comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
For the last time, I'm not defending Prince
Andrew.
It would be all the same if it was Joe Blogg. Not to be grandiose I'm defending the law.Epstein and Maxwell were guilty and punished, good.
But nothing has been released today makes HRH guilty, they are accusations.
Nobody on here knows anything more about it than is written, and there's no guarantee that's true.
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Epstein wasn't punished. He committed suicide. Or was murdered. But not punished.
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He was about to be.
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He was about to be put on trial.
And Time magazine did an article stating his mummy would pay 2 million quid towards the 13 million.
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Oh well, that settles it then.
^^^^
first sentence Epstein,
Second HRN.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
For the last time, I'm not defending Prince
Andrew.
It would be all the same if it was Joe Blogg. Not to be grandiose I'm defending the law.Epstein and Maxwell were guilty and punished, good.
But nothing has been released today makes HRH guilty, they are accusations.
Nobody on here knows anything more about it than is written, and there's no guarantee that's true.
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Epstein wasn't punished. He committed suicide. Or was murdered. But not punished.
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He was about to be.
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He was on remand and awaiting trial at the time of his death actually. Using your loopy logic nothing was proven at that point and he was innocent, just like Andrew.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
For the last time, I'm not defending Prince
Andrew.
It would be all the same if it was Joe Blogg. Not to be grandiose I'm defending the law.Epstein and Maxwell were guilty and punished, good.
But nothing has been released today makes HRH guilty, they are accusations.
Nobody on here knows anything more about it than is written, and there's no guarantee that's true.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Epstein wasn't punished. He committed suicide. Or was murdered. But not punished.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He was about to be.
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He was about to be put on trial.
And Time magazine did an article stating his mummy would pay 2 million quid towards the 13 million.
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Oh well, that settles it then.
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You just keep tugging that forelock.
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 3 hours, 49 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 7 minutes ago
Rejoining this convo after a while but surely what MU52 and Elvis are stating is that names on a list isn't enough to presume guilt immediately. I do expect that to come in a bit in the fallout though as people rush to defend themselves by implicating others. It's not an automatic thing that everyone who is on the list is a wrong-un (they may well be of course) although I suspect that those who haven't broken any laws themselves have probably kept things quiet that they shouldn't have.
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If they just said that, then that would be fine. Everyone knows that not everyone will be guilty on the list.
Fact is that the list also includes people with accusations against them and they are taking exception at people talking about them. The last link from Elvis in particular plays into victim blaming and also paints Ghislaine Maxwell in a good light, despite the fact she has been found guilty of child sextrafficking. It isn't really a good look.
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Nope. It highlighted the fact that she didn't see it as a big deal. Unless she has been misquoted, they are her words and ones that have been available for many many years.
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
For the last time, I'm not defending Prince
Andrew.
It would be all the same if it was Joe Blogg. Not to be grandiose I'm defending the law.Epstein and Maxwell were guilty and punished, good.
But nothing has been released today makes HRH guilty, they are accusations.
Nobody on here knows anything more about it than is written, and there's no guarantee that's true.
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Epstein wasn't punished. He committed suicide. Or was murdered. But not punished.
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He was about to be.
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He was on remand and awaiting trial at the time of his death actually. Using your loopy logic nothing was proven at that point and he was innocent, just like Andrew.
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It's not loopy logic is it. It's the law.
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
For the last time, I'm not defending Prince
Andrew.
It would be all the same if it was Joe Blogg. Not to be grandiose I'm defending the law.Epstein and Maxwell were guilty and punished, good.
But nothing has been released today makes HRH guilty, they are accusations.
Nobody on here knows anything more about it than is written, and there's no guarantee that's true.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Epstein wasn't punished. He committed suicide. Or was murdered. But not punished.
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He was about to be.
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He was on remand and awaiting trial at the time of his death actually. Using your loopy logic nothing was proven at that point and he was innocent, just like Andrew.
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Loopy.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
For the last time, I'm not defending Prince
Andrew.
It would be all the same if it was Joe Blogg. Not to be grandiose I'm defending the law.Epstein and Maxwell were guilty and punished, good.
But nothing has been released today makes HRH guilty, they are accusations.
Nobody on here knows anything more about it than is written, and there's no guarantee that's true.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Epstein wasn't punished. He committed suicide. Or was murdered. But not punished.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He was about to be.
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He was on remand and awaiting trial at the time of his death actually. Using your loopy logic nothing was proven at that point and he was innocent, just like Andrew.
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It's not loopy logic is it. It's the law.
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But you're right, he hadn't been tried, my bad.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 4 hours, 10 minutes ago
The more you read that excerpt from Elvis, the worse it gets. It literally paints Ghislaine Maxwell in a good light, as if she was fun and just a bit promiscuous. She's been found guilty of child sextrafficking.
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Has she been misquoted? Is the quote I pasted not real?
Again, no-one is defending Prince Andrew and certainly not Maxwell. I just don't think that the released documents are anything new or groundbreaking. It'll likely get a lot more interesting if and when more are released
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That's what the quote you posted did though. It also victim blamed someone who was sextrafficked. It was a pretty horrific quote to post. Particularly if you aren't looking to victim blame or show Ghislaine Maxwell in a good light.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 3 hours, 56 minutes ago
Rejoining this convo after a while but surely what MU52 and Elvis are stating is that names on a list isn't enough to presume guilt immediately. I do expect that to come in a bit in the fallout though as people rush to defend themselves by implicating others. It's not an automatic thing that everyone who is on the list is a wrong-un (they may well be of course) although I suspect that those who haven't broken any laws themselves have probably kept things quiet that they shouldn't have.
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Not hard to grasp is it?
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I certainly don't consider you or MU52 to be sympathetic at all towards Andrew, Maxwell, Epstein etc.
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago
The comments by MU52, Elvis and Boris make me think victim blaming and non consensual sexualconduct must be a Manchester thing.
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You mean direct quotes?
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 3 hours, 56 minutes ago
Rejoining this convo after a while but surely what MU52 and Elvis are stating is that names on a list isn't enough to presume guilt immediately. I do expect that to come in a bit in the fallout though as people rush to defend themselves by implicating others. It's not an automatic thing that everyone who is on the list is a wrong-un (they may well be of course) although I suspect that those who haven't broken any laws themselves have probably kept things quiet that they shouldn't have.
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Not hard to grasp is it?
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I certainly don't consider you or MU52 to be sympathetic at all towards Andrew, Maxwell, Epstein etc.
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I'm certainly not. But he was a real business man, I presume there would have been meetings for that purpose.
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 45 seconds ago
The comments by MU52, Elvis and Boris make me think victim blaming and non consensual sexualconduct must be a Manchester thing.
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At least you're thinking now. Maybe you will think that it is old news, and we know little of what was truly known by HRH, unless of course, you do know.
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I know he paid the previous accuser millions to avoid his filthy business being dragged through a court of law. I also know if I was accused of a heinous crime like that I'd want to clear my name regardless of how much money I had.
You think that being 17 means what he's apparently done is legal. Mate look up the word consent, I'll give you a hint. Its not age specific. Crack on not defending him though.
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Did she not consent then? I didn't know, how do you?
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The fact she's accused Andrew of sexualassault means she obviously didn't consent. That's the point of accusing someone of sexualassault orrape.
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She accused him much later. She didn't tell him in advance, or go to the police'
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So an accuser has to tell someone who they believe sexually assaulted them that they are going to accuse them of it before they can make the accusation now?
Your posts are getting weirder all the time. Just admit that you don't want Prince Andrew to be found guilty and leave it at that.
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She didn't follow MU52's myopic view of how sexualassault victims should act after the fact so must be making it all up apparently.
The views he's expressed on this thread are actually disturbing.
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Nope. You just keep failing to grasp the point he is making.
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 32 minutes ago
Tam
"In fact, don't answer that. I don't want to know. I've become increasingly disgusted at your responses this subject, so I'm going to avoid responding to you again."
Pretty much where I am with MU52's comments. Left it at advising him to show a female family member his comments on this thread and ask what they think.
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You are too dense to actually take in the points he is making.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 3 hours, 49 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 7 minutes ago
Rejoining this convo after a while but surely what MU52 and Elvis are stating is that names on a list isn't enough to presume guilt immediately. I do expect that to come in a bit in the fallout though as people rush to defend themselves by implicating others. It's not an automatic thing that everyone who is on the list is a wrong-un (they may well be of course) although I suspect that those who haven't broken any laws themselves have probably kept things quiet that they shouldn't have.
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If they just said that, then that would be fine. Everyone knows that not everyone will be guilty on the list.
Fact is that the list also includes people with accusations against them and they are taking exception at people talking about them. The last link from Elvis in particular plays into victim blaming and also paints Ghislaine Maxwell in a good light, despite the fact she has been found guilty of child sextrafficking. It isn't really a good look.
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Nope. It highlighted the fact that she didn't see it as a big deal. Unless she has been misquoted, they are her words and ones that have been available for many many years.
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"Ms Sjoberg's statement, which had previously been partly revealed, describes an encounter in which she claims Prince Andrew touched her breast.
She recalls a scene in which Maxwell, who was later jailed for sextrafficking offences, had shown them a puppet of Prince Andrew, which was intended as a "great joke".
"And they decided to take a picture with it, in which Virginia and Andrew sat on a couch. They put the puppet on Virginia's lap and I sat on Andrew's lap, and they put the puppet's hand on Virginia's breast, and Andrew put his hand on my breast, and they took a photo," says Ms Sjoberg's deposition.
Pressed by lawyers on the seating arrangements, she said: "Whether we were on a couch or a chair, I just remember thebooBs part, the hand on thebooBs."
Ms Sjoberg, then aged 20, had been at college when she had been recruited by Maxwell, initially she believed as an assistant before finding that she was encouraged to deliver shexualmassages for Epstein, which she resisted."
You claim the Mail quote says she didn't see otbas a big deal and was in on the joke re the Spitting Image puppet. This quote from the Beeb contradicts that Mail quote. So yes you have misquoted here using a rag of a paper reknowned for being inaccurate, having a RW agenda who are staunch defenders of the royals.
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 4 hours, 10 minutes ago
The more you read that excerpt from Elvis, the worse it gets. It literally paints Ghislaine Maxwell in a good light, as if she was fun and just a bit promiscuous. She's been found guilty of child sextrafficking.
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Has she been misquoted? Is the quote I pasted not real?
Again, no-one is defending Prince Andrew and certainly not Maxwell. I just don't think that the released documents are anything new or groundbreaking. It'll likely get a lot more interesting if and when more are released
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That's what the quote you posted did though. It also victim blamed someone who was sextrafficked. It was a pretty horrific quote to post. Particularly if you aren't looking to victim blame or show Ghislaine Maxwell in a good light.
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I posted the quote to show that is wasn't soemthing new as had been claimed. The quote has been about since 2007! I just find it interesting that the bit about it being a joke and everyone laughing has disappeared now that it has been reported again.
You really need to stop twisting what people say and some desperate attempt to make them out as paeedo lovers. It's weird.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 3 hours, 56 minutes ago
Rejoining this convo after a while but surely what MU52 and Elvis are stating is that names on a list isn't enough to presume guilt immediately. I do expect that to come in a bit in the fallout though as people rush to defend themselves by implicating others. It's not an automatic thing that everyone who is on the list is a wrong-un (they may well be of course) although I suspect that those who haven't broken any laws themselves have probably kept things quiet that they shouldn't have.
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Not hard to grasp is it?
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I certainly don't consider you or MU52 to be sympathetic at all towards Andrew, Maxwell, Epstein etc.
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I'm certainly not. But he was a real business man, I presume there would have been meetings for that purpose.
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Me too.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 4 hours, 10 minutes ago
The more you read that excerpt from Elvis, the worse it gets. It literally paints Ghislaine Maxwell in a good light, as if she was fun and just a bit promiscuous. She's been found guilty of child sextrafficking.
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Has she been misquoted? Is the quote I pasted not real?
Again, no-one is defending Prince Andrew and certainly not Maxwell. I just don't think that the released documents are anything new or groundbreaking. It'll likely get a lot more interesting if and when more are released
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That's what the quote you posted did though. It also victim blamed someone who was sextrafficked. It was a pretty horrific quote to post. Particularly if you aren't looking to victim blame or show Ghislaine Maxwell in a good light.
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I posted the quote to show that is wasn't soemthing new as had been claimed. The quote has been about since 2007! I just find it interesting that the bit about it being a joke and everyone laughing has disappeared now that it has been reported again.
You really need to stop twisting what people say and some desperate attempt to make them out as paeedo lovers. It's weird.
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Yeah, what's a joke between sextraffickers and those who are sextrafficked.
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 4 hours, 10 minutes ago
The more you read that excerpt from Elvis, the worse it gets. It literally paints Ghislaine Maxwell in a good light, as if she was fun and just a bit promiscuous. She's been found guilty of child sextrafficking.
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Has she been misquoted? Is the quote I pasted not real?
Again, no-one is defending Prince Andrew and certainly not Maxwell. I just don't think that the released documents are anything new or groundbreaking. It'll likely get a lot more interesting if and when more are released
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That's what the quote you posted did though. It also victim blamed someone who was sextrafficked. It was a pretty horrific quote to post. Particularly if you aren't looking to victim blame or show Ghislaine Maxwell in a good light.
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I posted the quote to show that is wasn't soemthing new as had been claimed. The quote has been about since 2007! I just find it interesting that the bit about it being a joke and everyone laughing has disappeared now that it has been reported again.
You really need to stop twisting what people say and some desperate attempt to make them out as paeedo lovers. It's weird.
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Yeah, what's a joke between sextraffickers and those who are sextrafficked.
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A joke!
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 32 minutes ago
Tam
"In fact, don't answer that. I don't want to know. I've become increasingly disgusted at your responses this subject, so I'm going to avoid responding to you again."
Pretty much where I am with MU52's comments. Left it at advising him to show a female family member his comments on this thread and ask what they think.
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You are too dense to actually take in the points he is making.
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You quoted The Mail as gospel. I'll just leave that there as far as intellect is concerned. You know the Mail is one tiny notch up from The S*n in terms of accuracy and journalistic integrity.
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 3 hours, 49 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 7 minutes ago
Rejoining this convo after a while but surely what MU52 and Elvis are stating is that names on a list isn't enough to presume guilt immediately. I do expect that to come in a bit in the fallout though as people rush to defend themselves by implicating others. It's not an automatic thing that everyone who is on the list is a wrong-un (they may well be of course) although I suspect that those who haven't broken any laws themselves have probably kept things quiet that they shouldn't have.
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If they just said that, then that would be fine. Everyone knows that not everyone will be guilty on the list.
Fact is that the list also includes people with accusations against them and they are taking exception at people talking about them. The last link from Elvis in particular plays into victim blaming and also paints Ghislaine Maxwell in a good light, despite the fact she has been found guilty of child sextrafficking. It isn't really a good look.
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Nope. It highlighted the fact that she didn't see it as a big deal. Unless she has been misquoted, they are her words and ones that have been available for many many years.
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"Ms Sjoberg's statement, which had previously been partly revealed, describes an encounter in which she claims Prince Andrew touched her breast.
She recalls a scene in which Maxwell, who was later jailed for sextrafficking offences, had shown them a puppet of Prince Andrew, which was intended as a "great joke".
"And they decided to take a picture with it, in which Virginia and Andrew sat on a couch. They put the puppet on Virginia's lap and I sat on Andrew's lap, and they put the puppet's hand on Virginia's breast, and Andrew put his hand on my breast, and they took a photo," says Ms Sjoberg's deposition.
Pressed by lawyers on the seating arrangements, she said: "Whether we were on a couch or a chair, I just remember thebooBs part, the hand on thebooBs."
Ms Sjoberg, then aged 20, had been at college when she had been recruited by Maxwell, initially she believed as an assistant before finding that she was encouraged to deliver shexualmassages for Epstein, which she resisted."
You claim the Mail quote says she didn't see otbas a big deal and was in on the joke re the Spitting Image puppet. This quote from the Beeb contradicts that Mail quote. So yes you have misquoted here using a rag of a paper reknowned for being inaccurate, having a RW agenda who are staunch defenders of the royals.
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I didn't get the quote from The Mail.
So you are saying the quote is fake?
The bit about it being intended as a joke hasn't been lost. The bit that is bad is where it makes out like the person who is being groped is OK with it. The quotes from todays release don't say that at all. In fact they add about Prince Andrew's relationship with the woman he paid off and that the person believes her when she says she was sexually assaulted.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 3 hours, 49 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 7 minutes ago
Rejoining this convo after a while but surely what MU52 and Elvis are stating is that names on a list isn't enough to presume guilt immediately. I do expect that to come in a bit in the fallout though as people rush to defend themselves by implicating others. It's not an automatic thing that everyone who is on the list is a wrong-un (they may well be of course) although I suspect that those who haven't broken any laws themselves have probably kept things quiet that they shouldn't have.
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If they just said that, then that would be fine. Everyone knows that not everyone will be guilty on the list.
Fact is that the list also includes people with accusations against them and they are taking exception at people talking about them. The last link from Elvis in particular plays into victim blaming and also paints Ghislaine Maxwell in a good light, despite the fact she has been found guilty of child sextrafficking. It isn't really a good look.
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Nope. It highlighted the fact that she didn't see it as a big deal. Unless she has been misquoted, they are her words and ones that have been available for many many years.
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"Ms Sjoberg's statement, which had previously been partly revealed, describes an encounter in which she claims Prince Andrew touched her breast.
She recalls a scene in which Maxwell, who was later jailed for sextrafficking offences, had shown them a puppet of Prince Andrew, which was intended as a "great joke".
"And they decided to take a picture with it, in which Virginia and Andrew sat on a couch. They put the puppet on Virginia's lap and I sat on Andrew's lap, and they put the puppet's hand on Virginia's breast, and Andrew put his hand on my breast, and they took a photo," says Ms Sjoberg's deposition.
Pressed by lawyers on the seating arrangements, she said: "Whether we were on a couch or a chair, I just remember thebooBs part, the hand on thebooBs."
Ms Sjoberg, then aged 20, had been at college when she had been recruited by Maxwell, initially she believed as an assistant before finding that she was encouraged to deliver shexualmassages for Epstein, which she resisted."
You claim the Mail quote says she didn't see otbas a big deal and was in on the joke re the Spitting Image puppet. This quote from the Beeb contradicts that Mail quote. So yes you have misquoted here using a rag of a paper reknowned for being inaccurate, having a RW agenda who are staunch defenders of the royals.
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I didn't get the quote from The Mail.
So you are saying the quote is fake?
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The quote literally says that the person is telling the Mail. So the quote is from the Mail.
Gotta wonder if a young woman being trafficked by billionaires might be a bit intimidated even to the point of fearing for their lives.
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 49 seconds ago
Gotta wonder if a young woman being trafficked by billionaires might be a bit intimidated even to the point of fearing for their lives.
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Just making something up to pass the evening along.
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posted on 4/1/24
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
For the last time, I'm not defending Prince
Andrew.
It would be all the same if it was Joe Blogg. Not to be grandiose I'm defending the law.Epstein and Maxwell were guilty and punished, good.
But nothing has been released today makes HRH guilty, they are accusations.
Nobody on here knows anything more about it than is written, and there's no guarantee that's true.
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Epstein wasn't punished. He committed suicide. Or was murdered. But not punished.
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He was about to be.
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He was about to be put on trial.
And Time magazine did an article stating his mummy would pay 2 million quid towards the 13 million.
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Oh well, that settles it then.
posted on 4/1/24
^^^^
first sentence Epstein,
Second HRN.
posted on 4/1/24
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
For the last time, I'm not defending Prince
Andrew.
It would be all the same if it was Joe Blogg. Not to be grandiose I'm defending the law.Epstein and Maxwell were guilty and punished, good.
But nothing has been released today makes HRH guilty, they are accusations.
Nobody on here knows anything more about it than is written, and there's no guarantee that's true.
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Epstein wasn't punished. He committed suicide. Or was murdered. But not punished.
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He was about to be.
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He was on remand and awaiting trial at the time of his death actually. Using your loopy logic nothing was proven at that point and he was innocent, just like Andrew.
posted on 4/1/24
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
For the last time, I'm not defending Prince
Andrew.
It would be all the same if it was Joe Blogg. Not to be grandiose I'm defending the law.Epstein and Maxwell were guilty and punished, good.
But nothing has been released today makes HRH guilty, they are accusations.
Nobody on here knows anything more about it than is written, and there's no guarantee that's true.
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Epstein wasn't punished. He committed suicide. Or was murdered. But not punished.
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He was about to be.
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He was about to be put on trial.
And Time magazine did an article stating his mummy would pay 2 million quid towards the 13 million.
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Oh well, that settles it then.
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You just keep tugging that forelock.
posted on 4/1/24
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 3 hours, 49 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 7 minutes ago
Rejoining this convo after a while but surely what MU52 and Elvis are stating is that names on a list isn't enough to presume guilt immediately. I do expect that to come in a bit in the fallout though as people rush to defend themselves by implicating others. It's not an automatic thing that everyone who is on the list is a wrong-un (they may well be of course) although I suspect that those who haven't broken any laws themselves have probably kept things quiet that they shouldn't have.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If they just said that, then that would be fine. Everyone knows that not everyone will be guilty on the list.
Fact is that the list also includes people with accusations against them and they are taking exception at people talking about them. The last link from Elvis in particular plays into victim blaming and also paints Ghislaine Maxwell in a good light, despite the fact she has been found guilty of child sextrafficking. It isn't really a good look.
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Nope. It highlighted the fact that she didn't see it as a big deal. Unless she has been misquoted, they are her words and ones that have been available for many many years.
posted on 4/1/24
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
For the last time, I'm not defending Prince
Andrew.
It would be all the same if it was Joe Blogg. Not to be grandiose I'm defending the law.Epstein and Maxwell were guilty and punished, good.
But nothing has been released today makes HRH guilty, they are accusations.
Nobody on here knows anything more about it than is written, and there's no guarantee that's true.
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Epstein wasn't punished. He committed suicide. Or was murdered. But not punished.
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He was about to be.
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He was on remand and awaiting trial at the time of his death actually. Using your loopy logic nothing was proven at that point and he was innocent, just like Andrew.
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It's not loopy logic is it. It's the law.
posted on 4/1/24
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
For the last time, I'm not defending Prince
Andrew.
It would be all the same if it was Joe Blogg. Not to be grandiose I'm defending the law.Epstein and Maxwell were guilty and punished, good.
But nothing has been released today makes HRH guilty, they are accusations.
Nobody on here knows anything more about it than is written, and there's no guarantee that's true.
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Epstein wasn't punished. He committed suicide. Or was murdered. But not punished.
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He was about to be.
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He was on remand and awaiting trial at the time of his death actually. Using your loopy logic nothing was proven at that point and he was innocent, just like Andrew.
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Loopy.
posted on 4/1/24
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
For the last time, I'm not defending Prince
Andrew.
It would be all the same if it was Joe Blogg. Not to be grandiose I'm defending the law.Epstein and Maxwell were guilty and punished, good.
But nothing has been released today makes HRH guilty, they are accusations.
Nobody on here knows anything more about it than is written, and there's no guarantee that's true.
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Epstein wasn't punished. He committed suicide. Or was murdered. But not punished.
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He was about to be.
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He was on remand and awaiting trial at the time of his death actually. Using your loopy logic nothing was proven at that point and he was innocent, just like Andrew.
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It's not loopy logic is it. It's the law.
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But you're right, he hadn't been tried, my bad.
posted on 4/1/24
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 4 hours, 10 minutes ago
The more you read that excerpt from Elvis, the worse it gets. It literally paints Ghislaine Maxwell in a good light, as if she was fun and just a bit promiscuous. She's been found guilty of child sextrafficking.
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Has she been misquoted? Is the quote I pasted not real?
Again, no-one is defending Prince Andrew and certainly not Maxwell. I just don't think that the released documents are anything new or groundbreaking. It'll likely get a lot more interesting if and when more are released
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That's what the quote you posted did though. It also victim blamed someone who was sextrafficked. It was a pretty horrific quote to post. Particularly if you aren't looking to victim blame or show Ghislaine Maxwell in a good light.
posted on 4/1/24
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 3 hours, 56 minutes ago
Rejoining this convo after a while but surely what MU52 and Elvis are stating is that names on a list isn't enough to presume guilt immediately. I do expect that to come in a bit in the fallout though as people rush to defend themselves by implicating others. It's not an automatic thing that everyone who is on the list is a wrong-un (they may well be of course) although I suspect that those who haven't broken any laws themselves have probably kept things quiet that they shouldn't have.
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Not hard to grasp is it?
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I certainly don't consider you or MU52 to be sympathetic at all towards Andrew, Maxwell, Epstein etc.
posted on 4/1/24
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago
The comments by MU52, Elvis and Boris make me think victim blaming and non consensual sexualconduct must be a Manchester thing.
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You mean direct quotes?
posted on 4/1/24
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 3 hours, 56 minutes ago
Rejoining this convo after a while but surely what MU52 and Elvis are stating is that names on a list isn't enough to presume guilt immediately. I do expect that to come in a bit in the fallout though as people rush to defend themselves by implicating others. It's not an automatic thing that everyone who is on the list is a wrong-un (they may well be of course) although I suspect that those who haven't broken any laws themselves have probably kept things quiet that they shouldn't have.
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Not hard to grasp is it?
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I certainly don't consider you or MU52 to be sympathetic at all towards Andrew, Maxwell, Epstein etc.
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I'm certainly not. But he was a real business man, I presume there would have been meetings for that purpose.
posted on 4/1/24
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 45 seconds ago
The comments by MU52, Elvis and Boris make me think victim blaming and non consensual sexualconduct must be a Manchester thing.
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At least you're thinking now. Maybe you will think that it is old news, and we know little of what was truly known by HRH, unless of course, you do know.
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I know he paid the previous accuser millions to avoid his filthy business being dragged through a court of law. I also know if I was accused of a heinous crime like that I'd want to clear my name regardless of how much money I had.
You think that being 17 means what he's apparently done is legal. Mate look up the word consent, I'll give you a hint. Its not age specific. Crack on not defending him though.
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Did she not consent then? I didn't know, how do you?
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The fact she's accused Andrew of sexualassault means she obviously didn't consent. That's the point of accusing someone of sexualassault orrape.
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She accused him much later. She didn't tell him in advance, or go to the police'
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So an accuser has to tell someone who they believe sexually assaulted them that they are going to accuse them of it before they can make the accusation now?
Your posts are getting weirder all the time. Just admit that you don't want Prince Andrew to be found guilty and leave it at that.
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She didn't follow MU52's myopic view of how sexualassault victims should act after the fact so must be making it all up apparently.
The views he's expressed on this thread are actually disturbing.
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Nope. You just keep failing to grasp the point he is making.
posted on 4/1/24
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 32 minutes ago
Tam
"In fact, don't answer that. I don't want to know. I've become increasingly disgusted at your responses this subject, so I'm going to avoid responding to you again."
Pretty much where I am with MU52's comments. Left it at advising him to show a female family member his comments on this thread and ask what they think.
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You are too dense to actually take in the points he is making.
posted on 4/1/24
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 3 hours, 49 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 7 minutes ago
Rejoining this convo after a while but surely what MU52 and Elvis are stating is that names on a list isn't enough to presume guilt immediately. I do expect that to come in a bit in the fallout though as people rush to defend themselves by implicating others. It's not an automatic thing that everyone who is on the list is a wrong-un (they may well be of course) although I suspect that those who haven't broken any laws themselves have probably kept things quiet that they shouldn't have.
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If they just said that, then that would be fine. Everyone knows that not everyone will be guilty on the list.
Fact is that the list also includes people with accusations against them and they are taking exception at people talking about them. The last link from Elvis in particular plays into victim blaming and also paints Ghislaine Maxwell in a good light, despite the fact she has been found guilty of child sextrafficking. It isn't really a good look.
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Nope. It highlighted the fact that she didn't see it as a big deal. Unless she has been misquoted, they are her words and ones that have been available for many many years.
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"Ms Sjoberg's statement, which had previously been partly revealed, describes an encounter in which she claims Prince Andrew touched her breast.
She recalls a scene in which Maxwell, who was later jailed for sextrafficking offences, had shown them a puppet of Prince Andrew, which was intended as a "great joke".
"And they decided to take a picture with it, in which Virginia and Andrew sat on a couch. They put the puppet on Virginia's lap and I sat on Andrew's lap, and they put the puppet's hand on Virginia's breast, and Andrew put his hand on my breast, and they took a photo," says Ms Sjoberg's deposition.
Pressed by lawyers on the seating arrangements, she said: "Whether we were on a couch or a chair, I just remember thebooBs part, the hand on thebooBs."
Ms Sjoberg, then aged 20, had been at college when she had been recruited by Maxwell, initially she believed as an assistant before finding that she was encouraged to deliver shexualmassages for Epstein, which she resisted."
You claim the Mail quote says she didn't see otbas a big deal and was in on the joke re the Spitting Image puppet. This quote from the Beeb contradicts that Mail quote. So yes you have misquoted here using a rag of a paper reknowned for being inaccurate, having a RW agenda who are staunch defenders of the royals.
posted on 4/1/24
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 4 hours, 10 minutes ago
The more you read that excerpt from Elvis, the worse it gets. It literally paints Ghislaine Maxwell in a good light, as if she was fun and just a bit promiscuous. She's been found guilty of child sextrafficking.
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Has she been misquoted? Is the quote I pasted not real?
Again, no-one is defending Prince Andrew and certainly not Maxwell. I just don't think that the released documents are anything new or groundbreaking. It'll likely get a lot more interesting if and when more are released
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That's what the quote you posted did though. It also victim blamed someone who was sextrafficked. It was a pretty horrific quote to post. Particularly if you aren't looking to victim blame or show Ghislaine Maxwell in a good light.
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I posted the quote to show that is wasn't soemthing new as had been claimed. The quote has been about since 2007! I just find it interesting that the bit about it being a joke and everyone laughing has disappeared now that it has been reported again.
You really need to stop twisting what people say and some desperate attempt to make them out as paeedo lovers. It's weird.
posted on 4/1/24
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 3 hours, 56 minutes ago
Rejoining this convo after a while but surely what MU52 and Elvis are stating is that names on a list isn't enough to presume guilt immediately. I do expect that to come in a bit in the fallout though as people rush to defend themselves by implicating others. It's not an automatic thing that everyone who is on the list is a wrong-un (they may well be of course) although I suspect that those who haven't broken any laws themselves have probably kept things quiet that they shouldn't have.
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Not hard to grasp is it?
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I certainly don't consider you or MU52 to be sympathetic at all towards Andrew, Maxwell, Epstein etc.
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I'm certainly not. But he was a real business man, I presume there would have been meetings for that purpose.
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Me too.
posted on 4/1/24
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 4 hours, 10 minutes ago
The more you read that excerpt from Elvis, the worse it gets. It literally paints Ghislaine Maxwell in a good light, as if she was fun and just a bit promiscuous. She's been found guilty of child sextrafficking.
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Has she been misquoted? Is the quote I pasted not real?
Again, no-one is defending Prince Andrew and certainly not Maxwell. I just don't think that the released documents are anything new or groundbreaking. It'll likely get a lot more interesting if and when more are released
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That's what the quote you posted did though. It also victim blamed someone who was sextrafficked. It was a pretty horrific quote to post. Particularly if you aren't looking to victim blame or show Ghislaine Maxwell in a good light.
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I posted the quote to show that is wasn't soemthing new as had been claimed. The quote has been about since 2007! I just find it interesting that the bit about it being a joke and everyone laughing has disappeared now that it has been reported again.
You really need to stop twisting what people say and some desperate attempt to make them out as paeedo lovers. It's weird.
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Yeah, what's a joke between sextraffickers and those who are sextrafficked.
posted on 4/1/24
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 4 hours, 10 minutes ago
The more you read that excerpt from Elvis, the worse it gets. It literally paints Ghislaine Maxwell in a good light, as if she was fun and just a bit promiscuous. She's been found guilty of child sextrafficking.
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Has she been misquoted? Is the quote I pasted not real?
Again, no-one is defending Prince Andrew and certainly not Maxwell. I just don't think that the released documents are anything new or groundbreaking. It'll likely get a lot more interesting if and when more are released
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That's what the quote you posted did though. It also victim blamed someone who was sextrafficked. It was a pretty horrific quote to post. Particularly if you aren't looking to victim blame or show Ghislaine Maxwell in a good light.
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I posted the quote to show that is wasn't soemthing new as had been claimed. The quote has been about since 2007! I just find it interesting that the bit about it being a joke and everyone laughing has disappeared now that it has been reported again.
You really need to stop twisting what people say and some desperate attempt to make them out as paeedo lovers. It's weird.
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Yeah, what's a joke between sextraffickers and those who are sextrafficked.
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A joke!
posted on 4/1/24
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 32 minutes ago
Tam
"In fact, don't answer that. I don't want to know. I've become increasingly disgusted at your responses this subject, so I'm going to avoid responding to you again."
Pretty much where I am with MU52's comments. Left it at advising him to show a female family member his comments on this thread and ask what they think.
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You are too dense to actually take in the points he is making.
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You quoted The Mail as gospel. I'll just leave that there as far as intellect is concerned. You know the Mail is one tiny notch up from The S*n in terms of accuracy and journalistic integrity.
posted on 4/1/24
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 3 hours, 49 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 7 minutes ago
Rejoining this convo after a while but surely what MU52 and Elvis are stating is that names on a list isn't enough to presume guilt immediately. I do expect that to come in a bit in the fallout though as people rush to defend themselves by implicating others. It's not an automatic thing that everyone who is on the list is a wrong-un (they may well be of course) although I suspect that those who haven't broken any laws themselves have probably kept things quiet that they shouldn't have.
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If they just said that, then that would be fine. Everyone knows that not everyone will be guilty on the list.
Fact is that the list also includes people with accusations against them and they are taking exception at people talking about them. The last link from Elvis in particular plays into victim blaming and also paints Ghislaine Maxwell in a good light, despite the fact she has been found guilty of child sextrafficking. It isn't really a good look.
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Nope. It highlighted the fact that she didn't see it as a big deal. Unless she has been misquoted, they are her words and ones that have been available for many many years.
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"Ms Sjoberg's statement, which had previously been partly revealed, describes an encounter in which she claims Prince Andrew touched her breast.
She recalls a scene in which Maxwell, who was later jailed for sextrafficking offences, had shown them a puppet of Prince Andrew, which was intended as a "great joke".
"And they decided to take a picture with it, in which Virginia and Andrew sat on a couch. They put the puppet on Virginia's lap and I sat on Andrew's lap, and they put the puppet's hand on Virginia's breast, and Andrew put his hand on my breast, and they took a photo," says Ms Sjoberg's deposition.
Pressed by lawyers on the seating arrangements, she said: "Whether we were on a couch or a chair, I just remember thebooBs part, the hand on thebooBs."
Ms Sjoberg, then aged 20, had been at college when she had been recruited by Maxwell, initially she believed as an assistant before finding that she was encouraged to deliver shexualmassages for Epstein, which she resisted."
You claim the Mail quote says she didn't see otbas a big deal and was in on the joke re the Spitting Image puppet. This quote from the Beeb contradicts that Mail quote. So yes you have misquoted here using a rag of a paper reknowned for being inaccurate, having a RW agenda who are staunch defenders of the royals.
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I didn't get the quote from The Mail.
So you are saying the quote is fake?
posted on 4/1/24
The bit about it being intended as a joke hasn't been lost. The bit that is bad is where it makes out like the person who is being groped is OK with it. The quotes from todays release don't say that at all. In fact they add about Prince Andrew's relationship with the woman he paid off and that the person believes her when she says she was sexually assaulted.
posted on 4/1/24
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 3 hours, 49 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 7 minutes ago
Rejoining this convo after a while but surely what MU52 and Elvis are stating is that names on a list isn't enough to presume guilt immediately. I do expect that to come in a bit in the fallout though as people rush to defend themselves by implicating others. It's not an automatic thing that everyone who is on the list is a wrong-un (they may well be of course) although I suspect that those who haven't broken any laws themselves have probably kept things quiet that they shouldn't have.
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If they just said that, then that would be fine. Everyone knows that not everyone will be guilty on the list.
Fact is that the list also includes people with accusations against them and they are taking exception at people talking about them. The last link from Elvis in particular plays into victim blaming and also paints Ghislaine Maxwell in a good light, despite the fact she has been found guilty of child sextrafficking. It isn't really a good look.
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Nope. It highlighted the fact that she didn't see it as a big deal. Unless she has been misquoted, they are her words and ones that have been available for many many years.
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"Ms Sjoberg's statement, which had previously been partly revealed, describes an encounter in which she claims Prince Andrew touched her breast.
She recalls a scene in which Maxwell, who was later jailed for sextrafficking offences, had shown them a puppet of Prince Andrew, which was intended as a "great joke".
"And they decided to take a picture with it, in which Virginia and Andrew sat on a couch. They put the puppet on Virginia's lap and I sat on Andrew's lap, and they put the puppet's hand on Virginia's breast, and Andrew put his hand on my breast, and they took a photo," says Ms Sjoberg's deposition.
Pressed by lawyers on the seating arrangements, she said: "Whether we were on a couch or a chair, I just remember thebooBs part, the hand on thebooBs."
Ms Sjoberg, then aged 20, had been at college when she had been recruited by Maxwell, initially she believed as an assistant before finding that she was encouraged to deliver shexualmassages for Epstein, which she resisted."
You claim the Mail quote says she didn't see otbas a big deal and was in on the joke re the Spitting Image puppet. This quote from the Beeb contradicts that Mail quote. So yes you have misquoted here using a rag of a paper reknowned for being inaccurate, having a RW agenda who are staunch defenders of the royals.
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I didn't get the quote from The Mail.
So you are saying the quote is fake?
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The quote literally says that the person is telling the Mail. So the quote is from the Mail.
posted on 4/1/24
Gotta wonder if a young woman being trafficked by billionaires might be a bit intimidated even to the point of fearing for their lives.
posted on 4/1/24
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 49 seconds ago
Gotta wonder if a young woman being trafficked by billionaires might be a bit intimidated even to the point of fearing for their lives.
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Just making something up to pass the evening along.
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