers i ever saw were around 50k
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I said *excess* deaths:
https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/costs/human/civilians/afghan#:~:text=Nearly%20every%20factor%20associated%20with,Afghanistan%2FPakistan%20warzone%20since%202001.
comment by LukaBrasi Ange-r management (U22178)
posted 20 minutes ago
Everyone can be accommadated. Pay your respects and march for peace in the middle east.
Simple.
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The march is 2.5 hours after the service and is in different part of London. You could technically attend both if you wanted to.
It's just the media whipping up a storm again and then hoping it makes something happen so they can report on it.
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
Those fallen heroes that fought for our freedoms would be, after living and fighting through what they did, marching for a ceasefire.
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Yeah im sure our fallen heroes would love a good hate march!
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Out of interest, Mahatma666, are *all* British soldiers who have died automatically considered 'heroes', irrespective of which war they died in?
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In their families eyes most likely!
A guy I served with lost his life in afghan trying to get one of our injured lads back to a medevac, both died!
Were either of them heroes? What would you say?
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Our invasion & occupation of Afghanistan was a monstrosity that included countless war crimes, resulted in the excess deaths of at least 200,000 people, put millions of people at serious risk of starvation (which thankfully didn't come to pass), ushered in a deeply corrupt government, saw the return of war lords and then the eventual return of the Taliban anyway. All of which was inflicted upon a country with one of the highest infant mortality rates in the world, was bitterly opposed by the aid agencies, bitterly opposed by anti-Taliban opposition inside Afghanistan, bitterly opposed by 1,000 tribal elders & others in Peshawar and could have been avoided had the US taken seriously the Taliban's *multiple* offers to extradite 9/11 suspects and/or try Bin Laden or extradite him to a neutral country - all ignored in favour of a major show of force & a quest to bring the country into the US-subservient domain in the region. The invasion was grossly unjustified by the US, let alone the UK.
So no, I don't consider participants in the horror brought upon Afghanistan to be "heroes", even if you can find acts of bravery among the invading army.
Now can you try again to answer my question, this time without caveats you think are favourable?
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You said it all with “ I don’t consider” who the feck are you and your opinion!
Ask their families if they think they’re heroes a lot of people didn’t agree why we went into Afghanistan but we did we were pawns and as soldiers you don’t get a lot of choice but you know what we were there fighting for each other!
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 36 minutes ago
“ Why is flying a Hamas flag necessarily worse than flying an Israeli one or a British one? Israeli crimes dwarf anything remotely attributable to Hamas”
Because you’re confusing a political regime with its people, flying a British flag isn’t flying a Tory.
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I'm not confusing anything, but you're forgetting *context*. When apologists for Israel fly Israeli flags, as they have done over the past few weeks, they're often doing it as a show of support for the military action being carried out (or at the very least, they risk that inference).
The IDF operate under the banner of the state, and don't (to my knowledge), have their own insignia. Hence jingoistic, militaristic support can be displayed simply under the national flag. But the IDF (as the British military) do carry out international terrorism as per our very own definition of the term (UK Terror Act 2000). So flying Israeli flags in support of Israel's offensive is de facto support for terrorism. If the IDF had their own unique flag, you'd have seen it being flown about in the last few weeks instead of or as well as.
So sure, you can hang a Union Jack out of your window randomly for whatever odd reason you choose and that in and of itself wouldn't tell us you support UK aggression or who you vote for. It depends on context. If you did it in the middle of the Olympic games we can reasonable deduce the intention and meaning. If you did it during the first weeks of October 2001 or March 2003 however...
Which brings us back to Hamas flags. There's definitely ignorance - I've encountered it directly when engaging with 3 protestors in Bristol a couple weeks or so ago. But there's also a strand of belief - not unreasonable - that Hamas are the ground resistance to Israel's aggression. Hamas *are* Palestinians, most of them born into an open air concentration camp, and they they're entitled to armed resistance. They were also elected in 2006 under circumstances recognised as free and fair by international monitors. They are - whether we like them or not - the incumbent governing organisation in Gaza. It's not entirely unreasonable to not draw a distinction between the legitimacy of the resistance from a moral & legal perspective, and support for the group at the forefront of that resistance in the context of wider Palestinian liberation in Gaza.
But sure, if you think the sight of the odd flag you don't like should be grounds by which to condemn the wider movement then not only do you not understand or grasp collective solidarity but as I said, you're a sucker for the kind of divisive nonsense you yourself warned against.
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comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
Those fallen heroes that fought for our freedoms would be, after living and fighting through what they did, marching for a ceasefire.
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Yeah im sure our fallen heroes would love a good hate march!
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Out of interest, Mahatma666, are *all* British soldiers who have died automatically considered 'heroes', irrespective of which war they died in?
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In their families eyes most likely!
A guy I served with lost his life in afghan trying to get one of our injured lads back to a medevac, both died!
Were either of them heroes? What would you say?
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Our invasion & occupation of Afghanistan was a monstrosity that included countless war crimes, resulted in the excess deaths of at least 200,000 people, put millions of people at serious risk of starvation (which thankfully didn't come to pass), ushered in a deeply corrupt government, saw the return of war lords and then the eventual return of the Taliban anyway. All of which was inflicted upon a country with one of the highest infant mortality rates in the world, was bitterly opposed by the aid agencies, bitterly opposed by anti-Taliban opposition inside Afghanistan, bitterly opposed by 1,000 tribal elders & others in Peshawar and could have been avoided had the US taken seriously the Taliban's *multiple* offers to extradite 9/11 suspects and/or try Bin Laden or extradite him to a neutral country - all ignored in favour of a major show of force & a quest to bring the country into the US-subservient domain in the region. The invasion was grossly unjustified by the US, let alone the UK.
So no, I don't consider participants in the horror brought upon Afghanistan to be "heroes", even if you can find acts of bravery among the invading army.
Now can you try again to answer my question, this time without caveats you think are favourable?
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You said it all with “ I don’t consider” who the feck are you and your opinion!
Ask their families if they think they’re heroes
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1. Who am I? I'm the one you asked the following; "What would you say?"
None of the things I typed were opinions. Do you consider Russian soldiers in Ukraine to be heroes too then? I'm sure their family members do, which is all that matters, right? Or is there some more objective criteria we might like to use?
2. There's a reason we don't put family members of the victim on a jury at court...Think about it.
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comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
Those fallen heroes that fought for our freedoms would be, after living and fighting through what they did, marching for a ceasefire.
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Yeah im sure our fallen heroes would love a good hate march!
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Out of interest, Mahatma666, are *all* British soldiers who have died automatically considered 'heroes', irrespective of which war they died in?
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In their families eyes most likely!
A guy I served with lost his life in afghan trying to get one of our injured lads back to a medevac, both died!
Were either of them heroes? What would you say?
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Our invasion & occupation of Afghanistan was a monstrosity that included countless war crimes, resulted in the excess deaths of at least 200,000 people, put millions of people at serious risk of starvation (which thankfully didn't come to pass), ushered in a deeply corrupt government, saw the return of war lords and then the eventual return of the Taliban anyway. All of which was inflicted upon a country with one of the highest infant mortality rates in the world, was bitterly opposed by the aid agencies, bitterly opposed by anti-Taliban opposition inside Afghanistan, bitterly opposed by 1,000 tribal elders & others in Peshawar and could have been avoided had the US taken seriously the Taliban's *multiple* offers to extradite 9/11 suspects and/or try Bin Laden or extradite him to a neutral country - all ignored in favour of a major show of force & a quest to bring the country into the US-subservient domain in the region. The invasion was grossly unjustified by the US, let alone the UK.
So no, I don't consider participants in the horror brought upon Afghanistan to be "heroes", even if you can find acts of bravery among the invading army.
Now can you try again to answer my question, this time without caveats you think are favourable?
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You said it all with “ I don’t consider” who the feck are you and your opinion!
Ask their families if they think they’re heroes
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1. Who am I? I'm the one you asked the following; "What would you say?"
None of the things I typed were opinions. Do you consider Russian soldiers in Ukraine to be heroes too then? I'm sure their family members do, which is all that matters, right? Or is there some more objective criteria we might like to use?
2. There's a reason we don't put family members of the victim on a jury at court...Think about it.
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“None of the things i type are were my opinions”
“I don’t consider” you did say “I” didn’t you? is that not your opinion?
Russian, German, isreali and so on their family members may look at their family members as heroes!
As they’re all pawns in these political chess games, however when they have the chance to remember them, they should be able to do so in peace without disturbances which could bring the risk of violence or hate crimes!
You’re obviously not bothered though
Generally the people who label the marches this weekend as a bad thing are usually the racist or ignorant type who care more about maintaining a yearly tradition that at the end of the day achieves nothing meaningful by remembering the dead if they allow deaths from war to keep continuing around the world. Especially a genocide where children are being killed in their thousands.
And moreso, they’re people who haven’t been on any of these marches which if they had they’d see it’s not a hate march at all. It’s literally people who are frustrated to see a cycle of brown people being slaughtered with help from the west keep happening with no end in sight. I’ve been to three marches and will be at one this weekend and that is a far more important and meaningful way to spend my time than doing a two minute silence and pretending that we can’t as a nation come together and end the bloodshed in Gaza by putting huge pressure on our western governments to stop allowing Israel to get away with murder while they continue to kill and steal even more land in the pretence of ‘defending themselves’.
Here’s an idea Israel, if you want to defend yourselves maybe just fortify your defences instead of murdering thousands of kids.
May I add, if you wanna see a real hate march just look at what Tommy Robinson and his thick, ugly and racist bunch of merry men are planning to do this weekend.
RDD, you going to that?
Tommy Robinson back on the scene now is he? I thought he disappeared to prison or something.
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 48 seconds ago
Tommy Robinson back on the scene now is he? I thought he disappeared to prison or something.
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He’s back even worse than ever. Elon Musk even reinstated his twitter account the other day.
comment by U12215 (U22987)
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comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
Asking for armistice on armistice day is antagonistic now
How do these people function?
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They aren't protesting for peace.
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what are they protesting about then?
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They want the Jews out of Palestine dont they?
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Tommy Robinson and his MIGs will be at United with Luton Town this weekend.
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posted 20 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
Those fallen heroes that fought for our freedoms would be, after living and fighting through what they did, marching for a ceasefire.
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Yeah im sure our fallen heroes would love a good hate march!
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Out of interest, Mahatma666, are *all* British soldiers who have died automatically considered 'heroes', irrespective of which war they died in?
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In their families eyes most likely!
A guy I served with lost his life in afghan trying to get one of our injured lads back to a medevac, both died!
Were either of them heroes? What would you say?
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Our invasion & occupation of Afghanistan was a monstrosity that included countless war crimes, resulted in the excess deaths of at least 200,000 people, put millions of people at serious risk of starvation (which thankfully didn't come to pass), ushered in a deeply corrupt government, saw the return of war lords and then the eventual return of the Taliban anyway. All of which was inflicted upon a country with one of the highest infant mortality rates in the world, was bitterly opposed by the aid agencies, bitterly opposed by anti-Taliban opposition inside Afghanistan, bitterly opposed by 1,000 tribal elders & others in Peshawar and could have been avoided had the US taken seriously the Taliban's *multiple* offers to extradite 9/11 suspects and/or try Bin Laden or extradite him to a neutral country - all ignored in favour of a major show of force & a quest to bring the country into the US-subservient domain in the region. The invasion was grossly unjustified by the US, let alone the UK.
So no, I don't consider participants in the horror brought upon Afghanistan to be "heroes", even if you can find acts of bravery among the invading army.
Now can you try again to answer my question, this time without caveats you think are favourable?
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You said it all with “ I don’t consider” who the feck are you and your opinion!
Ask their families if they think they’re heroes
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1. Who am I? I'm the one you asked the following; "What would you say?"
None of the things I typed were opinions. Do you consider Russian soldiers in Ukraine to be heroes too then? I'm sure their family members do, which is all that matters, right? Or is there some more objective criteria we might like to use?
2. There's a reason we don't put family members of the victim on a jury at court...Think about it.
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“None of the things i type are were my opinions”
“I don’t consider” you did say “I” didn’t you? is that not your opinion?
Russian, German, isreali and so on their family members may look at their family members as heroes!
As they’re all pawns in these political chess games, however when they have the chance to remember them, they should be able to do so in peace without disturbances which could bring the risk of violence or hate crimes!
You’re obviously not bothered though
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What I said about Afghanistan was not an opinion, and that is what I was obviously referring to when I pointed out it wasn't opinion. I'm pretty sure that was obvious to anyone else reading.
Forget family members. I'm asking you (for the second time, seeing as you're dodging the question for obvious reasons); are Russian troops in Ukraine heroes *in your view*?
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posted on 8/11/23
comment by Garnacho cheese (U5318)
posted 26 minutes ago
These remembrance days are becoming more and more irrelevant as we learn how much governments, and the people with power in the world give so little fecks about everyday people, whether civilian or military. All they care about is their macro chess games, power, and the zero's in their bank accounts. We are just pwns to them.
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Then as now. Millions of people lost their lives for exactly this reason.
posted on 8/11/23
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
Those fallen heroes that fought for our freedoms would be, after living and fighting through what they did, marching for a ceasefire.
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Yeah im sure our fallen heroes would love a good hate march!
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Out of interest, Mahatma666, are *all* British soldiers who have died automatically considered 'heroes', irrespective of which war they died in?
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In their families eyes most likely!
A guy I served with lost his life in afghan trying to get one of our injured lads back to a medevac, both died!
Were either of them heroes? What would you say?
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Our invasion & occupation of Afghanistan was a monstrosity that included countless war crimes, resulted in the excess deaths of at least 200,000 people, put millions of people at serious risk of starvation (which thankfully didn't come to pass), ushered in a deeply corrupt government, saw the return of war lords and then the eventual return of the Taliban anyway. All of which was inflicted upon a country with one of the highest infant mortality rates in the world, was bitterly opposed by the aid agencies, bitterly opposed by anti-Taliban opposition inside Afghanistan, bitterly opposed by 1,000 tribal elders & others in Peshawar and could have been avoided had the US taken seriously the Taliban's *multiple* offers to extradite 9/11 suspects and/or try Bin Laden or extradite him to a neutral country - all ignored in favour of a major show of force & a quest to bring the country into the US-subservient domain in the region. The invasion was grossly unjustified by the US, let alone the UK.
So no, I don't consider participants in the horror brought upon Afghanistan to be "heroes", even if you can find acts of bravery among the invading army.
Now can you try again to answer my question, this time without caveats you think are favourable?
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Am I allowed to write 'head shot'?
posted on 8/11/23
comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 53 minutes ago
The problem with all these demonstrations is that they are likely to descend into adults physically fighting - which is what got us here in the first place. In this case though it’s even more distasteful as it’s a load cushy middle aged Brits fighting each other over which side of the conflict they sit whilst Israeli children are shot in their beds and beheaded and Palestinian children are bombed into smithereens.
I despair at humanity in general
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👍 Iam with you this one strike humans butchering humans been going on since pre history , if only we take that macho evil greedy gene 🧬 out humans
posted on 8/11/23
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
Those fallen heroes that fought for our freedoms would be, after living and fighting through what they did, marching for a ceasefire.
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Yeah im sure our fallen heroes would love a good hate march!
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Out of interest, Mahatma666, are *all* British soldiers who have died automatically considered 'heroes', irrespective of which war they died in?
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In their families eyes most likely!
A guy I served with lost his life in afghan trying to get one of our injured lads back to a medevac, both died!
Were either of them heroes? What would you say?
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Our invasion & occupation of Afghanistan was a monstrosity that included countless war crimes, resulted in the excess deaths of at least 200,000 people, put millions of people at serious risk of starvation (which thankfully didn't come to pass), ushered in a deeply corrupt government, saw the return of war lords and then the eventual return of the Taliban anyway. All of which was inflicted upon a country with one of the highest infant mortality rates in the world, was bitterly opposed by the aid agencies, bitterly opposed by anti-Taliban opposition inside Afghanistan, bitterly opposed by 1,000 tribal elders & others in Peshawar and could have been avoided had the US taken seriously the Taliban's *multiple* offers to extradite 9/11 suspects and/or try Bin Laden or extradite him to a neutral country - all ignored in favour of a major show of force & a quest to bring the country into the US-subservient domain in the region. The invasion was grossly unjustified by the US, let alone the UK.
So no, I don't consider participants in the horror brought upon Afghanistan to be "heroes", even if you can find acts of bravery among the invading army.
Now can you try again to answer my question, this time without caveats you think are favourable?
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Am I allowed to write 'head shot'?
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Might give him ptsd.
posted on 8/11/23
“ Why is flying a Hamas flag necessarily worse than flying an Israeli one or a British one? Israeli crimes dwarf anything remotely attributable to Hamas”
Because you’re confusing a political regime with its people, flying a British flag isn’t flying a Tory.
posted on 8/11/23
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
Those fallen heroes that fought for our freedoms would be, after living and fighting through what they did, marching for a ceasefire.
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Yeah im sure our fallen heroes would love a good hate march!
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Don't be that ignoramus, I'm sure you know it's a march against hate.
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We’ll see! The Met are concerned as they’ve said “ risk of violence and disorder linked to breakaway groups is growing” in a statement this wk but you ignore that and what it would mean this wkend!
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There's been 2 or 3 saturday marches already, 100s of thousands on the streets, peacefully protesting, less trouble than your average football Saturday, I'm sure the cops can cope with a few rogues.
Don't let that stop you wanting trouble though.
posted on 8/11/23
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 2 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by Owen Beck (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
The way people perceive and participate in Remembrance Sunday can be influenced by cultural and societal factors. In some cases, those with more conservative or traditional values may have a stronger presence in Remembrance Sunday events, which can contribute to the perception of it as a right-wing tradition. Conversely, left-leaning individuals may emphasise peace and anti-war sentiments during remembrance events.
Anti war protests should be an integral part of remembrance Sunday anyway, not just because of the current events.
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But these protests are about freeing Palestine from Israel, in other words, removing the Jews from Palestine, which won't be achieved peacefully.
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Won't be achieved, full stop
posted on 8/11/23
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
Those fallen heroes that fought for our freedoms would be, after living and fighting through what they did, marching for a ceasefire.
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Yeah im sure our fallen heroes would love a good hate march!
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Out of interest, Mahatma666, are *all* British soldiers who have died automatically considered 'heroes', irrespective of which war they died in?
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In their families eyes most likely!
A guy I served with lost his life in afghan trying to get one of our injured lads back to a medevac, both died!
Were either of them heroes? What would you say?
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Our invasion & occupation of Afghanistan was a monstrosity that included countless war crimes, resulted in the excess deaths of at least 200,000 people, put millions of people at serious risk of starvation (which thankfully didn't come to pass), ushered in a deeply corrupt government, saw the return of war lords and then the eventual return of the Taliban anyway. All of which was inflicted upon a country with one of the highest infant mortality rates in the world, was bitterly opposed by the aid agencies, bitterly opposed by anti-Taliban opposition inside Afghanistan, bitterly opposed by 1,000 tribal elders & others in Peshawar and could have been avoided had the US taken seriously the Taliban's *multiple* offers to extradite 9/11 suspects and/or try Bin Laden or extradite him to a neutral country - all ignored in favour of a major show of force & a quest to bring the country into the US-subservient domain in the region. The invasion was grossly unjustified by the US, let alone the UK.
So no, I don't consider participants in the horror brought upon Afghanistan to be "heroes", even if you can find acts of bravery among the invading army.
Now can you try again to answer my question, this time without caveats you think are favourable?
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Where did you get the 200k innocent deaths from? Only numbers i ever saw were around 50k
posted on 8/11/23
Ceasefire now!!!
That's all.
posted on 8/11/23
comment by Cinciwolf----Old Trafford record attendance.....WOLVES V GRIMSBY. .......lolz (U11551)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 2 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by Owen Beck (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
The way people perceive and participate in Remembrance Sunday can be influenced by cultural and societal factors. In some cases, those with more conservative or traditional values may have a stronger presence in Remembrance Sunday events, which can contribute to the perception of it as a right-wing tradition. Conversely, left-leaning individuals may emphasise peace and anti-war sentiments during remembrance events.
Anti war protests should be an integral part of remembrance Sunday anyway, not just because of the current events.
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But these protests are about freeing Palestine from Israel, in other words, removing the Jews from Palestine, which won't be achieved peacefully.
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Won't be achieved, full stop
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People forget why Jewish people wanted a land of their own. Prejudice against Jews didn’t start and end with the holocaust, it goes way back and it was going on in the Middle East too, with many Jews fled other Arab nations to now Israel.
Like any race, religious or territorial group that has been oppressed in the past, Jewish people have a chip on their shoulder.
posted on 8/11/23
Everyone can be accommadated. Pay your respects and march for peace in the middle east.
Simple.
posted on 8/11/23
comment by Cinciwolf----Old Trafford record attendance.....WOLVES V GRIMSBY. .......lolz (U11551)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
Those fallen heroes that fought for our freedoms would be, after living and fighting through what they did, marching for a ceasefire.
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Yeah im sure our fallen heroes would love a good hate march!
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Out of interest, Mahatma666, are *all* British soldiers who have died automatically considered 'heroes', irrespective of which war they died in?
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In their families eyes most likely!
A guy I served with lost his life in afghan trying to get one of our injured lads back to a medevac, both died!
Were either of them heroes? What would you say?
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Our invasion & occupation of Afghanistan was a monstrosity that included countless war crimes, resulted in the excess deaths of at least 200,000 people, put millions of people at serious risk of starvation (which thankfully didn't come to pass), ushered in a deeply corrupt government, saw the return of war lords and then the eventual return of the Taliban anyway. All of which was inflicted upon a country with one of the highest infant mortality rates in the world, was bitterly opposed by the aid agencies, bitterly opposed by anti-Taliban opposition inside Afghanistan, bitterly opposed by 1,000 tribal elders & others in Peshawar and could have been avoided had the US taken seriously the Taliban's *multiple* offers to extradite 9/11 suspects and/or try Bin Laden or extradite him to a neutral country - all ignored in favour of a major show of force & a quest to bring the country into the US-subservient domain in the region. The invasion was grossly unjustified by the US, let alone the UK.
So no, I don't consider participants in the horror brought upon Afghanistan to be "heroes", even if you can find acts of bravery among the invading army.
Now can you try again to answer my question, this time without caveats you think are favourable?
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Where did you get the 200k innocent deaths from? Only numbers i ever saw were around 50k
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I said *excess* deaths:
https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/costs/human/civilians/afghan#:~:text=Nearly%20every%20factor%20associated%20with,Afghanistan%2FPakistan%20warzone%20since%202001.
posted on 8/11/23
comment by LukaBrasi Ange-r management (U22178)
posted 20 minutes ago
Everyone can be accommadated. Pay your respects and march for peace in the middle east.
Simple.
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The march is 2.5 hours after the service and is in different part of London. You could technically attend both if you wanted to.
It's just the media whipping up a storm again and then hoping it makes something happen so they can report on it.
posted on 8/11/23
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
Those fallen heroes that fought for our freedoms would be, after living and fighting through what they did, marching for a ceasefire.
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Yeah im sure our fallen heroes would love a good hate march!
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Out of interest, Mahatma666, are *all* British soldiers who have died automatically considered 'heroes', irrespective of which war they died in?
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In their families eyes most likely!
A guy I served with lost his life in afghan trying to get one of our injured lads back to a medevac, both died!
Were either of them heroes? What would you say?
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Our invasion & occupation of Afghanistan was a monstrosity that included countless war crimes, resulted in the excess deaths of at least 200,000 people, put millions of people at serious risk of starvation (which thankfully didn't come to pass), ushered in a deeply corrupt government, saw the return of war lords and then the eventual return of the Taliban anyway. All of which was inflicted upon a country with one of the highest infant mortality rates in the world, was bitterly opposed by the aid agencies, bitterly opposed by anti-Taliban opposition inside Afghanistan, bitterly opposed by 1,000 tribal elders & others in Peshawar and could have been avoided had the US taken seriously the Taliban's *multiple* offers to extradite 9/11 suspects and/or try Bin Laden or extradite him to a neutral country - all ignored in favour of a major show of force & a quest to bring the country into the US-subservient domain in the region. The invasion was grossly unjustified by the US, let alone the UK.
So no, I don't consider participants in the horror brought upon Afghanistan to be "heroes", even if you can find acts of bravery among the invading army.
Now can you try again to answer my question, this time without caveats you think are favourable?
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You said it all with “ I don’t consider” who the feck are you and your opinion!
Ask their families if they think they’re heroes a lot of people didn’t agree why we went into Afghanistan but we did we were pawns and as soldiers you don’t get a lot of choice but you know what we were there fighting for each other!
posted on 8/11/23
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 36 minutes ago
“ Why is flying a Hamas flag necessarily worse than flying an Israeli one or a British one? Israeli crimes dwarf anything remotely attributable to Hamas”
Because you’re confusing a political regime with its people, flying a British flag isn’t flying a Tory.
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I'm not confusing anything, but you're forgetting *context*. When apologists for Israel fly Israeli flags, as they have done over the past few weeks, they're often doing it as a show of support for the military action being carried out (or at the very least, they risk that inference).
The IDF operate under the banner of the state, and don't (to my knowledge), have their own insignia. Hence jingoistic, militaristic support can be displayed simply under the national flag. But the IDF (as the British military) do carry out international terrorism as per our very own definition of the term (UK Terror Act 2000). So flying Israeli flags in support of Israel's offensive is de facto support for terrorism. If the IDF had their own unique flag, you'd have seen it being flown about in the last few weeks instead of or as well as.
So sure, you can hang a Union Jack out of your window randomly for whatever odd reason you choose and that in and of itself wouldn't tell us you support UK aggression or who you vote for. It depends on context. If you did it in the middle of the Olympic games we can reasonable deduce the intention and meaning. If you did it during the first weeks of October 2001 or March 2003 however...
Which brings us back to Hamas flags. There's definitely ignorance - I've encountered it directly when engaging with 3 protestors in Bristol a couple weeks or so ago. But there's also a strand of belief - not unreasonable - that Hamas are the ground resistance to Israel's aggression. Hamas *are* Palestinians, most of them born into an open air concentration camp, and they they're entitled to armed resistance. They were also elected in 2006 under circumstances recognised as free and fair by international monitors. They are - whether we like them or not - the incumbent governing organisation in Gaza. It's not entirely unreasonable to not draw a distinction between the legitimacy of the resistance from a moral & legal perspective, and support for the group at the forefront of that resistance in the context of wider Palestinian liberation in Gaza.
But sure, if you think the sight of the odd flag you don't like should be grounds by which to condemn the wider movement then not only do you not understand or grasp collective solidarity but as I said, you're a sucker for the kind of divisive nonsense you yourself warned against.
posted on 8/11/23
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
Those fallen heroes that fought for our freedoms would be, after living and fighting through what they did, marching for a ceasefire.
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Yeah im sure our fallen heroes would love a good hate march!
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Out of interest, Mahatma666, are *all* British soldiers who have died automatically considered 'heroes', irrespective of which war they died in?
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In their families eyes most likely!
A guy I served with lost his life in afghan trying to get one of our injured lads back to a medevac, both died!
Were either of them heroes? What would you say?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Our invasion & occupation of Afghanistan was a monstrosity that included countless war crimes, resulted in the excess deaths of at least 200,000 people, put millions of people at serious risk of starvation (which thankfully didn't come to pass), ushered in a deeply corrupt government, saw the return of war lords and then the eventual return of the Taliban anyway. All of which was inflicted upon a country with one of the highest infant mortality rates in the world, was bitterly opposed by the aid agencies, bitterly opposed by anti-Taliban opposition inside Afghanistan, bitterly opposed by 1,000 tribal elders & others in Peshawar and could have been avoided had the US taken seriously the Taliban's *multiple* offers to extradite 9/11 suspects and/or try Bin Laden or extradite him to a neutral country - all ignored in favour of a major show of force & a quest to bring the country into the US-subservient domain in the region. The invasion was grossly unjustified by the US, let alone the UK.
So no, I don't consider participants in the horror brought upon Afghanistan to be "heroes", even if you can find acts of bravery among the invading army.
Now can you try again to answer my question, this time without caveats you think are favourable?
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You said it all with “ I don’t consider” who the feck are you and your opinion!
Ask their families if they think they’re heroes
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1. Who am I? I'm the one you asked the following; "What would you say?"
None of the things I typed were opinions. Do you consider Russian soldiers in Ukraine to be heroes too then? I'm sure their family members do, which is all that matters, right? Or is there some more objective criteria we might like to use?
2. There's a reason we don't put family members of the victim on a jury at court...Think about it.
posted on 8/11/23
Double tap
posted on 8/11/23
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
Those fallen heroes that fought for our freedoms would be, after living and fighting through what they did, marching for a ceasefire.
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Yeah im sure our fallen heroes would love a good hate march!
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Out of interest, Mahatma666, are *all* British soldiers who have died automatically considered 'heroes', irrespective of which war they died in?
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In their families eyes most likely!
A guy I served with lost his life in afghan trying to get one of our injured lads back to a medevac, both died!
Were either of them heroes? What would you say?
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Our invasion & occupation of Afghanistan was a monstrosity that included countless war crimes, resulted in the excess deaths of at least 200,000 people, put millions of people at serious risk of starvation (which thankfully didn't come to pass), ushered in a deeply corrupt government, saw the return of war lords and then the eventual return of the Taliban anyway. All of which was inflicted upon a country with one of the highest infant mortality rates in the world, was bitterly opposed by the aid agencies, bitterly opposed by anti-Taliban opposition inside Afghanistan, bitterly opposed by 1,000 tribal elders & others in Peshawar and could have been avoided had the US taken seriously the Taliban's *multiple* offers to extradite 9/11 suspects and/or try Bin Laden or extradite him to a neutral country - all ignored in favour of a major show of force & a quest to bring the country into the US-subservient domain in the region. The invasion was grossly unjustified by the US, let alone the UK.
So no, I don't consider participants in the horror brought upon Afghanistan to be "heroes", even if you can find acts of bravery among the invading army.
Now can you try again to answer my question, this time without caveats you think are favourable?
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You said it all with “ I don’t consider” who the feck are you and your opinion!
Ask their families if they think they’re heroes
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1. Who am I? I'm the one you asked the following; "What would you say?"
None of the things I typed were opinions. Do you consider Russian soldiers in Ukraine to be heroes too then? I'm sure their family members do, which is all that matters, right? Or is there some more objective criteria we might like to use?
2. There's a reason we don't put family members of the victim on a jury at court...Think about it.
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“None of the things i type are were my opinions”
“I don’t consider” you did say “I” didn’t you? is that not your opinion?
Russian, German, isreali and so on their family members may look at their family members as heroes!
As they’re all pawns in these political chess games, however when they have the chance to remember them, they should be able to do so in peace without disturbances which could bring the risk of violence or hate crimes!
You’re obviously not bothered though
posted on 8/11/23
Generally the people who label the marches this weekend as a bad thing are usually the racist or ignorant type who care more about maintaining a yearly tradition that at the end of the day achieves nothing meaningful by remembering the dead if they allow deaths from war to keep continuing around the world. Especially a genocide where children are being killed in their thousands.
And moreso, they’re people who haven’t been on any of these marches which if they had they’d see it’s not a hate march at all. It’s literally people who are frustrated to see a cycle of brown people being slaughtered with help from the west keep happening with no end in sight. I’ve been to three marches and will be at one this weekend and that is a far more important and meaningful way to spend my time than doing a two minute silence and pretending that we can’t as a nation come together and end the bloodshed in Gaza by putting huge pressure on our western governments to stop allowing Israel to get away with murder while they continue to kill and steal even more land in the pretence of ‘defending themselves’.
Here’s an idea Israel, if you want to defend yourselves maybe just fortify your defences instead of murdering thousands of kids.
posted on 8/11/23
May I add, if you wanna see a real hate march just look at what Tommy Robinson and his thick, ugly and racist bunch of merry men are planning to do this weekend.
RDD, you going to that?
posted on 8/11/23
Tommy Robinson back on the scene now is he? I thought he disappeared to prison or something.
posted on 8/11/23
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 48 seconds ago
Tommy Robinson back on the scene now is he? I thought he disappeared to prison or something.
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He’s back even worse than ever. Elon Musk even reinstated his twitter account the other day.
posted on 8/11/23
Ffs.
posted on 8/11/23
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by U12215 (U22987)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
Asking for armistice on armistice day is antagonistic now
How do these people function?
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They aren't protesting for peace.
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what are they protesting about then?
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They want the Jews out of Palestine dont they?
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Tommy Robinson and his MIGs will be at United with Luton Town this weekend.
posted on 8/11/23
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 3 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
Those fallen heroes that fought for our freedoms would be, after living and fighting through what they did, marching for a ceasefire.
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Yeah im sure our fallen heroes would love a good hate march!
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Out of interest, Mahatma666, are *all* British soldiers who have died automatically considered 'heroes', irrespective of which war they died in?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In their families eyes most likely!
A guy I served with lost his life in afghan trying to get one of our injured lads back to a medevac, both died!
Were either of them heroes? What would you say?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Our invasion & occupation of Afghanistan was a monstrosity that included countless war crimes, resulted in the excess deaths of at least 200,000 people, put millions of people at serious risk of starvation (which thankfully didn't come to pass), ushered in a deeply corrupt government, saw the return of war lords and then the eventual return of the Taliban anyway. All of which was inflicted upon a country with one of the highest infant mortality rates in the world, was bitterly opposed by the aid agencies, bitterly opposed by anti-Taliban opposition inside Afghanistan, bitterly opposed by 1,000 tribal elders & others in Peshawar and could have been avoided had the US taken seriously the Taliban's *multiple* offers to extradite 9/11 suspects and/or try Bin Laden or extradite him to a neutral country - all ignored in favour of a major show of force & a quest to bring the country into the US-subservient domain in the region. The invasion was grossly unjustified by the US, let alone the UK.
So no, I don't consider participants in the horror brought upon Afghanistan to be "heroes", even if you can find acts of bravery among the invading army.
Now can you try again to answer my question, this time without caveats you think are favourable?
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You said it all with “ I don’t consider” who the feck are you and your opinion!
Ask their families if they think they’re heroes
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1. Who am I? I'm the one you asked the following; "What would you say?"
None of the things I typed were opinions. Do you consider Russian soldiers in Ukraine to be heroes too then? I'm sure their family members do, which is all that matters, right? Or is there some more objective criteria we might like to use?
2. There's a reason we don't put family members of the victim on a jury at court...Think about it.
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“None of the things i type are were my opinions”
“I don’t consider” you did say “I” didn’t you? is that not your opinion?
Russian, German, isreali and so on their family members may look at their family members as heroes!
As they’re all pawns in these political chess games, however when they have the chance to remember them, they should be able to do so in peace without disturbances which could bring the risk of violence or hate crimes!
You’re obviously not bothered though
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What I said about Afghanistan was not an opinion, and that is what I was obviously referring to when I pointed out it wasn't opinion. I'm pretty sure that was obvious to anyone else reading.
Forget family members. I'm asking you (for the second time, seeing as you're dodging the question for obvious reasons); are Russian troops in Ukraine heroes *in your view*?
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