It is not that i do not buy into the big picture or embrace the approach that we are taking, as it is better than anything most of us could have imagined last summer....but i do wonder how far we can go with it.
What has often been our weakness has been our attitude and belief. I don't think we have genuinely had that unwavering self-belief that the successful teams have.
I feel that Ange has changed that to a degree and the focus has shifted away from the occasion/moment and more towards our level of performance. Consequently the Spursy moments are few and really its been injury/suspension/international absence that has tripped us up this season from being in an even stronger position.
But what is unknown for me is whether we can sufficiently make ourselves such a force that our general defensive openness becomes very difficult to attack.
Liverpool have always had labelled at them that they attack so much, that the FBs are so far forward, that you just had to knock it into the space behind TAA...but so few were able to successfully do so because their attack was so formidable and their high press so effective that it was easier said than done. Not to mention VVD mopping up in behind.
I see Ange's approach more like Klopp's than any others. Aggressive, whereas Pep and Pep-lite are far more controlled.
Arsenal have a good balance of very solid defence and free flowing attack and I don't think we will ever evolve into something like that under Ange.
On the basis that we continue to improve the squad, we may be able to take Angeball close to the top. Its a Klopp-esque style so to emulate that we also need to emulate the sort of quality they had at their peak - Mane, Salah, VVD, TAA, Robertson, Allison, Firminho., Fabinho
We're making some strides towards that. It will take some doing, but i am totally up for the ride !
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
It is not that i do not buy into the big picture or embrace the approach that we are taking, as it is better than anything most of us could have imagined last summer....but i do wonder how far we can go with it.
What has often been our weakness has been our attitude and belief. I don't think we have genuinely had that unwavering self-belief that the successful teams have.
I feel that Ange has changed that to a degree and the focus has shifted away from the occasion/moment and more towards our level of performance. Consequently the Spursy moments are few and really its been injury/suspension/international absence that has tripped us up this season from being in an even stronger position.
But what is unknown for me is whether we can sufficiently make ourselves such a force that our general defensive openness becomes very difficult to attack.
Liverpool have always had labelled at them that they attack so much, that the FBs are so far forward, that you just had to knock it into the space behind TAA...but so few were able to successfully do so because their attack was so formidable and their high press so effective that it was easier said than done. Not to mention VVD mopping up in behind.
I see Ange's approach more like Klopp's than any others. Aggressive, whereas Pep and Pep-lite are far more controlled.
Arsenal have a good balance of very solid defence and free flowing attack and I don't think we will ever evolve into something like that under Ange.
On the basis that we continue to improve the squad, we may be able to take Angeball close to the top. Its a Klopp-esque style so to emulate that we also need to emulate the sort of quality they had at their peak - Mane, Salah, VVD, TAA, Robertson, Allison, Firminho., Fabinho
We're making some strides towards that. It will take some doing, but i am totally up for the ride !
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It sounds like you are supportive of the "process" (horrible word!) on the whole.
I actually have no doubts that we will become a formidable force under Ange (if everyone holds their nerve).
I would argue that the potential of Vicario, Porro, Romero, VdV and Udogie gives us great hope to emulate the Liverpool defensive players that you mentioned.
The real key now is to bolster those positions (and this has started with Dragusin) and to look at imrpoving our goal scoring threat.
I think you'd be hard pushed to find a Spurs fan who is not happy with our direction and not "along for the ride".
I see so many positives, though there is no question how open we are could cost us at big moments, we will see.
The question is, is Levy along for the ride or will he lock the cheque book up in Fort Knox the second we start becoming competitive.
That is my biggest worry. The second Poch was competitive, Levy's attitude was "we've got a good team, so no more players for you then Poch". One player signed in 4 transfer windows whilst everyone around us strengthened and strengthened, I hope it doesn't happen again.
I think you'll be hard pressed to find anyone who isn't on the Ange train. Yes, there have been times when we've been woefully exposed but its his first season and we can't expect things to be perfect yet, particularly as he's yet to fully construct a side in his image. Many of the squad are those he inherited.
What some fans don't seem to understand is that it's perfectly fine to criticise a manager/players in an isolated game but still have belief that they'll get things right long term. Some, like Luka, just don't get that. He sees things entirely in black and white. If you criticise the manager once, that's it, you don't like him and you want him sacked. It's completely absurd and that's the kind of bullshiiiiiit Sizz gets attacked for. I loved Pochettino but there were certain in-game decisions that had me screaming at the tv. Doesn't mean I didn't believe in him whole-heartedly.
If any Spurs fan is truly 'Ange out' then I don't believe they're actually Spurs fans. They can't be.
comment by EDDIEVH (U8193)
posted 1 minute ago
I think you'd be hard pushed to find a Spurs fan who is not happy with our direction and not "along for the ride".
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You'd be surprised!
I not going to mention any names, but Hengy gave a hint of one in his reply.
There are some on here where it's top 4 or nothing.
Well Newcastle and Man U achieved top 4 last season. Look at them now. You've got to build on solid foundations.
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
It is not that i do not buy into the big picture or embrace the approach that we are taking, as it is better than anything most of us could have imagined last summer....but i do wonder how far we can go with it.
What has often been our weakness has been our attitude and belief. I don't think we have genuinely had that unwavering self-belief that the successful teams have.
I feel that Ange has changed that to a degree and the focus has shifted away from the occasion/moment and more towards our level of performance. Consequently the Spursy moments are few and really its been injury/suspension/international absence that has tripped us up this season from being in an even stronger position.
But what is unknown for me is whether we can sufficiently make ourselves such a force that our general defensive openness becomes very difficult to attack.
Liverpool have always had labelled at them that they attack so much, that the FBs are so far forward, that you just had to knock it into the space behind TAA...but so few were able to successfully do so because their attack was so formidable and their high press so effective that it was easier said than done. Not to mention VVD mopping up in behind.
I see Ange's approach more like Klopp's than any others. Aggressive, whereas Pep and Pep-lite are far more controlled.
Arsenal have a good balance of very solid defence and free flowing attack and I don't think we will ever evolve into something like that under Ange.
On the basis that we continue to improve the squad, we may be able to take Angeball close to the top. Its a Klopp-esque style so to emulate that we also need to emulate the sort of quality they had at their peak - Mane, Salah, VVD, TAA, Robertson, Allison, Firminho., Fabinho
We're making some strides towards that. It will take some doing, but i am totally up for the ride !
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It sounds like you are supportive of the "process" (horrible word!) on the whole.
I actually have no doubts that we will become a formidable force under Ange (if everyone holds their nerve).
I would argue that the potential of Vicario, Porro, Romero, VdV and Udogie gives us great hope to emulate the Liverpool defensive players that you mentioned.
The real key now is to bolster those positions (and this has started with Dragusin) and to look at imrpoving our goal scoring threat.
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Yes, very much supportive of the dreaded "Process".
The defence does look very well set for 5 years or more. The midfield also, for the nest 3 or 4, although the back up needs upgrading (PEH/GLC). Strikers need to be added to/upgraded too in one or 2 positions.
Just plucking names but a Toney and a Neto level signing would truly make us a force.. But i think that's the level we need to go for if we are to make Ange-ball truly successful.
There is no substitute for quality if you want to win top stuff.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 5 minutes ago
I think you'll be hard pressed to find anyone who isn't on the Ange train. Yes, there have been times when we've been woefully exposed but its his first season and we can't expect things to be perfect yet, particularly as he's yet to fully construct a side in his image. Many of the squad are those he inherited.
What some fans don't seem to understand is that it's perfectly fine to criticise a manager/players in an isolated game but still have belief that they'll get things right long term. Some, like Luka, just don't get that. He sees things entirely in black and white. If you criticise the manager once, that's it, you don't like him and you want him sacked. It's completely absurd and that's the kind of bullshiiiiiit Sizz gets attacked for. I loved Pochettino but there were certain in-game decisions that had me screaming at the tv. Doesn't mean I didn't believe in him whole-heartedly.
If any Spurs fan is truly 'Ange out' then I don't believe they're actually Spurs fans. They can't be.
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Nah! Sizzle is 75% negative. He's incredulous that we haven't won a trophy this season and considers our cup runs under Ange as shambolic....which is very far from the truth. Any attempt to justify why we are not yet the best team in the world after 6 months of Ange is met with "loser mentality" or "excuses" responses from him.
If anyone sees in B&W then he's your man.
comment by EDDIEVH (U8193)
posted 13 minutes ago
I think you'd be hard pushed to find a Spurs fan who is not happy with our direction and not "along for the ride".
I see so many positives, though there is no question how open we are could cost us at big moments, we will see.
The question is, is Levy along for the ride or will he lock the cheque book up in Fort Knox the second we start becoming competitive.
That is my biggest worry. The second Poch was competitive, Levy's attitude was "we've got a good team, so no more players for you then Poch". One player signed in 4 transfer windows whilst everyone around us strengthened and strengthened, I hope it doesn't happen again.
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When Poch was competitive we were mid-stadium build. The money needed wasnt really there to kick on.
It may have been a conscious decision not to over stretch ourselves, but it wasn't because we were chasing profit or just unwilling to buy, there was good reason and it was Spursy-like poor timing.
Sizz and Luka are opposite sides of a ridiculous coin
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by EDDIEVH (U8193)
posted 1 minute ago
I think you'd be hard pushed to find a Spurs fan who is not happy with our direction and not "along for the ride".
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You'd be surprised!
I not going to mention any names, but Hengy gave a hint of one in his reply.
There are some on here where it's top 4 or nothing.
Well Newcastle and Man U achieved top 4 last season. Look at them now. You've got to build on solid foundations.
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5th place gets top 4 this season though doesn't it?
I’m totally behind Ange. He’s a breath of fresh air
I particularly loved what he said the other day about only being focussed on making this club the best and not just top 4. Let’s hope Levy doesn’t let him down on his ambition, because no manager can do that without investing in top quality players, and we are talking 80-100m players. Dont need a full team of them, but one or 2 like Liverpool did.
The days of a Brian Clough turning second division team into European champions are long gone. We are a big club, but for Ange to turn us into the best is gonna take ENIC to invest
I'm fully behind Ange but in terms of a failure if we don't get top 4, well it would be if we don't get CL. We're certainly good enough to get top 4 from this point and we haven't come close in any domestic trophies. It wouldn't be to say Ange wouldn't have done a decent job, say we finish 5th. I'll have been pleased at us showing signs of progress.
I do also expect a good end to the season though. Players like BJ and Werner looking more up to it, Maddison coming back to the form he showed pre-injury. He even said himself he felt like he was gradually getting back to those levels, which show he wasn't quite at it before and this didn't help with certain games like against Wolves and Everton. Now we have an almost full strength team again I don't think it's unfair to see us unbeaten up to late April and with 3 or 4 wins in the next 5 games.
How can anyone doubt Ange?
He is like Martin Jol, Redknapp and Crocodile Dundee in one
Serious;y, I said it was a must win game for us because had we lost it we would be like 8 points behind and witha deflated moral. Also, like I sai in my comment, I don't hink Ange ever thinks about settling for a "draw". He is a winner. He is tryingto instill it in us, fans and players alike.
The real question is now that Ange has gone a long way to show us his metal and trade, will Levy back him in the summer transfer window? For a start, we need a genuine out and out striker.
Kane could be the one
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'm fully behind Ange but in terms of a failure if we don't get top 4, well it would be if we don't get CL. We're certainly good enough to get top 4 from this point and we haven't come close in any domestic trophies. It wouldn't be to say Ange wouldn't have done a decent job, say we finish 5th. I'll have been pleased at us showing signs of progress.
I do also expect a good end to the season though. Players like BJ and Werner looking more up to it, Maddison coming back to the form he showed pre-injury. He even said himself he felt like he was gradually getting back to those levels, which show he wasn't quite at it before and this didn't help with certain games like against Wolves and Everton. Now we have an almost full strength team again I don't think it's unfair to see us unbeaten up to late April and with 3 or 4 wins in the next 5 games.
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But you are judging top 4 based on now.
Was top 4 at the start of the season a realistic target, Was top 6 even.
It wasnt because most can understand the changes that had to happen and the difficulty of doing this. Poch took us to 5th, Klopp took LFC to 8th, as did Arteta, Pep won nothing but took over a team already in 2nd.
From here we can have very strong hopes of top 4, but if we fail it will not be because Ange has failed but because we are still very early in our development and things will be up and down and we are clearly not ready for it yet.
Europa would be acceptable to me and actually in terms of progression it isa great competition to reintegrate us back in to playing twice a week and gives the manager some "easier" games to really explore some of the squad and academy options. The latter stages are pretty good and that's when we go hard at it, IMO.
Win lose or draw I'll always love Ange because I really like his philosophy and general approach to the game. Obviously we all hope he's the guy to turn the trophy tide around but even if he doesn't, my hope is that he's given the time to build something properly and that the club fully backs it. I think he's starting to and all the noise from inside the club is positive so that's cool.
Ange's comments about getting fourth place sum it up for me. Building that culture and identity is more important than short term success. I want to see a team where any player can come in and perform, because the system works and they know what they're doing. Like Liverpool. Similarly I want the club to be able to hire the next manager without rebuilding the squad, because the system works. Like Brighton but better.
I’m fully ange in until I’m fully ange out
Ange is good. If he can cut in half the goals you concede then you'll really be in business.
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 25 minutes ago
Ange in, levy out π
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yes, bottom line
Though Levy has had a semi good summer transfer, aided by FFP
Do another good one Levy, and he will be Levy in too
I hope he erases the memory of ratboy Poch and leads the club to greatness.
Top manager and just what the club needs.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 40 minutes ago
I think you'll be hard pressed to find anyone who isn't on the Ange train. Yes, there have been times when we've been woefully exposed but its his first season and we can't expect things to be perfect yet, particularly as he's yet to fully construct a side in his image. Many of the squad are those he inherited.
What some fans don't seem to understand is that it's perfectly fine to criticise a manager/players in an isolated game but still have belief that they'll get things right long term. Some, like Luka, just don't get that. He sees things entirely in black and white. If you criticise the manager once, that's it, you don't like him and you want him sacked. It's completely absurd and that's the kind of bullshiiiiiit Sizz gets attacked for. I loved Pochettino but there were certain in-game decisions that had me screaming at the tv. Doesn't mean I didn't believe in him whole-heartedly.
If any Spurs fan is truly 'Ange out' then I don't believe they're actually Spurs fans. They can't be.
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You're a mug who changes his mind the way the wind blows. During the Wolves game you were saying something about Ange's 'cocksure attitude' grinding you or something. I see your true colours lad.
Sunday was great though. Defo time to relive it
At HT this is you :
Think Villa are managing the game to reserve energy for the Ajax game midweek. I expect a more fiery side in the second half. I think they’re gonna go for it. Our chance to grab the points was in that first half I think. So many opportunities to exploit their high line and no one is spotting the runs of both son and Maddison.
πππ
Then when you were negative about Son, he went and scored πππ.
You're defo one of the biggest clowns on our board. Right up there with you pal Sizzflake.
comment by Luka Brasi π« (U22178)
posted 46 seconds ago
I hope he erases the memory of ratboy Poch and leads the club to greatness.
Top manager and just what the club needs.
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A slight improvement on King Jose & Antonio Luka
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posted on 11/3/24
@sizzle
posted on 11/3/24
It is not that i do not buy into the big picture or embrace the approach that we are taking, as it is better than anything most of us could have imagined last summer....but i do wonder how far we can go with it.
What has often been our weakness has been our attitude and belief. I don't think we have genuinely had that unwavering self-belief that the successful teams have.
I feel that Ange has changed that to a degree and the focus has shifted away from the occasion/moment and more towards our level of performance. Consequently the Spursy moments are few and really its been injury/suspension/international absence that has tripped us up this season from being in an even stronger position.
But what is unknown for me is whether we can sufficiently make ourselves such a force that our general defensive openness becomes very difficult to attack.
Liverpool have always had labelled at them that they attack so much, that the FBs are so far forward, that you just had to knock it into the space behind TAA...but so few were able to successfully do so because their attack was so formidable and their high press so effective that it was easier said than done. Not to mention VVD mopping up in behind.
I see Ange's approach more like Klopp's than any others. Aggressive, whereas Pep and Pep-lite are far more controlled.
Arsenal have a good balance of very solid defence and free flowing attack and I don't think we will ever evolve into something like that under Ange.
On the basis that we continue to improve the squad, we may be able to take Angeball close to the top. Its a Klopp-esque style so to emulate that we also need to emulate the sort of quality they had at their peak - Mane, Salah, VVD, TAA, Robertson, Allison, Firminho., Fabinho
We're making some strides towards that. It will take some doing, but i am totally up for the ride !
posted on 11/3/24
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
It is not that i do not buy into the big picture or embrace the approach that we are taking, as it is better than anything most of us could have imagined last summer....but i do wonder how far we can go with it.
What has often been our weakness has been our attitude and belief. I don't think we have genuinely had that unwavering self-belief that the successful teams have.
I feel that Ange has changed that to a degree and the focus has shifted away from the occasion/moment and more towards our level of performance. Consequently the Spursy moments are few and really its been injury/suspension/international absence that has tripped us up this season from being in an even stronger position.
But what is unknown for me is whether we can sufficiently make ourselves such a force that our general defensive openness becomes very difficult to attack.
Liverpool have always had labelled at them that they attack so much, that the FBs are so far forward, that you just had to knock it into the space behind TAA...but so few were able to successfully do so because their attack was so formidable and their high press so effective that it was easier said than done. Not to mention VVD mopping up in behind.
I see Ange's approach more like Klopp's than any others. Aggressive, whereas Pep and Pep-lite are far more controlled.
Arsenal have a good balance of very solid defence and free flowing attack and I don't think we will ever evolve into something like that under Ange.
On the basis that we continue to improve the squad, we may be able to take Angeball close to the top. Its a Klopp-esque style so to emulate that we also need to emulate the sort of quality they had at their peak - Mane, Salah, VVD, TAA, Robertson, Allison, Firminho., Fabinho
We're making some strides towards that. It will take some doing, but i am totally up for the ride !
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It sounds like you are supportive of the "process" (horrible word!) on the whole.
I actually have no doubts that we will become a formidable force under Ange (if everyone holds their nerve).
I would argue that the potential of Vicario, Porro, Romero, VdV and Udogie gives us great hope to emulate the Liverpool defensive players that you mentioned.
The real key now is to bolster those positions (and this has started with Dragusin) and to look at imrpoving our goal scoring threat.
posted on 11/3/24
I think you'd be hard pushed to find a Spurs fan who is not happy with our direction and not "along for the ride".
I see so many positives, though there is no question how open we are could cost us at big moments, we will see.
The question is, is Levy along for the ride or will he lock the cheque book up in Fort Knox the second we start becoming competitive.
That is my biggest worry. The second Poch was competitive, Levy's attitude was "we've got a good team, so no more players for you then Poch". One player signed in 4 transfer windows whilst everyone around us strengthened and strengthened, I hope it doesn't happen again.
posted on 11/3/24
I think you'll be hard pressed to find anyone who isn't on the Ange train. Yes, there have been times when we've been woefully exposed but its his first season and we can't expect things to be perfect yet, particularly as he's yet to fully construct a side in his image. Many of the squad are those he inherited.
What some fans don't seem to understand is that it's perfectly fine to criticise a manager/players in an isolated game but still have belief that they'll get things right long term. Some, like Luka, just don't get that. He sees things entirely in black and white. If you criticise the manager once, that's it, you don't like him and you want him sacked. It's completely absurd and that's the kind of bullshiiiiiit Sizz gets attacked for. I loved Pochettino but there were certain in-game decisions that had me screaming at the tv. Doesn't mean I didn't believe in him whole-heartedly.
If any Spurs fan is truly 'Ange out' then I don't believe they're actually Spurs fans. They can't be.
posted on 11/3/24
comment by EDDIEVH (U8193)
posted 1 minute ago
I think you'd be hard pushed to find a Spurs fan who is not happy with our direction and not "along for the ride".
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You'd be surprised!
I not going to mention any names, but Hengy gave a hint of one in his reply.
There are some on here where it's top 4 or nothing.
Well Newcastle and Man U achieved top 4 last season. Look at them now. You've got to build on solid foundations.
posted on 11/3/24
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
It is not that i do not buy into the big picture or embrace the approach that we are taking, as it is better than anything most of us could have imagined last summer....but i do wonder how far we can go with it.
What has often been our weakness has been our attitude and belief. I don't think we have genuinely had that unwavering self-belief that the successful teams have.
I feel that Ange has changed that to a degree and the focus has shifted away from the occasion/moment and more towards our level of performance. Consequently the Spursy moments are few and really its been injury/suspension/international absence that has tripped us up this season from being in an even stronger position.
But what is unknown for me is whether we can sufficiently make ourselves such a force that our general defensive openness becomes very difficult to attack.
Liverpool have always had labelled at them that they attack so much, that the FBs are so far forward, that you just had to knock it into the space behind TAA...but so few were able to successfully do so because their attack was so formidable and their high press so effective that it was easier said than done. Not to mention VVD mopping up in behind.
I see Ange's approach more like Klopp's than any others. Aggressive, whereas Pep and Pep-lite are far more controlled.
Arsenal have a good balance of very solid defence and free flowing attack and I don't think we will ever evolve into something like that under Ange.
On the basis that we continue to improve the squad, we may be able to take Angeball close to the top. Its a Klopp-esque style so to emulate that we also need to emulate the sort of quality they had at their peak - Mane, Salah, VVD, TAA, Robertson, Allison, Firminho., Fabinho
We're making some strides towards that. It will take some doing, but i am totally up for the ride !
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It sounds like you are supportive of the "process" (horrible word!) on the whole.
I actually have no doubts that we will become a formidable force under Ange (if everyone holds their nerve).
I would argue that the potential of Vicario, Porro, Romero, VdV and Udogie gives us great hope to emulate the Liverpool defensive players that you mentioned.
The real key now is to bolster those positions (and this has started with Dragusin) and to look at imrpoving our goal scoring threat.
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Yes, very much supportive of the dreaded "Process".
The defence does look very well set for 5 years or more. The midfield also, for the nest 3 or 4, although the back up needs upgrading (PEH/GLC). Strikers need to be added to/upgraded too in one or 2 positions.
Just plucking names but a Toney and a Neto level signing would truly make us a force.. But i think that's the level we need to go for if we are to make Ange-ball truly successful.
There is no substitute for quality if you want to win top stuff.
posted on 11/3/24
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 5 minutes ago
I think you'll be hard pressed to find anyone who isn't on the Ange train. Yes, there have been times when we've been woefully exposed but its his first season and we can't expect things to be perfect yet, particularly as he's yet to fully construct a side in his image. Many of the squad are those he inherited.
What some fans don't seem to understand is that it's perfectly fine to criticise a manager/players in an isolated game but still have belief that they'll get things right long term. Some, like Luka, just don't get that. He sees things entirely in black and white. If you criticise the manager once, that's it, you don't like him and you want him sacked. It's completely absurd and that's the kind of bullshiiiiiit Sizz gets attacked for. I loved Pochettino but there were certain in-game decisions that had me screaming at the tv. Doesn't mean I didn't believe in him whole-heartedly.
If any Spurs fan is truly 'Ange out' then I don't believe they're actually Spurs fans. They can't be.
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Nah! Sizzle is 75% negative. He's incredulous that we haven't won a trophy this season and considers our cup runs under Ange as shambolic....which is very far from the truth. Any attempt to justify why we are not yet the best team in the world after 6 months of Ange is met with "loser mentality" or "excuses" responses from him.
If anyone sees in B&W then he's your man.
posted on 11/3/24
comment by EDDIEVH (U8193)
posted 13 minutes ago
I think you'd be hard pushed to find a Spurs fan who is not happy with our direction and not "along for the ride".
I see so many positives, though there is no question how open we are could cost us at big moments, we will see.
The question is, is Levy along for the ride or will he lock the cheque book up in Fort Knox the second we start becoming competitive.
That is my biggest worry. The second Poch was competitive, Levy's attitude was "we've got a good team, so no more players for you then Poch". One player signed in 4 transfer windows whilst everyone around us strengthened and strengthened, I hope it doesn't happen again.
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When Poch was competitive we were mid-stadium build. The money needed wasnt really there to kick on.
It may have been a conscious decision not to over stretch ourselves, but it wasn't because we were chasing profit or just unwilling to buy, there was good reason and it was Spursy-like poor timing.
posted on 11/3/24
Sizz and Luka are opposite sides of a ridiculous coin
posted on 11/3/24
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by EDDIEVH (U8193)
posted 1 minute ago
I think you'd be hard pushed to find a Spurs fan who is not happy with our direction and not "along for the ride".
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You'd be surprised!
I not going to mention any names, but Hengy gave a hint of one in his reply.
There are some on here where it's top 4 or nothing.
Well Newcastle and Man U achieved top 4 last season. Look at them now. You've got to build on solid foundations.
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5th place gets top 4 this season though doesn't it?
posted on 11/3/24
KentSpur
posted on 11/3/24
I’m totally behind Ange. He’s a breath of fresh air
I particularly loved what he said the other day about only being focussed on making this club the best and not just top 4. Let’s hope Levy doesn’t let him down on his ambition, because no manager can do that without investing in top quality players, and we are talking 80-100m players. Dont need a full team of them, but one or 2 like Liverpool did.
The days of a Brian Clough turning second division team into European champions are long gone. We are a big club, but for Ange to turn us into the best is gonna take ENIC to invest
posted on 11/3/24
I'm fully behind Ange but in terms of a failure if we don't get top 4, well it would be if we don't get CL. We're certainly good enough to get top 4 from this point and we haven't come close in any domestic trophies. It wouldn't be to say Ange wouldn't have done a decent job, say we finish 5th. I'll have been pleased at us showing signs of progress.
I do also expect a good end to the season though. Players like BJ and Werner looking more up to it, Maddison coming back to the form he showed pre-injury. He even said himself he felt like he was gradually getting back to those levels, which show he wasn't quite at it before and this didn't help with certain games like against Wolves and Everton. Now we have an almost full strength team again I don't think it's unfair to see us unbeaten up to late April and with 3 or 4 wins in the next 5 games.
posted on 11/3/24
How can anyone doubt Ange?
He is like Martin Jol, Redknapp and Crocodile Dundee in one
Serious;y, I said it was a must win game for us because had we lost it we would be like 8 points behind and witha deflated moral. Also, like I sai in my comment, I don't hink Ange ever thinks about settling for a "draw". He is a winner. He is tryingto instill it in us, fans and players alike.
The real question is now that Ange has gone a long way to show us his metal and trade, will Levy back him in the summer transfer window? For a start, we need a genuine out and out striker.
Kane could be the one
posted on 11/3/24
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'm fully behind Ange but in terms of a failure if we don't get top 4, well it would be if we don't get CL. We're certainly good enough to get top 4 from this point and we haven't come close in any domestic trophies. It wouldn't be to say Ange wouldn't have done a decent job, say we finish 5th. I'll have been pleased at us showing signs of progress.
I do also expect a good end to the season though. Players like BJ and Werner looking more up to it, Maddison coming back to the form he showed pre-injury. He even said himself he felt like he was gradually getting back to those levels, which show he wasn't quite at it before and this didn't help with certain games like against Wolves and Everton. Now we have an almost full strength team again I don't think it's unfair to see us unbeaten up to late April and with 3 or 4 wins in the next 5 games.
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But you are judging top 4 based on now.
Was top 4 at the start of the season a realistic target, Was top 6 even.
It wasnt because most can understand the changes that had to happen and the difficulty of doing this. Poch took us to 5th, Klopp took LFC to 8th, as did Arteta, Pep won nothing but took over a team already in 2nd.
From here we can have very strong hopes of top 4, but if we fail it will not be because Ange has failed but because we are still very early in our development and things will be up and down and we are clearly not ready for it yet.
Europa would be acceptable to me and actually in terms of progression it isa great competition to reintegrate us back in to playing twice a week and gives the manager some "easier" games to really explore some of the squad and academy options. The latter stages are pretty good and that's when we go hard at it, IMO.
posted on 11/3/24
Win lose or draw I'll always love Ange because I really like his philosophy and general approach to the game. Obviously we all hope he's the guy to turn the trophy tide around but even if he doesn't, my hope is that he's given the time to build something properly and that the club fully backs it. I think he's starting to and all the noise from inside the club is positive so that's cool.
Ange's comments about getting fourth place sum it up for me. Building that culture and identity is more important than short term success. I want to see a team where any player can come in and perform, because the system works and they know what they're doing. Like Liverpool. Similarly I want the club to be able to hire the next manager without rebuilding the squad, because the system works. Like Brighton but better.
posted on 11/3/24
I’m fully ange in until I’m fully ange out
posted on 11/3/24
Ange in, levy out π
posted on 11/3/24
Ange is good. If he can cut in half the goals you concede then you'll really be in business.
posted on 11/3/24
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 25 minutes ago
Ange in, levy out π
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yes, bottom line
Though Levy has had a semi good summer transfer, aided by FFP
Do another good one Levy, and he will be Levy in too
posted on 11/3/24
I hope he erases the memory of ratboy Poch and leads the club to greatness.
Top manager and just what the club needs.
posted on 11/3/24
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 40 minutes ago
I think you'll be hard pressed to find anyone who isn't on the Ange train. Yes, there have been times when we've been woefully exposed but its his first season and we can't expect things to be perfect yet, particularly as he's yet to fully construct a side in his image. Many of the squad are those he inherited.
What some fans don't seem to understand is that it's perfectly fine to criticise a manager/players in an isolated game but still have belief that they'll get things right long term. Some, like Luka, just don't get that. He sees things entirely in black and white. If you criticise the manager once, that's it, you don't like him and you want him sacked. It's completely absurd and that's the kind of bullshiiiiiit Sizz gets attacked for. I loved Pochettino but there were certain in-game decisions that had me screaming at the tv. Doesn't mean I didn't believe in him whole-heartedly.
If any Spurs fan is truly 'Ange out' then I don't believe they're actually Spurs fans. They can't be.
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You're a mug who changes his mind the way the wind blows. During the Wolves game you were saying something about Ange's 'cocksure attitude' grinding you or something. I see your true colours lad.
Sunday was great though. Defo time to relive it
At HT this is you :
Think Villa are managing the game to reserve energy for the Ajax game midweek. I expect a more fiery side in the second half. I think they’re gonna go for it. Our chance to grab the points was in that first half I think. So many opportunities to exploit their high line and no one is spotting the runs of both son and Maddison.
πππ
Then when you were negative about Son, he went and scored πππ.
You're defo one of the biggest clowns on our board. Right up there with you pal Sizzflake.
posted on 11/3/24
Sizzflake
posted on 11/3/24
comment by Luka Brasi π« (U22178)
posted 46 seconds ago
I hope he erases the memory of ratboy Poch and leads the club to greatness.
Top manager and just what the club needs.
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A slight improvement on King Jose & Antonio Luka
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