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comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 55 seconds ago
Fred even at his worst wasn’t as bad as Casemiro has been this season.
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Maybe RR is right!
Casemiro's body HAS degenerated pernamently so he can't run anymore.
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That’s not what RR is saying…
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comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 55 seconds ago
Fred even at his worst wasn’t as bad as Casemiro has been this season.
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Maybe RR is right!
Casemiro's body HAS degenerated pernamently so he can't run anymore.
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That’s not what RR is saying…
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Neither am I. Nor am I saying he is therefore carrying a secret injury in collusion with the manager. How the fack would I know that information?
Im saying that yesterday in a Liverpool vs United match he was selected to play and was a lazy tw@t who was just going through the motions badly. And I watched him close up in real time and when he didnt have the ball.
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You're making out that playing through a bit of an injury would be some kind of cloak and dagger conspiracy. It's been discussed on this forum and widely in the sports media that it's a very widespread phenomenon. Some even go as far as to say that most players have some niggling issue most of the time. We're also in a situation where huge swathes of our squad have been out injured for extended periods - it's reasonable to conclude that lots of those players have been playing while managing injuries, rather than them always being either 100% fit or totally unable to play.
Of course all of this speculation, and I've never claimed otherwise. It's obvious that Casemiro isn't in his physical prime. But we've also seen him move in the last couple of matches significantly worse than his general, concerning level over this season as a whole. That leads me to suspect he is playing within himself a bit to avoid aggravating an injury. It's just a hypothesis.
Of course, I don't have the privileged view of a season-ticket holder, which would enable me to look inside the soul of a player and understand that the multiple-CL winner and the player who helped drive our improved mental strength last season is in fact a 'lazy twаt'.
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RR I accept that your own hypothesis that you think he’s playing injured.
I know all about players playing with injuries (I have been quite involved in football over the years myself as a player (paid to play and played with injuries myself) a manager (played players with knocks) and owner/chairman of a club (sacked and appointed managers and paid and sold players)… at semi-pro level).
But I don’t agree that in this case there is a underlining injury to the extent that he could barely move yesterday (which he didn’t at times I can assure you) or that he couldn’t complete very simple passes. Far too much at stake for United and Ten Hag to gamble on him if United had lost the game (it would have been bedlam in the media today if United lost yesterday… mainly aimed at the manager) … plus the chances of aggravating any injury with consequences, considering what is ahead of United in the fixture lists coming up in the next month or so. Also, because Casemiro costs United £350K a week. Clearly Amrabat should have started over Casemiro yesterday if he was injured that much.
I know I describe things differently than you do RR, but he has been a 'lazy tw@t' most of this season when he's played. Funnily enough I spend a lot of my time on here championing Rashford when everybody else calls him out as a lazy tw@t pretty much constantly. That’s because I feel he is still one of United’s more dynamic forwards and main goal scorers and maybe because I feel he WAS the player who carried United after the WC to what United achieved last season. A lot more than Casemiro did IMO.
And please stop being so sarcy to me when it comes to match going fans. Of course, you get a better perspective of the game watching it live on the big pitch looking down on it as a whole, than you do on the telly, which just follows the ball, or even by just digesting match stats, although stats do help to paint a picture of a football match. That's why people in the game attend matches in person to check on form. I don’t feel privileged or superior to anybody who doesn’t or can’t attend games. It’s my personal choice that I go (and pay) to watch United.
I don’t think Amrabat is good enough but surely he’s a better option than Casemiro at this point who is now literally one of the worst starting CM’s in the PL
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 4 minutes ago
I don’t think Amrabat is good enough but surely he’s a better option than Casemiro at this point who is now literally one of the worst starting CM’s in the PL
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hes the best we had available yesterday
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 4 minutes ago
I don’t think Amrabat is good enough but surely he’s a better option than Casemiro at this point who is now literally one of the worst starting CM’s in the PL
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hes the best we had available yesterday
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Is he though? At least Amrabat would cover the ground and retain the ball better. Casemiro’s only redeeming quality these days is his aerial ability.
Of course, I don't have the privileged view of a season-ticket holder, which would enable me to look inside the soul of a player and understand that the multiple-CL winner and the player who helped drive our improved mental strength last season is in fact a 'lazy twаt'.
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That cuts deep!
Sorry Process,
I meant that Amrabat was the best we had available yesterday.
comment by The Process
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 4 minutes ago
I don’t think Amrabat is good enough but surely he’s a better option than Casemiro at this point who is now literally one of the worst starting CM’s in the PL
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hes the best we had available yesterday
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Is he though? At least Amrabat would cover the ground and retain the ball better. Casemiro’s only redeeming quality these days is his aerial ability.
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He's a threat in the box as is McT. All our players want to play CF!
It's puzzling as to why Amrabat has found the English game so difficult to adapt to. Exceptional in one or two games, forgettable every other time I've seen him. His attributes are exactly what our midfield is lacking. In reality every time he plays he's either too slow or ready to err at any given moment!
comment by Vengeance of Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 8 minutes ago
Of course, I don't have the privileged view of a season-ticket holder, which would enable me to look inside the soul of a player and understand that the multiple-CL winner and the player who helped drive our improved mental strength last season is in fact a 'lazy twаt'.
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That cuts deep!
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I think it was meant to!
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posted 4 minutes ago
comment by The Process
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 4 minutes ago
I don’t think Amrabat is good enough but surely he’s a better option than Casemiro at this point who is now literally one of the worst starting CM’s in the PL
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hes the best we had available yesterday
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Is he though? At least Amrabat would cover the ground and retain the ball better. Casemiro’s only redeeming quality these days is his aerial ability.
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He's a threat in the box as is McT. All our players want to play CF!
It's puzzling as to why Amrabat has found the English game so difficult to adapt to. Exceptional in one or two games, forgettable every other time I've seen him. His attributes are exactly what our midfield is lacking. In reality every time he plays he's either too slow or ready to err at any given moment!
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I don't know if it's a lack of ability, confidence or both. When I have seen him play, he looks timid and not quite on the pace. However, if he was of the quality required, I am sure we would have seen it by now
Casemiro's post match interview with ESPN Brazil makes interesting reading. He makes no reference to his own abysmal form, maybe if he did it would highlight the very point everyone is making, he is big part of the issue. Maybe not fighting for honours means his heart is simply not in it, it shows! .
"It's difficult. This is the point that bothers me most about not fighting for titles," Casemiro told ESPN Brazil after Sunday's clash with Liverpool.
"Being 20 points behind first place. Sometimes, I can't even sleep to try to think about doing something different. It's reality. There's no point in thinking about title or Champions League places, we need to think about today's games."
"We need to think about the day to day, we had the opportunity to score nine points in the last few games and we scored two. We were upset. We have to think game by game and focus on the next match, against Bournemouth."
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posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance of Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by The Process
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 4 minutes ago
I don’t think Amrabat is good enough but surely he’s a better option than Casemiro at this point who is now literally one of the worst starting CM’s in the PL
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hes the best we had available yesterday
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Is he though? At least Amrabat would cover the ground and retain the ball better. Casemiro’s only redeeming quality these days is his aerial ability.
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He's a threat in the box as is McT. All our players want to play CF!
It's puzzling as to why Amrabat has found the English game so difficult to adapt to. Exceptional in one or two games, forgettable every other time I've seen him. His attributes are exactly what our midfield is lacking. In reality every time he plays he's either too slow or ready to err at any given moment!
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I don't know if it's a lack of ability, confidence or both. When I have seen him play, he looks timid and not quite on the pace. However, if he was of the quality required, I am sure we would have seen it by now
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Looks completely out of comfort zone. Ability is there, lacks the confidence, bodes badly if he's here to impress and to make his loan a permanent one. Just pleased we didn't buy him outright, a bullet dodged.
RBW, I go back to my initial point: you are basically arguing that Casemiro's performance level is so bad that there's no justification for him being on the pitch and therefore it can't be down to injury. I'm saying if his performances don't justify being selected, it doesn't matter whether it's because he is being hampered by injury or it's laziness or that's the extent to which he can run these days.
As for the sarcastic comment about your match-going fan status, it wasn't a gratuitous barb. You made the point that you see more of the game than us because you're at the stadium, and that justified your diagnosis of Casemiro being lazy. Now, I know myself the difference in how much of the total picture we see when we're in the stands compared to watching on TV, as (believe it or not) I've attended many live matches over the years. So I can appreciate that you'll see more of Casemiro's off the ball work than I saw on Sky. What I dispute is that seeing him in the ground as opposed to on telly puts you in a superior position to judge why his movement is sluggish and his passing sloppy. So the opinion you hold that's based on observation live at the match seems to be the consensus view, while your assertion that it's a question of motivation, not physical issues, doesn't seem to be something that anyone could discern, either relying on the wide view or the close up.
but I don't rememeber us getting overrun in midfield very often when he played.
Remember better mate.
"This doesnt also answer why he also seems to struggle to make basic forward pass completions in central areas around the edge of the box as we saw many times yesterday."
He was pretty composed at times in the first half. He did hit a few passes astray, but also, how often did he (and everybody else) have no options when they look up?
" At least Amrabat would cover the ground and retain the ball better"
Sorry but Amrabat came on and looked totally lost, chasing shadows and always out of positions.....in 5 minutes of play.
The guy is useless.
I think there has to be a reason why Amrabat was an option that was available to us at the end of the summer, when our resources were so stretched. If a deep analysis of his attributes suggested he could transfer his Serie A / Conference League form to the PL, he would have been hugely sought-after. We've seen the fees that players who possess both the technicality AND athletic attributes to thrive as a DM in the PL command, like Caicedo, Rice. We couldn't afford them, and there were no serious contenders for Amrabat's signature. That's context for the relatively cheap loan fee and modest figure set to convert to a purchase this summer. I don't think Amrabat is useless, but by this point we shouldn't be confusing him for the player we probably naively hoped he was going to be.
At least Amrabat would cover the ground and retain the ball better.
Amrabat is slower than Casemiro.
There in lies the problem. All of our midfield players are slow. Shocking recruiting really.
We miss him a bit yeah, especially against City where he more often than not had his best games but it's more so another damning indictment of our recruitment since he left and the fact that out of possession this team is being set up to fail.
Just seen this on Twitter, not fact checking it as I cba. But fck it.
Man Utd have started 31 different back lines in 43 matches this season:
1.AWB, Varane, Martinez, Shaw
2.AWB, Varane, Martinez, Dalot
3.AWB, Lindelof, Martinez, Dalot
4.Dalot, Lindelof, Martinez, Reguilon
5.AWB, Lindelof, Martinez, Reguilon
6.Dalot, Lindelof, Evans, Reguilon
7.AWB, Lindelof, Evans, Reguilon
8.Dalot, Varane, Maguire, Amrabat
9.Dalot, Varane, Lindelof, Amrabat
10.Dalot, Maguire, Evans, Lindelof
11.Dalot, Varane, Evans, Lindelof
12.Dalot, Varane, Maguire, Reguilon
13.Dalot, Maguire, Lindelof, Reguilon
14.Dalot, Maguire, Lindelof, Shaw
15.AWB, Maguire, Lindelof, Shaw
16.AWB, Maguire, Shaw, Dalot
17.Dalot Maguire, Shaw, Reguilon
18.Dalot, Maguire, Varane, Shaw
19.Dalot, Evans, Varane, Shaw
20.AWB, Maguire, Evans, Dalot
21.AWB, Kambwala, Evans, Shaw
22.AWB, Varane, Evans, Dalot
23.Dalot, Varane, Martinez, Shaw
24.Dalot, Maguire, Martinez, Shaw
25.Dalot, Varane, Maguire, Shaw
26.Dalot, Varane, Maguire, Lindelof
27.Dalot, Lindelof, Varane, Amrabat
28.Dalot, Varane, Evans, Lindelof
29.Dalot, Lindelof, Varane, AWB
30.AWB, Maguire, Varane, Dalot
31.Dalot, Kambwala, Maguire, AWB
From RB, RCB, LCB, LB
This Doesn’t include times where injuries have caused backline to change in game. E.g Kambwala coming on at RB, or Bruno playing CB in FA cup vs Pool.
comment by Vengeance of Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 4 hours, 12 minutes ago
Casemiro's post match interview with ESPN Brazil makes interesting reading. He makes no reference to his own abysmal form, maybe if he did it would highlight the very point everyone is making, he is big part of the issue. Maybe not fighting for honours means his heart is simply not in it, it shows! .
"It's difficult. This is the point that bothers me most about not fighting for titles," Casemiro told ESPN Brazil after Sunday's clash with Liverpool.
"Being 20 points behind first place. Sometimes, I can't even sleep to try to think about doing something different. It's reality. There's no point in thinking about title or Champions League places, we need to think about today's games."
"We need to think about the day to day, we had the opportunity to score nine points in the last few games and we scored two. We were upset. We have to think game by game and focus on the next match, against Bournemouth."
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Rubbish. The signs were there that he was in massive decline as soon as he put on a United shirt.
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 4 minutes ago
Just seen this on Twitter, not fact checking it as I cba. But fck it.
Man Utd have started 31 different back lines in 43 matches this season:
1.AWB, Varane, Martinez, Shaw
2.AWB, Varane, Martinez, Dalot
3.AWB, Lindelof, Martinez, Dalot
4.Dalot, Lindelof, Martinez, Reguilon
5.AWB, Lindelof, Martinez, Reguilon
6.Dalot, Lindelof, Evans, Reguilon
7.AWB, Lindelof, Evans, Reguilon
8.Dalot, Varane, Maguire, Amrabat
9.Dalot, Varane, Lindelof, Amrabat
10.Dalot, Maguire, Evans, Lindelof
11.Dalot, Varane, Evans, Lindelof
12.Dalot, Varane, Maguire, Reguilon
13.Dalot, Maguire, Lindelof, Reguilon
14.Dalot, Maguire, Lindelof, Shaw
15.AWB, Maguire, Lindelof, Shaw
16.AWB, Maguire, Shaw, Dalot
17.Dalot Maguire, Shaw, Reguilon
18.Dalot, Maguire, Varane, Shaw
19.Dalot, Evans, Varane, Shaw
20.AWB, Maguire, Evans, Dalot
21.AWB, Kambwala, Evans, Shaw
22.AWB, Varane, Evans, Dalot
23.Dalot, Varane, Martinez, Shaw
24.Dalot, Maguire, Martinez, Shaw
25.Dalot, Varane, Maguire, Shaw
26.Dalot, Varane, Maguire, Lindelof
27.Dalot, Lindelof, Varane, Amrabat
28.Dalot, Varane, Evans, Lindelof
29.Dalot, Lindelof, Varane, AWB
30.AWB, Maguire, Varane, Dalot
31.Dalot, Kambwala, Maguire, AWB
From RB, RCB, LCB, LB
This Doesn’t include times where injuries have caused backline to change in game. E.g Kambwala coming on at RB, or Bruno playing CB in FA cup vs Pool.
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Oh I bet that’s accurate. It’s been a joke this season.
A combination of pretty much everything, everything that could have gone wrong has gone wrong. New signings not performing, manager failing to plug our obvious holes to make us at least difficult to play against, current players not performing, lots of injuries, ridiculous defensive injuries - all with a potential sale of the club / sale of shares to INEOS in the background.
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 7 minutes ago
Just seen this on Twitter, not fact checking it as I cba. But fck it.
Man Utd have started 31 different back lines in 43 matches this season:
1.AWB, Varane, Martinez, Shaw
2.AWB, Varane, Martinez, Dalot
3.AWB, Lindelof, Martinez, Dalot
4.Dalot, Lindelof, Martinez, Reguilon
5.AWB, Lindelof, Martinez, Reguilon
6.Dalot, Lindelof, Evans, Reguilon
7.AWB, Lindelof, Evans, Reguilon
8.Dalot, Varane, Maguire, Amrabat
9.Dalot, Varane, Lindelof, Amrabat
10.Dalot, Maguire, Evans, Lindelof
11.Dalot, Varane, Evans, Lindelof
12.Dalot, Varane, Maguire, Reguilon
13.Dalot, Maguire, Lindelof, Reguilon
14.Dalot, Maguire, Lindelof, Shaw
15.AWB, Maguire, Lindelof, Shaw
16.AWB, Maguire, Shaw, Dalot
17.Dalot Maguire, Shaw, Reguilon
18.Dalot, Maguire, Varane, Shaw
19.Dalot, Evans, Varane, Shaw
20.AWB, Maguire, Evans, Dalot
21.AWB, Kambwala, Evans, Shaw
22.AWB, Varane, Evans, Dalot
23.Dalot, Varane, Martinez, Shaw
24.Dalot, Maguire, Martinez, Shaw
25.Dalot, Varane, Maguire, Shaw
26.Dalot, Varane, Maguire, Lindelof
27.Dalot, Lindelof, Varane, Amrabat
28.Dalot, Varane, Evans, Lindelof
29.Dalot, Lindelof, Varane, AWB
30.AWB, Maguire, Varane, Dalot
31.Dalot, Kambwala, Maguire, AWB
From RB, RCB, LCB, LB
This Doesn’t include times where injuries have caused backline to change in game. E.g Kambwala coming on at RB, or Bruno playing CB in FA cup vs Pool.
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That’s amazing.
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 24 minutes ago
Just seen this on Twitter, not fact checking it as I cba. But fck it.
Man Utd have started 31 different back lines in 43 matches this season:
1.AWB, Varane, Martinez, Shaw
2.AWB, Varane, Martinez, Dalot
3.AWB, Lindelof, Martinez, Dalot
4.Dalot, Lindelof, Martinez, Reguilon
5.AWB, Lindelof, Martinez, Reguilon
6.Dalot, Lindelof, Evans, Reguilon
7.AWB, Lindelof, Evans, Reguilon
8.Dalot, Varane, Maguire, Amrabat
9.Dalot, Varane, Lindelof, Amrabat
10.Dalot, Maguire, Evans, Lindelof
11.Dalot, Varane, Evans, Lindelof
12.Dalot, Varane, Maguire, Reguilon
13.Dalot, Maguire, Lindelof, Reguilon
14.Dalot, Maguire, Lindelof, Shaw
15.AWB, Maguire, Lindelof, Shaw
16.AWB, Maguire, Shaw, Dalot
17.Dalot Maguire, Shaw, Reguilon
18.Dalot, Maguire, Varane, Shaw
19.Dalot, Evans, Varane, Shaw
20.AWB, Maguire, Evans, Dalot
21.AWB, Kambwala, Evans, Shaw
22.AWB, Varane, Evans, Dalot
23.Dalot, Varane, Martinez, Shaw
24.Dalot, Maguire, Martinez, Shaw
25.Dalot, Varane, Maguire, Shaw
26.Dalot, Varane, Maguire, Lindelof
27.Dalot, Lindelof, Varane, Amrabat
28.Dalot, Varane, Evans, Lindelof
29.Dalot, Lindelof, Varane, AWB
30.AWB, Maguire, Varane, Dalot
31.Dalot, Kambwala, Maguire, AWB
From RB, RCB, LCB, LB
This Doesn’t include times where injuries have caused backline to change in game. E.g Kambwala coming on at RB, or Bruno playing CB in FA cup vs Pool.
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Mind boggling stuff!
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance of Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 4 hours, 12 minutes ago
Casemiro's post match interview with ESPN Brazil makes interesting reading. He makes no reference to his own abysmal form, maybe if he did it would highlight the very point everyone is making, he is big part of the issue. Maybe not fighting for honours means his heart is simply not in it, it shows! .
"It's difficult. This is the point that bothers me most about not fighting for titles," Casemiro told ESPN Brazil after Sunday's clash with Liverpool.
"Being 20 points behind first place. Sometimes, I can't even sleep to try to think about doing something different. It's reality. There's no point in thinking about title or Champions League places, we need to think about today's games."
"We need to think about the day to day, we had the opportunity to score nine points in the last few games and we scored two. We were upset. We have to think game by game and focus on the next match, against Bournemouth."
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Rubbish. The signs were there that he was in massive decline as soon as he put on a United shirt.
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That's why most REAL fans weren't too distraught to see him go. Real laughed all the way to the bank in fact!
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 hours, 41 minutes ago
RBW, I go back to my initial point: you are basically arguing that Casemiro's performance level is so bad that there's no justification for him being on the pitch and therefore it can't be down to injury. I'm saying if his performances don't justify being selected, it doesn't matter whether it's because he is being hampered by injury or it's laziness or that's the extent to which he can run these days.
As for the sarcastic comment about your match-going fan status, it wasn't a gratuitous barb. You made the point that you see more of the game than us because you're at the stadium, and that justified your diagnosis of Casemiro being lazy. Now, I know myself the difference in how much of the total picture we see when we're in the stands compared to watching on TV, as (believe it or not) I've attended many live matches over the years. So I can appreciate that you'll see more of Casemiro's off the ball work than I saw on Sky. What I dispute is that seeing him in the ground as opposed to on telly puts you in a superior position to judge why his movement is sluggish and his passing sloppy. So the opinion you hold that's based on observation live at the match seems to be the consensus view, while your assertion that it's a question of motivation, not physical issues, doesn't seem to be something that anyone could discern, either relying on the wide view or the close up.
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do you ever stop and read back the drivel that you compose sometimes?
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comment by Red Russian (U4715)
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comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
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comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 55 seconds ago
Fred even at his worst wasn’t as bad as Casemiro has been this season.
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Maybe RR is right!
Casemiro's body HAS degenerated pernamently so he can't run anymore.
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That’s not what RR is saying…
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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 55 seconds ago
Fred even at his worst wasn’t as bad as Casemiro has been this season.
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Maybe RR is right!
Casemiro's body HAS degenerated pernamently so he can't run anymore.
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That’s not what RR is saying…
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Neither am I. Nor am I saying he is therefore carrying a secret injury in collusion with the manager. How the fack would I know that information?
Im saying that yesterday in a Liverpool vs United match he was selected to play and was a lazy tw@t who was just going through the motions badly. And I watched him close up in real time and when he didnt have the ball.
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You're making out that playing through a bit of an injury would be some kind of cloak and dagger conspiracy. It's been discussed on this forum and widely in the sports media that it's a very widespread phenomenon. Some even go as far as to say that most players have some niggling issue most of the time. We're also in a situation where huge swathes of our squad have been out injured for extended periods - it's reasonable to conclude that lots of those players have been playing while managing injuries, rather than them always being either 100% fit or totally unable to play.
Of course all of this speculation, and I've never claimed otherwise. It's obvious that Casemiro isn't in his physical prime. But we've also seen him move in the last couple of matches significantly worse than his general, concerning level over this season as a whole. That leads me to suspect he is playing within himself a bit to avoid aggravating an injury. It's just a hypothesis.
Of course, I don't have the privileged view of a season-ticket holder, which would enable me to look inside the soul of a player and understand that the multiple-CL winner and the player who helped drive our improved mental strength last season is in fact a 'lazy twаt'.
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RR I accept that your own hypothesis that you think he’s playing injured.
I know all about players playing with injuries (I have been quite involved in football over the years myself as a player (paid to play and played with injuries myself) a manager (played players with knocks) and owner/chairman of a club (sacked and appointed managers and paid and sold players)… at semi-pro level).
But I don’t agree that in this case there is a underlining injury to the extent that he could barely move yesterday (which he didn’t at times I can assure you) or that he couldn’t complete very simple passes. Far too much at stake for United and Ten Hag to gamble on him if United had lost the game (it would have been bedlam in the media today if United lost yesterday… mainly aimed at the manager) … plus the chances of aggravating any injury with consequences, considering what is ahead of United in the fixture lists coming up in the next month or so. Also, because Casemiro costs United £350K a week. Clearly Amrabat should have started over Casemiro yesterday if he was injured that much.
I know I describe things differently than you do RR, but he has been a 'lazy tw@t' most of this season when he's played. Funnily enough I spend a lot of my time on here championing Rashford when everybody else calls him out as a lazy tw@t pretty much constantly. That’s because I feel he is still one of United’s more dynamic forwards and main goal scorers and maybe because I feel he WAS the player who carried United after the WC to what United achieved last season. A lot more than Casemiro did IMO.
And please stop being so sarcy to me when it comes to match going fans. Of course, you get a better perspective of the game watching it live on the big pitch looking down on it as a whole, than you do on the telly, which just follows the ball, or even by just digesting match stats, although stats do help to paint a picture of a football match. That's why people in the game attend matches in person to check on form. I don’t feel privileged or superior to anybody who doesn’t or can’t attend games. It’s my personal choice that I go (and pay) to watch United.
posted on 8/4/24
I don’t think Amrabat is good enough but surely he’s a better option than Casemiro at this point who is now literally one of the worst starting CM’s in the PL
posted on 8/4/24
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 4 minutes ago
I don’t think Amrabat is good enough but surely he’s a better option than Casemiro at this point who is now literally one of the worst starting CM’s in the PL
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hes the best we had available yesterday
posted on 8/4/24
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 4 minutes ago
I don’t think Amrabat is good enough but surely he’s a better option than Casemiro at this point who is now literally one of the worst starting CM’s in the PL
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hes the best we had available yesterday
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Is he though? At least Amrabat would cover the ground and retain the ball better. Casemiro’s only redeeming quality these days is his aerial ability.
posted on 8/4/24
Of course, I don't have the privileged view of a season-ticket holder, which would enable me to look inside the soul of a player and understand that the multiple-CL winner and the player who helped drive our improved mental strength last season is in fact a 'lazy twаt'.
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🤣 🗡️
That cuts deep!
posted on 8/4/24
Sorry Process,
I meant that Amrabat was the best we had available yesterday.
posted on 8/4/24
comment by The Process
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 4 minutes ago
I don’t think Amrabat is good enough but surely he’s a better option than Casemiro at this point who is now literally one of the worst starting CM’s in the PL
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hes the best we had available yesterday
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Is he though? At least Amrabat would cover the ground and retain the ball better. Casemiro’s only redeeming quality these days is his aerial ability.
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He's a threat in the box as is McT. All our players want to play CF!
It's puzzling as to why Amrabat has found the English game so difficult to adapt to. Exceptional in one or two games, forgettable every other time I've seen him. His attributes are exactly what our midfield is lacking. In reality every time he plays he's either too slow or ready to err at any given moment!
posted on 8/4/24
comment by Vengeance of Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 8 minutes ago
Of course, I don't have the privileged view of a season-ticket holder, which would enable me to look inside the soul of a player and understand that the multiple-CL winner and the player who helped drive our improved mental strength last season is in fact a 'lazy twаt'.
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🤣 🗡️
That cuts deep!
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I think it was meant to!
posted on 8/4/24
comment by Vengeance of Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by The Process
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 4 minutes ago
I don’t think Amrabat is good enough but surely he’s a better option than Casemiro at this point who is now literally one of the worst starting CM’s in the PL
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hes the best we had available yesterday
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Is he though? At least Amrabat would cover the ground and retain the ball better. Casemiro’s only redeeming quality these days is his aerial ability.
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He's a threat in the box as is McT. All our players want to play CF!
It's puzzling as to why Amrabat has found the English game so difficult to adapt to. Exceptional in one or two games, forgettable every other time I've seen him. His attributes are exactly what our midfield is lacking. In reality every time he plays he's either too slow or ready to err at any given moment!
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I don't know if it's a lack of ability, confidence or both. When I have seen him play, he looks timid and not quite on the pace. However, if he was of the quality required, I am sure we would have seen it by now
posted on 8/4/24
Casemiro's post match interview with ESPN Brazil makes interesting reading. He makes no reference to his own abysmal form, maybe if he did it would highlight the very point everyone is making, he is big part of the issue. Maybe not fighting for honours means his heart is simply not in it, it shows! .
"It's difficult. This is the point that bothers me most about not fighting for titles," Casemiro told ESPN Brazil after Sunday's clash with Liverpool.
"Being 20 points behind first place. Sometimes, I can't even sleep to try to think about doing something different. It's reality. There's no point in thinking about title or Champions League places, we need to think about today's games."
"We need to think about the day to day, we had the opportunity to score nine points in the last few games and we scored two. We were upset. We have to think game by game and focus on the next match, against Bournemouth."
posted on 8/4/24
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance of Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by The Process
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 4 minutes ago
I don’t think Amrabat is good enough but surely he’s a better option than Casemiro at this point who is now literally one of the worst starting CM’s in the PL
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hes the best we had available yesterday
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Is he though? At least Amrabat would cover the ground and retain the ball better. Casemiro’s only redeeming quality these days is his aerial ability.
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He's a threat in the box as is McT. All our players want to play CF!
It's puzzling as to why Amrabat has found the English game so difficult to adapt to. Exceptional in one or two games, forgettable every other time I've seen him. His attributes are exactly what our midfield is lacking. In reality every time he plays he's either too slow or ready to err at any given moment!
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I don't know if it's a lack of ability, confidence or both. When I have seen him play, he looks timid and not quite on the pace. However, if he was of the quality required, I am sure we would have seen it by now
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Looks completely out of comfort zone. Ability is there, lacks the confidence, bodes badly if he's here to impress and to make his loan a permanent one. Just pleased we didn't buy him outright, a bullet dodged.
posted on 8/4/24
RBW, I go back to my initial point: you are basically arguing that Casemiro's performance level is so bad that there's no justification for him being on the pitch and therefore it can't be down to injury. I'm saying if his performances don't justify being selected, it doesn't matter whether it's because he is being hampered by injury or it's laziness or that's the extent to which he can run these days.
As for the sarcastic comment about your match-going fan status, it wasn't a gratuitous barb. You made the point that you see more of the game than us because you're at the stadium, and that justified your diagnosis of Casemiro being lazy. Now, I know myself the difference in how much of the total picture we see when we're in the stands compared to watching on TV, as (believe it or not) I've attended many live matches over the years. So I can appreciate that you'll see more of Casemiro's off the ball work than I saw on Sky. What I dispute is that seeing him in the ground as opposed to on telly puts you in a superior position to judge why his movement is sluggish and his passing sloppy. So the opinion you hold that's based on observation live at the match seems to be the consensus view, while your assertion that it's a question of motivation, not physical issues, doesn't seem to be something that anyone could discern, either relying on the wide view or the close up.
posted on 8/4/24
but I don't rememeber us getting overrun in midfield very often when he played.
Remember better mate.
posted on 8/4/24
"This doesnt also answer why he also seems to struggle to make basic forward pass completions in central areas around the edge of the box as we saw many times yesterday."
He was pretty composed at times in the first half. He did hit a few passes astray, but also, how often did he (and everybody else) have no options when they look up?
posted on 8/4/24
" At least Amrabat would cover the ground and retain the ball better"
Sorry but Amrabat came on and looked totally lost, chasing shadows and always out of positions.....in 5 minutes of play.
The guy is useless.
posted on 8/4/24
I think there has to be a reason why Amrabat was an option that was available to us at the end of the summer, when our resources were so stretched. If a deep analysis of his attributes suggested he could transfer his Serie A / Conference League form to the PL, he would have been hugely sought-after. We've seen the fees that players who possess both the technicality AND athletic attributes to thrive as a DM in the PL command, like Caicedo, Rice. We couldn't afford them, and there were no serious contenders for Amrabat's signature. That's context for the relatively cheap loan fee and modest figure set to convert to a purchase this summer. I don't think Amrabat is useless, but by this point we shouldn't be confusing him for the player we probably naively hoped he was going to be.
posted on 8/4/24
At least Amrabat would cover the ground and retain the ball better.
Amrabat is slower than Casemiro.
There in lies the problem. All of our midfield players are slow. Shocking recruiting really.
posted on 8/4/24
We miss him a bit yeah, especially against City where he more often than not had his best games but it's more so another damning indictment of our recruitment since he left and the fact that out of possession this team is being set up to fail.
posted on 8/4/24
Just seen this on Twitter, not fact checking it as I cba. But fck it.
Man Utd have started 31 different back lines in 43 matches this season:
1.AWB, Varane, Martinez, Shaw
2.AWB, Varane, Martinez, Dalot
3.AWB, Lindelof, Martinez, Dalot
4.Dalot, Lindelof, Martinez, Reguilon
5.AWB, Lindelof, Martinez, Reguilon
6.Dalot, Lindelof, Evans, Reguilon
7.AWB, Lindelof, Evans, Reguilon
8.Dalot, Varane, Maguire, Amrabat
9.Dalot, Varane, Lindelof, Amrabat
10.Dalot, Maguire, Evans, Lindelof
11.Dalot, Varane, Evans, Lindelof
12.Dalot, Varane, Maguire, Reguilon
13.Dalot, Maguire, Lindelof, Reguilon
14.Dalot, Maguire, Lindelof, Shaw
15.AWB, Maguire, Lindelof, Shaw
16.AWB, Maguire, Shaw, Dalot
17.Dalot Maguire, Shaw, Reguilon
18.Dalot, Maguire, Varane, Shaw
19.Dalot, Evans, Varane, Shaw
20.AWB, Maguire, Evans, Dalot
21.AWB, Kambwala, Evans, Shaw
22.AWB, Varane, Evans, Dalot
23.Dalot, Varane, Martinez, Shaw
24.Dalot, Maguire, Martinez, Shaw
25.Dalot, Varane, Maguire, Shaw
26.Dalot, Varane, Maguire, Lindelof
27.Dalot, Lindelof, Varane, Amrabat
28.Dalot, Varane, Evans, Lindelof
29.Dalot, Lindelof, Varane, AWB
30.AWB, Maguire, Varane, Dalot
31.Dalot, Kambwala, Maguire, AWB
From RB, RCB, LCB, LB
This Doesn’t include times where injuries have caused backline to change in game. E.g Kambwala coming on at RB, or Bruno playing CB in FA cup vs Pool.
posted on 8/4/24
comment by Vengeance of Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 4 hours, 12 minutes ago
Casemiro's post match interview with ESPN Brazil makes interesting reading. He makes no reference to his own abysmal form, maybe if he did it would highlight the very point everyone is making, he is big part of the issue. Maybe not fighting for honours means his heart is simply not in it, it shows! .
"It's difficult. This is the point that bothers me most about not fighting for titles," Casemiro told ESPN Brazil after Sunday's clash with Liverpool.
"Being 20 points behind first place. Sometimes, I can't even sleep to try to think about doing something different. It's reality. There's no point in thinking about title or Champions League places, we need to think about today's games."
"We need to think about the day to day, we had the opportunity to score nine points in the last few games and we scored two. We were upset. We have to think game by game and focus on the next match, against Bournemouth."
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Rubbish. The signs were there that he was in massive decline as soon as he put on a United shirt.
posted on 8/4/24
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 4 minutes ago
Just seen this on Twitter, not fact checking it as I cba. But fck it.
Man Utd have started 31 different back lines in 43 matches this season:
1.AWB, Varane, Martinez, Shaw
2.AWB, Varane, Martinez, Dalot
3.AWB, Lindelof, Martinez, Dalot
4.Dalot, Lindelof, Martinez, Reguilon
5.AWB, Lindelof, Martinez, Reguilon
6.Dalot, Lindelof, Evans, Reguilon
7.AWB, Lindelof, Evans, Reguilon
8.Dalot, Varane, Maguire, Amrabat
9.Dalot, Varane, Lindelof, Amrabat
10.Dalot, Maguire, Evans, Lindelof
11.Dalot, Varane, Evans, Lindelof
12.Dalot, Varane, Maguire, Reguilon
13.Dalot, Maguire, Lindelof, Reguilon
14.Dalot, Maguire, Lindelof, Shaw
15.AWB, Maguire, Lindelof, Shaw
16.AWB, Maguire, Shaw, Dalot
17.Dalot Maguire, Shaw, Reguilon
18.Dalot, Maguire, Varane, Shaw
19.Dalot, Evans, Varane, Shaw
20.AWB, Maguire, Evans, Dalot
21.AWB, Kambwala, Evans, Shaw
22.AWB, Varane, Evans, Dalot
23.Dalot, Varane, Martinez, Shaw
24.Dalot, Maguire, Martinez, Shaw
25.Dalot, Varane, Maguire, Shaw
26.Dalot, Varane, Maguire, Lindelof
27.Dalot, Lindelof, Varane, Amrabat
28.Dalot, Varane, Evans, Lindelof
29.Dalot, Lindelof, Varane, AWB
30.AWB, Maguire, Varane, Dalot
31.Dalot, Kambwala, Maguire, AWB
From RB, RCB, LCB, LB
This Doesn’t include times where injuries have caused backline to change in game. E.g Kambwala coming on at RB, or Bruno playing CB in FA cup vs Pool.
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Oh I bet that’s accurate. It’s been a joke this season.
A combination of pretty much everything, everything that could have gone wrong has gone wrong. New signings not performing, manager failing to plug our obvious holes to make us at least difficult to play against, current players not performing, lots of injuries, ridiculous defensive injuries - all with a potential sale of the club / sale of shares to INEOS in the background.
posted on 8/4/24
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 7 minutes ago
Just seen this on Twitter, not fact checking it as I cba. But fck it.
Man Utd have started 31 different back lines in 43 matches this season:
1.AWB, Varane, Martinez, Shaw
2.AWB, Varane, Martinez, Dalot
3.AWB, Lindelof, Martinez, Dalot
4.Dalot, Lindelof, Martinez, Reguilon
5.AWB, Lindelof, Martinez, Reguilon
6.Dalot, Lindelof, Evans, Reguilon
7.AWB, Lindelof, Evans, Reguilon
8.Dalot, Varane, Maguire, Amrabat
9.Dalot, Varane, Lindelof, Amrabat
10.Dalot, Maguire, Evans, Lindelof
11.Dalot, Varane, Evans, Lindelof
12.Dalot, Varane, Maguire, Reguilon
13.Dalot, Maguire, Lindelof, Reguilon
14.Dalot, Maguire, Lindelof, Shaw
15.AWB, Maguire, Lindelof, Shaw
16.AWB, Maguire, Shaw, Dalot
17.Dalot Maguire, Shaw, Reguilon
18.Dalot, Maguire, Varane, Shaw
19.Dalot, Evans, Varane, Shaw
20.AWB, Maguire, Evans, Dalot
21.AWB, Kambwala, Evans, Shaw
22.AWB, Varane, Evans, Dalot
23.Dalot, Varane, Martinez, Shaw
24.Dalot, Maguire, Martinez, Shaw
25.Dalot, Varane, Maguire, Shaw
26.Dalot, Varane, Maguire, Lindelof
27.Dalot, Lindelof, Varane, Amrabat
28.Dalot, Varane, Evans, Lindelof
29.Dalot, Lindelof, Varane, AWB
30.AWB, Maguire, Varane, Dalot
31.Dalot, Kambwala, Maguire, AWB
From RB, RCB, LCB, LB
This Doesn’t include times where injuries have caused backline to change in game. E.g Kambwala coming on at RB, or Bruno playing CB in FA cup vs Pool.
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That’s amazing.
posted on 8/4/24
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 24 minutes ago
Just seen this on Twitter, not fact checking it as I cba. But fck it.
Man Utd have started 31 different back lines in 43 matches this season:
1.AWB, Varane, Martinez, Shaw
2.AWB, Varane, Martinez, Dalot
3.AWB, Lindelof, Martinez, Dalot
4.Dalot, Lindelof, Martinez, Reguilon
5.AWB, Lindelof, Martinez, Reguilon
6.Dalot, Lindelof, Evans, Reguilon
7.AWB, Lindelof, Evans, Reguilon
8.Dalot, Varane, Maguire, Amrabat
9.Dalot, Varane, Lindelof, Amrabat
10.Dalot, Maguire, Evans, Lindelof
11.Dalot, Varane, Evans, Lindelof
12.Dalot, Varane, Maguire, Reguilon
13.Dalot, Maguire, Lindelof, Reguilon
14.Dalot, Maguire, Lindelof, Shaw
15.AWB, Maguire, Lindelof, Shaw
16.AWB, Maguire, Shaw, Dalot
17.Dalot Maguire, Shaw, Reguilon
18.Dalot, Maguire, Varane, Shaw
19.Dalot, Evans, Varane, Shaw
20.AWB, Maguire, Evans, Dalot
21.AWB, Kambwala, Evans, Shaw
22.AWB, Varane, Evans, Dalot
23.Dalot, Varane, Martinez, Shaw
24.Dalot, Maguire, Martinez, Shaw
25.Dalot, Varane, Maguire, Shaw
26.Dalot, Varane, Maguire, Lindelof
27.Dalot, Lindelof, Varane, Amrabat
28.Dalot, Varane, Evans, Lindelof
29.Dalot, Lindelof, Varane, AWB
30.AWB, Maguire, Varane, Dalot
31.Dalot, Kambwala, Maguire, AWB
From RB, RCB, LCB, LB
This Doesn’t include times where injuries have caused backline to change in game. E.g Kambwala coming on at RB, or Bruno playing CB in FA cup vs Pool.
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Mind boggling stuff!
posted on 8/4/24
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance of Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 4 hours, 12 minutes ago
Casemiro's post match interview with ESPN Brazil makes interesting reading. He makes no reference to his own abysmal form, maybe if he did it would highlight the very point everyone is making, he is big part of the issue. Maybe not fighting for honours means his heart is simply not in it, it shows! .
"It's difficult. This is the point that bothers me most about not fighting for titles," Casemiro told ESPN Brazil after Sunday's clash with Liverpool.
"Being 20 points behind first place. Sometimes, I can't even sleep to try to think about doing something different. It's reality. There's no point in thinking about title or Champions League places, we need to think about today's games."
"We need to think about the day to day, we had the opportunity to score nine points in the last few games and we scored two. We were upset. We have to think game by game and focus on the next match, against Bournemouth."
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Rubbish. The signs were there that he was in massive decline as soon as he put on a United shirt.
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That's why most REAL fans weren't too distraught to see him go. Real laughed all the way to the bank in fact!
posted on 8/4/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 hours, 41 minutes ago
RBW, I go back to my initial point: you are basically arguing that Casemiro's performance level is so bad that there's no justification for him being on the pitch and therefore it can't be down to injury. I'm saying if his performances don't justify being selected, it doesn't matter whether it's because he is being hampered by injury or it's laziness or that's the extent to which he can run these days.
As for the sarcastic comment about your match-going fan status, it wasn't a gratuitous barb. You made the point that you see more of the game than us because you're at the stadium, and that justified your diagnosis of Casemiro being lazy. Now, I know myself the difference in how much of the total picture we see when we're in the stands compared to watching on TV, as (believe it or not) I've attended many live matches over the years. So I can appreciate that you'll see more of Casemiro's off the ball work than I saw on Sky. What I dispute is that seeing him in the ground as opposed to on telly puts you in a superior position to judge why his movement is sluggish and his passing sloppy. So the opinion you hold that's based on observation live at the match seems to be the consensus view, while your assertion that it's a question of motivation, not physical issues, doesn't seem to be something that anyone could discern, either relying on the wide view or the close up.
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do you ever stop and read back the drivel that you compose sometimes?
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