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OT: How to deal with full-on conspiracists?

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posted on 24/1/24

comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 3 hours, 23 minutes ago
I like the climate change deniers that are against it because it’s a corporater ruse, and then point to claims made by people working for fossil fuel corporations as evidence.
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"Follow the money! No, not that way!"

posted on 24/1/24

comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
posted 5 hours, 10 minutes ago
I would avoid Covid deniers - definitely dangerous. I can’t lump flat earthers in with them though. Flat earthers are utterly mental but ultimately harmless. I’ve never met a flat earther who truly believes what they are re saying and it’s dead easy to pick holes in everything they say.

For those that haven’t seen it - watch the documentary “behind the curve” it’s faaacking hilarious
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I'll add "Response to Globebusters - The Earth Still Isn't Flat" by Professor Dave Explains" to that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDy95_eNPzM

posted on 24/1/24

I was just reading a thread on X, asking: "Who knew Covid was a scam from Day 1?"

Some "knew" it was a Chinese bioweapon, while others "knew" the aim was to get jabs into people. Some "knew" about it from 2006, while others "knew" it was to help Xi against Trump. Some "knew" because UK parliament "started agreeing on everything", while others went further and said the whole globe agreed on everything.

posted on 24/1/24

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posted on 25/1/24

comment by Admin1 (U1)
posted 16 hours, 18 minutes ago
The world is now so incredibly complex that there are things we have to accept are beyond our comprehension as far as truly in depth understanding goes. RNA vaccines, Crispr, moon landings, 5G, subatomic particles etc etc.

Throw in a person's ego and unwillingness to accept that without a life specialising in that field they probably won't have more than a rudimentary comprehension, then it's far easier for them to accept the conspiracy theory than to accept they have to defer a degree of trust to experts at multi billion dollar companies.
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This is very true.

My partner's a fully qualified doctor, who in total spent over 13 years in training, and even after 25+ years of practice, still invests hours on end keeping up to date with the most recent developments in her field.

According to my mate - who has zero scientific background and no formal qualifications - my decision, when it came to vaccine issues, to trust my partner's better knowledge, ability to comprehend and interpret medical literature and statistical analysis, and her overall experience and general wisdom in the medical field made me a sheep for not dOiNg mY oWn rEsEaRcH.


Our fall-out actually began when it emerged that his wife, who is/was a dear friend of my partner's, nearly died at home from Covid because they refused to take her to hospital. They decided not to tell us she was seriously ill, because they feared my partner might talk them into going to hospital, and according to the 'inside information' they had, nobody attending hospital with a respiratory infection would come out alive. This massive cull was necessary, apparently, in order to justify cOnTrOl.

They basically said that all this was happening under my partner's very nose ... it wasn't so much that they didn't trust her per se, but that she had no idea of what was actually going on.

posted on 25/1/24

comment by Robb - Glenn Maxwell. Legend. Hero. Icon. (U22716)
posted 20 hours, 10 minutes ago
I genuinely feel there’s no way back for a lot of these people. When you believe that anything could be a conspiracy/lie than nothing will ever seem true to them ever again. For them there’s a very real possibility that 1+1 could actually be 3 and the swamp have been lying to you for centuries that it’s actually 2.

I did see one documentary about these people and they did find one question kinda scratched beneath the surface. It was ‘is there anything that could convince you you’re wrong?’

People within reach will answer with something that could drag them back from the precipice. Those who don’t will forever be part of the idiocracy.
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Robbie has summarised my thoughts here perfectly. Some people can be saved, some cannot. I try to work with those that can be saved, those that cannot, i abandon them.

posted on 25/1/24

I know one antivaxx nutter. She can clear a room in two minutes flat. She ended upon her own at Christmas as no one wanted to listen to her tedious bs yet again. Even her own kids couldn’t handle it.

posted on 25/1/24

Our fall-out actually began when it emerged that his wife, who is/was a dear friend of my partner's, nearly died at home from Covid because they refused to take her to hospital. They decided not to tell us she was seriously ill, because they feared my partner might talk them into going to hospital, and according to the 'inside information' they had, nobody attending hospital with a respiratory infection would come out alive. This massive cull was necessary, apparently, in order to justify cOnTrOl.
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I mean that’s just crazy isn’t it, and dangerous. I’ve had similar when a I’ve asked ‘Is my brother part of the international conspiracy involving all senior medical staff?’

Half these politicians can’t organise their own party, let alone a multinational conspiracy involving literally millions of people.

The weirdest thing I find with COVID is it’s not like we’ve not seen a pandemic in history before. Was the plague about control? I could go on.

We’ve already seen it called a scamdemic on here. It’s just fvcking nuts, I don’t really know how else to describe it.

It’s the making up of stuff that really bends my head.

‘We’re being forced to have the vaccine”
- not a single person was forced

‘The hospitals are empty’
- No they’re not, that’s completely baseless

“Masks don’t work”
- yes they do

Again, I could go on.

posted on 25/1/24

Regarding masks - I ask this of every anti-masker out there and never get a clear answer.

If you were in an elevator with someone you knew had Covid would you prefer both of you wore masks or neither of you wore masks?

I’m certain the vast majority of people would prefer someone wore a mask as even if you doubt they’ll 100% work, surely going by the principle they reduce the spread a tiny bit means it’s worth wearing?

Multiply a ‘bit’ by millions of people and you can see why the concept of masks was a prerequisite during Covid and why they’re so popular in Asia. Masks actually stopped a lockdown from being needed in South Korea.

posted on 25/1/24

comment by Robb - Glenn Maxwell. Legend. Hero. Icon. (U22716)
posted 7 minutes ago
Regarding masks - I ask this of every anti-masker out there and never get a clear answer.

If you were in an elevator with someone you knew had Covid would you prefer both of you wore masks or neither of you wore masks?

I’m certain the vast majority of people would prefer someone wore a mask as even if you doubt they’ll 100% work, surely going by the principle they reduce the spread a tiny bit means it’s worth wearing?

Multiply a ‘bit’ by millions of people and you can see why the concept of masks was a prerequisite during Covid and why they’re so popular in Asia. Masks actually stopped a lockdown from being needed in South Korea.
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Yeah bit like if you said you are betting on Man City to win at home against someone crap and they are 1/10 to win, they might say it is pointless cos you won't win much money at all but if you put on 100 teams at 1/10 in an acca then you are you are going to make a lot of money. Well the Tory party member's family are, from mask sales lol.

posted on 25/1/24

There was quite a good meme I saw of someone wearing a mask, and another person laughing at him as "The government says you don't need to wear masks any more."
The guy responds with "I'm not following the government guidelines like some sheep."

It is funny how many conspiracy theorists follow the "Authority can't be trusted unless they agree with me" mantra.

comment by #4zA (U22472)

posted on 25/1/24

comment by Drunken Hobo (U7360)
posted 9 minutes ago
There was quite a good meme I saw of someone wearing a mask, and another person laughing at him as "The government says you don't need to wear masks any more."
The guy responds with "I'm not following the government guidelines like some sheep."

It is funny how many conspiracy theorists follow the "Authority can't be trusted unless they agree with me" mantra.
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Yer n if Guvmint wanted 2 kill us all why dud they ask us 2 ware masks n keep away from each other? There plan was working grate until they said that.

posted on 25/1/24

Apparently the masks – as well as things like one-way systems in supermarkets – were a test of compliance.

The government put these things in place to see how many of us complied, and how easy it was to control us.

Quite how this data was collected, and by whom, and for what purpose, remains a mystery.

But the best and bravest in our society did not comply.

They saw an arrow on the floor in a supermarket, and in a display of courage that few of us can even begin to comprehend, they walked in the opposite direction.

We owe so much to these heroes.

posted on 25/1/24

it was Peks remember in the early days of the pandemic who advocated masks for all

it those early days I was going against the received wisdom on this site

posted on 25/1/24

comment by Jalisco Red (U4195)
posted 42 minutes ago
Apparently the masks – as well as things like one-way systems in supermarkets – were a test of compliance.

The government put these things in place to see how many of us complied, and how easy it was to control us.

Quite how this data was collected, and by whom, and for what purpose, remains a mystery.

But the best and bravest in our society did not comply.

They saw an arrow on the floor in a supermarket, and in a display of courage that few of us can even begin to comprehend, they walked in the opposite direction.

We owe so much to these heroes.
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They'll be the first to volunteer for National Service if it comes to that I'm sure.

posted on 25/1/24

comment by Robb - Glenn Maxwell. Legend. Hero. Icon. (U22716)
posted 3 hours, 41 minutes ago
Regarding masks - I ask this of every anti-masker out there and never get a clear answer.

If you were in an elevator with someone you knew had Covid would you prefer both of you wore masks or neither of you wore masks?

I’m certain the vast majority of people would prefer someone wore a mask as even if you doubt they’ll 100% work, surely going by the principle they reduce the spread a tiny bit means it’s worth wearing?

Multiply a ‘bit’ by millions of people and you can see why the concept of masks was a prerequisite during Covid and why they’re so popular in Asia. Masks actually stopped a lockdown from being needed in South Korea.
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The anti-mask thing has the same dynamics of right-wing libertarianism, in that it presents itself as an objection to infringement of individual freedom, but really it's based on hostility to exercise of the common good. The same people tend to be fine with banning books that acknowledge the existence of gay and trans people. It's just any hint of coordinated solidarity that sends them to the barricades.

posted on 25/1/24

I've always wanted to give Anarchism a go. Do you reckon it would be good for a TV show, where you get a large group of people living on an island and they have to start from scratch with no laws, traditions etc?

An interesting thought experiment is to do a ctrl+alt+del on society and discuss what we would have in our new society. Bearing in mind in this scenario no one has heard of religion etc. You are then left asking why we have certain aspects of society just because they have always been that way.

Some guy comes along tomorrow claiming to be the son of god (what's god?) then suggests that we all go to a building on Sundays and make wishes on some benches. We gonna make laws based on what this made up person says as well. Probably chuck that idea out.

It would work for me if I got to choose the people to join the society initially. For example if you invited Peks to join you would need to establish certain laws quite quickly.

posted on 25/1/24

comment by Jalisco Red (U4195)
posted 53 minutes ago
Apparently the masks – as well as things like one-way systems in supermarkets – were a test of compliance.

The government put these things in place to see how many of us complied, and how easy it was to control us.

Quite how this data was collected, and by whom, and for what purpose, remains a mystery.

But the best and bravest in our society did not comply.

They saw an arrow on the floor in a supermarket, and in a display of courage that few of us can even begin to comprehend, they walked in the opposite direction.

We owe so much to these heroes.
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Tracy at till no.5 who looked like the missing link was actually a reptilian with paranormal computing skills.

posted on 25/1/24

comment by Frank van Eijs (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
I've always wanted to give Anarchism a go. Do you reckon it would be good for a TV show, where you get a large group of people living on an island and they have to start from scratch with no laws, traditions etc?

An interesting thought experiment is to do a ctrl+alt+del on society and discuss what we would have in our new society. Bearing in mind in this scenario no one has heard of religion etc. You are then left asking why we have certain aspects of society just because they have always been that way.

Some guy comes along tomorrow claiming to be the son of god (what's god?) then suggests that we all go to a building on Sundays and make wishes on some benches. We gonna make laws based on what this made up person says as well. Probably chuck that idea out.

It would work for me if I got to choose the people to join the society initially. For example if you invited Peks to join you would need to establish certain laws quite quickly.
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I’d watch it.

I did have an idea for a TV show based on flat earthers.

Get a group of them in pair and offer a £1m prize for whoever finds the edge first.

posted on 25/1/24

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Robb - Glenn Maxwell. Legend. Hero. Icon. (U22716)
posted 3 hours, 41 minutes ago
Regarding masks - I ask this of every anti-masker out there and never get a clear answer.

If you were in an elevator with someone you knew had Covid would you prefer both of you wore masks or neither of you wore masks?

I’m certain the vast majority of people would prefer someone wore a mask as even if you doubt they’ll 100% work, surely going by the principle they reduce the spread a tiny bit means it’s worth wearing?

Multiply a ‘bit’ by millions of people and you can see why the concept of masks was a prerequisite during Covid and why they’re so popular in Asia. Masks actually stopped a lockdown from being needed in South Korea.
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The anti-mask thing has the same dynamics of right-wing libertarianism, in that it presents itself as an objection to infringement of individual freedom, but really it's based on hostility to exercise of the common good. The same people tend to be fine with banning books that acknowledge the existence of gay and trans people. It's just any hint of coordinated solidarity that sends them to the barricades.
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'Exercise of the common good' sounds suspiciously like COMMUNISM

Seriously though, it annoyed me so much hearing Republican politicians saying things like 'It's amazing how quickly Covid morphed into communism'.

I honestly don't know how these people get through life. Their hatred of and disdain for every single person around them must be constantly burning them up inside.

The idea that they could be marginally inconvenienced, e.g. by wearing a mask, for the sake of other people seems to have pushed many of them over the edge.

posted on 25/1/24

Has any flat earthers managed to establish how deep the Earth is?

posted on 25/1/24

comment by Ding! Dong! Mourinho's gone! ... (U6426)
posted 2 minutes ago
Has any flat earthers managed to establish how deep the Earth is?
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No, but we know that there are four layers: the Underearth, which is the realm of demons; the Flat Earth itself; the Upperearth, which is the realm of the gods; and the Innerearth, the realm of the dead.

posted on 25/1/24

comment by Ding! Dong! Mourinho's gone! LAJM! (U6426)
posted 3 minutes ago
Has any flat earthers managed to establish how deep the Earth is?
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Can we please stop making this a mum's net forum? We are meant to be here to talk about Footdisk.

comment by #4zA (U22472)

posted on 25/1/24

Of the earth was round

How is it my wheelie garbage cans did not role down the street this morning when i puttem out?

posted on 25/1/24

comment by Frank van Eijs (U1734)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Ding! Dong! Mourinho's gone!LAJM!(U6426)
posted 3 minutes ago
Has any flat earthers managed to establish how deep the Earth is?
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Can we please stop making this a mum's net forum? We are meant to be here to talk about Footdisk.
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