comment by Salah Time. (U23032)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 4 minutes ago
Is it allowed by international law to use civilians as human shields?
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Proof
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The same proof that you have.

OP

Israel are the main problem in the Middle East, not Oalestine fighting for their very existence against the most right wing Israeli Zionist Government in their history.

comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Salah Time. (U23032)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 4 minutes ago
Is it allowed by international law to use civilians as human shields?
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Proof
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The same proof that you have.
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Hahahaha so none then, just crap that comes from IDF

If god forbid hamas had a bomb capable of immense damage and it decided to attack IDF headquarters in a densly populated area in a city centre ie tel aviv and thousands died could they argue the IDF were using the civilians as human sheilds?

comment by Salah Time. (U23032)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Salah Time. (U23032)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 4 minutes ago
Is it allowed by international law to use civilians as human shields?
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Proof
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The same proof that you have.
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Hahahaha so none then, just crap that comes from IDF
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You’re way too biased to be taken seriously.

comment by Salah Time. (U23032)
posted 1 minute ago
If god forbid hamas had a bomb capable of immense damage and it decided to attack IDF headquarters in a densly populated area in a city centre ie tel aviv and thousands died could they argue the IDF were using the civilians as human sheilds?
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What a terrible analogy. Are you suggesting the hospital is in fact Hamas HQ?

comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 2 minutes ago
Is it allowed by international law to use civilians as human shields?
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https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israeli-army-in-west-bank-uses-palestinian-detainee-as-human-shield/3049924
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comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Salah Time. (U23032)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Salah Time. (U23032)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 4 minutes ago
Is it allowed by international law to use civilians as human shields?
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Proof
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The same proof that you have.
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Hahahaha so none then, just crap that comes from IDF
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You’re way too biased to be taken seriously.
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Ok mate have a good day 👍

comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Salah Time. (U23032)
posted 1 minute ago
If god forbid hamas had a bomb capable of immense damage and it decided to attack IDF headquarters in a densly populated area in a city centre ie tel aviv and thousands died could they argue the IDF were using the civilians as human sheilds?
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What a terrible analogy. Are you suggesting the hospital is in fact Hamas HQ?
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The analogy is actually a good one and what he said didn't suggest that at all.

You're applying a strawman tomhis argument. Meaning you're changing what he actually said and attacking that point rather than the one he made.

comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Salah Time. (U23032)
posted 1 minute ago
If god forbid hamas had a bomb capable of immense damage and it decided to attack IDF headquarters in a densly populated area in a city centre ie tel aviv and thousands died could they argue the IDF were using the civilians as human sheilds?
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What a terrible analogy. Are you suggesting the hospital is in fact Hamas HQ?
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Proof please

By the way, if the Arabs layed down their arms, Tantura shows what would have happened to them.

Have you looked into that Manusince52? Israel has kept a tight grip on their founding myths. But more and more of it is being revealed. Read or what the documentary
Tell me what makes them any different from ISIS.

comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 2 minutes ago
Is it allowed by international law to use civilians as human shields?
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https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israeli-army-in-west-bank-uses-palestinian-detainee-as-human-shield/3049924
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Thing is, you’ve posted this in the belief I’m sure pro Israeli or something, but you’re mistaken. I’m not interested in your whataboutery, I’m just not keen on people defending terrorists.

comment by Salah Time. (U23032)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Salah Time. (U23032)
posted 1 minute ago
If god forbid hamas had a bomb capable of immense damage and it decided to attack IDF headquarters in a densly populated area in a city centre ie tel aviv and thousands died could they argue the IDF were using the civilians as human sheilds?
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What a terrible analogy. Are you suggesting the hospital is in fact Hamas HQ?
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Proof please
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Proof of what?

comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 2 minutes ago
Is it allowed by international law to use civilians as human shields?
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https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israeli-army-in-west-bank-uses-palestinian-detainee-as-human-shield/3049924
Like this?
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Thing is, you’ve posted this in the belief I’m sure pro Israeli or something, but you’re mistaken. I’m not interested in your whataboutery, I’m just not keen on people defending terrorists.
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Israel was founded on terrorism.

comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Salah Time. (U23032)
posted 1 minute ago
If god forbid hamas had a bomb capable of immense damage and it decided to attack IDF headquarters in a densly populated area in a city centre ie tel aviv and thousands died could they argue the IDF were using the civilians as human sheilds?
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What a terrible analogy. Are you suggesting the hospital is in fact Hamas HQ?
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The analogy is actually a good one and what he said didn't suggest that at all.

You're applying a strawman tomhis argument. Meaning you're changing what he actually said and attacking that point rather than the one he made.
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He’s being very selective in what he deems is the truth ie he’s believing what suits him. And it really isn’t a good analogy. The suggestion is that Hamas are hiding in hospitals ie using civilians as human shields. None of us at this point know if that’s true or not, but he’s stating that it’s IDF propaganda, but he can’t possibly know that. So you cannot compare the bombing of a military HQ to that of a hospital.

comment by Salah Time. (U23032)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 2 minutes ago
Is it allowed by international law to use civilians as human shields?
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https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israeli-army-in-west-bank-uses-palestinian-detainee-as-human-shield/3049924
Like this?
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Thing is, you’ve posted this in the belief I’m sure pro Israeli or something, but you’re mistaken. I’m not interested in your whataboutery, I’m just not keen on people defending terrorists.
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Israel was founded on terrorism.
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I’m not defending Israel, so what’s your point?

comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by Salah Time. (U23032)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 2 minutes ago
Is it allowed by international law to use civilians as human shields?
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https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israeli-army-in-west-bank-uses-palestinian-detainee-as-human-shield/3049924
Like this?
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Thing is, you’ve posted this in the belief I’m sure pro Israeli or something, but you’re mistaken. I’m not interested in your whataboutery, I’m just not keen on people defending terrorists.
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Israel was founded on terrorism.
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I’m not defending Israel, so what’s your point?
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You’re way too biased to be taken seriously

comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 2 minutes ago
Is it allowed by international law to use civilians as human shields?
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https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israeli-army-in-west-bank-uses-palestinian-detainee-as-human-shield/3049924
Like this?
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Thing is, you’ve posted this in the belief I’m sure pro Israeli or something, but you’re mistaken. I’m not interested in your whataboutery, I’m just not keen on people defending terrorists.
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Would you consider IDF as terrorists then?

comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Salah Time. (U23032)
posted 1 minute ago
If god forbid hamas had a bomb capable of immense damage and it decided to attack IDF headquarters in a densly populated area in a city centre ie tel aviv and thousands died could they argue the IDF were using the civilians as human sheilds?
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What a terrible analogy. Are you suggesting the hospital is in fact Hamas HQ?
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The analogy is actually a good one and what he said didn't suggest that at all.

You're applying a strawman tomhis argument. Meaning you're changing what he actually said and attacking that point rather than the one he made.
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He’s being very selective in what he deems is the truth ie he’s believing what suits him. And it really isn’t a good analogy. The suggestion is that Hamas are hiding in hospitals ie using civilians as human shields. None of us at this point know if that’s true or not, but he’s stating that it’s IDF propaganda, but he can’t possibly know that. So you cannot compare the bombing of a military HQ to that of a hospital.
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I have no idea what you guys talked about previously. But based on this question, it's not the same as saying Hamas Hq is a hospital.

The Israeli government and the IDF have been known to lie. So it isn't far fetched to believe that they are lying about this. This is besides the point of the question asked.

If Hamas attacked the HQ of the IDF, but caused casualties along the way, would they be justified in doing so. Would those deaths be collateral? The logic used by the IDF/Israel (and the West when they carried out drone strikes in places like Iraq and Afghanistan) was that killing the target was more important and the deaths of civilians is one they are willing to take. This makes them no better than the likes of Hamas. You can't condmen the 7th October attack and then allow or support what Israel have done since.

In fact, the number of crimes Israel has carried out over the years pales in comparison to what Hamas did in 7th October. Yet one is talked about and Israeli actions are forgotten or excused.

comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 2 minutes ago
Is it allowed by international law to use civilians as human shields?
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https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israeli-army-in-west-bank-uses-palestinian-detainee-as-human-shield/3049924
Like this?
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Thing is, you’ve posted this in the belief I’m sure pro Israeli or something, but you’re mistaken. I’m not interested in your whataboutery, I’m just not keen on people defending terrorists.
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Would you consider IDF as terrorists then?
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Not in the definition of the term. But I don’t think their reaction is proportionate either.

comment by Salah Time. (U23032)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by Salah Time. (U23032)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 2 minutes ago
Is it allowed by international law to use civilians as human shields?
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https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israeli-army-in-west-bank-uses-palestinian-detainee-as-human-shield/3049924
Like this?
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Thing is, you’ve posted this in the belief I’m sure pro Israeli or something, but you’re mistaken. I’m not interested in your whataboutery, I’m just not keen on people defending terrorists.
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Israel was founded on terrorism.
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I’m not defending Israel, so what’s your point?
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You’re way too biased to be taken seriously
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That makes no sense.

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
comment by Mamba (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 hour, 41 minutes ago
comment by Mamba (U1282)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Mamba (U1282)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by Mamba (U1282)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
I don't think any, or many, want to see Israel continue bombing Gaza, I certainly don't. I'm talking about on here btw.
Regarding the second part of the OP, it's probably true as some surrounding countries have vowed to exterminate Israel.
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Which countries have vowed to exterminate Israel?
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Iran for sure .
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Oh yeah, Iran.

There's been a whole volume of anti-Israel statements emanating from Iran's two supreme leaders in the 43 years since the USA backed and orchestrated Islamic revolution in Iran in 1979, where they helped to remove a democratically elected government and helped put these supreme dictators in charge to serve their own interests, thereby plunging the country into religious rule and all this sheet.

No sooner were they in power than they declared Israel and it's allies by extension their enemy.

What a joke.
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Did anybody laugh
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At the time, yes. I'm sure USA was very happy that they had achieved their aims, even though they had facked Iran for many generations and contributed to instability in the middle east.

I though spreading democracy was our thing, not destroying it. Turns out that's only our thing when it suits our greedy interests.

If any of this is false, kindly let me know.
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Ii wasn't a democracy in 1978
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Or in 77, 76 etc. it was run by the Shah of Persia
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True, but you could have found this for yourself. It's so mainstream that it's even on Wikipedia.

"The 1953 Iranian coup d'état, known in Iran as the 28 Mordad coup d'état (Persian: کودتای ۲۸ مرداد), was the U.S.- and British-instigated, Iranian army-led overthrow of the democratically elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh in favor of strengthening the monarchical rule of the shah, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, on 19 August 1953.[5] It was aided by the United States (under the name TP-AJAX (Tudeh Party) Project[6] or Operation Ajax) and the United Kingdom (under the name Operation Boot).[7][8][9][10] The clergy also played a considerable role."
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I did know it, I was around then don't forget.
It's you who didn't know it , read above.
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The impression I get from you is that you didn't know. Mainly because things like that don't seem to be factored into your opinions. My apologies if you knew.

Human Shields argument

https://www.facebook.com/EatTheRichShop/videos/652164036791049/

I oppose both hamas and Idf. I stand with the innocent Palestinian civilians. I stand with humanity. I am biased towards this cause. Not terrorism from both sides.

comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 2 minutes ago
Is it allowed by international law to use civilians as human shields?
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https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israeli-army-in-west-bank-uses-palestinian-detainee-as-human-shield/3049924
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Shouldn't be funny but

comment by Mamba (U1282)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInPoland (U11181)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 2 minutes ago
Is it allowed by international law to use civilians as human shields?
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https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israeli-army-in-west-bank-uses-palestinian-detainee-as-human-shield/3049924
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Shouldn't be funny but
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They’re reporting that 173 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli forces. That can’t be right, surely it’s way higher than that?